The Right to Strike or The Right to Terrorize?

Published by Toronto Mike on July 22, 2009 @ 08:50 in Toronto News ~ Toronto Focus

cityhallCourtney doesn't have her own blog, so I'm lending her mine for the next 1000 pixels or so. She has something she wants to share and I think it's important enough that I'm posting her words on her behalf.

Here's what Courtney wrote:

The Right to Strike or The Right to Terrorize?

 I am not writing this letter to discuss the merits of one’s right to strike or right to assemble and hold a public labor dispute.

 I am writing to discuss the behavior of the CUPE Union Locals 416 and 79, most specifically with respect to Local 79 during their public labor dispute.

 My outrage stems from a shocking personal incident that occurred yesterday at the Municipal Offences office located at 2700 Eglinton Ave W. 

 Having harboured no previous opinion either way regarding this strike, or previous distain for these Unions or their members, I attended the Municipal Enforcement office to address a parking ticket. I knew of the picket lines at the various garbage dumps throughout the City, but had no idea that it had extended to Municipal enforcement offices.

 After pulling into the driveway I saw a number of people crowded in front of the building with signs, picketing to raise awareness concerning their labor dispute.

 As I approached in my vehicle, I can’t deny that I didn’t feel some level of anxiety. In the past week I have seen and heard deplorable, aggressive and harassing behavior by CUPE Union members at various dump sites.

 I have heard reports of people being accosted in their vehicles, one individual who had their vehicle damaged by a CUPE Union members while his wife and two-year-old child were in the car; another individual who was seen on video having their vehicle surrounded by garbage; other reports of CUPE Union members tearing up garbage and throwing it around like cavemen,  in addition to various reports of seniors citizens being forced to lug large loads of garbage for hundreds of meters because of the picket lines.

 As I pulled my car into the laneway of the municipal office, these upsetting stories immediately came to mind as I saw the picketing group gathered.  That said, I had already pulled into the driveway and could not easily navigate the crowd or the line of cars ahead and behind me to turn around and so I decided to have faith in the Union members and attempt to proceed with my own personal business to resolve my parking ticket.

 I was first approached by a City Manager who advised me that:

1.       There is a labor dispute.

2.       That a union representative would approach my vehicle to discuss the issues and I could choose to listen or not listen. That if I didn’t want to listen to calmly advise the Union member and then wait to cross the picket line.

3.       I was advised that I would have to wait approximately 15 minutes per/vehicle.

I accepted those terms and continued up the narrow driveway, as again, I wasn’t left with many options considering I had picketers in front of my car, Union supervisors to the left and right of my car and even more vehicles piled up behind me.

 An older woman from the union approached my car. I wound down my window and she asked me if I would like to listen. I wasn’t really feeling well (not that I should have to give any explanation for exercising my right to choose) and so I politely advised her that I would not like to listen at that time and wound up my window preparing to wait. She respected my wishes and walked away from my vehicle.

 Without provocation and within 5 minutes a second, more aggressive younger woman approached my vehicle and was shouting through my wound up window. She told me that if I did not wind down my window and listen that my car would stay blocked and I wouldn’t be allowed through at all! I found her behavior quite aggressive and when I realized that by this time I was all but trapped in my car between the tight squeeze of other cars and the picket line: I began to panic. I have never in my life, living in this city (through numerous job actions) felt so violated and, dare I say, terrorized.

 That an individual having a dispute over the banking of her sick days felt that it was her right to demand that I oblige her by listening to her plight or face being humiliated and detained against my will and accosted in my vehicle is totally sickening. Since when has our society become a dictatorship where individuals who assemble to express their views have any right to detain and dictate orders to (or, rather, totally bully) members of the public?

 While I respect any person’s right to freedom of expression, a right which they were exercising, my rights to express my own freedom of choice and expression were violated with flagrant hostility. Quite clearly, there are members of this group who now feel emboldened to not only picket and protest, but torment and browbeat those who exercise their right to not participate in or listen to their plight.

How does this Union expect to win public support by terrorizing and intimidating the public?

What’s worse, is that while this incident was taking place, the police that were present and witnessed this woman’s hostile behavior towards me remained unfazed nearby, continuing to chat with picketers, displaying an insensitive – if not ignorant - dismissive response.  Perhaps the fact that they are CUPE Union members themselves introduces a personal agenda that presents a conflict of interest when it comes to exercising appropriate professional judgment to determine under what circumstances they will keep the peace.

Feeling the effects of this injustice after being detained against my will, after having my right to feel safe and secure in the city I was raised in taken away from me, I decided to contact the parties involved, hoping that I would find out that it was simply this one woman who acted in poor taste.

To my complete surprise the following entities responded to me in the following ways:

Entity

Who I Spoke With

What They Told Me

CUPE Local 79

Charlotte Minardo

That because “I was polite” in the incident she would look into it. She refused to provide information to me concerning the specific individual in question to prevent me from legally pursuing my issue. I got a completely condescending and “superior” response like that of a parent to a child from this woman.

Howard Moscoe’s Office – Councilor in my riding

A woman answering the phones

When I tried to report that I had completely denied access to the premises at 2700 Eglinton Ave W, contrary to the information on the City of Toronto Website, she was not knowledgeable and actually told me that she wasn’t even aware of the information concerning the strike that was posted on the Cities website. That I would be best suited to listen to the individual at my window to get past the line. This was after advising her that the Cities website stated that Unions refusal of passage was unlawful.

Mike Colles Office – Provincial Member of Parliament

A woman answering the phones

Refused to answer my questions or take a message for my representative and told me to email the Premiers office

The Toronto Police

 

I was told that unless a physical altercation had ensued they were doing nothing to protect the public from being detained on roadways or from being verbally accosted in their vehicles

Rob Fords Office

 

They were quite understanding and suggested that I send an email to the City and copy their office on my email

City of Toronto

 

Requested that I email a detailed description of events to them and that my issue would be looked into

Here are some sobering truths about how our leadership is prepared to deal with the violation of the rights of their constituents:

1.       The office of the councilor I voted for had no procedure to deal with, assist constituents affected by the behavior of CUPE Local Union Members. In fact they appeared to have no care or concern for what I had been through whatsoever. Their office dismissed my concerns and, in fact, advised me listen to the union to save myself the trouble. No offer was made to record or follow-up on my complaint.

2.       The Provincial Member of Parliament that I voted for refused to answer my questions and refused to accept or even record my complaint or opinions and shuffled me off to The Premiers Office.

3.       The Toronto Police just sit idly by, allowing these Union employees to harass, accost and detain individuals in their vehicles, without care or concern for the public or The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I am not unreasonable and don’t think that a verbal altercation warrants an arrest, however they should intervene when the Union member is provoking an altercation just as they’ve shown that they will when a member of the public were provoking an altercation under the same circumstances.

4.       That the Union Local 79 suggested that since “I was polite” my complaint would be considered. Had I not been “polite”, would that have made that Union employees behavior somehow acceptable?

I tend to wonder if I had been as aggressive with the Union employee as she was with me, would this be the same story I am writing today? Had I responded to her in the same fashion she was addressing me, would that have been construed as my disturbing the peace? Would the Police have continued to remain disconnected mere feet from the incident? If I had waited until the end of the strike day and blocked the union employee’s vehicle the way she was blocking mine, would that behavior have been permitted?

 It seems so painfully clear to me that in this grand hypocrisy the only people above the law appear to be Union members.

My message to the Province is not that these people should necessarily be legislated back to work, however I continue seeking legislation that mandates civilized conduct of workers during a strike and that they not be permitted to approach people in their vehicles and make arbitrary demands.

I am a business owner and work very hard to afford to be able to live and work in this City. If a client terminates, or chooses to amend the terms of a contract, should I begin to terrorize every human being that attempts to enter their facility? What would this City look like if every worker behaved the way these Union members do?

 While people throughout the world are protesting equal rights and mass genocide, I found myself in this situation because of a labor dispute over sick days. I was downtown during the Tamil protests, past the transit stations during transportation strikes and never, ever have I have encountered a thug such as the one I did yesterday at 2700 Eglinton Ave W.

 Perhaps the City should fund a membership or association granting the public the ability to organize, advertize, assemble and protest this kind of atrocious, militant behavior.

 Union members – and the lack of leadership and response by my municipal councilor, MPP and Toronto Police - are making it easy for the public to despise and resent them and everything they stand for rather than earning public support and respect. 

I urge the City of Toronto to stand their ground and not to bow down to the brute tactics of these CUPE Union members.  I also urge the public to stand up for their right to sit in their car peacefully, with their windows up if they choose, without fear of reprisal, unlawful detention or intimidation tactics.

Courtney J.
Chief Executive Officer
Inside Solutions Corp.
6001 Yonge St. #305
Toronto, Ontario

Previous entries about Toronto's civic workers strike:

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63 Responses to "The Right to Strike or The Right to Terrorize?"

TCN
July 22, 2009 / 09:14

Union thugs take their cues from their leaders, according to this column:

http://bit.ly/18jyjC

Sammi
July 22, 2009 / 09:19

Unions are nothing but leagalized terrorism. It is time to abolish all unions. Enough is enough!

Stephanie Wilkinson
July 22, 2009 / 09:21

Well written. I do applaud you for taking the time to write this and your efforts to get your issues resolved. I can tell you 9/10 people would have walked away and just told their story by word of mouth. I hope you get responses and that this gets more mainstream press. How many other people did this happen to? How much longer will it have to go on?

Joanne
July 22, 2009 / 09:40

That is an unbelievable story. Terrorism indeed.

Jessica
July 22, 2009 / 10:59

You crossed the picket line, what did you expect? You knew the strike was happening; it's a city strike effecting all city offices not just garbage services.

Mike from Lowville
July 22, 2009 / 11:12

Hey lady? Who are you pissed at? Seems to me you do good job stating "Having harboured no previous opinion either way regarding this strike, or previous distain for these Unions or their members", but then go on about all the things seen and heard, deplorable, aggressive and harassing behavior by CUPE Union members at various dump sites. I would bet the farm, that you have always had a hard on (no pun intended) for Unions and always will. A word of advise, DON'T CROSS A PICKET LINE! If you do in your case listen to what they have to say. Whether you like it or not! Looks like your pissed at the world now, and your Councilor and your Provincial Member of Parliament and The Toronto Police. Go kick your dog and feel better!

Dizzy
July 22, 2009 / 11:28

@Mike from Lowville:

She just wanted to inquire about her parking infraction, not work for them. Surely that's reason enough to be able to go about one's business in peace.

Andrew
July 22, 2009 / 11:49

Your attitude is a perfect example of why so many people are so anti-union, Mike from Lowville.

What exactly were her options?

I am sure you have no problem with the tactics that unions take while they "stick it to the man" and cause harm to the very people of the city that should be protected.

Why do they deserve better treatment than any other citizen of the city?

James Edgar
July 22, 2009 / 12:00

The unions are getting desperate and frustrated so harrassment is going to escalte. There should never be situations like this. In a normal situation she would be able to charge that person with assault. I think it may be correct that the police have an agenda. They shoiuld be ashamed.

Mike From Lowville you're way off base. And this behaviour if it continues will just make citizens of the city be even less happy with the union. Cooperation is the way they need to go to get support. We live here we can't go on strike and live elseware. Since when did the right to strike include the right to harass?

Heather
July 22, 2009 / 13:01

I have crossed a few picket lines with varying experiences but for the most part people have been polite and only detained me for a period of time. I was always given the option to leave after their speech - which I declined since I made the choice to go in and knew full well there was a strike going on. I don't, however, believe crossing the picket line gives someone the right to harass another human being (myself to them or vice versa) - Never mind whatever political beliefs are behind it. The saying goes, "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

The real shame goes not to the police (who if they stopped her might have caused more union workers to get upset) or our elected officials (I'm sure they're short staffed and swimming in calls) but her co-picketers and the union leaders. Ultimately, they are responsible for the face they put on their cause. Allowing this sort of behaviour seems to bring about bad publicity and what they want is support, no?

Should anyone find themselves in a similar situation, I would recommend asking the person's name... It might make them realize that they cannot hide behind anonymity of a group and that they are in fact a human being interacting with a fellow human being.

Jane
July 22, 2009 / 13:01

The feelings of injustice are hard to ignore, especially when made personal. To put it simply and without debating human morality, the experience of being discriminated against by others is hurtful.

Which is why I must question, is it not an injustice to discriminate against an entire union based on the actions of one hostile individual?

"What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly--that is the first law of nature."

-Voltaire

Mike from Lowville
July 22, 2009 / 13:11

To all those anti-union,(and Mike you have many that frequent)I've heard it all before and I don't give two shits what you think. The general public hates Unions, period! I know that. The media stirs the pot and the sheep buy it. Frankly Mike, I'm a little disappointed you posting this. Love how all the anti-union links pop up top left. Peggy would be disappointed also.

Andrew
July 22, 2009 / 13:18

"I don't give two shits what you think"

And that is why you fail.

You should care about what we think. That's what gives the union true power. If the citizen's back them, then they will get what they want.

I am not anti-union. I am for the most part supportive when the unions fight for the right things and go about it the right way.

I have no issues with going on strike (for the most part) but forcing people to listen to their cause or making them wait unreasonably long times is something I can't support.

Toronto Mike
July 22, 2009 / 13:26

"Frankly Mike, I'm a little disappointed you posting this. Love how all the anti-union links pop up top left."

I see an ad for the University of Notre Dame right now. Likely because of the "Chief Executive Officer" keywords. And I don't control the ads, Google does.

As for posting this, I posted it to encourage this very discourse. And I agree with Andrew, you should give a shit and this isn't necessarily about being "anti-union".

Fredericton Steve
July 22, 2009 / 13:34

Good job, Mike from Lowville. You have certainly help put to rest any resentment people feel.

Now, I have no relation to the incidents in Toronto but I have certainly seen this type of thing in other areas.

Why do you unions feel that everyone else should be inconvenienced so they can push their agendas?

And Jessica, comments like yours are just plain dumb.Humans should be able to walk into an office that their tax dollars pay for. It's comments and attitudes like yours that perpetuate the notion that what they are doing is ok.

Ray
July 22, 2009 / 13:39

The fact that the spelling and grammar errors within this discussion only appear in the posts of the pro-union individuals is just another example of the intelligence of these hostile and clueless picketers which Courtney had to put up with.

Argie
July 22, 2009 / 13:42

I think the strike is great. It illustrates perfectly how over paid and under worked these CUPE members are. The city does stink and many programs have been eliminated but overall, the world hasn't come to an end. Private garbage disposal companies are making a killing and the ever useless CUPE slack is striking himself out of a job.

This is the best and perhaps only good move Miller has made since becoming mayor. Of course his next move should be to fire all of them and hire people who will actually work for their wages.

Fredericton Steve
July 22, 2009 / 14:00

Best post you've made on here argie!

Did I just agree with Argie?

oh dear I think I did.

Toronto Mike
July 22, 2009 / 14:02

Even more shocking, I think Argie just complimented David Miller.

Sammi
July 22, 2009 / 14:04

I can't believe this but I agree with Argie! Well said!

Horonymous
July 22, 2009 / 14:17

I went to 2700 Eglinton W, several days after the strike began to drop off a moving violation for a friend. Once I notice the picket line across the driveway I chose to park on a side street.

When I walked up to the picket line I was asked by the union members why I was coming to the building that day. I informed them that I was here to drop off a ticket for a friend. They informed me that parking tickets were not being handled but moving violations were. They wished me a good day and let me through. No problem.

Horonymous
My House
CDO, Chief Dad Officer
Mississauga, On

Fredericton Steve
July 22, 2009 / 14:19

Horonymous, do you real feel that you have to answer to a picket line before you can do business? I realize you weren't treated poorly but doesn't that bother you that you had to answer to someone to enter a public building?

Devon
July 22, 2009 / 14:29

I will vote for any political party that will abolish terrorists....er...I mean unions in this country.

Argie
July 22, 2009 / 14:41

Horonymous,

You should have said "none of your effing business.... now get back to work!!"

Fredericton Steve
July 22, 2009 / 15:16

Unions are like many things in our society today - a great idea gone wrong.

Jay
July 22, 2009 / 15:17

After 31 days of being kept in the dark given no info and no money how do you expect people not to be pissed off.
Being a Local 79 Member I have received no info about the strike or the negotiations at all. Maybe you should not have been so ignorant and listened to what they had to say rather then put the window up in you BMW and act like your shit don't stink! Complain about something real and Mr. Mayor get us back to work. Ann Dembinski should retire and the city needs a new union!
Have a nice day!

Fredericton Steve
July 22, 2009 / 15:25

Why does someone have to listen to anything a mob has to say to them? People have jobs and places to go. Holding taxpayers (aka the people that pay your bills) from doing legitimate business is foolishness.

James Edgar
July 22, 2009 / 15:55

Actually. I think some inconvenience IS tolerable. making her wait 15 minutes or whatever is fine. DEMANDING that she listen is harrassment. maybe it's splitting hairs but there's no way that the union will get support doing things this way.

Mike from lowville I don't hate unions. I don't love them either. They have a place but when members start to feel entitled things have gone wrong.

Cupe has a long history of feeling etiitled. Untill they lose that attitude no one wil be supportive.

Taxes go up and up service goes down and Cupe continues to demand more and more.

Meanwhile the most affluant leave the city for the burbs placing the burden on the least able to pay.

Which is SUPPOSED to be the opposite of union philosophy.

IMHO in this case the union member went to far.

Horonymous
July 22, 2009 / 16:10

Fredericton Steve

My impression of the picketers inquiring as to why I was there that day was to inform me whether or not the business I wanted to conduct there that day way available. When a strike is on it is not business as usual. I was quite grateful to the help the picketers offered me and how the let me through the line with no delay.

As for how the CEO was treated when trying to enter the municipal building it is nothing short of embarrassing for unions.

Horonymous
My House
CDO, Chief Dad Officer
Mississauga, On

TCN
July 22, 2009 / 16:12

This opinion piece seems to agree with Argie:

"But for the vast majority of Torontonians, this summer is much like any other. Given this state of affairs, more and more people are asking themselves: What exactly were the 30,000 strikers doing before they took to the picket lines?"

http://bit.ly/gZ3zN

Chris
July 22, 2009 / 16:12

I'm not saying I support the strike, but we shouldn't let this one person's actions speak for the rest of the union members.

From Jay's comments, tt sounds like they're frustrated too. I don't think that frustration should be taken out on the rest of us though.

Marie
July 22, 2009 / 16:15

I'm getting really sick and tired of people saying that city employees and CUPE members are overpaid and underworked. Does anyone have the data to back up that statement? Having said that, I as a member of Toronto's non-union public service, agree with James Edgar - CUPE does have a sense of entitlement. How are they different from us non-union employees? Did we get a COL increase this year - NO. Did we lose our sick bank - YES. Message to CUPE 416 and 79 - suck it up and get back to work.

J9
July 22, 2009 / 17:30

Great thread - comments and all. I would love to see a follow up to this from Courtney.

Liz
July 22, 2009 / 18:13

Wow, where to start?

To prove that the world is totally upside down, I agree with Argie. After reading your second comment,

"Horonymous,

You should have said "none of your effing business.... now get back to work!!" I laughed out loud. I might have to reconsider my view of your postings because in this instance, you're an effing prophet!


I'm glad Mike posted Courtney's note - very well-written and I'd say on the whole, pretty balanced for someone who'd had her cage rattled by a CUPE animal. And yes, I did say animal because that's how they're acting. What is this? Lord of the F***ing Flies? If we're doing the whole social Darwinism thing (aka survival of the fittest), those lower down on the food chain won't make it. That is, those who CHOOSE to act in a manner one notch above a rabid animal. There's something that snaps in otherwise pretty sensible people when it comes to this union shit - and that's all it is - pure unadulterated bullshit. Ann Dembinski's pissing contest is doing a whole lot of harm to people who don't deserve it.

And that f***ing article in last Saturday's Star about Mark Ferguson? What a pant-load that was. Sucky boy wants parental leave and gets bitten by the union fever? Way to go Norma Rae.

Here's a little advice for Comrade Mark - you might want to put down the 'Art of War', Captain A-hole. Instead, read something that'll be of real use to you. If you have time, in between f***-up's, get yourself, or one of your union blow boys, to a book store for a copy of "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell" so you'll know what to expect when the unemployed garbage guys come gunning for you.

Good job, a-holes! For your efforts, you'll get to experience that whole 'contracting out' thing - because it is SO GOING TO HAPPEN. And then where will you be without your merry band of misguided terrorists? Just think about the thousands of dollars in union dues you had pulled out of your pocket - all for the pleasure of being pissed on by the very dickwads you elected.

Can't wait to watch that drama unfold. That movie of the week will be called, "Brother? WTF Happened? I Thought You Had My Back?" Yah, bent over again - no dinner, no kiss and no banked sick days.

And to that broad with the Voltaire quote, isn't it time for your yoga class? Braid the hair on your legs, put on your Birkenstock's and CBC Radio. Remember that after yoga, you have your "Some of Us Are Really So Much Better Than We Let On" group.

And it would be nice if the union brothers and sisters could write a f***ing sentence and conjugate a verb properly. "Your?", "You're?" There's a difference, you know?

Ryan
July 22, 2009 / 18:57

The fact that Courtney had to deal with that is ridiculous.

Only hardcore bloggers would have the time to come up with reasons as to how Courtney was wrong to cross the line.. etc etc.. blah blah blah

Does anyone really believe that either party is trying to meet either/or halfway?

This is a joke and the fact that Miller says the city can't afford what any "Back to Work" legislation Arbitrator would give the union members, makes this even more laughable.

heh heh.. Well you all know what a laugh sounds like!!!

Toronto Mike
July 22, 2009 / 21:08

I just corresponded with Courtney and she's promised to chime in within the next couple of hours.

Courtney
July 22, 2009 / 23:33

I want to thank everyone on this blog for their kind words in response to my article.

I actually wrote the article as a form of therapy to help me recover from the extreme upset I endured the other day. After being stonewalled by every entity that is supposed to be in place to protect me I started to write and sent my article to everyone I knew and every media outlet I could think of.

A friend emailed my article to the owner of this blog to which I am grateful.

To all of those who are of the opinion that I am some stuffy Anti Union, BMW driving CEO I want to give you a better image of who I am.

I am 30 year old young woman and entrepreneur. I am the CEO of two Corp’s because I have worked hard and although my businesses are small, I have managed to create some jobs during this difficult economy.

I do not drive a BMW, I drive a Ford Fusion lol.

I am not anti union. In fact my husband is a tradesman and a member of a wonderful union.

My grandfather (god bless his soul) was a City of Toronto traffic engineer who designed many of the streets we drive on today and I was born and raised in this Toronto.

I was raised with a strong sense of pride and dignity. I was raised to appreciate my freedom, voice and right to choices. I was also raised to always treat others as I would like to be treated.

I have always cared a great deal about others and dedicated the early part of my career crusading for consumers who have had credit problems; recover and rebuild after financial ruin which has enabled be to be successful in the businesses I own today.

I truly had no idea that the picket lines were at the Municipal Enforcement Offices, had I known I likely would have avoided it all together as I suffer from panic attacks which usually occur when I am in large crowds.

Backing out of the driveway did not seem to be an option as there was a pile up of cars behind me and there people that were in front of and to the sides of my vehicle. By the explanation I was given by the City manager, I thought things were orderly and had no way to anticipate what was about to take place.

The woman who approached my vehicle was irate, aggressive and appeared to have some type of superiority complex. I felt quite violated and in fact did not make it past the line as they refused to let me pass. Thanks to the gentlemen in the vehicle behind me who was kind enough to move his vehicle into the oncoming lane, I was able to turn around by pulling a 22 point turn and utilizing a chunk of the side walk.

My husband returned to 2700 Eglinton Ave W. today on my behalf to deal with my ticket and came home to tell me that he was able to get through on foot. Perhaps the woman, who attacked me, didn’t feel quite so confident to attack a strong, burly looking man. Perhaps I just looked like an easy target.

My husband is a very passive person who I often describe as an “even Steven” and with whom I often debate about his overly diplomatic position on most situations. He is pro-union and he too was disappointed with what he observed today. He actually reported that he saw them doing to other vehicles exactly what they did to mine.

In fact he observed one union member drawing the police to a vehicle that housed a business man who appeared upset at having his access blocked. The police promptly attended his vehicle and instructed him to stop creating a disruption.

It left my husband wondering why he (my husband) had to go back there for me at all and why the police didn’t help me.

Which brings me to the point of my article.

My article was not intended to challenge the workers right to strike. It was to challenge their superior attitudes that there labor dispute somehow gives them the right to bully and intimidate the public.

My hope is that people write to their Provincial Members of Parliament’s as I think a unions members right’s during a strike needs to be legislated. I came to this conclusion as it appears that some union members do not want to conduct themselves in a peaceful and respectful fashion and so perhaps it should be legislated. Perhaps legislation should be tabled that prevents union members from approaching people in their person and in their vehicles.

Especially when it comes to approaching people in their vehicles. No person knows how another person may react or what type of disability they may have prior to a confrontation. I think that this creates a dangerous situation for all. My feeling violated is one thing, but are the CUPE members sick days worth a potential injury to the public or even their members. In my instance I was so panicked I just wanted to get out of there no matter what the cost, forcing me to maneuver my vehicle in the height of panic.

One poster wrote that the Local 79 members have received little communication from their union and so they are growing frustrated. Does this somehow mean that the members of his union should start attacking the public to get their unions attention? I think the anger has been largely misdirected.

During this experience I was terrified as I thought to myself, “the rest of them are going to hear her and swarm my vehicle”.

I also think that all who attend the sites of such picket lines should have their cameras in their cars and start taking pictures and video of these individuals while they engage in poor conduct. These photos should be posted on the blogs, you tube and emailed to media. I wonder how proud of their behavior they would be seeing it plastered everywhere. Had I not been so upset and had I been able to think clearly at the time, I would have done so on my blackberry. It’s one of those shoulda, woulda, coulda things I guess.

All the messages of support on this blog have made me feel a lot better about things and have reminded me that there are people who know right from wrong and hopefully a politician or two will find themselves on this blog and learn something from it.

Courtney

P.S. – Sorry if this wasn’t as well thought out as my initial article. I threw my thoughts together quickly as soon as I learned of this blog and all of your kind words. I wanted to quickly post a response to all the people who supported me on this blog.

Anonymous
July 23, 2009 / 01:21

Courtney probably felt more violated and terrorized than anyone else would have in that same situation since she admits in her post she suffers from panic attacks. I have to agree with MikeFromLowville, Courtney's issues with unions go well beyond the past 31 days. And, yes, the media, is certainly showing only what they think the people of Toronto want to hear (i.e. anything that makes CUPE look bad). It's not like CUPE members live in Forest Hill and are bringing home 6 digit salaries. In today's economy, I would think more people would be standing up for the average workers rights and working towards better salary, working conditions, and job security for everyone (not just public service, unionized employees). The last thing this world needs is more people living in poverty. Of course, that's someting that will take alot of extra effort to achieve in some work places, so it's just easier to complain about what others have achieved and whine about the "sense of entitlement" these workers have. David Miller can stand in front of a camera and tough talk all he wants, but that's what politicians do best (and often that's all they ever do). Mark Ferguson is conducting himself in a far more diplomatic manner. I am not a CUPE member but I sympathise for these workers and they have my full support. Oh, and the Police, while, yes they are unionized, are not CUPE members either.

Mike from Lowville
July 23, 2009 / 07:39

Typical comment Ray, what is this a literacy exam? Most people posting in forums and blogs forgo using capitals and use short forms like GFY.

Andrew, sorry, I win. I'm Union, YOU lose.

Devon, I guess you won't be voting anytime soon.

Liz, I have some soap for you so your mother can wash your mouth.

Argie, you should be blackballed.

Seems that Fredericton Steve hit the nail on the head. "Inconvenienced" is the key word, sorry Fred. Reminds me of the last time teachers were on strike. Two earner households, working to make ends meet,pissed off because their babysitters are not available. Why should there have to be two earner households? Oh yeah, Unions caused it!!

Wayner
July 23, 2009 / 08:12

Unions had their place during the industrial revolution when workers were taken advantage of (ready your dickens). But with the introduction of child labour laws and other workers rights (no doubt thanks to the work of early unions) in today's world their relevance is questionable.

Courtney Mc Elroy
July 23, 2009 / 08:21

Dear Mike from Lowville,

"Inconvenienced" hardly described what happened to me. I was prepared to be inconvenienced, I was not prepared to be accosted in my vehicle.

Would you feel the same if there was a civil rights dispute at the mall and a mob of protesters accosted your daughter in her vehicle. hmmm I wonder if you would feel the same?

Regardless, it seems that nothing will faze your one sided, ignorant point of view.

I have tried so hard to be diplomatic about this whole situation but Mike actually proves, by his many remarks exactly what I talked about in my article.

There is a thing called The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - specifically "9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisioned".

Your labour dispute does not give you the right to detain me.

Your labour dispute does not give you the right to terrorize me.

I dont have to listen to you, I dont have to take a single one of your orders.

Mike from Lowville proves that this was not just the attitude of this one woman, this is a common attitude of these union members and all of those who behave this way should be ashamed.

You know Mike, you have motivated me this morning to start a petition for the Premier.

You can make all the back handed remarks about me, the other bloggers and even my beautiful little dog.

You only motivate me to push on.

Andrew
July 23, 2009 / 08:21

So Mike from Lowville...since I am a Union Member don't I win as well?

Yes, I pay union dues every two weeks. I can still think CUPE is being stupid.

Ray
July 23, 2009 / 09:06

Oh Lowly Mike, please keep the comments coming. It just allows the enlightened rest of us to continue to shake our heads at the likes of you and pat you on the head and send you back to play in YOUR sandbox. YOU'RE a great example of why unions are mostly disgraceful. You're also an example of why they are necessary; to keep morons like you employed, otherwise you'd just be a burden on our welfare system.

Courtney
July 23, 2009 / 09:41

I have a real issue with those who have posted responses with the idea that I am anti union and that my panic attacks somehow minimize what happened to me the other day.

I would just like to re-iterate that my husband is in a good union that does not encourage their workers to behave like animals. As a matter of fact there are many good unions.

Also my panic attacks certainly intensified my desire to get out of there and fast - however they did not cause me to:

1. Imagine the woman who brought her face an inch from my window and proceeded to shout at me and demand that I wind down my window and listen, which was frightful.

2. Imagine being trapped between cars and pedestrians.

3. Imagine that I was refused entry because I "chose" not to listen.

So now that I am finished defending myself to more union bullies I am going to go back to work now as I have a business to run and this union drama has already proven to be quite the distraction.

Argie
July 23, 2009 / 09:50

"YOU'RE a great example of why unions are mostly disgraceful. You're also an example of why they are necessary; to keep morons like you employed, otherwise you'd just be a burden on our welfare system."
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Ray - The best post I've seen in a long time.

Liz - These striking slackers provide the material for me to be funny. For that, I thank them.

Anonymous
July 23, 2009 / 13:14

Courtney, I don't think what you went through was fair to you, but using words like "terrorized" is really a bit too much. If this is terrorism, than I'm terrorized everytime I walk down Yonge St. or through Parkdale, and with zero police presence too. CUPE does not tell their members to act like animals on the picket lines. People are frustrated (picketers included) and some may not be acting as diplomatically as they should. That being said, perhaps if you helped out on a picket line and were yelled at, called lazy and selfish, amongst other things, you might understand you're not the only one being terrorized.

Anonymous
July 23, 2009 / 13:47

Here is the difference.

They have chosen to make their labor dispute a public one. They have assembled and organized in large groups vs. some single individual who may shout at passerby’s downtown.

It also appears as though when they are accosted by private citizens they have the support of law enforcement.

I was simply going about my business. I did not provoke this incident whosoever.

I too lived downtown for a number of years. This wasn't a situation of someone shouting out a remark at a passerby.

I was in my own vehicle and I exercised my right not to listen. In addition to, it is not lawful for them to outright refuse access and I was prepared to wait the 15 minutes per/vehicle.

Here is the definition of terrorism:
“The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.”

“Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets.”

I would say that this pretty well describes this woman’s behavior. Only her attack on me was verbal, because I stayed in my vehicle with my windows up and my door locked.

Debating this with you is proving fruitless.

I went through this, you did not. It may be easy for you to marginalize this incident - but this was not small to me. Perhaps if CUPE members are so frustrated they should direct their anger at their Union or the City of Toronto and instead of resorting to intimidating and trying to coerce private citizens to take part in their cause!

Courtney
July 23, 2009 / 13:49

oops - the previous post was me, I just forgot to inset my name lol

Liz
July 23, 2009 / 14:47

Sadly Courtney, you are not alone in this one. Things are so out of control. The stories - similar to yours - are sadly becoming the norm. I honestly don't understand how CUPE gets away with terrorizing people like they do. And the cops won't do a damn thing.

There is a horrible video on YouTube that shows these bastards terrorizing (yes, terrorizing) a woman trying to enter a parking garage. They way they treat her is reprehensible. They mock her repeatedly, verbally abuse her and detain her for a long time - all while the cops look on. When they finally reduce her to tears, you just feel sick for her. Then you want to sit those animals down to ask how they could do that to someone's mother. Just how does this behaviour further their demented agenda? Do they honestly think this helps anyone to empathize with their situation? They're wildly misguided. Treating someone that way is just evil.

Or, how about the guy who was mowing the lawn in a park so the little kids (5 year olds) could play their soccer game? Those CUPE terrorists circled him and dragged him off the lawn tractor. The guy? A grandfather of one of the little kids on the soccer team. That's animalistic behaviour. That's terrorizing someone. That's ASSAULT.

I hope the CUPE clowns who act this way rot in hell.

Liz
July 23, 2009 / 14:48

Sadly Courtney, you are not alone in this one. Things are so out of control. The stories - similar to yours - are sadly becoming the norm. I honestly don't understand how CUPE gets away with terrorizing people like they do. And the cops won't do a damn thing.

There is a horrible video on YouTube that shows these bastards terrorizing (yes, terrorizing) a woman trying to enter a parking garage. They way they treat her is reprehensible. They mock her repeatedly, verbally abuse her and detain her for a long time - all while the cops look on. When they finally reduce her to tears, you just feel sick for her. Then you want to sit those animals down to ask how they could do that to someone's mother. Just how does this behaviour further their demented agenda? Do they honestly think this helps anyone to empathize with their situation? They're wildly misguided. Treating someone that way is just evil.

Or, how about the guy who was mowing the lawn in a park so the little kids (5 year olds) could play their soccer game? Those CUPE terrorists circled him and dragged him off the lawn tractor. The guy? A grandfather of one of the little kids on the soccer team. That's animalistic behaviour. That's terrorizing someone. That's ASSAULT.

I hope the CUPE clowns who act this way rot in hell.

Anonymous
July 23, 2009 / 15:37

There are over 22 000 people on strike. You mention 2 incidents Liz, involving less than 0.1% percent of the two Locals. Of course these situtaions are news stories and YouTube *worthy*. Picketing is not that interesting to watch otherwise. And calling CUPE's agenda "demented" is a slap in the face for all workers. But, then again, it's easier to whine and complain about what other's have achieved over decades, then to go out and try to achieve it for yourselves. Courtney, if there is one thing we can agree on is that debating this with one another is fruitless. In a court of law, you would have a very difficult time proving you or you're rights were in any way violated, and that's why the police can't and won't do anything unless it turns into a physical altercation. And, as long as you have the option to leave, you cannot argue you were detained or imprisoned. Sure you were inconvenienced and treated rudely, but those aren't crimes. Please try and look at things from a different perspective. Tempers are flaring everywhere, but being calm and in control gets people alot further. Of course, nowadays people can sue over spilt coffee and tripping over their own feet, so what they heck do I know.

Drew
July 23, 2009 / 16:36

Shame! Shame! Shame!

Who's looking out for taxpayer Joe Citizen in all this? It's not David Miller. It's not the police. It's surely not the CUPE coward bullies who harrass people they have not a beef with.

I was already disgusted by David Miller and CUPE but the Police have shamed themselves and profoundly undermined their autority and tarnished their integrity.

So they enforce laws when it suits their politcial bent now? Maybe we should all just pick the laws that work for us and break the ones that don't?

Forcible confinement is a very serious criminal code offence yet the cops are letting it go because of their union affiliation???

We need to fix this broken system and city and fic it soom.

Argie
July 23, 2009 / 16:46

Liz writes: "Your?", "You're?" There's a difference, you know?
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That comment alone makes me love you. I mean 'love' in a admirable, respectful way....

Liz
July 23, 2009 / 17:38

Got to love it! Again, Argie you made me laugh. See what's happening? Those left leaners are bending my brain. I'll have to be more focused, less agitated. I'm weary.

Courtney
July 23, 2009 / 17:45

All of this impassioned discussion brings me back to my original point, the idea of legislating union member conduct during a strike.

The Province passing legislation that limits what a striker is permitted to do during a strike solves the problem. Any measure or behavior that one should know, or ought to know will disturb the peace should not be allowed.

Picketing – fine
Passing out information or offering a citizen the option to listen or not listen – no problem.

A line should be drawn when it comes to shouting at, humiliating or denigrating a citizen that is just going about their business.

A line should be drawn at surrounding an individual in their vehicle or in their person, damaging ones property etc…

If this were specifically legislated in the case of a strike and independent of the criminal code, well then if the police didn’t act, private citizens would have a much better and clearer avenue to hold the unions and their members accountable.

Not to say that they couldn’t be held legally accountable now, but something specific to strikes would erase the grey area around this issue and I think strikers may just think twice before behaving badly.

Of course this is easier said than done. It would involve lobbying the Provincial Government, starting with a massive petition.

Liz
July 23, 2009 / 22:38

Courtney - Honest to God, I might have to hire you. I believe you to be a truly sincere, honest, kind and good person. And you've been sullied by all that's going on.

Stay the course -you're suggesting positive things in the face of a truly soul destroying time.

And to Anonymous - while I might not agree with your views necessarily, I have to commend you for your balanced approach. You do look at both sides - as I do - although I only remark/vent on my side. We part company as we land on the other side of each other. The dialogue is productive though.

Thank you Mike for allowing the discourse. As I've written to you over the while, I thoroughly enjoy your blog. You are a thoughtful person, clearly a great Dad and a person like the rest of us who are just trying to do the best we can with what we have to work with - personally, professionally or otherwise.

It's been one hell of a week, hasn't it kids?

I might learn to play nice after all (but don't hold your breath).

Now, I've rented HBO's 'In Treatment' for tonight. People in therapy? It's quite the show. People are people after all, right?

Let's adjourn for the night. We'll leave well enough alone for now.

Here's hoping for a settlement that sounds like it could be in the works.

A post-mortem on this whole shake-down could be interesting. After all, my darling Tony Soprano was in Waste Management. And if upi stop to consider at all that he went through...

Jason Paris
July 24, 2009 / 12:14

Not really related, but I have to say it...

What's with all the American spelling?

Argie
July 24, 2009 / 12:48

Jason - Didn't anyone tell you - we're the 51st state in the union. Ya silly yank!

Courtney
July 24, 2009 / 13:36

I think its the Microsoft spell check ---- my editor always complains about it lol

Mike from Lowville
July 25, 2009 / 11:28

"I think its the Microsoft spell check ---- my editor always complains about it lol"

YOUR EDITOR!!! Something didn't feel quite right with your original post. Me thinks we've been bushwhacked people! Watch for a similar post in that rag the SHEEP love, The Toronto Sun, along with an asinine comment by her editor!

Courtney
July 25, 2009 / 14:53

I think you a right out to lunch Mike!

As I said in my original post I own a couple of small businesses.

One of my businesses is doing well and so I have a Communications Director. She is responsible for PR and yes Mike, editing out going correspondence and publications.

As you could see by the original post my companies name is Inside Solutions (Not the Toronto Sun) – Although I would love it the Toronto Sun published my article!

Does it bother you that I am somewhat successful and have staff Mike?

You seem to be quite a petty and small minded man with way too much time on his hands.

Good luck in life Mike – maybe you will achieve more success when you stop being so negative and might I add, ignorant!

Annemarie
July 25, 2009 / 21:29

I have a trial at 60 Queen Street West on Wednesday. I'm worried. :S Maybe the strike will end on Tuesday.

Chris
July 27, 2009 / 17:30

I dropped off garbage at the Ingram Transfer station last week. There were picketers making cars wait a VERY long time in line before dropping garbage. I think it is illegal for this to happen. I parked my car about 30 feet away from the line and carried my trash on foot up to the garbage truck that was being used. I asked the non-union people if I could do this first. They did NOT say yes. They didn't say "no" either. They said "Oh, you'll make the picketers mad". I told them I could care less if they got mad or not. They have no right to stop me. I sacraficed an hour of time with my children to do THEIR job (that I'm paying taxes for still).

I dropped my trash in the truck (it took me 2 trips total) and the picketers yelled at me. I smiled and went about my business. That's the key. I did not say anything negative towards them. I ignored them.

They were reasonably well behaved, but I have to say my adrenalin was pumping and I was unsure if they would physically confront me for "skipping the line".

I hope others have the confidence to do the same. Walk up on foot, drop trash, politely ignore the picketers.

I know this thread was not about garbage, but same idea here.

Has anyone seen picketers physically confront people who do what I did? I am shocked by another commenter who said some guy got hauled off a lawn mower for cutting the grass at the park.

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