End of July Open Mike

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Mississauga Phil

Went fishing in Orillia on Sunday with my son and some friends. One of my friends was reeling in a (smallish) fish,and a bird literally swooped down and plucked it out of the water on her...my son proceeded to run down the dock yelling after the bird "bring back our fishy"

Random adventures are fun!

July 30, 2013 @ 9:39 AM

Kevin

There was no need to shoot that kid 9 times....

July 30, 2013 @ 9:43 AM

Argie

At this stage of the game, 9 shots is very excessive. I doubt the cop would be that bad a of a shot that it would take 9 rounds. Hopefully, some useful facts come out of the investigation.

On the other hand I have a real problem with punks who harass innocent people in public, especially if they're carrying a knife and showing their Johnson to everyone.

I just hope we never see another incident like this where cops have to deal with an eff-ed punk. Cops are human - they screw up and sometimes can't handle a tense situation.

July 30, 2013 @ 9:55 AM

ABS

The fact is he was wielding a knife on a streetcar.

Yes, he's a punk, he deserves to be charged, but did he deserve to die?

I say no.

July 30, 2013 @ 9:57 AM

Declan

New footage of shooting:

July 30, 2013 @ 10:00 AM

markosaar

He'd already decided to use lethal force. I think people are a bit too hung up on the exact number of shots.

An officer would tell you that there was imminent danger. A man wielding a knife and not complying is dangerous. If the officer had not fired, and the kid slashed his partner, that officer would have been suspended and potentially discharged from the force.

All that said, we're used to officers using non-lethal methods these days. Not sure why that particular officer decided to fire so soon after arrival. My peace-officer acquaintances/friends have insisted he did nothing wrong, but aren't really big on talking about it.

July 30, 2013 @ 10:59 AM

Declan

Was there imminent danger?

July 30, 2013 @ 11:01 AM

Derrick

Why did Sammy Yatim have a knife on him? Why did he order everyone off of the streetcar? What was his motivation?

Why didn't the police just contain Sammy on the streetcar until he calmed down? Why didn't they taser him first? What did he say or do before we was shot?

There are too many questions about what happened but the police in this instance are not getting the benefit of the doubt from most members of the public. That is a big issue.

July 30, 2013 @ 11:15 AM

markosaar

Declan: he was threatening a person (an officer in this particular case, still a person), and not complying. To them, that's imminent danger.

Obviously to the rest of us it's a matter of opinion. But most of us don't have to confront an unhinged person wielding a knife for our jobs, so I'm a little bit biased toward the police on that one.

I agree that it looks bad, but I don't feel like I'm in a position to judge. I really want to see what all the investigations turn up, but I feel the fact that the officer has been suspended seems to indicate he probably did not behave as he was expected to.

July 30, 2013 @ 11:39 AM

Speysidephil

Trial by you tube and smart phones.
This certainly is a screwed up world.

July 30, 2013 @ 11:54 AM

Mississauga Phil

The man in question was threatening innocent people. The cop did the right thing (9 bullets might be excessive). The moment this idiot kills 1 person we've now doubled the necessary body count of this incident.

Let that be a lesson, if you threaten innocent people with violence, and can not be reasoned with, you run the risk of being taken out.

I applaud this officer, he prevented anyone else from getting hurt...

July 30, 2013 @ 11:57 AM

markosaar

Speysidephil: isn't this more democratic? At least now there's more than "the official version".

Also what the fuck? What about the officer being the judge, jury and executioner of that kid? How is that not even more fucked up?

No one here is even putting the officer under trial -- just asking questions.

July 30, 2013 @ 11:59 AM

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@Speysidephil

This isn't a trial. This is a discussion.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:04 PM

Speysidephil

@markosaar

I agree no one here is, but they sure as hell were at the protest last night.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:07 PM

Wayner

My 14 year old after watching the demonstrations/marching/yelling:

"why can't everyone just wait until all the facts are out?"

kids...

July 30, 2013 @ 12:10 PM

Anonymous

''A man wielding a knife and not complying is dangerous. If the officer had not fired, and the kid slashed his partner, that officer would have been suspended and potentially discharged from the force.''

Killing to save your job is reasoning only a psycopath could relate to, Markosaar.

This was murder. A youth on an empty streetcar is not an imminent threat to seven armed officers wearing stabproof/bullet proof vests. Close the doors, monitor the situation, bring in a mental health professional or a trained negotiator.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:11 PM

Anonymous

Thanks Argie for your input. Being armed with a knife and showing people your junk are 'slightly' different, just so you know.

Why are right-wing nutters always obsessed with sex?

In the US, right wing conservatives can't talk about equal marriage rights for gays without bringing up beastiality. Honestly, how fucked up can you get.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:18 PM

markosaar

@Anonymous: The police officer was probably/possibly following his training. I didn't say he did it "to save his job", he did it because that's what he thought he was supposed to do. But strawman away.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:24 PM

Irvine

I'll predicate by saying I own guns. I have the legal right to own rifles & hand guns. I joined a gun club in 2008 & practice on a regular basis. For the record I'm not a proponent of wide open "right to arms" like in the United States constitution.

One requirement of being a police officer is the ability to properly care for & fire their weapon. One facet of this "proper use of a firearm" is to have the ability to aim & fire the weapon with a good level of accuracy. Police officers undergo firearms training & to my knowledge, all beat level cops from the constable rank on up are required to maintain a decent level of firearms maintenance & shooting accuracy.

Line of sight looks to be quite clear. There is backlight behind the suspect making it easy to see him (light behind = good, light out front = bad). The distance can't be more than 20 feet. The suspect was allegedly carrying a pocket knife (3inch blade). The weather is clear & there appears to be little wind. You need 9 shots to take down a marginal threat?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:36 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Anonymous - The reports do say he was flashing his genitals at the women on the bus when he first pulled the knife out.

This is an example of people sympathizing with the criminal. THe officer in question may (probably did) overreact to the situation, but if this idiot hadn't been doing what he was doing, everyone would have ridden the streetcar to their destination, gone home, and this story would not exist.

At the end of the day, pull a knife on a crowded streetcar and you may get shot. Better this idiot get killed then him kill someone else.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:36 PM

Irvine

@Anonymous

The use of deadly force by anyone in the business of public protection/security is always a last resort. The only place where it's "weapons free" is for the rank & file in the Canadian military in training / actual combat.

Now, a cop is trained to neutralize a threat. Their first concern is their own protect, then that of others.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:43 PM

Irvine

Get real Phil. If you had access to crime reports you'd find public indecency/flashing is all too common. It rarely ends with the perp going down in a volley of 190 grain slugs.

There was no need to that many shots. When a bullet is fired from a gun it heats up (literally red hot). It's not the penetration of the human flesh that kills a person. It's the heat & the bullet fragmenting that do most of the damage. It cauterizes the flesh (literally burning it). The result is sudden shock to the body.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:49 PM

Matt

@MississaugaPhil 12:36 Agreed.

Whenever a story like this comes out there sure are a lot of armchair cops that come out of the woodwork. Lets wait until we get the facts.

July 30, 2013 @ 12:59 PM

Ben Vidal

I'm not down playing this situation at all. It's terrible no matter how you look at it. I also believe the backlash from the public probably will continue. The only thing I'm glad about and I use glad lightly is that the color of the skin didn't match that of Trayvon Martin. Can you imagine what this would be like right now if it had?

Of course there so many arm chair cops out there and apologists who know how that situation should have gone down. Fact of the matter is you can't know until you are in that situation. People handle situations differently all the time and most of the time not in the right manner. How many people have had their boss or coworker lose it on a situation or handle something poorly. How about on the road a car cuts you off and you react poorly to it. I know these guys are trained to handle situations, but clearly this situation leaves people being suspect.

I think we are also losing sight of the fact of all the other situations cops have to deal with where they don't use a fire arm. Where they restrain themselves to the point where they should have pulled and fired a lot sooner in a situation. Terrible situation. YES. Common occurrence. NO

There are 8 other cops that were witness to the whole thing, either they will lie like rats to protect a colleague if something was done wrong. Or they will tell the truth and guilt or innocence can be given based on that.

July 30, 2013 @ 1:11 PM

Corey

I think this episode warrant discussion and examination certainly, but I don't like the tendency to immediately paint all cops with the same brush here. Bottom line, cops are human. This one (probably) reacted badly to the situation. Doesn't mean every one would react similarly.

I will say that as far as cops shooting people, yes they are trained for accuracy, etc. but there is a huge difference between training and a real, life and death situation. Studies of major US cities like NYC and LA conducted over several years peg the average cops accuracy in a situation where the target is not firing back at around 35%. When the target is firing back, the accuracy drops to about 18%. Adrenaline, lighting, the model of firearm itself, and dozens of more factors affect accuracy to an extent we can't appreciate. These numbers only help convince me that your average citizen who wants to carry a concealed weapon and "stop the bad guy" if given the chance is a recipe for disaster. If trained police officers are that bad, how much worse is Joe Sixpack going to be when he unloads?

July 30, 2013 @ 1:19 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Irvine - He didn't get shot for whipping his willy out, he got shot because he was armed and a danger to innocents around him.

Again, don't want to get shot? ....don't pull a knife on a crowded bus.

July 30, 2013 @ 1:22 PM

Mississauga Phil

I'm not saying the cop didn't overreact, far from it, all I'm saying is I'm more concerned about the lives of this guys potential victims than I am over his....

July 30, 2013 @ 1:26 PM

Glen

on a lighter note.......


Mike, has your brother conceded the Blue Jays making the playoffs bet?


If so I have a suggestion. Make it double or nothing on the Jays making the playoffs in 2014.

I think your money will be safe.

July 30, 2013 @ 1:50 PM

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@Glen

Yes, Ryan has conceded... but it took him a long time to see how horrible this team is. He now admits the Jays won't actually be playing playoff games in 2013.

I'll make him that double or nothing offer. Great idea.

July 30, 2013 @ 2:58 PM

Mississauga Phil

Or get him to bet you on the Leafs season.....

July 30, 2013 @ 3:06 PM

Irvine

Phil

While the suspect would obviously be a threat to "people on the streetcar" if you watch the video there are no people on the streetcar. The suspect is still inside the streetcar when shot & not even on the stairs. That's not a suspect who is charging someone or resisting arrest.

@Corey: Your comment "but there is a huge difference between training and real life and death situation" has no merit in this debate. Is that supposed to be an excuse Corey? A group of police can't safely disarm a 110 pound kid with a pocket knife? My god, I'd hate to imagine what happens when cops raid 81 (or any bike gang for that matter). Training, in all facets of policing, is developed & shared between forces to adequately deal with situations.

Did they attempt to talk & negotiate? Did they even attempt to find the name of this suspect? With a name you can run it through CPIC or do a Person Name/CNI/CRS query. It would have at least given them some understanding of who the suspect is. Police react differently to "Joe Blow - no criminal record" compared to say "Larry Amero, Hells Angels".

As for your claim about gun accuracy, I made it clear I'm a gun owner & I practice regularly. The conditions during the discharge of this firearm seem to be in the favour of the shooter. The vehicle is stopped. There is adequate lighting. There appears to be little wind. The target is in clear view with limited movement. Police are issues high quality firearms and required to keep those weapons clean & in good working order.

And finally, why the taser after the shots?

July 30, 2013 @ 3:08 PM

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@Mississauga Phil

No way... I believe the Leafs will make the playoffs this season.

July 30, 2013 @ 3:09 PM

Jillian

Hey Mike a question for you...what topics on your blog attract the most comments? Family/current events/radio? Are you surprised by what people are interested in?

Which blog entry has the most comments so far?

(I'm already tired of people talking about the boy on the streetcar)

July 30, 2013 @ 3:27 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Again, not saying the cop was right, I'm just tired of people acting like this kid is the victim...he pulled a knife on a crowded bus and put people who he didn't even know and couldn't possibly have any grievance with at risk. Better him dead than someone else...

@ Mike - yes, but does your brother think they will???

July 30, 2013 @ 3:30 PM

4x4 Time

Yesterday, I shot an 85 at Copetown Woods off the Blue Tees. My goal this year is to shoot 84 and I was almost there. May not sound like a big deal to others, but for me, it felt like I almost won the Canadian Open!

July 30, 2013 @ 3:34 PM

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@Jillian

Entries about Radio always get lots of comments. The one last week about Todd Shapiro, for example.

Entries about the family and personal stuff always get the least comments.

The most comments appear on My Prima Television Nightmare.

Nothing surprises me anymore...

July 30, 2013 @ 3:35 PM

4x4 Time

For those old enough to remember I was told today that Louis Jannetta the maitreā€™d during the grand old days of the Imperial Room at the Royal York passed this week. Had some fun nights there and Jannetta was a big presence in Toronto.

July 30, 2013 @ 3:51 PM

Argie

@ Phil - You mean Irvine instead of me, right?

I'm still on the fence on this whole thing. Yes, he was a punk but 9 shots??? Like I wrote earlier, lets see what the facts are AFTER the investigation before we decide.

July 30, 2013 @ 4:07 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Arige- Sorry dude, completely meant to direct that at Irvine..

And yes, lets wait for the facts.

July 30, 2013 @ 4:11 PM

Corey

@irvine - ugh. And so it begins. I'm not making excuses for anyone, you dense chimp. Fromwhat Ive seen and read up to this point, I don't believe the use of deadly force was warranted in this case at all. Raids are carefully planned, choreographed, and executed typically include specialized tactical units. For all we know, the shooter in this case was a rookie patrol grunt. Big difference. God, I forgot your talent for bringing any discussion down to an adversarial attack. Hopefully you can convince someone else to employ you soon and restrict your participation here.

July 30, 2013 @ 4:39 PM

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Hello friends,

Does anyone have an interesting / funny story they'd like to share via Skype or phone? I'd record it and share it, but you can be credited by whatever name you're comfortable with.

Who has a story they'd like to share?

July 30, 2013 @ 5:25 PM

Icarus


How do you know he was a punk Argie? He was much more likely having a mental breakdown.

What a cheap shot, insulting a murdered youth.

July 30, 2013 @ 5:34 PM

Irvine

@Phil

9 shots & then a taser for a 110 pound kid with a 3 inch pocket knife who was NOT charging or in close proximity to officers?

The bigger discussion that needs to happen is if beat cops should be acting as social workers and having to deal with people who are emotionally unfit. Do they have adequate resources to handle people who are not mentally well or under the influence of hard drugs (often cut with chemicals)

@Corey

The only reason you see my comments as adversarial Corey is because you don't agree with my comments. I've witnessed your almost "fetish" level of interest in me. Anyone & everyone on this forum that isn't a regular name that disagrees with someone is me using an alias. You did that several weeks ago.

As for your comment on me "someone employing me". I am employed Corey just at this moment my workload was lightened to give me the time to complete a set of advanced technical courses pertinent to what I do. Rest assured there CIVILIAN you've no idea what I do. But if you'd like to contact me & find out, please ask the moderator for my email.

July 30, 2013 @ 5:34 PM

Speysidephil

@Irvine

You are too full of yourself.
Bring it down a notch and maybe we would be more understanding, but I doubt it.

July 30, 2013 @ 6:07 PM

Irvine

Question: do Toronto police carry SIG Sauer P229/226's? What model handgun is used?

July 30, 2013 @ 6:12 PM

dale

Thanks again for the shoes Mike will be a perfect fit.

See you tomorrow.

July 30, 2013 @ 6:23 PM

Corey

@ Irv - I believe the Toronto Police carry Glock 17's. If they employ the same policy as NYPD, they also modify them so the trigger pull is 12 pounds, instead of the unmodified 5-6 pounds, which, since you're an amazing gun expert, you must know would also contribute heavily to cops accuracy problems.

And if you take a second, you'd notice I didn't actually disagree with most of what you wrote, but you still lashed out like a little bitch. I'm hardly the only one on this board that has a problem with your passive aggressive style. You weren't exactly missed, "slick".

July 30, 2013 @ 7:16 PM

Rick C in Oakville

What I don't understand is why a Senior officer needs to have the taser and not the front line cops. We trust them with a gun, why not the taser. Sure both can be fatal but the perp stands a chance to see his day in court. 9 shots seems excessive, if I was cop Metro would be the last place I would want to be. I'd pick me a nice quiet GTA suburb to ride out my career without the scrutiny they receive in TO.

July 30, 2013 @ 8:41 PM

Irvine

Why would I know what Toronto cops carry? I don't work with city or regional police forces Corey. Care to email me directly and discuss this dude?

July 30, 2013 @ 8:46 PM

Corey

@Irv - I didn't expect you to know. You asked a question, I answered. Isn't that how things work in your world?

For the last time, I'm not interested in emailing you, or being your Facebook friend or even following you on Twitter. Your invitations are flattering - I'm suspecting it would only end in you pulling an "Anthony Weiner". Pass.

July 30, 2013 @ 9:20 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Going to take a different tacked since no one mentioned the bi-elections happening this week. Wish my riding was up for the election this week. Please punish the Liberals (PC or NDP won't make much of a difference) and let them know their under handed method of running the province's days are numbered. How Wynne can deny she didn't know anything was afoot with the gas plants just makes me feel like ripping the few hairs left on my head out. After Thursday they may prove we are as stupid as we look by giving them the nod again.

July 30, 2013 @ 9:59 PM

Lorne

I hate it when radio stations change format. For as long as I could remember, 88.1 had a steady and reliable playlist. No matter what time of the day, if I needed my fix of Never Gonna Give You Up, I could tune in and excepting the occasional station identification, boom, there it was.

Now I hear that just like ever other radioclone on the dial, they're changing formats. They're playing something stupid like a "variety" of music. Lame, just doing what everyone else is doing. What sell outs, not caring about their core fanbase of Rick Astley fans. Sure we may not be the largest demographic, but we're loyal. I gue$$ there'$ only one thing they care$ about.

At midnight tonight (July 30), they're throwing the switch and changing the format. I swear terrestrial radio will be dead to me, just like it's always been whenever something changes in a way I don't like. I guess I'll just have to listen only to my 16mb Rio (just enough space for a high quality mp3 of Never Gonna Give You Up), set to loop.

You all enjoy your variety of new and interesting music. =(

July 30, 2013 @ 10:05 PM

Speysidephil

@Rick C

PC or NDP won't make much of a difference, so you would actually vote for the Green Party?
I actually think some of the PC's running in the by-elections will be pretty good, particularly Doug Holyday.
Granted cant be any worse than the trash we have put up with the last few years.

July 30, 2013 @ 10:12 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Hear you Lorne, loaded up my Ipod with music and podcasts, to while away the driving time. Not sure if I want to invest in satellite at this point, the odd time I've had a rental with it, it's a novelty, but again on a loop of sorts, so it gets repetative.
Funny "Indie 88" picked Rick Astley for the test run, why not Sheep Dogs, or some Canadian Indie bands. But you nailed it, they will only be Indie in name, format will echo what is on the rest of the dial.
For the fans of H&F when Kelly Catrera was on their podcast, heard her today on with Bill Carroll on AM640 doing something similar to the news she did with H&F.

July 30, 2013 @ 10:13 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Speyside: Yes, I would only vote Green if it would upset the Liberal chances and the other candidates were not in the running. Hoping Holyday rubs Milczyns nose in it, he probably is some po'd that the Tories were able to swing Holyday, into what looked like a Liberal sure bet.

July 30, 2013 @ 10:19 PM

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I'm just wondering what Rick Astley's royalty cheque will be like from this stunt!

July 30, 2013 @ 10:39 PM

Lorne

@Rick C: I think Indie 88's programming will mainly be a loop of the sound effect of the joke passing overhead. :|

July 30, 2013 @ 10:54 PM

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@ Lorne

I thought it was a clever joke.

July 30, 2013 @ 10:56 PM

markosaar

Lorne: loved it.

re: people talking about Toronto Police handguns, this article claims they're designed for reliability, not accuracy:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/a-knife-wielding-teenager-and-standard-police-training/article13486676/?cmpid=rss1#dashboard/follows/

Even at 6' and less they hit their mark less than 50% of the time.

July 30, 2013 @ 11:48 PM

Irvine

Not, not at all Corey. I was interested in your theories on the sudden influx of illegal central American drug dealers in the DTES in Vancouver. Cause? Or maybe you should thank your God that some people in life put their life on the line to ensure YOUR life (and that of your children) is peaceful and normal. #armchaircivilian

July 31, 2013 @ 1:04 AM

Cheryl

This is it. Radio has sure changed. Everything is the same now. I just listen to all my MP3s instead and I can listen to what I want to listen to. The Leafs won't make the playoffs. My Habs and Coyotes are going to be in the final.

July 31, 2013 @ 10:43 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Cheryl - What is the basis of that opinion???...the strong play (or lack there of)of both the Habs and Coyotes last season. I will bet you anything you'd like that the 2014 Stanley Cup final will not be the Habs and Coyotes.

Please join the rest of us in reality.....

July 31, 2013 @ 11:17 AM

Argie

Apparently there's talk of a "gay protest" of the upcoming Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia. Gay activists and their yappy lapdogs, the mainstream media are all a buzz about getting gay athletes to boycott the games over Russia's recently imposed anti-gay laws.

Um, this one is obvious folks..............so much for men's figure skating. Too bad, really, I was looking forward to seeing the latest sequin designs.

July 31, 2013 @ 11:29 AM

Corey

@ Irvy

Meh - I don't have kids,so as long as I make it through, I'm good.

Your not so subtle hints about everything from the nature of your work, to affiliation with Anonymous, to your selfless acts of charity are not only tiresome, they scream, "Recognize me! Admire me! Validate me!". I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you. #thisisnttwitter

July 31, 2013 @ 11:34 AM

Gump

I was in a conference call so I missed it... what was the 1st song on Indie 88.1?

BYW - it was tough deciding which car radio pre-set had to be deleted to make room for 88.1. So goodbye 107.9!

July 31, 2013 @ 12:22 PM

Speysidephil

@Argie
SO FUNNY!!

@Corey

It's all about Irvy!!

July 31, 2013 @ 12:35 PM

Lorne

@Gump The website doesn't have "What's been played" link, so I'm wondering too.

I put 88.1 on my second row of presets, right next to 106.5 "the weird station" (I don't think that's their actual call sign). I can understand your getting rid of 107.9, though. You still have 94.5 and 97.7-- and 107.9 just broke up the only morning radio team I could stand. Boo on them.

July 31, 2013 @ 12:58 PM

the lemur

Ford is right on the mark. Over the past ten years, the Ontario Liberals have found countless ways - taxes, ecofees, envirolevies, stewardship fees,surcharges, etc...- to fleece us of what little disposable income we have left after the usual income taxes and HST. Ontario's real working families - not that make-believe front group - can't afford much more of the McGuinty-Wynne Liberals. Two things have to happen in quick succession to end the larcenous Liberal reign at Queen's Park. First,there must be a total rout of the Liberals in tomorrow's by-elections. Second, the PCs need to choose a new leader - preferably one who is telegenic and has an iota of charisma. If the PCs can persuade Tim to take the proverbial long walk in the snow and replace him with someone even remotely appealing, we can bring the nightmare at Queen's Park to an end. Our wallets, purses and bank accounts will be all the better for it. Reply

July 31, 2013 @ 2:59 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ The Lemur - Dead on in regards to the Libs....can't wait to have those crooks out of office.

July 31, 2013 @ 3:15 PM

Argie

@ the lemur
I agree with everything you say but who do you suggest should lead the PCs? Please don't say John Tory.

July 31, 2013 @ 3:44 PM

Irvine

LOL, actually you're wrong Corey. As I explained before, I simply enjoy trolling you. I say anything and everything solely to piss you off.

YOU LAP IT UP.

While I was helping people in a flood you accused every unknown person on this forum who disagreed or challenged you as being me. Why even other posters commented on your infatuation. When confronted you try to lay the blame on me. LOL

In the hacking world we call it pwn3d. TROLOLOL. Motherfucker you aren't even in my league dude. Go back to school or SOWNY old man.

July 31, 2013 @ 9:09 PM

Mississauga Phil

@Argie-Anyone but Tory. Hudak just comes off as a weasel....I'm not sure who the candidate is, but I can't take anymore of this shit from the Libs...

July 31, 2013 @ 11:09 PM

Mississauga Phil

@Argie-Anyone but Tory. Hudak just comes off as a weasel....I'm not sure who the candidate is, but I can't take anymore of this shit from the Libs...

July 31, 2013 @ 11:10 PM

Corey

@ Irv

"As I explained before, I simply enjoy trolling you. I say anything and everything solely to piss you off."

I like it when you get to the point where you're driven to reveal your true nature - an antisocial loser who's pleasure comes from taunting exchanges with people over the internet.

Dave Williams got banned from this site for as much. I wonder why Mike keeps you around?

August 1, 2013 @ 6:47 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - I seem to recall you bashing me constantly for rising to Dave's bait.....hypocrisy much??

August 1, 2013 @ 8:10 AM

Argie

@ Corey
My thoughts exactly.

Irv is one of two things: He's either an expert troll as he proclaimed in his last post and his entire strategy is to provoke without any care for the debate at hand. OR, he could just be really bad at debating and when he loses the argument, he resorts to claiming he was just trying "to get to you." Either way, its sad.


August 1, 2013 @ 8:27 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: Not that I'm on Irv's side. The main difference between him and Dave Williams was Dave's fascination with attacking Phil about smoking pot. That and he made ludicrous right wing statements all the time to troll.

Irv's position, while condescending isn't a one trick pony.

@ Phil & Argie: Even if the Tories sweep these by-elections it won't really matter. It'll prove that the NDP are too weak to win any seats. The end result will be the NDP propping up the Liberals to prevent an election that won't change their fortunes. Oh what a tangled web we weave.

August 1, 2013 @ 9:23 AM

Argie

@Ben

I respectfully disagree. Irv is actually worse than Dave W. He's a dick to anyone who disagrees with him (and even to some who actually agree with him).

Dave went after Phil's pot use because Phil gave him the ammunition. I remember one comment Phil made when he claimed "smoking weed a couple times a week is not chronic". Well, actually it is but what Phil or anyone does in their home is none of my business.

August 1, 2013 @ 9:32 AM

Mississaug Phil

@ Argie - (no anger here at all I swear) A chronic is someone who smokes multiple joints a day....believe it or not, there are people who go through more pot in a day than I do in a month..

However, I'm not looking to spark that debate again. I was simply pointing out that Corey used to get on my case about fighting with Dave, and he does the exact same thing with Irv....what is the difference between the 2?

August 1, 2013 @ 9:40 AM

Argie

@ Phil
I suppose the word "chronic" has a broad definition so I agree, there's no point debating this one.

I know its Mike's blog but I don't see any difference between what Dave did and what Irv is doing.

August 1, 2013 @ 9:46 AM

Corey

@Phil -

There is a difference. Yeah, I'll reply to Irvine when he directly addresses me. If he doesn't respond to my reply I couldn't care less. I just noticed that with you and Dave, if he didn't reply to you, you'd continue to egg him on, waiting for him to respond.

August 1, 2013 @ 9:57 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: It wasn't just Phil Dave went after. I tussled with him. Mike himself tussled with him. He insulted people then when they countered he just blanketed it with a statement they were a bully. He would never address counter points. Mike even had to ask if Dave was an idiot on purpose or a Troll.

August 1, 2013 @ 10:23 AM

the lemur

People of Ontario have to stand together against corruption. This is a perfect opportunity to speak for a better future by voting out the corrupted Liberals. All seats should be taken away from the Liberals and when the general election comes, the rest of the Liberals should be done in the same way.

August 1, 2013 @ 10:35 AM

Mississaug Phil

@ Arige - A chronic is to pot smoking as an Alcoholic is to drinking.

I see a difference between Dave and Irv, however, I also understand that I'm not exactly impartial when it comes to that.

August 1, 2013 @ 10:40 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Dave Williams is currently trolling and ruining the comments at blogto.com

August 1, 2013 @ 10:54 AM

Corey

@Argie re: your 08:27 comment - I think we both know which assessment is the correct one. :)

August 1, 2013 @ 11:16 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Mike: What name is he going under this time?

August 1, 2013 @ 11:35 AM

Mississaug Phil

@ Cory - Only when he directly addresses you??? Really?

40ozKrew made a comment, not directed at you, and you went off on a tangent...and he wasn't even Irvine.....

August 1, 2013 @ 2:11 PM

Cheryl

Well, next year will be different. The Habs and Coyotes will be in the hockey finals. That will be a good thing. Anyway, started using the new system at work. I had training on Tuesday. Yesterday was my first day on it. I'm slowly getting used to it, but it's a lot different. Eventually I'll be just editin reports as doctors will be profiled and there will be voice recognition. It's a scary world for sure.

August 1, 2013 @ 5:05 PM

Corey

@Phil -

*sigh* No, Phil. I don't recall ever responding to 40oz. It was you who suspected that was Irv, remember? Allow me to refresh your memory.

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Mississauga Phil
May 31, 2013 / 09:37

@ Argie - I went back and read a few old Irv posts, and yu're right 40oz Krew sure sounds like him...
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I merely pointed out (after reading your comment) that Irvine had never stopped lurking, and occasionally posted under fake names. Never even said 40oz was him. Not sure how that was a "tangent", since you began it.

Shall we continue?

August 1, 2013 @ 5:22 PM

James

Ladies and gentlemen...there are realists, there's the pragmatic, there are cynics, there are angry pajamas...and then there's Mississauga Phil. Take a bow, friend; I sincerely hope that black cloud stops following you around someday.

August 1, 2013 @ 6:26 PM

That Girl

@Gump - I dropped 107.9 as well - I debated between that and 107.1

So far I've enjoyed 88.1, and the comfort that comes with knowing Katy Perry, Rihanna and Lady Gaga won't be the next song up. Let's hope after the novelty wears off that they don't adopt the assimilation attitude of so many radio stations and play the same stuff as everyone else.

August 1, 2013 @ 11:47 PM

Mississaug Phil

Thanks Dave..er James. Your input is disregarded as always

August 2, 2013 @ 10:21 AM

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