Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 174: Marty York

Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 174In this 174th episode, Mike chats with Marty York about his controversial Tweets, his thoughts on sports media in 2016, his career at the Globe and Mail, TSN and Sportsnet and what he's up to now. He names names and answers everything. This episode is exactly 1:48:31.

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Aaron

Great get!

I can't wait to listen.

May 16, 2016 @ 10:22 PM

A

What a tire fire. Hearing him talk with the veil off paints quite a picture.

The notion that he reached out to Wilner to say "Hey…don't let this guy trap you" as an olive branch is as transparent as it is laughable. As that "guy"…I assure you I wasn't trying to "trap" anyone. He made a personal comment on a public forum about how Mike might've gotten his job and I was curious as to what his motivation was. I'm no fan of Wilner's, but he's not exactly stupid…nor is anyone else that reads what he wrote.

His insinuation that Mike didn't get the job on merit is straight up BS and potentially damaging to his reputation. Not cool. Making a comment like that about *anyone* when you don't have proof is out of line. My points were valid and yet he blocked me like a coward for engaging with him about it.

I haven't finished listening to the entire thing, but I hope you ask him why he selectively deletes tweets. Seems odd if you stand behind your opinion and it's all in fun. The ones he directed at me are gone, but the screenshots live on.

May 17, 2016 @ 1:41 AM

Anthony

'I haven't finished listening to the entire thing, but I hope you ask him why he selectively deletes tweets. '

Sadly Mike did not, but I think that we all know what Marty York is at this point, he's not in the limelight, so makes aggressive and outrageous statements to get back in. He's playing a role much like Bob McCown, its just that York is over the top with it and takes it to far.

I did chuckle a bit with the stories, every time Mike brought up someone that York didn't like, he threw out teams such as jealous to suggest why people 'got him fired'. Perhaps that could be the case in one situation, but all the people he mentioned, every single one of them are jealous of him? All pushed him away out of insecurity? Usually when the same outcome occurs under different variables, the constant is to blame. Everyone can't be jealous of him.

Im not sure even he believes it, again, he's playing a shtick, but I don't think he does it well enough to be effective at it, he doesn't know when to pull back and when to push forward.

May 17, 2016 @ 9:01 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I jotted down every question I was curious about. I didn't realize he was deleting tweets or that would have definitely been on the list. I can still ask him... I'll post his answer here.

On Twitter, Marty York seems like an ass. I was fully prepared to dislike the guy.

May 17, 2016 @ 9:16 AM

Steve

Well.... that explains the note I received while I was at the Jays game in 1993.

May 17, 2016 @ 9:22 AM

Elephant

I enjoy the podcast so I typically listen, but in this case I'm on the fence because I have little respect for Marty York as a journalist and a person, and frankly I'm content to let him disappear into the past rather than listen to him for nearly two hours. I am, however, open to being pleasantly surprised.

Given some of the comments, I suspect I'm not going to be, but I'll ask some questions for those who have listened:

1) Does York continue to blame others for his downfall, and claim that he was run out of the business because he didn't toe the line on local teams?

2) Does York continue to believe fans and media didn't like him because he was negative, or does he acknowledge that people didn't like him because questions were raised about his journalistic integrity?

3) Does York address the widely held belief that he fabricated many of the "scoops" he reported (which almost never came to fruition)?

4) Does York address allegations of plagiarism?

5) Does York address allegations by other members of the media that he didn't attend games, show up for scrums, etc.?

6) Does York come across, at all, like someone who recognizes his role in his own downfall?

As I said in the Open Mic, I think there's a very good story to be told, I just don't think York will tell it.

May 17, 2016 @ 9:47 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Elephant

I did ask him straight out if he plagiarized Gazette writer Michael Farber in '91. He addressed it.

I don't know if this story is good or not, I just know I had many questions and curiosities about York and wanted a long conversation to see what I could discover about what makes the man tick.

May 17, 2016 @ 9:53 AM

Anthony

@Elephant

Ill do my best to answer, not sure ill get to it all

1. York's claim was that he was pushed out by others insecurity and being jealous of him, not anything he has done.

2. Didn't hear anything about that.

3. Didn't hear anything about that

4. He did but he didn't really, it was 'everyones stuff reads the same after a while', or something to that effect.

5. Didn't hear anything about that

6. Not at all, it was everyone else's fault.


@Mike,

I'm pretty sure on your Elvis podcast you mentioned that York deleted a few tweets about how it was 'too little to late' after the trades for Tulo/Price. Not trying to be antagonistic, just what I remember hearing.

May 17, 2016 @ 10:06 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Anthony

You're right, I did say that. Sometimes I forget what I remember.

May 17, 2016 @ 10:12 AM

Alan

This is the fourth time I liked a guy better after his appearance.

1. Mike Wilner
2. Mike Richards
3. Steve Simmons
4. Marty York

Good job.

May 17, 2016 @ 10:22 AM

Mike

Great podcast! Love hearing Marty's opinions and stories. A refreshing take on the current Toronto sports landscape.

May 17, 2016 @ 10:25 AM

Anthony

@Mike

No issues. I don't think it would have mattered. I don't expect him to say 'jeez, your right I shouldn't have done that'. He's playing a role and offering a gimmick, is what it is.

May 17, 2016 @ 10:26 AM

Pete

I was debating whether to listen to this because I can't stand Marty nor his work, but figured I'd listen to see if he could persuade me in the slightest. In the same way I gave Mike Richards and Steve Simmons a chance to change my tune (the former did to an extent, the latter didn't).

Anyways, I've listened to half of this and nope, York just makes me dislike him even more. The man's not bitter -- he's flat out delusional. He's a pile of hot garbage both as a writer and a vindictive human being.

I have absolutely no use for Twitter, but York is one of those Twitter pussies I see. I highly doubt that the over one thousand people he has blocked have all attacked him personally as he suggests. Those in the media -- both current and former -- have no problem bringing bias in their many platforms they can to convey their message. But as soon as someone disagrees with them and/or calls them out on it, they can easily block them or delete their comments. Wusses.

May 17, 2016 @ 10:30 AM

Elephant

@Alan

What would you say made you like him better after listening to the podcast? (Honest question -- I'm not challenging.)

May 17, 2016 @ 10:52 AM

McNulty

I won't listen to this one. I won't feed a troll.

May 17, 2016 @ 12:18 PM

Steven

Count me in as one who fed the troll. Can't say Im surprised he passed over any kind of self awareness or blame, he does the same thing on social media.

Also count me in as one of those disappointed the topic of deleted tweets didn't come up. York proclaims that you need to have integrity in the world of journalism, deleting tweets goes against that statement.

May 17, 2016 @ 12:57 PM

Chris in EY

The Mount Rushmore of annoying Toronto sports media.

Mike Wilner - I know everything. Don't disagree with me.
Steve Simmons - I like soup.
Marty York - Hey kids, get off my lawn.
Damian Cox - I'm God, bow down before me.

Too many in Toronto sports "media" are bigger prima donnas than the players.

May 17, 2016 @ 1:05 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Steven

I've asked Marty about the deleted tweets. When he answers, I'll share it here.

May 17, 2016 @ 1:12 PM

James Edgar

I had no idea who he was before you announced he was an upcoming guest to tell the truth. I checked out his twitter feed and thought he was a troll. So I listened to a bit of the cast maybe a third. Still think he's a troll and his self proclaimed mission to be the contrary voice in Toronto media is not entirely necessary . I don't know about Wilner as i don't listen to the after game shows but the morning show and Mcowen and his guests have been pretty harsh on the raptors in this playoff run. And the jays were ripped into pretty good on the segment i heard yesterday.

May 17, 2016 @ 1:17 PM

Ben V

I don't watch much sports. I usually have a baseball game on in the background to listen to. However when it comes to watching sports I only tune into EPL or La Liga soccer on the weekend. I give all your podcasts a listen, but mainly wanted to see what the fuss was all about on this guy.

He does come off as a condescending prick. He doesn't sound remotely sincere in any word that comes from his mouth. Nothing is his fault it's everyone else's problem, he was trained to be unbiased blah blah blah. Then when you call him out on the Lowry part he deflects and say others say worse. That's the ultimate in weasel moves.

Also I've watched the Bautista slide about 15 times now and I don't know what Marty is seeing that others aren't. Clearly he's never bothered to watch Odor's slide last season where he didn't even go for the base, but that's neither here nor there. So I wouldn't sit there calling Bautista evil for that. As for the bat flip thing, it's no different than in any sport when you score a goal and yell @#$@ yeah to a player from another team or do a touch down dance in football. I know Ron Maclean didn't like the bat flip either, but he gets a pass, because he's actually a tremendous individual.

I don't think you've had someone on that was more in love with himself than this guy. His I'm a really nice guy statement was so rife with delusional sentiment. I'm surprised he actually didn't blurt out I'm the nicest guy I know. It's easy to be a nice guy when you go trolling on twitter like a coward, but cowards do as cowards do. I guess it's about trying to stay relevant or get a following out of being a dildo.

@ Toronto Mike: Marty didn't seem like he even gave a shit that he was on your podcast. He came off indifferent throughout the interview. Your show your guests, but this guest stunk. I'll stay tuned for the next one.

May 17, 2016 @ 1:53 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Ben V

Great feedback.

At least Marty York signs his own name to his tweets. The bulk of trolls I encounter on Twitter hide behind anonymous monikers.

Elvis might drop by Friday, Ron Hawkins of Lowest of the Low visits next week, Ingrid Schumacher from CHUM FM visits the next week.

p.s. I love the bat flip!

May 17, 2016 @ 2:14 PM

Quint

I don't think listening to this episode is "feeding the troll".

He'd never know if you listened or not.

@Toronto Mike

Would Marty York know how many listeners this episode has?

May 17, 2016 @ 2:19 PM

Steven

@Mike

Good to hear, not sure if ill believe the answer but thanks for doing so.

I concur with what Ben V said, he nailed his commentary. Ill give Steve Simmons credit, he came on and admitted some of his flaws (twitter),and at least seemed to be someone you could at least have a conversation with. But this guy, he seems to think he's perfect.

May 17, 2016 @ 2:44 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Quint

No, Marty York won't know how many downloads this episode has nor will he ever know who listened and who didn't.

May 17, 2016 @ 3:19 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I have an email reply from Marty about him deleting tweets.

The quote below is from him.

I don't recall which specific tweets were deleted by me, but I imagine I delete them when it's clear that they're incorrect. Like predictions. I'm wrong on them quite a bit. But I make them, usually because people ask me to make them.
May 17, 2016 @ 3:20 PM

Steven

Thanks for that Mike,

I don't think that would be the case, as you said, he deleted tweets that where derogatory to the Blue jays after they made the playoffs and a quick search of his mentions on twitter show that he deletes tweets often.

Can't force him to answer, I get that, but its to bad that someone who champions independent, honest media isn't more forthcoming with his answers.

May 17, 2016 @ 4:01 PM

Justin

Excited to give this pod a listen. I think Marty does this insane troll routine to try to get his name back to some semblance of relevancy. Surely these can't be his actual thoughts, can they? The Raptors are whiers, Bautista is evil, and Gibbons is about to be fired? Come on, Marty.

May 17, 2016 @ 4:41 PM

Anon&on

To borrow a Taggartism- that was greasy, really greasy.
I had no care, no opinion of York. Was never a Globe sports reader, and of all the Fan590 TSN people I've listened to and recognize, he is completely unmemorable. I recognize his name, that's about all.

Very unfortunate to have listened, he was better as unmemorable.
This ranks way way below the Cox episode.

I actually agree with his message to fans about putting sport personalities on a pedestal, but, I'd rather hear it from anyone else.

I'm left wondering... Mike, have you ever felt like ending a conversation, or turning off the mic and telling your guest it's over, thanks, goodbye?

May 17, 2016 @ 6:35 PM

Lezah

What was he insinuating about Hazel Mae? She liked to get close to people in sports? Hmmmm

May 17, 2016 @ 6:37 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Anon&on

WIth one female guest I did, and one male guest seemed to have little interest in talking beyond short "yes" and "no" type answers, so I ended it really early.

I've enjoyed almost all convos, including this one with Marty York. That might surprise some people, but I sincerely enjoyed his entire visit.

May 17, 2016 @ 6:42 PM

Alan

@Elephant

Well, I didn't like him at all based on his tweets and rep and after hearing him on Mike'd podcast I feel there's a method to his madness and I dislike him much less.

May 17, 2016 @ 7:16 PM

chris

Probably one of your best & worst podcasts. Best with questions & worst with answers.
Marty is an @$$h0le big time & he doesn't even realize it. A Jerk.

May 17, 2016 @ 7:24 PM

Steven

@Justin, Im pretty sure thats the case. Even look at him now, if he has that much anger in him then its not healthy

May 17, 2016 @ 9:20 PM

thedewover

I think the way I feel about Marty York was summed up as he answered the first question. During his response he made mention of the fact that he had tweeted, "The Raptors-Heat game today is dull," on Sunday. He said that he tweeted it because one team, in this case the Raptors, had such a lead that it made the game boring to him. The problem with him is that if the score had been tilted the other way his tweets likely wouldn't have merely been that the game was dull. He would've prattled on about the homers in the media and junkies believing in a team that can't get it done. Ultimately in his attempt to "make things right" by providing an alternative "non-homer" voice he goes too far. It would go a long way to earn credibility/respect if could find a way to acknowledge when things are going well with local teams. It's because he seemingly can't ever find a positive thing to say that I can't take him seriously when he says he is objective. He is far, far from objective. All of that said, you did a very good job digging for answers and asking some tough questions.

May 17, 2016 @ 9:48 PM

Geoff

York blocked me for retweeting his "Heat in 5" tweet. Oddly - he has this really strange dude on Twitter that follows him around like a puppy dog who blocked me too... He's a very sad and angry man but for some reason I couldn't help but listen to the whole thing
@mike good on you for not laughing out loud at him. One of your best for sure - thanks

May 17, 2016 @ 9:57 PM

Justin

@Mike

I can guess the male you're talking about is Kid Craig. What a bizarre, bizarre podcast that was through no fault of your own. Half an hour in I thought "wtf, how is this guy an on-air radio personality" and turned it off. I think that's the one and only time I started a podcast of yours and purposefully didn't listen to the rest to be honest.

May 18, 2016 @ 3:53 AM

Jason from Sudbury

Ah, yes I remember the Kid Craig podcast. Yeah that was a bit strange.

May 18, 2016 @ 9:06 AM

Wally

Never followed Marty York until I head this podcast and decided to give it a shot and follow him on Twitter.

That lasted 2 days.

I actually agree with some opinions and have no problem with the opinions I don't agree with. My issue is that he constantly claims to be impartial but will only take the negative-impartial side to opinions. Being impartial means you have no attachment to the team which hypothetically should warrant some impartial positive observations about other teams or the sport in general. Yet his timeline is full of negativity and focused on Toronto teams. I want critical observations of the Toronto teams, but I also expect praise when they do something right (like winning a Game 7 in the playoffs).

Disappointed with his approach to social media.

May 18, 2016 @ 10:54 AM

Scott Eric

I thought he came off well on your podcast and certainly sounded a lot more reasonable than he does online. It just doesn't square with what he tweets though. He claimed to be objective, as if offering a service to Toronto sports fans, but yet constantly bashes us by calling us junkies. If he was truly being an objective journalist he would not only say when the teams are doing things right, but point out ways the teams could improve. He's entitled to his opinions and to wage war with the fans if he wants to, he should just be honest about it.

May 18, 2016 @ 11:32 AM

BFD

Long time lurker, first time poster, but I felt inclined to post. I really didn't want to give this podcast a listen. The two words "Marty York" usually have me rolling my eyes and then clicking somewhere else. but I gave it a shot. About twenty minutes in I gave up...for most of the reasons already listed. Marty York is to media as Frank D'Angelo is to acting.

May 18, 2016 @ 12:20 PM

Irv

Just a few notes on this thread as I watch with interest.

1. Sports fans who are notoriously opinionated take exception to a sports writer who..is notoriously opinionated but questions their beliefs.

2. One of the more active podcast threads on this forum in a long time. Further, this guys added dozens of new followers on Twitter since this podcast.

I recall this big shot media dude once telling me that if you're media, you're successful if you illicit a response from others (good or bad). By all accounts this guy is #winning.

You've heard of Lady Gaga, right? She was on the Live Lounge on Radio 1 years ago and sang a few songs. Later, she recorded a jazz record with Tony Bennett. In both cases it's clear she has a very good voice. Someone asked her why she did such outrageous things such as wearing a meat dress. Her response was that prior to being outrageous no one noticed her. In short, her "good voice" really meant nothing to most people. It was the outlandish behaviour that caught everyone's attention.

So maybe Marty York is just smart? He knows his incendiary behaviour will attract your attention & you'll have to comment? I mean, it's a noisy world out there and getting people's attention is tough. Can you blame him? And is having blunt opinions really that much of a crime? Or is the crime you don't agree with him? If he was an over the top Toronto sports fan ass kisser would he still be the villain that he is?

Because strong opinions are strong opinions regardless it's just people only see them as bad when they disagree with them. And that's the real problem. If you really don't like the guy why not just tune him out entirely?

May 18, 2016 @ 1:24 PM

fourteen

Hey, Irv, that's what I was thinking as well. Why get so bothered by the guy? If you like him, follow him; if you do not, do not. Real simple.

May 18, 2016 @ 2:10 PM

Steven

@Irv

Interesting theory, here's the issue however. He's not employed by anyone and has less followers on twitter then my brother, who is a no body (I like him, but he is a nobody lol). He may attract attention but its not turning into anything, 500 twitter followers is nothing for most media people.

So wheres the strategy here?

May 18, 2016 @ 2:20 PM

Wally

@Irv

I do think having a strong opinion will get you noticed and that Marty may be smart in making the comments he does.

My distaste for him is that he claims to be a "nice guy and impartial" but only talks about the negative side of any topic. Being impartial doesn't mean a guy has to be an asshole. Impartiality implies no emotional connection and as such by the sheer law of averages both positive and negative impartial comments should result. In Marty's case that doesn't happen, it's all negative.

May 18, 2016 @ 2:37 PM

Irv

@Wally

I agree with you but in modern times I think you reap more by being negative. The sad truth of our society is we see negative things as legitimate. We tend to view nice things as being staged. That's not surprising given the amount of misinformation and "staged" good things we see happening. SURRRREEE Taylor Swift ran into a suicidal girl in a park and saved her life, blah blah blah.

I've only listened to 1 full TM podcast, but I think I will listen to this one too.

May 18, 2016 @ 2:47 PM

Wally

@Irv

Fair point. Perhaps Marty really is an intelligent individual and posts only negative comments for the attention and publicity.

May 18, 2016 @ 4:00 PM

Argie

My opinion is similar to many here. I enjoy an outspoken, non-politically correct media guy but his views always seem to be one-sided. He hates the Jays, The Raps, The T.O. media and the "junkies" who follow them.

The one thing I thought that was strange he said was that he kept reminding us that the Globe hired him when he was 15. Working for a national newspaper at 15 years old??? Was he delivering the newspaper? Must be.

May 18, 2016 @ 4:06 PM

Jenn

@Irv

Doing the Toronto Mike'd podcast (no offence Mike) is the most pub this guy has gotten in years. That may say something about his smart strategy over the past 2 to 3 years.

May 18, 2016 @ 5:25 PM

Irv

@Jenn

I never said the guy was popular. I pointed out earlier, I don't follow sports nor listen/read anything to do with any sports. I pointed out he had very few Twitter followers (which doesn't mean that much in the greater scheme of things).

But, if his GAME is popularity & keeping his name out there, being a troll/highly opinionated makes more sense than being nice or, dear God, logical. Regardless, he was clearly once a well known writer and those people remember him for his strong opinions. So it only makes sense for him to keep up that type of persona (assuming it is a persona).

For the record I'm not defending the guy. I don't know who he is and as I said above, I have no attachment to sports. But there is lots of evidence that being outlandish, outspoken, etc works. A lot of times it's the fact the person is outlandish that makes them a "celebrity". Strip away the outlandish behaviour & there is nothing.

@Steven: I hear your point about him not being unemployed by traditional media. But that can be said of a lot of people, many of them talented. The media industry is being decimated & will soon mostly disappear. From what I read he challenges the media and sports radio. Those are industries run by 100 year old men & they're not interested in hearing about their failures. You either kiss their ass or you don't work again.

On the Twitter thing, I don't know when this guy wrote in the paper, etc. But social media followers/views is a very recent thing. If you go on Youtube today you'll find mediocre music that has more listens than some of the most popular songs in history. It's all about what generation it happened in. He was likely "pre-Twitter" (assuming Twitter even has a generation)

May 18, 2016 @ 5:56 PM

Steven

@Irv

I guess I may not have articulated myself. You suggested it was a smart move by him to play the 'contrarian' view, to be someone who instigates, to get his name out there. I simply offered a rebuttal that how smart can that be? He's unemployed, hasn't been relevant in years and come across poorly in every media he touches. What Bob McCown does is smart, he plays a role, Marty seems to try to do the same thing, but he's not SMART enough to know when and when not to push things, thats my point. If it was working, he'd have been hired by now. He's gone so far to the one side that he's almost a parody of himself now.

Regarding twitter, it doesn't matter when you started, it matters how you use it. Even at their trolling best Steve Simmons and Damien Cox had 100k followers simply because they where RELEVANT, York using all the time, and only having 500 followers speaks to his relevance in the media world. Twitter is very good for that. I think Andrew Walker's producer has 4 times that. If your important, people follow you.

May 18, 2016 @ 6:29 PM

Sid_V

The Blue Jays charity auction is giving away a "media experience" where you get to sit in the booth with the crew and participate. Current bid is $4000. If enough to us chip in, we can get Marty into the Blue Jays broadcast booth alongside the Homers and Jays Junkies... that would be well worth the price! Did somebody say tire fire?

May 18, 2016 @ 9:13 PM

Irv

@Steven

Given this guy seems to frequently attack mainstream sports media he's not going to get a job even if he was the second coming of Christ. No corporation is going to hire a shit disturber. It's like imagining Ezra Levant might go work for mainstream media. He's bitten the hand that feeds him (as has York) and he's not welcome back. So saying he's not working isn't really indicative of his relevance or talent. Media is in severe consolidation and free thinkers aren't welcome in that environment. It's like hiring a cab driver to run Uber.

As for him not having many Twitter followers, I disagree. To many people he's just another Joe Average. Without a platform he has no way to get his message out. Andrew Walkers producer has 4 times as many followers because it's success by association. Strip away his job and he's nothing on the medium.. Justin Beiber has a cousin or something named Rob Beiber. He's got 50 000 followers on Twitter. Again, success by affiliation. I'd guess if Marty York had a radio or media gig he'd probably have a lot more. Example? Is it coincidence that Marty's appearance on this podcast added some 70 people to his Twitter? NO offense to the podcast creator, but this podcast isn't mainstream. Imagine if this podcast had 1 million listeners. How many people would have added Marty on Twitter?

What's clear is that the people who REMEMBER him from his media past have strong opinions after all this time. Say what you want man but that's success. If you got haters, you are successful. The only hope he ever has of having a monster following is to do things on his own sort of what like Ezra Levant did with The Rebel. And him coming on this podcast makes lots of sense.

Maybe he should have a sex tape.

May 18, 2016 @ 11:41 PM

Steven

@Irv

I think we're at a stalemate, so there's no point in continuing past this comment, plus, I've spend way to much contemplating Marty York then I'm comfortable with. Two points.

1. Regarding twitter. Your correct to an extent, yet there are many successful independent media people, @1236 as an example, who have created a decent following without the branding of a Rogers or Bell. He does it right. He has 4 times the following of York as well, without the backup. Toronto Mike has 5k followers, he's independent too. If York was 'doing it right', he could still have a following, but he's not.

2. The only reason I even really commented back to you was when you called his strategy smart. As I said previously, Bob McCown is smart, he plays the contrarian and does it well. Marty York isn't smart, he doesn't understand when and when not to push/pull, he doesn't have a strategy and if he does, its not a smart one. He made himself untouchable by any main stream media company because he tweets and comments out of anger/frustration, not intelligence. By making himself untouchable, where does the 'smart' come in. He's only relevant because Toronto Mike interviewed him, next week he'll be nothing again. Sorry, I don't see smart here. He's allowed himself to become untouchable.

Regardless, thanks for the dialog, like I said, too much York for me, I have other more pressing things to do then debate the relative merits of his 'smart' strategy.

May 19, 2016 @ 8:57 AM

Elephant

Well, I gave it a listen. He really doesn't come off well at all. For the first while I thought he sounded all right, but he just kept on doing his thing and came off as a bit of a jerk, seemed somewhat delusional, and frequently contradicted himself.

He says he tries to be a contrarian. That, in itself, would be a very honest and very okay thing to say ... if he weren't also claiming to be objective. It occurred to me that he doesn't know what "objective" means. It doesn't mean "being a contrarian." It doesn't mean "don't be a homer." Being the opposite of a "homer" isn't objective either.

(To be clear, I have no problem with "negative." I like having a mix of positive and negative. I like input from a negative perspective. It gives me balance in my reading/listening.)

It's weird that he spends so much time talking about baseball, since it isn't his strength. I would have preferred to hear him talk more about the CFL, which has always struck me as his strong area. He's actually pretty weak on baseball knowledge and understanding. (His comment that Bautista is affected by the attention to the bat flip and that's why he's struggling is just one of many examples. Even when you get past the preposterous notion that the bat-flip attention is affecting him ... Bautista isn't actually struggling this year. He had an .844 OPS going into last night's game. .844 is not struggling. It's pretty darn good. Has he had bad stretches? Sure ... because every player has good and bad stretches. But overall, to have an .844 OPS is a good year. Can he do better? Yep ... but no one "struggles" to a mid-.800s OPS. York seems to be rooted in the archaic notion that batting average is an effective measure of a player. It's a decent secondary stat in certain instances, but generally a poor measure, and particularly so in the case of a player like Bautista.)

He also says Gregg Zaun is the only objective person in Toronto sports media. That's nonsense, of course. Baseball alone ... look at Richard Griffin. Look at Shi Davidi ... whose work York admits he's unfamiliar with. Hell, listen to all the people he didn't know anything about during the name-game near the end. He doesn't know many at all, and almost no one recent. He's not even qualified to comment on the objectivity of the Toronto media if he doesn't know who most of them are.

And on the plagiarism, he sounded ridiculous. He said that he memorized what Farber wrote and then wrote it down. Well, you know what that's called? Plagiarism. It doesn't matter if you have the article in front of you as you're writing; if you memorize what someone wrote and then write it in your own article, it's plagiarism. But York tried to make a case that it wasn't, and then started into his people-were-out-to-get-me rant. Because they were jealous of him.

And that last bit is pretty much what I expected. Blame others. They're all jealous.

May 19, 2016 @ 9:21 AM

Elephant

I should add that while I'm critical of York, I think Mike did an excellent job. One of the things I like about the podcast is that Mike is a good interviewer. He asks the tough questions, provides context, has good instincts for nostalgia, and gives his guests an opportunity to be likable. (And Mike himself seems to want to like everyone who takes the time to be on the podcast.) Only so much can be done -- the guests are who they are -- but at the very least, people who liked York before probably still like him after listening.

May 19, 2016 @ 9:34 AM

Rob J

'The people who liked York before listening probably still like him.' This is true.

May 19, 2016 @ 9:56 AM

Irv

@Steven

I agree. And I still have to listen. Maybe I'll podcast it in the car. There is no radio where I live.

May 19, 2016 @ 10:36 AM

Scott Eric

Bob McCown doesn't insult his audience, the fans. Marty York does. That's the biggest problem in my opinion.

May 19, 2016 @ 10:47 AM

Rob J

@Scott Eric
"Bob McCown doesn't insult his audience, the fans". Best use of sarcasm I've read in a long time!

May 19, 2016 @ 12:26 PM

Peanut Gallery

@Elephant - Shi Davidi is a homer. Griffin can be critical, but Zaun is the most objective because he's in a position where he cannot lose.

As for Bautista struggling...well, he's struggling. Drive the ball, drive in runs, win games. The OPS argument cannot mask the underwhelming performance of him and the rest of the team.

May 19, 2016 @ 1:57 PM

Anonymous

@ Peanut Gallery,

Well, there's more than the OPS argument. I'm not sure WHAT you're arguing. "Drive the ball"? He's doing that. OPS shows that. SLG shows that, and while his SLG could be better and has been, it's still strong and well above league average.

Drive in runs? I hope you're not talking about RBIs, because RBIs are not an individual stat, they're a team stat. You can't drive in runs without having players on base and Bautista can't affect who gets on base in front of him. If you want to know how good he is at "driving in runs," you have to look at how he performs with runners on base.

So, when runners are in scoring position, his numbers actually go up. His batting average (one of the few cases where batting average is relevant) is .294. His OBP .480. His SLG .559. Those are elite with runners in scoring position. He's doing a great job "driving in runs."

And with "men on base," his numbers are a little better than that, even. The problem is he's only come to the plate 39 times with men on base. Only 29 times with men in scoring position. He can hardly be blamed for that what happens before he comes to the plate.

The team's performance is underwhelming? Absolutely. And there are real reasons for concern the offence won't rebound in the way they need to. There are real reasons to think the bullpen will continue to stink. And there are real reasons to think the rotation has overperformed and will regress. But Bautista is not the reason for any of this.

May 19, 2016 @ 2:13 PM

Elephant

Sorry, that "Anonymous" was me -- forgot to type in my username.

Also, I typed in the wrong numbers for when Bautista has come to the plate with runners on base (should be 86) and in scoring position (should be 50). The other numbers -- which are elite numbers -- are correct.

May 19, 2016 @ 2:16 PM

Bob Canuck

@Elephant,

Thanks for injecting some facts re Bautista. To paraphrase Stephen Colbert, it is a well-known fact that reality can be found at FanGraphs / Baseball-Reference.

May 19, 2016 @ 3:19 PM

Elephant

@ Bob Canuck

My pleasure. I actually enjoy talking about this sort of thing -- baseball was my first love in life.

I had a look at my post, though, and realized that some of it reads as, perhaps, a bit condescending, so, @ Peanut Gallery, if you see any such tone in there, understand that it wasn't intentional -- I'm not into online arguments but enjoy discussions, and it's the latter I was going for.

May 19, 2016 @ 3:47 PM

Il Duce

As far as entertainment, this has to be one of your best shows Mike. This interview had Nascar/ train wreck all over it, well done!

I enjoyed Marty's writing when he was with the Globe but had little respect for him. Having heard him for almost 2 hours here, I respect him even less and have come to the conclusion he is completely delusional. Listening to some of his stories reminded me of being in grade 3 and having a classmate tell us his uncle was a UFO pilot.

He should write fiction novels, complete fucking bullshit, but highly entertaining.

May 20, 2016 @ 2:33 PM

Stephanie

I honestly thought the Marty York twitter feed was a parody account, true story.

May 24, 2016 @ 9:38 AM

Adam

I'm a little late to the game here, but man, both the interview and the comments were entertaining. Well done, Mike. I doubt I'd have the patience to deal with Toronto Sports Clown Marty York. And kudos for calling him out on his Josh Donaldson ridiculousness a couple days ago. I had a few choice words, but, like so many others who dare to speak the truth and call Marty out, I've been blocked.

It's obvious Marty has some serious mental issues. I don't think he was ever respected much as a journalist, but to go from that to the worst kind of internet trolling is quite the achievement. He hates Toronto sports fans/Rogers/MLSE with a passion and apparently gets off on riling the fan base up. It's extremely childish. Watching him and his sidekick RobJ act like a couple of doorknobs in an attempt to fill some sort of gaping hole in their psyche is quite the sight.

I do hope you have him back on, though the deeper the hole he digs, the less chance there is for him to explain away his stupidity, so I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Regards!

July 4, 2016 @ 12:24 AM

Anonymous

False. @BringerOfRain20 thru 72 gms:
2015: 17HR 46RBI 182B 56R 26BB .899OPS
2016: 17HR 46RBI 182B 61R 47BB .956OPS https://t.co/zPAQL9AxWq

— Toronto Mike (@torontomike) July 1, 2016
July 4, 2016 @ 8:29 AM

Geoff

@Adam the Robj comment is hilarious.

July 4, 2016 @ 9:01 PM

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