Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 192: Anne Mroczkowski

Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 192In this 192nd episode, Mike chats with Anne Mroczkowski about her decades at CityTV, her relationship with Gord Martineau, her time at Global and how she spends her days now. This episode is exactly 1:43:57.

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Enjoyable podcast great interview with Anne. She sounds like she is enjoying life after journalism.

September 13, 2016 @ 11:38 PM

Gary Middleton

I understand why people get laid off. I don't understand why it has to be done with such abrupt cruelty. There might actually be a reason. Maybe there really is evidence that fired employees have a big tendency to poison the atmosphere and put viruses on computers and steal hard drives or whatever. Is that it? Is there really no other way?

This was a great interview. Mike did a great job and Anne could not have been more eloquent, informed, and forthcoming. Other than not knowing Mike Cooper!

September 14, 2016 @ 3:16 AM

Albert Reda

Incredible interview. The things she said about Gord Martineau alone.

She seems happy, comfortable and ready to tell the truth about everything. Again, this was riveting listening.

September 14, 2016 @ 8:32 AM


Mike, I've been subscribed for a while now. There have been some excellent episodes (Marsden, Richards, Strombo, Gallagher, MacLean). Actually, most have been excellent.

Then, last week, I listened to Dave Hodge. It doesn't get any better than that.

But last night I listened to Anne M. I think this might be the best one yet. She was fantastic.

It sounds like she didn't want to do it and you talked her into it and she was glad she did it. She should be. It was a wonderful discussion.

Please keep it up. I'm becoming a Patron today.

September 14, 2016 @ 9:32 AM


I grew up watching Anne and Gord and loved them both. I had heard years ago that Gord was a bit of a dick but I suppressed it because I loved him so much. Now hearing it from Anne it crushes me a bit. Sure its her version of events, but until I hear Gords version - its just sad. imo they never appeared to be at odds with each other on the news cast - very professional.

The way CITY dismissed her is appalling but not surprising. In many industries it is the same - no one cares about your years of dedication - even if you are a high profile member. When you asked her if she would have been treated differently as a man and she responded incredulously "i wouldn't know i've never been a man" I actually laughed out loud. you rock Anne!

Mike just a comment I don't like it when you ask your guests about other people, like gossipy type stuff. It makes you look unprofessional (yes I realize you are not a professional). It gets uncomfortable and puts the person on the spot. Not cool.

Anne is just plain awesome (plus dog lover - hello!). Classy. How can her industry not want to have her on board - she's incredibly intelligent, well spoken, easy on the ear (not mention the eye which is sadly important her field). Fuck ageism!

September 14, 2016 @ 12:12 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


You wrote:

"Mike just a comment I don't like it when you ask your guests about
other people, like gossipy type stuff."

You're referring to the Anne Rohmer talk, right? That's a bit of an on-going joke at this point and really the only time I feel a little TMZ-ish. It's not a good feeling, by the way, and I'll work on weeding it out.

September 14, 2016 @ 1:14 PM


yes that is what I was referring to. i understand the desire to do it - for sure!'s so awkward.

September 14, 2016 @ 2:45 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I'm with you. I think I need therapy to resolve this fascination with Anne Rohmer's multiple retirements and recent return. And it doesn't help that @1236 continually eggs me on...

September 14, 2016 @ 2:49 PM


Mike - I think the only way you'll get over it is once you actually get Ann Rohmer to sit down and do an interview with her ;)

On that note it was another great podcast this week Mike. You can really hear Anne's passion for the news business and it's a shame that she believes that she's done when she could do alternative media like podcasting or youtube. I'm actually surprised that none of the existing youtube news type channels have yet to approach her.

Also, like GUNTer I was also surprised to hear that she and Gord didn't get along off camera. Should be interesting to hear Gord's side when/if you ever get him into your studio for a sit down.

September 14, 2016 @ 3:04 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I would love to have Ann Rohmer over for a chat. If anyone reading this can help make that happen, I'd appreciate it.

I too had no idea there were issues with Anne M. and Gord M.'s relationship. They really hid it well. It's one thing not to hang out outside of work, it's another not to speak when the camera's not filming.

September 14, 2016 @ 3:17 PM

Rob J

Holy cow, this episode...

September 14, 2016 @ 3:31 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Rob J

Is that good or bad?

September 14, 2016 @ 3:33 PM

Rob J

It's incredible! Realtalk at its utmost. Great job, TM.

September 14, 2016 @ 3:47 PM

James Edgar

Mike another great Cast.

I've never watched a lot of news since leaving home ( my parents were religious in their 6 PM news consumption. CTV when i was young City afterwards)

But I did like watching Anne when I did tune in. Much more than Gord actually.

It's too bad she's not on and not (as she says) likely to be on again.

63 she may be but she is still a charming and intelligent woman, not having her on air is loss for all of us.

September 14, 2016 @ 3:52 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

This episode felt great in the room. I just loved Anne, and found her honesty and openness so refreshing.

In fact, as I was uploading this episode to the web I realized that it really epitomizes why I do this. I'm proud of this episode. This episode encapsulates the vision of Toronto Mike'd.

September 14, 2016 @ 3:54 PM


I've only listened to half so far but I love this episode. Anytime someone comes and is so open and honest it makes for a great listen.

Maybe it's the medium -- maybe people just feel more relaxed on a podcast. Maybe it's the free beer. Or maybe Mike is just really good at getting people to open up.

I have to admit I've been living under a rock. It's not just that I had no idea she and Gord didn't get along ... I don't even remember that outake-reel scandal. Somehow I missed it completely. I watched the video today and couldn't believe what a dick he comes off as. So, when we here "Anne's side" about Gord ... well, the guy in that video sure comes off as the same guy she was talking about. All this time I've only seen him as the newscaster -- I had no knowledge of what he's like off camera. It's a bit deflating, and I no longer feel quite as sorry for him as I did when he was pushed into retirement.

September 14, 2016 @ 4:27 PM

Rob J

I felt the same way as a listener, that this one really summed up the raison d'etre of your podcast series. I have a tough time keeping in mind that you've never met these people before, for the most part. The convos are so natural and relaxed, even when touchy issues are the focus (e.g. Anne on Gord), or when you have a wildly different philosophy than the guest (e.g. Marty).

September 14, 2016 @ 4:47 PM


Also, I'd like to add that I do know the difference between "here" and "hear" and have spent the last several minutes curled up in a ball and rocking back and forth after realizing I mistyped. My pain is tremendous.

September 14, 2016 @ 4:47 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

One day maybe I'll talk about the mechanics of this podcast.

You see, I'm not really a social guy. This surprises some people. And 90% of the time I am meeting someone for the first time 2 minutes before we have a recorded chat for 90 minutes. And I never (well, almost never) edit a word.

I've been told I disarm people, and they open up. If this is true, and I've been told this by people who would know, it's natural. I'm just looking to have a conversation with someone and I try and pick people others would be interested in hearing from. I have no agenda, just notes on things I'm curious about and respect for the person sitting across the table from me.

September 14, 2016 @ 4:58 PM

Neil Clarke Warren

Shusss...Went to the same High School as Annie.I was a 9'er and she was in 13.
I knew of her cause even way back when she would be seen as Outgoing and Confident.
And yes very attractive.
Always and to this day very classy.

September 14, 2016 @ 5:21 PM


Hi Mike- when you have Adam Stiles on can you ask him why weather people talk about things like wind speed, relative humidity and "the record high for this day was 32 back in 1936". No one cares about any of this . All we want is the temperature for the week and is it going to rain or snow! Or maybe it's just me who gets annoyed by this useless information.
Also- could the weekend weather girl (I know that's condescending but I can't remember her name) please stop saying "temps"??!

September 14, 2016 @ 5:38 PM

Rob J

Well, as you know, I'm a huge fan of your work and listen to each episode. Obviously I enjoy some episodes more than others (as anyone would), but I'm always entertained and informed by your 'whos-who' litany of guests.

September 14, 2016 @ 5:42 PM

Arthur Wellesley

Engaging episode, marred only by your repeated use of the word..."convo".

September 14, 2016 @ 5:48 PM

Rob J

I believe it's short for "conversation" which is TM's preferred term over "interview".

September 14, 2016 @ 5:54 PM

Arthur Wellesley

No need to clarify. I'm aware of what it is short for, I'd prefer he use the long form of the word.

September 14, 2016 @ 6:00 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Arthur Wellesley is welcome to give any feedback he likes. I'll continue to say "convo" though.

And yes Arthur, if I have a good peanut butter on bagel story to share, I'll probably share it.

September 14, 2016 @ 7:41 PM


ah- near the end I was hoping you were going to tell her Marek has the record for longest episode, and would she like to keep going- for the record! Great guest.

I'm not sure Rohmer is your obsession, it's more the cake and gifts that seem to fascinate you. Did you leave a job where you didn't get a goodbye cake?

September 14, 2016 @ 8:50 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I think Eric Smith already beat the Marek record.

And I'm pro-cake and gifts, but if you go to that well twice, you best not show up for a third round!

September 14, 2016 @ 8:54 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Upon further reflection, I will try and say "convo" less and "conversation" more.

September 14, 2016 @ 9:00 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Nicely done Mike, you know how to disarm someone and have a real conversation. Always liked Anne and was sad to see her pushed out, think I like Gord less after this though.
I think I like conversation over convo, for what it's worth.

September 14, 2016 @ 9:32 PM


I am a little less surprised by Anne's revelations about Gord Martineau than others who have already posted comments. I read an interview that he gave to a Toronto newspaper around the time of his ill-fated move to Global Television. At the time he was a young news anchor and he came across in the article as being rather conceited and arrogant. Unfortunately, it sounds like he changed very little over the years.
This was a really great podcast. Anne was very articulate and candid.

September 15, 2016 @ 4:16 AM

Ima Fakeologist

Fantastic show Mike.

Do you have a PayPal I can shoot you some support? I won't use patreon (why pay yet another middleman!)

I love Anne's self professed big mouth. I would love to hear a podcast by her. Encourage her to produce it with your help.

(Sad about her being upset by the 9/11 media event, but not everyone has come to see it as I have revealed.)

You did a great job getting her to talk. Work on your t's sounding like d's. Keep it up.

September 15, 2016 @ 8:14 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Ima Fakeologist

Please send me an email and I'll reply with my paypal account.


September 15, 2016 @ 8:22 AM


Great job, Mike. I enjoyed this.

September 15, 2016 @ 2:21 PM

Rob J

FWIW, I enjoy the slow yet fascinating 'peeling back the layers' of the Ann R saga, especially TM's incredulity re: her getting cake twice.

September 15, 2016 @ 3:04 PM


Really enjoyed this cast. I would be interested to hear Christine Bently who I believe was also a victim of ageism.
Kate Wheeler too.

September 15, 2016 @ 4:05 PM


LOVED this convo so much!! Was surprised to hear that Anne & Gord didn't get along, and that their displeasure between the two is so deep that it exists even today...a bit unfortunate, but who knows what Gord's true issues are with Anne....

September 15, 2016 @ 8:17 PM


EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT interview with Anne. I must say that I am surprised how open and honest she was but it was quite refreshing. Anne and Gord spent a quarter of their life together, its sad to hear that for the last 3 years of working together they didn't talk and he would actually stand away from her until he absolutely had to. I can't imagine coming into work every day feeling like that, I sure wouldn't have lasted 3 years doing that. Good for Anne for being the bigger person. I was shocked to hear that City originally wanted to can Gord in 2010 instead of Anne but it was pretty sick thing for him to call her and tell her that. On the other hand, I somehow feel a little better knowing that they wanted to keep her instead of him and I'm quite sad it didn't work out that way.

So if Anne isn't a Liberal, is she a Conservative then?

I'm also quite surprised about how open she was about her personal life and her divorce. Its very sad to hear that there was a time where she desperately had to work and her retirement money is gone.

I enjoyed her perspective about infidelity, its a different way of thinking and we need more people to lead our thoughts in directions like that.

Great podcast, please give us more like this. I'd like to hear Gord Martineau's perspective on his relationship with Anne and with City. Also, please try and get Christine Bentley. She too was let go from her job, she's also a divorcee. I'd like to hear her perspective on things!

I definitely think you'll need to follow up with Anne in the future. Perhaps have a 'hot topics' podcast?

September 16, 2016 @ 1:14 AM

Al The Royal Pain

I just listened to this one during my commute this morning. I agree with most posters here, this was one of your best.

It's amazing how candid guests can be when they feel they have nothing to lose. I imagine that was the case with Anne. In her own words, there is no way she'll get another job in news, so why pull punches? However, she kept it civil and honest, she refused to outright trash anyone, but stuck to her own feelings about people. I respect that.

She was great!

September 16, 2016 @ 8:24 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Aidan and others

I urge you to visit and try another episode. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

September 16, 2016 @ 8:27 AM

Mike from Lowville

She is a stunning woman. I will always remember when she interviewed me at a Blue Jays playoff game at the mistake by the lake.

September 16, 2016 @ 3:05 PM

mississauga frank

I was never really a fan. She appeared on screen as cold fish. After listening to this I am still not a fan. Except now she is a very bitter individual. Bitter at men (not just her ex but the establishment) bitter at Roger's. Just bitter.

September 16, 2016 @ 8:00 PM


Finished listening to this episode last night. Anne was engaging and open, and a pleasure to listen to. It would be a crying shame if nobody finds a way to utilize her talents somewhere, be it on TV, radio, or some type of digital platform.

Gord Martineau almost ran my wife over in his Porsche many years ago, coming out of city hall parking lot, so I am not surprised to hear his dickishness extended to his workplace behaviour as well.

September 17, 2016 @ 7:53 AM

Jason from Sudbury

Great podcast Mike! You so need to try and get Gord on now.

September 17, 2016 @ 10:05 AM


Refreshing and candid conversation with Anne. Excellent!

September 18, 2016 @ 2:06 PM


Excellent. Anne was candid, upfront & shows she should be still in TV somewhere.
1 of you best Mike.

September 18, 2016 @ 2:08 PM

Il Duce

Another great interview Mike, you have a way of getting people to open up and spill it.

I've never had much time for Anne and after hearing her I can understand why, she doesn't seem very likeable. Although she was very open, honesty about people seems to be in her eyes only. Basically she's an old broadcaster who knows she will NEVER get another T.V. job so she goes off. I wonder if she was younger would she go off on people such as Gord. She took glee at what happened to Gord.

She comes across as very disingenuous, extremely bitter, especially against men and it comes across very much throughout most of the interview. Same old bullshit, I was done in because of men, salary, age, I was the smartest person in the room, blah blah.

There is a lot of turmoil going on behind the mask.

September 20, 2016 @ 7:03 AM

Melvin O'Neal

Some missed questions.

What does Anne think of Liza Fromer? Some of the posters said in real life she is not so nice. Anne certainly dished on Gord, she could have given her opinion on Liza and her firing.

I would like to have heard more in depth about Leslie Roberts and his resignation. What her opinion was on that whole thing.

September 20, 2016 @ 8:04 AM


@ Melvin O'Neal

Would Anne have much insight into Liza Fromer's firing? I don't think their time at Global overlapped. Their time at City certainly did, but only calendar-wise. They were opposite sides of the clock. There's a possibility they've never even met. Well ... they probably have, but they might not know each other very well.

September 20, 2016 @ 9:52 AM


Great podcast.

I've always wondered what your recording setup is. If you ever have any questions/concerns about having a backup/redundant recording of your show, shoot me an email I could provide some solutions.

September 20, 2016 @ 7:45 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I'll write ya. Thanks!

September 20, 2016 @ 9:26 PM

Blind Dave

I'm at the 60 minute mark and this is definitely in your top ten. I remember Anne from the early CITY days and I have always respected her as a broadcaster.

September 22, 2016 @ 8:26 PM


Listened to it all, awesome interview Mike and Anne! Don't let the "old women can't be on media" stereotyping get to you, in the digital age of Youtube and podcasts, smart and intelligent people such as yourself Anne can rise above the "old media ways" and deliver a superior product not constrained by toeing the corporate line.

September 26, 2016 @ 5:04 AM


I'm late to the party on this episode, not sure why I never listened earlier but it is fantastic. Great job Mike.

October 13, 2016 @ 8:42 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Better late than never. :)

October 13, 2016 @ 8:58 AM


Beautiful work my friend... makes me think back to other greats as Colin Vaughan, Mark Dailey, Glen Cole, Peter Silverman and Jojo Chintoh (who kind of just disappeared into thin air).

But, aside from them... there is also one that I still greatly miss and wish was still here... had he been, I know you'd have had a real memorable interview as he had been a true institution on our city's radio & tv since 1968... the late South Asian broadcaster, Lali Vij who we lost in 1991... TV wise, he had been on Global for five years starting in 1979, moving to City in 1984... his programs were so popular at the time that through the viewer demand for his shows, he even managed to indirectly help the station with their efforts to become a province-wide network like Global, but at a record fast pace of three years as opposed to the usual ten.

As for radio, he had been on CHIN FM every Sunday night as well as CHIN AM from Mondays to Fridays... only really had Saturdays "off". People would literally stop what they were doing just to listen into the programs each week.

Both shows were in fact a literal who's who of entertainment giants & dignitaries from the South Asian world..

All we can truly do is pray for his soul and memory now...

Actually, there would be a person that you could interview... among the last of the remaining South Asian pioneer broadcasters... perhaps, you might have heard the name Bashir Khan? Started off with his Voice Of Pakistan TV shows (the very first in North America) back in October of 1974 on Community Access in Hamilton, joined up with Lali to offer a monthly 15 minute version of his shows on Sounds Of Asia that continued until 1986 when he had been given a half hour time of his own on CHCH TV which would become highly popular despite immensely fierce competition from weekend WWF (then) wrestling coming at that time from Buffalo. Three years later in 1989, he'd move to a then fledgling Vision TV, changing his program's name to Visions Of Pakistan and would become the producer of North America's first National weekly Pakistani TV Broadcast...running a half-hour every week until February of 2002, when his time would be expanded to a full hour until the program would stop in 2008.

Again, Bashir could share lots of insight notonly as a broadcaster but as a South Asian broadcaster over the years along with the obstacles and challenges so many of us faced....

You should give it some thought? Would make a really cool podcast...

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