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Welcome to this week's Tuesday Open Mike. I'm Mike and I'll be your master of ceremonies for the day.

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Al The Royal Pain

Played a great show this past Saturday just around the corner from my house (stumbling distance).

Her is some video of the evening:

https://youtu.be/cJECtrzZljw?list=PLkjJpntWWcXntFu9bD4wUBsCFoOTqypNT

March 17, 2015 @ 9:02 AM

Handsome Rob

As I drove to work this morning I looked at the price of gas, $1.03 which surprises me. From all I've heard or read, oil is currently at a surplus, and there's talk of record low costs per barrel. So why is gas still ridiculously overpriced and why aren't people screaming about it? Seems strange.

March 17, 2015 @ 9:51 AM

Cheryl

My Habs and Coyotes lost last night. My Habs are in a slump again. They better start winning lots again because they are going to win the cup. My Coyotes are hopeless. They keep losing. The Leafs lost, thank goodness. My Nets won but the Raptors had to win again as well. My Orioles finally won a game again and handily 16 to 4. My Orioles got 16 runs. That's a way to go.

March 17, 2015 @ 9:58 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Cheryl

You do realize we Leaf fans want to lose now, right?

You should be cheering for Leafs wins at this point.

March 17, 2015 @ 10:11 AM

Anonymous

Happy St. Paddy's Day!

March 17, 2015 @ 10:28 AM

Glen

@HandsomeRob


Look for gas prices to climb even higher when a carbon tax is implemented in Ontario in the spring provincial budget


That $1.03 will be $1.23 or $1.33 by this summer.


You didn't think we'd actually benefit from lower oil prices did you?

March 17, 2015 @ 10:35 AM

Jenkins

@Toronto Mike

I get the sense that there's multiple people posting as 'Cheryl' as of late. Her posts have become much more rambling than usual.

March 17, 2015 @ 10:42 AM

H

The only thing worse than the Leafs right now is the HNIC broadcasts. They are so bad, in my opinion.

March 17, 2015 @ 10:50 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I'm more than happy to completely skip a Leafs game these days, but for some reason my 13-year old still wants to watch. So I'll watch with him.

I watched about 30 minutes yesterday. It looked like an all-star game. Not because of all the "stars", but because there was no intensity, no defense... it was far less exciting than my son's house league.

I just want this season to end. Except for the Lightning game, because I'll be there with my daughter. For some reason, she's excited.

March 17, 2015 @ 10:55 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Jenkins

Nope... they're all her. She always uses the same email address and posts from the same IP address.

March 17, 2015 @ 10:57 AM

Handsome Rob

Wherever you post a comment from, Toronto Mike is watching you...... :/

LOL

March 17, 2015 @ 11:18 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Handsome Rob

Only when an impostor is suspected!

For St. Patrick's Day, here's St. Patrick's Cathedral in Dublin, taken by yours truly in 2012.

March 17, 2015 @ 11:25 AM

Irv

@Handsome Rob

The increase in gas prices in Ontario is because;

1. The falling Canadian dollar. The currency has fallen and all oil & gasoline prices are in US Dollars. As the dollar falls, our prices go up because the benchmark price is in US dollars. Same reason the iPhone 6S is gone up 200 bucks.

2. Spread between Brent and WTI benchmark prices. WTI (West Texas Intermediate) is the standard price of oil in North America. The province of Ontario is a net importer of oil & most of that comes from Saudi Arabia, The North Sea, Venezuela & Nigeria. These countries sell using the Brent benchmark. Brent is currently nearly 10$ a barrel more expensive than WTI. And when you import oil, you add a 8 dollar surcharge (shipping) per barrel.

Side note: WCS (Western Canadian Select) the benchmark for heavy oil sands oil was at about $37 bucks this morning.

March 17, 2015 @ 11:41 AM

Argie

@Irv
All of that factors into it but the main reason the price is now over a dollar at the pumps is because the oil companies have determined THAT is the price of gas today. As they change their mind, so goes the price of gas per litre. As usual, its all about supply and demand.

March 17, 2015 @ 12:03 PM

Argie

With the way the Leafs have played this year I haven't watched a lot of hockey but why does it seem like every time I've watch the pregame show/joke that Rogers gives is they have Wendel Clark on??? The guy was mediocre at best and has absolutely nothing to say. No insight, no humor, no stories. God, please tell me why they have him on!

Oh, and yes I said "mediocre at best."

March 17, 2015 @ 12:08 PM

Douglas

@Handsome Rob - Another key reason that gasoline prices are not going down, including in the U.S. now, with the current drops in oil prices is that there is effectively 100% of refining capacity in the U.S. Several refineries are shut down because of strikes. One of the largest refineries in California is down because of a large fire earlier this year. No matter how much oil gets pulled out of the ground, no matter how much gets shipped, if it cannot be refined, the price what does get refined goes up. The laws of supply and demand are about the only economic laws that ultimately hold in the real world.

In Canada, we do have a little bit of spare refining capacity. Virtually all of that spare capacity is at the Irving refinery in Saint John, New Brunswick, which currently refines mostly oil imported from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, oils that are priced to the higher Brent crude, not West Texas Intermediate.

Quick math: Canada is importing higher-priced Brent crude from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for gasoline and other petroleum products for eastern Canada. U$10/bbl more than WTI. Meanwhile, Alberta oil gets discounted U$10/bbl (or more) from WTI. The vast majority of Alberta oil has to go to the U.S. for refining. The U.S. does that value-added process, and sells American-refined product back to Canada. Now, think of how much better off all of Canada would be if we cut out importing oil on the east coast, having to send most of Alberta oil to the U.S. for them to refine it for us and sell it back to us at a profit...versus...having a pipeline to at least cut out the importing. Ultimately, we could have not just Billions, but Trillions of dollars solely for the benefit of Canadians, money to pay for our beloved government programs and maybe even pay off the debt that has accumulated in the past 50 years (it's not all the fault of the current government).

Refining? Some Canadian refineries were shut down years ago. The most recently opened refinery in North America came online in the 1980s. We can't even get a pipeline built in Canada. Look at the (mostly ignorant) objections to pipelines. Getting a dormant refinery back online would be fought in courts for years. Build a state-of-the-art one with modern technology for safety and efficiency? I doubt that will ever happen in our lifetimes.

Canada is a great country. We are a country of natural resources. That's what this planet has given us. We have the capability in so many ways to look after our national interests and not be dependent on any other country for our energy needs (see how well it's working for us now with the Americans having a "veto" over us?). We have the technology and ability to build the best, safest forms of moving any and all of our natural resources that we consume across our country. No, there is no 100% guaranteed safe way of doing anything, but we can be the best. Why shouldn't we?

Why am I so negative on this topic? Even years ago in university, I learned that, all too often, when Canada has had a chance to truly determine its own destiny and/or be great and a world leader at something, it has chosen not too. That's under both Liberal and Progressive Conservative governments. In my humble opinion, there are too many ignorant, if not outright stupid, people out there who unquestioningly support those who get personally richer by telling Canada that what we are doing is wrong.

March 17, 2015 @ 12:46 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Confirmed: Amber Gero will guest on episode 115 of my podcast to discuss diversity in Toronto radio.

March 17, 2015 @ 12:48 PM

Dawn Keibals

@ Irv & Douglas both some strong points to what you say.
BUT we the public in Canada have been getting SCREWED you know where for years.

When oil was $50.00 per barrel in January gas was about 90 cents a liter, March per barrel is $45.00 per barrel and gas is $1.04 per liter .

It is called PRICE FIXING by the oil companies CLEAR.It is also against the law,also very CLEAR.
The average blow Joe gets screwed again over and over.

The oil companies are full of bullshit reasons for increases but they are that bullshit.
Gas will be $1.30 per liter by July 1/2015 no mater what the price of a barrel is.
Called again PRICE FIXING and it is illegal.

March 17, 2015 @ 1:08 PM

h

RE: Oil prices

I cannot understand how competing brands change their price at the same time right to the minute!!! And...their prices are identical. Does that not suggest that they each know what the other is doing???

March 17, 2015 @ 1:12 PM

Anonymous

The Canadian version of Stasi is around the corner. I think I'll focus on beer.

March 17, 2015 @ 1:19 PM

Handsome Rob

Interesting explanations around the CDN $ vs US and the cost per barrel, etc etc. I would need to do some further reading to get a better understanding.

That's said, here are some basic numbers, haven't fact check, just did some quick googling so if I'm way off, I blame my parents...

October vs today:

$0.90 vs $0.73 against the US$. 20% decrease
$90 vs $43 a barrel. 52% decrease.
$1.24 vs $1.03 per litre gas price. 16% decrease.

Now I haven't built a mathematical equation to determine what the price should be based on the three criteria, but when you consider the massive drop in oil vs the much smaller drops in the dollar and price per litre, somethjng doesn't look right.

I know it's a very high level view, but still, Im calling shenanigans.

March 17, 2015 @ 1:31 PM

Irvine

@Dawn:

Crude & gasoline is sold in US dollars as is gold. When the C$ falls (which it has rapidly recently) the cost of gasoline & oil goes up because of the currency exchange. It's the same reason asparagus has gone up. Is there collusion with the asparagus farmers too? And why is it only collusion when gas prices go up? As for collusion, what you refer to as "big oil" (Exxon, Shell, etc) account for 19% of the energy industry. The other 81% is nationalized petroleum (Venezuela ,Russia, Mexico, even Norway). How does 19% of the industry collude to price fix?

@H. It's all about the inventory system used in Canada for petroleum and that gasoline prices change by the minute. The price of asparagus & fresh berries changes weekly at my grocery store. The market price is the market price.

@Rob.

I did the math for you. Gas at 1.24 with C$ at .90. Same litre of gas with dollar at .73 cents would make a litre of gas...*wait for it* $1.00. Taxes and crack spread likely make up for the minor difference.

Now. Oil at 90 bucks (same time frame as above) brought in gas at 1.24 cents a litre as you claim. Oil at $52 (not 42 as you claim as you buy the Brent benchmark). At $52.00 a barrel you'd have a price of .75 cents a litre. But, currency fluctuations add on about 21%. This leaves you with a price of $.92 cents. Factor in the a couple of pennies for the extra tax on the higher price and we'll get a price of .95 cents. For the record, right now gas prices in Ontario range from 89 cents to $1.29. Pretty wide spread for "collusion".

Is there a slight difference? Sure is & it's very likely that the refineries may tack on a few percentage points on cost to make some money. Refineries are labour & electricity top heavy.

If you want a real comparison, you take the spot price of gasoline futures, factor in the currency and your price per litre. The spread is insignificant.

March 17, 2015 @ 2:28 PM

Ben Vidal

Anyone seen the Jinx?

Thoughts on the whole Rob Durst admission(albeit while in the bathroom unknowingly)?

March 17, 2015 @ 2:45 PM

Handsome Rob

@Irvine

Yeah, it's been bothering me all day so I did some additional digging. The numbers make sense, unfortunately. I'd rather spend less on gas (enter Mike with a "why biking is awesome" post) than I currently do. Unfortunately that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

Along the way I've found some pretty interesting reads on gas and how prices are determined.

Thanks for the additional explanations and helping with the math. :)

March 17, 2015 @ 3:08 PM

Irvine

@Glen: Just for you I did a comparison of liquor store prices for specific products. The
hole in wall is tax/deposit in. The Open Late is taxes/deposit extra.

Big Rock Grasshopper Ale

LCBO - $14.50
Hole in wall - $13.75
Open Late store - $15.50


Absolut Vodka (standard)

LCBO - $26.95
Hole in Wall - $28.45
Open Late Store - $31.99


Corona *King Can*

LCBO - $2.40
Hole in Wall - $2.99
Open Late Store - $3.49

Mike's Hard Lime

LCBO - $9.95
Hole in Wall - $10.95
Open Late Store - $13.50


HOle in Wall = Small liquor store, small selection, indie
Open Late Store - Regional Liquor Store.

March 17, 2015 @ 3:11 PM

4x4 Time

Durst is an unbalanced whack job, but will have no worries. As the late lawyer Johnnie Cochrane would say - “A defendant is innocent, until proven broke…”

March 17, 2015 @ 4:06 PM

Bdot

do you think i should ask cheryl out?

March 17, 2015 @ 4:34 PM


5th Degree Black Belt

LOL @ 4X4 Time & Johnny Cochrane.
Wow. Moral of the story: Don't admit a crime to yourself while wearing a microphone.

March 17, 2015 @ 5:07 PM

Glen

@Irvine


A couple months ago The Toronto Star uncovered a secretive arrangement between the LCBO, Beer Store, and the Ontario government. The agreement states that the LCBO is forbidden to sell cases of 12 and 24 of beer . They could only sell 6 packs. Why a government would sign a deal like this that prevents it's OWN STORES from selling cases of 24 is beyond me. That's the reason I'm glad some changes are on the way. It's not perfect but I'll take it.

If only the provinces would eliminate the trade barriers preventing me from trying Alberta craft beers and you could sample our incredible Niagara wines. It's stupid that I can buy a beer made in Denver, Colorado but not Calgary, Alberta or St. Johns, NFD. And sad that no politician will make the economic case for liberalizing these laws and trade barriers.

March 17, 2015 @ 5:30 PM

Dawn Keibals

@ 4X4 Time
“A defendant is innocent, until proven broke…”

Classic and very sadly very true !!!

March 17, 2015 @ 6:19 PM

4x4 Time

I have no problem having to buy liquor and wine at the LCBO. Stores are close, clean and very friendly staff in the two I frequent the most.
Not really a beer drinker or frequent buyer but I think it would be civilized to offer Beer to consumers at Costco with low costs like they do in Quebec. Not sure if Costco sells beer in other provinces.

March 17, 2015 @ 6:44 PM

Anonymous

Reform Party MP Larry Miller suggests drinking Alberta beer with a very, very, very, very, very long straw. Or you could go back to where you came from. Famed aboriginal Larry Miller.

March 17, 2015 @ 8:32 PM

Handsome Rob

The idea of the NHL adopting the 3 on 3 OT looks like it's a done deal. Really hope they stick with the AHL model. Was fortunate enough to catch the Bulldog vs Marlie home opener which went to OT. After they switched to 3 on 3 after the first 4 minutes of OT, it was probably the most exciting end to end action I've seen in a game.

It creates in game excitement and minimizes (but doesn't exclude) shootouts. Make it so NHL.

March 17, 2015 @ 9:52 PM

Rick C in Oakville

As Irv posted above, I have found independent Liquor sales in Alberta more expensive than the cartels we have here in Ontario. Don't expect any huge savings when the government loosens the distribution of said product. It's a Canadain thing to be hosed for gas, booze and milk, local Mac's sells 4 litre jug of milk for $5.59, when bags are $3.99 at the same store. Go figure.

March 17, 2015 @ 9:56 PM

Irvine

@Glen

Yeah, I read about the backroom deal, but is that really surprising? Backroom deals are how things work with anyone with money & power. Believe me, if you could find the skeletons in the closet of the PC's or WR they'd put that shit to shame.

The LCBO can sell craft breweries from any province. The limiting factor is demand. For example, Revelstoke BC, population about 4000 has a micro. It's likely that hardly anyone in Ontario knows about it. The LCBO will get it for you if you ask them to order it though. And I buy Niagara Wine all the time as I buy Pelee Island wine all the time.

Glen I'm ALL for PRIVATE liquor. Trust me. But what I'm saying is that it's not the "fix" for all that you imagine. A whole bunch of these problems are just natural "market" issues. It's really hard to get Grizzly Paw beer from Canmore Alberta to Ontario..because there is no demand. And companies do need to move product to make money.

@Rick C. There is savings but it requires work and probably some travel. FYI, as far as milk goes, we don't have bags we have 4L jugs. I think they're 4 bucks but I'm not sure. I buy organic milk when I buy it. It's 5 dollars for 2L in a plastic jug.

If you want to see a real rip off in Western Canada, try the price of food. It's complete bullshit.

March 17, 2015 @ 11:38 PM

Elba

Are the Leafs losing on purpose? I'm asking seriously.

March 18, 2015 @ 8:24 AM

Al The Royal Pain

@Elba

Pro athletes never want to lose. They always play to win. Sometimes their heart just isn't in it. Just like if you're unhappy at work. You'll do your job...but maybe you just won't go that extra distance for your company.

The Leafs as an organization are being purposefully bad (now...before they were accidentally bad). All the decisions they're making are geared towards rebuilding, but they can't make the players want to lose. They're still playing for contracts, whether it's in Toronto or for other teams.

But if you saw your employer making decisions geared towards purposeful failure...it would be hard to get up for work every day, only to lose again and then also be mercilessly hammered by the media.

It's a toxic situation and as Edmonton has learned, not one that is easily turned around.

March 18, 2015 @ 10:14 AM

Bdot

Cheryl, would you like to go out and catch some sports on Big screen? Maybe the orioles or a Nets game.
Even better some curling?

Let me know

March 18, 2015 @ 10:18 AM

Cheryl

How about those Habs. Great win and PK Subban scores again. No Price in net though. Tokarski was in net last night. Habs are winning the cup this year. My Orioles lost though. It was 10 to 9, a slugfest, but they lost the game. Anyway, as for big screen, it wouldn't make any difference. I can't even see a big screen. Would rather listen to internet radio. Actually I think curling is pretty much done for the season. That is until the fall.

March 18, 2015 @ 10:38 AM

Anonymous

Bdot are you fucking around. Cheryl has said before she is basically blind. WTF

March 18, 2015 @ 12:09 PM

well then

And who is fighting the Islamic State today in Tikrit, Iraq? The Shiite militia and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Patrick J. Buchanan

March 18, 2015 @ 12:11 PM

Speysidephil

Another terrorist Islamist attack. 19 killed in Tunisia.
Ho hum!!

March 18, 2015 @ 1:10 PM

Douglas

@Dawn Keibals You are correct in a way. Despite numerous investigations by federal and provincial bodies over the years, there has yet to be a "guilty" verdict of price fixing in motor fuel retailing. Those that are out there are very competitive against each other. This is Canada, though: we really only have Petro Canada, Shell and Esso as national brands. Three. There are some provincial/regional brands (Chevron, Irving, Mohawk, Ultramar, to name some). I suppose you can stick Canadian Tire in there somewhere, too.

I think that, all things being equal, just about anywhere in the world, drivers will quickly go across the street or down the road for less expensive fuel. That's why we see prices move almost simultaneously. You can bet that whoever is running the register at any station has it in their job description to call their local/regional office and report if, when and by how much the station across the street has changed their price - and then gets authorization to match it, especially if it went down.

Motor fuel retailing is almost a monopoly. Almost, but not. When an industry is so concentrated in just a few hands, it is called an oligopoly. I'm more inclined to call this an OILigopoly. Most monopolies tend to be government regulated, at least in the developed/free world. Recall what it was like when there was effectively only one choice for telephone service: In 1980, it was $1.10 per minute to call in the day from Toronto to Vancouver, as low as 44¢ per minute if you waited until after 11:00 p.m. Now, take into account inflation over 35 years, and realize that it is possible to make those calls without incurring any long distance charges, or if not that, a few cents per minute. Or how about when you had a choice of over-the-air antenna or the local cable company for television reception? Need I go on.

What is really a lack of retail competition is what makes us all feel like we're being screwed by the oil and gasoline companies. Having said that, I remember my parents feeling the same way in the 1970s and 80s. Apart from far fewer brands selling gasoline, has much really changed?

March 18, 2015 @ 2:05 PM

bdot

I see, cheryl is playing hard to get :) I have the internet and radio.
We could watch some cricket underneath the stars.

March 18, 2015 @ 3:51 PM

Daniel

@Irvine

Well played sir! I was starting to write a response factoring in FX weakening counteracting the decrease in oil prices but it would not have been as well written as that...

The only thing I will say is that there is price fixing but it's not where you think. The price fixing happens with OPEC, but they only fix prices by restricting the supply of their oil to increase prices. Right now, in an effort to drive out all the junior O&G and shale guys in the US they are letting the market dicate the prices

As for at the pumps. I'd say that the pumps run more like perfect competition than an oligopoly. They are a large number of stations in one small geographic area selling an identical product with a margin they earn based on the risk of oil exploration. When one of them decreases prices they all have to or else they will have 0 business. When one increases they all realize that they can all earn slightly better margins so they all increase their prices until...one of them drops their price. So they all mirror each other

Gas is also based on what you can afford and are willing to pay for it. Here in South America Petrobras extracts and refines Brasilian oil, and then sells it in Uruguay for less then they sell it in Brasil. They do it because Uruguay is extremely poor and people aren't willing to pay gas prices that Brasilians will pay. So they get Brasilian gas cheaper than Brasilians do

Basically...its complicated. But you can't just put a "corruption" stamp on it and walk away...Well you can in the case of Petrobras but that's another story

March 18, 2015 @ 4:15 PM

Stephen

We don't need the Stasi in Canada:

Just weeks after one poll showed a convincing majority supported the Canadian government's sweeping new anti-terrorism law, a new survey suggests that support is dropping, and fast.

The Forum Research poll, provided exclusively to VICE, says support for the legislation now stands at 45 percent, with nearly the same amount opposed to the bill.

March 18, 2015 @ 5:14 PM

Tron

For all the people here who keep saying only a single group who does terrorism.

March 18, 2015 @ 6:04 PM

Tory Hill

Did your leg grow back yet private?

To many Canadians it probably appears that since Harper has come to power that we have slipped deeper and deeper into what the Superman comics dubbed Bizarro World. A Canada where the government does the opposite of everything you’d think a responsible government should do. Where Orwellian doublespeak has replaced facts, and where ideology has replaced data in policy making. A government that hastily drafts up anti-terror laws that intelligence experts emphasize won’t make us safer, and spends tens of millions on ads glorifying war, while it denies veterans services.

March 18, 2015 @ 7:03 PM

Anonymous

What's with the Sharks throwing Joe Thorton under the bus?

March 18, 2015 @ 7:09 PM

Anonymous

A bird watching group from S. Ontario urged the govt to restrict the use of pesticides in order to save the bees. Their reward? Charitable status audited.
What if C51 goes through? What type of organization will they be 'considered?'

March 18, 2015 @ 10:01 PM

Irvine

The Spirit of Radio Vancouver style. Coast 1040 AM

March 18, 2015 @ 11:02 PM

Cheryl

I am really blind and I am not joking about it either. Anyway, I couldn't see the big screen. It would make no difference to me. Radio explains the games better than the TV does. Anyway, my Nets lost and the Raptors won. My Orioles did win yesterday though and my Diamondbacks did win. I can't wait for opening day. I know I hated baseball before, but now it's good. It still can get slow though, but it's good. Listen to Joe Angel and Fred Manfra broadcast Orioles games and they make baseball not boring.

March 19, 2015 @ 7:27 AM

Argie

Daniel wrote: "Gas is also based on what you can afford and are willing to pay for it. Here in South America Petrobras extracts and refines Brasilian oil, and then sells it in Uruguay for less then they sell it in Brasil. They do it because Uruguay is extremely poor and people aren't willing to pay gas prices that Brasilians will pay. So they get Brasilian gas cheaper than Brasilians do"

That's pretty much what I've been saying. In Canada and the price at the pump is determined by what we'll pay for it. Sure, the price per barrel and fx are relevant but like almost everything else we buy and consume, our willingness to pay determines the price.

March 19, 2015 @ 8:37 AM

Lynne

@ Ben Vidal
Re: The Jinx - I have just finished the 2nd episode. However, I read about and listened to his "whisper in the bathroom" audio online.

Does it seem to you that Jarecki purposely held this audio back for quite a long time? Did it delay the police investigation? Do you think the airing of the series and the timing of his recent arrest are somehow a little too convenient? Clearly Durst is a "savant" serial killer of the highest order, one with a lot of money and family influence - which is a rarity. It seems to me that he has been wanting to get caught, and convicted, for decades. It's a big game to him.

@Anonymous
Re: The bird-watching audit (and many others that go against "Conservative" values, including Dying with Dignity), it sends a chill.

When C51 passes, and it will, can it be undone by the next government?

March 19, 2015 @ 8:42 AM

Mike from Lowville

@Lynne

"When C51 passes, and it will, can it be undone by the next government?"

Just about anything a past government has done can be undone but don't hold your breath. Can you say HST?

March 19, 2015 @ 1:06 PM

Irvine

@Argie

Subsidized gasoline is common in Latin & South America. I believe Brasil does it. Saudi does it too. In the end someone pays for it because the price is the price. And the person paying is likely the government. If you know anything about governments in South American, corrupt is systemic. You have to see it to grasp it. It is "un fucking believable"

March 19, 2015 @ 1:47 PM

Lynne

@ Mike from Lowville

Good point, and there are so many examples beyond the HST.

Possibly this major change to the Constitution will take such a long time to wind its way through the courts, the Harpercons will be long gone from majority rule by the time it is ultimately shot down.

March 19, 2015 @ 2:42 PM

Anonymous

Justin is in favour of Stasi 24/7 Bill C51 (supposedly according to his statement). NDP and Elizabeth May (Green Party) opposed.
Possibly an NDP/Liberal/Green coalition could undo it?
A Liberal minority that requires NDP support? That might be the ticket right there.


March 19, 2015 @ 10:55 PM

Lynne

@ Anonymous

I agree - a coalition is the ticket.

It frustrates me to no end that we have to deal with Liberals vs NDP at every election. It's vote splitting between the two parties that puts a Conservative government into power, leaving the views of the majority of Canadians (by raw vote count) voiced only by the opposition. (That is, if Harper will even let them voice their opinion.)

Anyway, it seems that the Liberals frequently take many of the NDP's ideas, put them into their own platforms and run with them. They may as well join up into one large party and be done with it. Of course, that is not likely to happen. I can dream though....

March 20, 2015 @ 7:51 AM

Argie

This province has almost been driven into bankruptcy thanks to the Liberal provincial government. Therefore, the last thing we need is a junior MP running this country.

The only thing to do is to re-elect Harper and the Conservatives. They aint perfect, but they aint the Liberals.

March 20, 2015 @ 8:40 AM

Anonymous

Lynne I hope to hell the Libs get a minority and need NDP propping up. The Conservatives have really screwed the economy while destroying the environment. All we need now is Harper deciding bird watchers deserve secret trials and secret prisons.

March 20, 2015 @ 9:54 AM

Lynne

@Anonymous
Me too. Though to be honest, in my perfect world the NDP need a little propping up by the Libs.

March 21, 2015 @ 9:38 AM

Anonymous

@ Lynne,
I don't like Justin or the Libs particularly and was only thinking practically in how to best rid ourselves of this blight. But perhaps Mulcair (pretend NDP) will do well in the debate(s).

March 21, 2015 @ 10:21 AM

Lynne

@ Anonymous
Mulcair is the most statesman-like (whatever that is...). His agenda re: urban funding and affordable daycare hit the nail on the head for me. Justin Trudeau has a lot to learn yet. He has foot-in-mouth disease. Truth be told, I dislike 95% of politicians at all levels of government. But we have to choose, don't we?

March 21, 2015 @ 11:08 AM

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