The Christmas Day Bargnani Fight

The Christmas Day Bargnani FightMy brothers and I ended up in the same room Tuesday as we met up at my mom's for Christmas dinner. Many topics were passionately discussed, but the one that caused the biggest uproar was Toronto Raptor Andrea Bargnani.

With an embedded photographer in the room, a great deal of this debate was captured. In a nutshell, my brother Ryan is somewhat blinded by the Fantasy Sports value of a player and gets that confused with the real-game value of a player. Apparently, he really likes Andrea Bargnani's numbers and considers him an asset. Meanwhile, Steve and I are ready to ship him out of town for a couple of basketballs and consider him an overrated disappointment.

Here's Ryan emphatically telling me Bargnani should yield a first round pick in a trade.

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Here's my brother Steve and I trying to decide which course of logic to follow first.

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As a courtesy, we heard him out, of course.

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At some point, Ryan compared Andrea Bargnani to Dirk Nowitzki. That's when I needed to sit down.

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This argument could go all night...

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To the computer!

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Conclusion: Bargnani is a nice pickup for your fantasy sports team, but if you have a real NBA team, you'll be better off when he's out of the lineup. Sorry, Ry.


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Mississauga Phil

Mike - Tell your brother that the only way Bargnani yeilds a 1st round pick is if there is a bomb set off at the all-star game this year.....

December 27, 2012 @ 12:55 PM

Argie

... or a young crazy loner with a semi automatic weapon..... Oops, too soon???

Bargnani is a talented scorer and could help a team that doesn't need a well rounder player. He could be used coming of the bench when a team is down and needs some points.

However, there's no way he can be a starter on a decent team - he simply can't or won't rebound or play defense. As for what he could yield in a trade, well it depends how desperate a team needs a guy like him for their playoff run. As we've seen in all pro sports, teams have overpaid in the past.

December 27, 2012 @ 2:14 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - yes..too soon. but you knew that already

December 27, 2012 @ 2:24 PM

Matt

I could see him yielding a first rounder in the 25-30 range.

December 27, 2012 @ 7:16 PM

Ryan

First of all I said he has a skill-set like Dirk but make a point of saying he will never be like Dirk and has a very poor basketball IQ. I also said he was too soft for a big man. But his outside shooting is an asset and with the correct guys around him we can win games. Numbers don't say everything but they do paint part of the picture.

December 27, 2012 @ 8:01 PM

Roy S.

I will have to agree with Ryan, Andrea is having a terrible year, but has still put up 16 PPG and 4.5 rbs. Yes the casual fans will not be impressed by his rebound totals but thats not what he is about, hes a stetch big that causes defensive mismatches and that can not be denied. Even when not on his game, he still is not a guy that other teams will leave open from outside. In reference to the Disco Dirk comparision, the offensive skills are slightly in Dirks favor, but Andrea will never be Dirk in reality. Ryan is on point with the estimate that if given the right cast around him (which is exactly what Cuban did for Dirk FYI), he can enjoy comparable achievments. Im not saying that Andrea has been a total sucess mind you, but by now we can see what he will be in the NBA, a solid shooter, and scorer. To state that you would trade him for "a couple of basketball", is foolish. In the salary cap world, a player that scores 16 PPG (on an off year) and commands a $10 million salary will have a place on most teams, however, if the right offer came around, it would be ignorant not to consider the incoming elements before making a move.

December 28, 2012 @ 10:42 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Roy S.

Our feeling is that Andrea would not start for a decent team. He's a bench player.

So long as he's starting, we'll never be a decent team.

December 28, 2012 @ 10:47 AM

elvis

The true test is would any team, including the Raptors, draft him #1 knowing what they know now?

I think not, therefore, he's garbage.

December 28, 2012 @ 12:31 PM

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@elvis

Admittedly, it was a weak draft year, but if your #1 overall isn't good enough to start for a decent team when he's 27 years old, you have yourself a bust.

December 28, 2012 @ 1:15 PM

Roy S.

I can understand the hesitation now knowing how the draft worked out, however, there was no clear cut number one pick from the available players that year, all of the hype was around the unbelievable season that the number three overall pick was having, the second pick was a stretch at the time but ended up being a great player for Portland.

The top five from that draft are as follows;

1 - Andrea Bargnani
2 - LaMarcus Aldridge
3 - Adam Morrison
4 - Tyrus Thomas
5 - Shelden Williams

The eventual rookie of the year from the draft came from the number 6 slot in Bradon Roy, so in hindsight, how can you argue that they made a bad pick?

Getting back to your last point @torontomike, is he good enough to start on a decent team, im sure the Lakers, Knicks, Nets, Bucks, Heat, Nuggets, or Spurs would gladly insert him into their power forward slot, as he will absolutley be able to stretch the floor for their guards.

Im my opinion, he was brought in as a complementary player for Bosh, and when he left, he unfairly had the franchise thrust upon his shoulders, with little suport around him, which is more of a blame to place upon managment, and the talent he was aligned with.

Now if you can put in place an all star caliber player (who may or may not already exist on the current roster), we can then see how this works out.

At the end of the day, if you expected him to be a class 1 superstar, its not going to happen, and you have to accept that fact.

No knock on Jose, Jack, or even Lowry, however, the Raps have been stagnant with their pick and role offence preference, and where does that leave an outside threat?

December 28, 2012 @ 3:03 PM

Ryan

Thanks Roy, all i was attempting to say was that he has skills and with more support he can help us to win. He is not going to ever be "the guy" but he has too much talent to sell him for a couple of basketballs. Let's set him up with some skilled players and let's stay healthy and wins will start to come... Do I ever lie?? He needs to improve on D, he is too soft for a BIG MAN, but he is a top 10 forward in the NBA as far as stretching out the D of the opposing team. Give the guys some credit Mike. Some credit......

December 28, 2012 @ 3:07 PM

Sammy

He is lazy on most nights...and takes bad perimeter shots rather than attack the net.

December 28, 2012 @ 3:37 PM

Stephanie

Michelle does an awesome photo-bomb!

December 28, 2012 @ 9:18 PM

Matt

@Mike

He's not a bust. No doubt he didn't live up to expectations but he is still a serviceable player.

December 28, 2012 @ 9:43 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Not a complete bust, but we're a better team without him in the lineup.

December 28, 2012 @ 10:27 PM

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