Talking to Your Children About Rob Ford

Talking to Your Children About Rob FordThe following is two comments I made on today's Open Mike. They were written quickly but from the heart following an intense discussion with my two kids as I took them to school this morning.

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Driving my kids to school today, my 11-year old son asked me if Rob Ford's father owned a park.

I asked him why...

He proceeded to tell me a story he heard from a friend at school. Apparently this tale was told in the schoolyard and these 11-year olds couldn't believe it.

The story was that Rob Ford and a buddy would go to a nearby park named for his father and drink booze all night, then they would smash the glass bottles in the park.

That's when it hit me... why I find it so upsetting that Rob Ford acts this way as mayor. That story was almost all completely true. There are thousands and thousands of impressionable kids in this city who are literally being told by their moms and dads to "not be like the mayor". Don't abuse drugs and alcohol, don't drink and drive, don't lie, don't smash bottles in public parks and respect and work well with others.

Don't be like Rob Ford. It is indeed very, very sad. Our hopes and dreams for our children is that they not grow up to be like the mayor of Toronto.

This discussion launched a big "disrespectful and inappropriate things our mayor does" conversation with both of my kids.

We talked about the lack of accountability, the drug and alcohol abuse, the bully tactics, the disrespect for parks, the drinking and driving, the constant lies and denials, the homophobic slurs, the racial slurs and the enabling by his brother.

It was this discussion with my kids about the realities of our current situation that made me realize how horrific it's all become, and they were spared the potential ties to murders, beatings and extortion.

This isn't fun, nor funny. This is sad and ugly.

2013-01-20 12.57.18


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markosaar

This is why I just don't understand "Ford Nation". Can't they find a better person to be their non-pinko-commie-leftie-taxpayer-respecting-represents-regular-folk-with-six-figures-and-beautiful-families-and-suburban-homes-blah-blah-blah??

He's some kind of "populist" avatar, yet totally undeservedly. Even Stintz would be better, though I lost any respect for her with her Scarborough subway capitulation.

November 5, 2013 / 10:07

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@markosaar

Exactly. Rob Ford isn't even the Rob Ford they want to back:

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/11/05/john-moore-rob-ford-never-was-rob-ford/

Rob Ford was always a nice idea: a fiscal hawk who was going to roll up his sleeves and straighten out the city hall of Canada’s biggest city. He would re-invent civic government and watch every dollar, apply common-sense private-sector practices, and shrink Toronto’s administration down to just the right size.

In practice, Rob Ford has done none of this since his election in 2010, but his fervent supporters were so enamored with the idea of Rob Ford that they became complicit in covering up for real-life-Rob-Ford’s failures.

November 5, 2013 / 10:13

elvis

Ha! Billy Crystal!

November 5, 2013 / 10:19

Rick2

Rob Ford will not address the crack scandal directly. He must think we are all a bunch of idiots. He is standing behind "if I did something illegal, arrest me". Are you innocent until proven guilty? One should be. The fact that Ford does not address the crack situation directly, is leading people to brand him as guilty. If I was in the same situation, I would immediately make sure it was quite clear, that I did not smoke crack. If all I could offer was a "no comment", then I have to live with what comes with that. Now, he is asking Blair to resign. As far as I'm concerned, the Ford brothers are completely responsible for this mess, whether he did in fact smoke crack, or not.
The clowns are running the circus.

November 5, 2013 / 10:22

Sammy

I've been reading for the better part of a decade and this might be my favourite post yet.

It's spot on and sincere.

Thank you for this. I'm sharing it with my friends and family on Facebook.

November 5, 2013 / 10:36

Nigel Trousershrapnel

"almost all completely true"?
What a fantastic analogy for all the stuff that Rob Ford is alleged to have done!
So as a responsible parent you clarified what was fact and what was speculation, correct? You told them it was wrong to make assumptions based on unproven facts. Wrong to jump to conclusions. Wrong to connect the dots before the whole story is out.
Irresponsible to do otherwise. I'm sure thousand and thousands of impressionable kids in this city who are literally being told this by their moms and dads.
Decide in haste, repent in leisure.

November 5, 2013 / 10:38


markosaar

@Nigel Trousershrapnel:

Your capacity for self-delusion is astounding. You would never hold a "left-wing" politician to this standard. Just shut the fuck up already.

November 5, 2013 / 10:44

Charron

Well written and thoughtful.

Thanks.

November 5, 2013 / 11:04

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@markosaar,
Not lefty or righty. Just a strong dislike for the lynch-mob mentality. Not saying he's guilty or not guilty. I (me) need a bit more to draw my own conclusions. Don't know why that pisses you off so much, but you are welcome to your opinion.
He's not your guy. I get that, but those of us who aren't as intelligent as you, need more.
Mind you, you don't win an argument by telling those who disagree with you to "shut the fuck up".
What kind of example is that for impressionable kids?

November 5, 2013 / 11:06

Argie

@mark
Wow, you seem awfully worked up about this. Nigel is spot on. At this stage, most of what's been reported are accusations. Do you not understand the difference between accusation and fact???

In case you don't:
accusation = a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.
fact = a thing that is known or proved to be true.

November 5, 2013 / 11:10

Geoff

I really don't think any kid looks to Mayors as roll models. I'd be more concerned about celebrity and sport pro's antics.

November 5, 2013 / 11:18

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

Tell us, what exactly were Ford and Lisi exchanging so covertly? What were they trying to cover up?

What about that video do you think is in dispute?

What were Ford and Lisi discussing the day Smith was murdered or the crack house resident was beat with a pipe?

How did Ford get to the Danforth where he was "hammered"?

And as for lies, there are several undisputed major ones at this point. The claim there was no video (the video exists), the denial about being drunk (he now says he was hammered) and the letter on his letterhead claiming Lisi worked on his campaign (he didn't). Oh yeah, and the denial he was arrested for drunk driving and was drunk and belligerent at a Leafs game.

Ford is no victim. Get your head out of the sand and stop trolling on my blog, please.

November 5, 2013 / 11:19

Alex

Wow.

Wow, wow, wow.

Great post with challenged comments. Do people like Argie and Nigel really exist?

Talk about blinders... and low standards. SMH

November 5, 2013 / 11:27

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@Toronto Mike,
Interesting (www.sribd.com). Seems like a lot of effort spent on a bunch of circumstantial stuff.

November 5, 2013 / 11:37

Nigel Trousershrapnel

Alex,
Wow?
Briliant retort.
I am humbled by your comment.
People like Argie and I really exist.
43% of Toronto are like-minded individuals.

November 5, 2013 / 11:41

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Nigel

That same poll you quote (and we all know how inaccurate polls have become) also shows when it came to the question of Ford resigning, 73 per cent of Toronto/East York region voters overwhelming said the Mayor should step down, followed by North York at 60 per cent, Etobicoke/York with 52 per cent and Scarborough with 47 per cent.

November 5, 2013 / 11:48

Argie

@Mike
I'm not trolling. I may be spoiling your party but I'm not doing this to be a jerk. If I'm being rude, call me on it but don't accuse me of trolling.

Obviously, you don't like to be challenged.

November 5, 2013 / 11:50

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

I believe you're intentionally dense in an effort to be a contrarian and garner a response.

I don't believe you actually approve of the job Ford is doing or the way he conducts himself. I believe your expectations are higher than that.

November 5, 2013 / 11:51

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@Toronto Mike,
Never said he shouldn't step down. I've only asked for due process.
Stepping down is his call to make however, and there is nothing anyone else can do about it.
and,
I don't like having my existence challenged! Don't like to get existential this early in the week. Question my existence on Saturday. Much better day for me to go deep.

November 5, 2013 / 11:59

Argie

@Mike
As I've stated before, Ford has a ton of personal issues. There's no denying that. However until these accusations become fact, I'm not going to participate in slandering him.

Once or if they become fact, I will acknowledge them and declare Ford to be a complete disaster. I promise.

November 5, 2013 / 12:00

Andrew

It's official… Rob Ford admits to smoking crack cocaine. He just admitted it after council sets motion to remove most of his powers.

Get the popcorn ready….

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-councillors/article15263319/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-ford-councillors/article15263319/

November 5, 2013 / 12:26

Ben Vidal

CROW PIE is ready for Argie, Nigel and Speyside. Come and get it while it's hot. Or all of you are going to continue to be delusional?

November 5, 2013 / 12:32

Randy

Most politicians hold themselves to a much higher standard than Mr. Ford.
If he had any decency he would resign.

November 5, 2013 / 12:33

Ben Vidal

Is it safe now to call him a lying piece of shit?

November 5, 2013 / 12:33

Argie

That's pretty bad. The public urination and public drunkenness pale in comparison.

Should he step down? Maybe.

November 5, 2013 / 12:36

Argie

@Ben
I can't believe any politician would lie. Can you?

November 5, 2013 / 12:39

Andrew

@Ben…

Yup you can…I won't. I think he has people in his life who've told him he can do no wrong and employ the old Lance Armstrong tactic. Deny, Deny, Deny, apologize, grovel, seek redemption, survive.

I think he needs to do the honourable thing and step down so he can go and seek treatment for whatever demons he might have. Perhaps getting rid of his brother would be a good start. I hope Doug Ford resigns. I think he is a deplorable human for his way of going about doing things and the such.

I'm guessing there will be lots more that comes up today, we've only just begun as The Carpenters used to sing…

Cheers,
Andrew

November 5, 2013 / 12:39

Ben Vidal

@ Andrew: I agree that Doug ford should go as well. He's much more evil than Ford. Someone has eff on their face after demanding that Blair should step down.

@ Argie: I was waiting for your deflection and Nigel's. You beat him to the chase.

November 5, 2013 / 12:44

Argie

@Ben
What deflection? I said it was "pretty bad". What else do you want?

November 5, 2013 / 12:46

Andrew

@ Ben,

With Doug going off of the Chief of Police this morning and then Rob answering the question finally, I wonder what his reaction was? I get the feeling Doug Ford is the kingpin behind all of this and Rob was just easy, malleable clay for him to mould.

I still think there is going to be a lot more to come out of the investigation and don't be surprised if someone gets sent down the river without a paddle.

At this point, I hope he gets the help for whatever demons he has and for his families sake.

Andrew

November 5, 2013 / 12:50

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@Ben Vidal,
Eat Crow pie for what?
Giving a guy the benefit of the doubt?

Admitting it is a tough step to make for anyone.
I like what Andrew said, "you can call him that, but I won't".

Your comments are pretty sad. More of a reflection on you than anything else.

November 5, 2013 / 12:51

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - you said

Argie
November 5, 2013 / 12:00

@Mike
As I've stated before, Ford has a ton of personal issues. There's no denying that. However until these accusations become fact, I'm not going to participate in slandering him.

Once or if they become fact, I will acknowledge them and declare Ford to be a complete disaster. I promise.

...So, since Ford has admitted to smoking crack, I think we're waiting for you to admit Ford is a complete disaster.

November 5, 2013 / 12:53

Andrew

@ Nigel,

And now that he has admitted to doing what he's denied for so long about not doing or not remembering doing it, he needs to step down, get help and remove all the people from his life that are causing him pain. If he doesn't, then he deserves what he gets. I come from a family with a history of alcohol abuse, you as the person needs to be the one to finally admit to yourself that you need help. If people around him (and I suspect there are) keep telling him he's fine, then he'll think he's fine.

This should have happened months ago before the reputation of the city was dragged under… I just did a quick check of all the major papers websites and this story is the first headline… CNN, USA Today, New York Times, all the Canadian dailies, Washington Post, etc, etc.

People can be on the left, on the right, I really don't care about that side of politics. What I care about is getting the work of the city done without interference and that's not what's been happening for a long time. It's funny, I don't even live in TO anymore but I still care about it's reputation which has been getting the shit kicked out of it fore months and months.

I want him to get better. I want him to recover and if he comes back and tries again and people vote for him, so be it. A lot of the greatest stories ever written are about loss and redemption. I hope his can be one of them.

Cheers,
Andrew

November 5, 2013 / 13:05

Argie

@Andrew
Great post.

As for resigning, I think he should at the very least take a leave.

Let Denzel Minnan-Wong take over. He's actually much more conservative than Ford. I'm OK with him as mayor.

November 5, 2013 / 13:08

Speysidephil

Ford should resign and get the help he needs. But let's not forget about the good he has done for Toronto compared to the spend, tax, and union love ins that Miller created.
Ford should run again in 2014 and win handily.
So while all of you lefties for all over each other in jubilation, and I eat a little crow pie, just remember the guy needs help, not attacks or smart ass comments.

November 5, 2013 / 13:24

Mr. Beach

So, Ford's biggest achievement are privatized garbage pick-up and (maybe) a tax increase for subway construction.

How come no one is asking, who's the Tony Soprano of Toronto and how close is he to Rob Ford or Ford's friends?

Look, now Toronto really has passed Montreal....

November 5, 2013 / 13:25

Lorne

@Speysidephil: Many of us have said for a very long time, "Dude is not fit to lead. Best thing for him and his health is to get clean now before this spirals out of control. Stop being his own worst enemy, come back and do the job he said he'd do".

That is still true. Except for the "good he has done". I will refer you to Mike's early linked article about "Rob Ford is not Rob Ford".

November 5, 2013 / 13:26

Ben Vidal

@ Nigel: No he's a terrible human being and his past track record shows. He's a liar through and through and lashes out at anyone and everyone and hurls insults and degrades people and has his "Ford Nation" go after them . He's a bully. He's rude. He's homophobic. He's racist and ignorant(just for you Argie. He's a drunk. Oh and did I say a liar, not just about his nefarious activities, but about his accomplishments as well.

Lastly he doesn't care about Ford Nation. If he did he wouldn't have continued this farce for as long as he has. He wouldn't have let people stand up for him and put their name on the line when he was lying. It says everything about him.

He's been given plenty of due process in his time. He's been given plenty of opportunity to be open and transparent. He takes all of that and pisses all over the voters of Toronto and over everyone that cares about him.

Lastly as a politician and what he was striving for I agreed with a number of his initiatives, subways aside. So this isn't a left wing vendetta.

November 5, 2013 / 13:26

Anonymous

@Mr Beach

There is a Tony Soprano Mr. Beach. And when it's opened it'll make Crackgate pale in comparison. #trustme

November 5, 2013 / 13:39

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@Ben Vidal,
Never said it was a left wing vendetta. Please have the courtesy to read my posts before you react to them.

Read Andrew's last post.
That's the adult response.

“I think that hate is a feeling that can only exist where there is no understanding.”
― Tennessee Williams -

November 5, 2013 / 14:19

Franco

Can everyone please stop paying attention to Argie?

November 5, 2013 / 14:24

Lorne

@Franco: Just putting this here. That's all.

November 5, 2013 / 14:27

Argie

Yes Franco, I'm the one with the personal attacks.

November 5, 2013 / 14:27

Mississauga Phil

@ Franco/ Lorne - Guys, Argie really isn't that bad. Yeah I disagree with him on most points, but life would be pretty damn boring if we all agreed on everything.

However, Argie, you did say you would admit Ford is a complete disaster when the proof comes out. The guy has admitted to smoking crack (there's your proof, straight from the Horse's Mouth), so I, for one, would like to see you make said admission....

November 5, 2013 / 15:31

Argie

Thanks Phil.
It might have been on this thread or another one I did state that yes he should at least take a leave of absence. I'm not sure if he needs to resign however, if he's arrested, then yeah resign.

As for being a "complete disaster" - well, he certainly is close to that.


November 5, 2013 / 15:46

Irv

Oh plz, let the hookers come out on this. C'mon ladies

November 5, 2013 / 15:52

Ben Vidal

@ Nigel: I know you never stated it's a left wing vendetta. I'm merely stating that my disgust for the man isn't driven by politics. It's too often thrown around on this blog and everywhere else. If you disagree with Ford you are a pinko left wing commie.

Sad part is if it was anyone else who had a drug problem I might feel sympathy. I know addicts do things that hurt those they love. I've haven't seen a case where a man doesn't just hurt those that he's supposed to champion for, but then literally attack and try to insult anyone who doesn't agree with him.

He may have a heart of gold when it comes to people that have the same thought process as him. When it comes to people who disagree with him, he's nothing short of a spoiled bully with no heart. An honorable person would have owned up, sought help long ago and stepped down. The difference is we are dealing with Rob Ford an honor isn't something he seems to care about.

Awesome quote from Williams there my friend. Unfortunately for you I don't hate the man. As I said earlier I'm disgusted with him, but I have no hate.

E L E - Everybody Love Everybody

November 5, 2013 / 16:19

markosaar

@Nigel Trousershrapnel

@markosaar,
Not lefty or righty. Just a strong dislike for the lynch-mob mentality. Not saying he's guilty or not guilty. I (me) need a bit more to draw my own conclusions. Don't know why that pisses you off so much, but you are welcome to your opinion.
He's not your guy. I get that, but those of us who aren't as intelligent as you, need more.
Mind you, you don't win an argument by telling those who disagree with you to "shut the fuck up".
What kind of example is that for impressionable kids?

You've needed "a bit more" throughout this whole ordeal, but that's neither here nor there.

Also he was my guy … compared to Smitherman and Pantalone. I just felt the evidence piling up stunk very early on. I also had a lot of faith in Donovan and Doolittle's accounts of the crack-video. It seemed illogical to me that these two journalists would ruin their reputations over something so stupid. To be frank, I would even have a personal stake Donovan being discredited.

I don't get how these boards got so diametrically opposed. I've typically identified as "right" in most issues, insofar as governance is concerned. Typically socially liberal however.

I do apologise, I get this whole devil's advocate thing is your bit or whatever. I overreacted because you're the only person that's ever personally attacked me on this forum. (You belittled my "contributions" and more to this site a while ago.)

I wasn't trying to "win an argument". This argument is apparently unwinnable because no matter how much proof or evidence piles up, the goalpost keeps moving.

@Argie

Wow, you seem awfully worked up about this. Nigel is spot on. At this stage, most of what's been reported are accusations. Do you not understand the difference between accusation and fact???

In case you don't:
accusation = a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong.
fact = a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Based on your history, I feel very strongly that had it been Miller or Trudeau or McGuinty or Wynne, etc., in Ford's position, you'd be revelling in it, and not holding them to the same standard.

@Speysidephil

Ford should resign and get the help he needs. But let's not forget about the good he has done for Toronto compared to the spend, tax, and union love ins that Miller created.
Ford should run again in 2014 and win handily.
So while all of you lefties for all over each other in jubilation, and I eat a little crow pie, just remember the guy needs help, not attacks or smart ass comments.

You're just repeating the same fallacy over and over. Ford saved everyone the $60 registration -- guess what? His garbage Scarborough subway is lined up to cost a hell of a lot more in property taxes. And arguably manages to make transit actually worse here.

I have no love for Miller, but even the Fords admitted there wasn't as much to cut as they expected. Hell, I was rabidly anti-David Miller, but it turns out he ran a much tighter ship than the rhetoric had us believe.

Une thing I could say Miller was far superior to Ford for was his ability to actually lead and speak well, rather than Ford's divisive us vs. them politics.

The whole Ford narrative about just being a "regular joe" is a complete crock of shit. He was born with a silver spoon and never had a single day of honest work. I don't get why Ford Nation sticks to this story.

(Caveat emptor, I fucking hate phony flowery feel-good speeches. Hated it when Miller was giving them. Hate Obama's. Yet the Ford option is somehow worse.)

@Ben Vidal: I doubt you even remember, but I need to apologise for arguing back at you with respect to Rob Ford on Freddie P's Facebook wall a while back. Turns out you were correct before I caught on.

November 5, 2013 / 16:31

Andrew

Well, that was a crock of shit press conference. Should I be surprised, no, look who followed him back into his hidey hole but Doug.

I'm not sure people can take anything he says at face value. Forget all the drug, booze and comments issues, but he's now a proven liar. I know politics can change the perception of truth/lies, but it's not like he was fudging the budget of the cafeteria.

I think if he was truly sorry he would do the right thing and step away - I'm not sure he's hit rock bottom and I guess there will be more details in the whole Lisi case.

I guess council will now move ahead with their plans to basically nuter him.

The fun continues…

Cheers,
Andrew

November 5, 2013 / 16:41

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@Markosaar,
It was the emoticon comment wasn't it?
I thought it was quite funny, but obviously you didn't, so I apologize.

Not the devil's advocate by any stretch. I'd like to think, to hope even, that there is room for different opinions here. If I pull out the bullshit card, it's usually for a reason. To quote Freddie P. today, "When reputations are on the line, I like "for sures" because it's the way I'd want to be treated."
Benefit of the doubt, due process and getting the whole story were all I asked for and was continually dismissed as delusional. I think even now with all that's happened this week, I'd still give the guy the benefit of the doubt. That being said, I am profoundly disappointed with Mr. Ford. Don't really know where he should go from here. Compassion or contempt seem to be the only options being offered up. I think I'm somewhere in between.


November 5, 2013 / 17:02

Irv

Gee Nigel maybe he might step aside for a bit for the sake of the city?

November 5, 2013 / 17:43

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@ Irv,

Prorogation?

November 5, 2013 / 18:10

Andrew

@ Irv & Nigel,

I don't know if council can prorog a city council, but I think they will pass motions that will basically neuter Ford as much as they legally can.

I really wanted him to step down and seek the help he clearly needs, but alas, that was not to be.

I think it's going to get a whole lot uglier before it gets better.

Let the circus continue….

Cheers,
Andrew

November 5, 2013 / 18:14

Corey

Ok. Only just now had a chance to check out my fav blog, so I'm late to the party, but if I had been the first commenter or the last, my reaction to the sentiment of this entry would be the same - it made me throw up a little in my mouth. I mean seriously, "Think of the children!!! How will they cope?!?!" Good Lord, if this is the biggest dilemma your kids will be challenged with reconciling, consider yourself blessed.

November 5, 2013 / 18:24

Irv

Personal leave for starters. Put your city and council first. Thats what GOOD leaders do.

November 5, 2013 / 18:27

Mike from Lowville

ROTFLMFAO at Ford Nation. Does Toronto really have three rings?

November 5, 2013 / 18:28

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@ Corey

What does it say that you'll only address the biggest dilemma your kid(s) will face.

I address everything.

November 5, 2013 / 18:39

Nigel Trousershrapnel

Prorogation was just a joke.

I believe Mr. Ford should resign. Hate to agree with Irv, but city and constituents come first in this case.

November 5, 2013 / 18:43

Irv


What most surprises me is the supporters of Ford. I guess they don't get the bigger picture of politics or maybe they're just too stupid. Nearly every single scandal of consequence happening at this time is centered around a right wing "conservative" political party/member. While that might be meaningless for the hard core robot partisan supporters (which really don't matter) it is a big deal for those swing voters who are "centre right" and will either vote a bit more left wing or just stay away all together.

I mean fuck, even some organized criminals know better than to smear their own "brand" to the public. There are expectations of codes of conduct & you never let your actions denigrate the club/organizations public reputation. Ford is doing just the opposite. He's doing what Mike Harris did. He will be remembered as the figurehead of the right. If you can't get the impact of that, take a look around in Ontario. You think Wynne won because of her record? No. She won because her competition (Hudak) was a reminder of the Harris era & that's just not a place Ontario will go again.

The irony of this is those supporting Ford only strengthen the mandate of the next centre - left politician who will run for the mayors chair. Lots of those swing voters will take the least shittiest of the choice. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


November 5, 2013 / 18:51

Corey

@Mike - not the point I was making at all. Where did I say only talk to them about big issues. Hopefully you were able to conceal the angst and anguish from them, and saved it for the blog.

November 5, 2013 / 18:59

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@Corey

I'm still missing your point.

November 5, 2013 / 19:05

Teena in Toronto

Rob Ford is such a clown and an embarrassment for Toronto :(

November 5, 2013 / 19:07

Abby Ang

It is a sad reality. Rob Ford should must be a good example especially for the kids.

November 5, 2013 / 19:44

Argie

@Mike
Are you going to discuss the three thieving senators to your children? What they did is pretty bad too.

November 5, 2013 / 19:45

Justin

There's no reason for him to step down. Ford admitted to smoking crack only once, a year ago on a "drunken stupor." If Ford is telling the truth, and I believe him, why should he step down? He's not an addict, he doesn't have a drug problem, and his ability to run the city is not impaired in any way. Let the voters decide on election day.

November 5, 2013 / 19:46

twins from bolton

Not just Rob but his brothers, Doug & Randy also. ALL losers.

Doug just follows Rob around like a puppy & agrees with everything he says but he seemed very surprised with Rob telling about smoking crack with 1st Media scrum today - DAH.

Deco Label & Tags with the Ford brothers owning it - good luck!

Rob's 2nd presser today - the laugh at the end with a media person when he said he won't step down was hilarious.


November 5, 2013 / 19:47

Corey

@Mike - I guess to be perfectly clear, I found this post to be a tad dramatic. Presumably your kids already know "Don't abuse drugs and alcohol, don't drink and drive, don't lie, don't smash bottles in public parks and respect and work well with others." It seems like a pretty simple conversation to me, and an opportunity to reinforce the negatives of having a substance abuse problem. "See kids, even high profile people in positions of responsibility can suffer from addictions. It's a powerful influence that can cause people to act irresponsibly, lie to people, even lie to themselves, just so they can continue to indulge in their habit. When they're under the influence of drugs or alcohol, they lose their inhibitions, and act in a way they never would normally. These people need our help and understanding to get better. Hopefully our Mayor will be get the treatment he needs and recovers quickly."

Let's keep our fingers crossed that none of their sports or entertainment role models are caught doing drugs, cheating, assaulting anyone, etc., or it's going to be a rough week at the Boon household!

November 5, 2013 / 19:59

McNulty

Seriously, Justin?

He lied and lied and lied. He's a drunk and a drug user who won't even acknowledge he needs help.

So the dozens of times he lied before and you believed him. What part makes him truthful now?

This isn't over, Justin. Wait for the phone taps to come out.

Your blind allegiance is truly frightening.

November 5, 2013 / 20:05

Irv

@Corey

Whether TM's post is dramatic or not he makes a valid point and it goes beyond the POV of a kid.

We set laws and standards for a reason Corey. Crack is a schedule 1 drug & possession (even for personal use) is illegal (weed is schedule 2). Should we let it slide because hey, it was only 1 time? Is that OK with impaired drivers? Should we let a mugging slide because the victim didn't have much cash on him? Is your wife cheating on you once..because she was drunk as fuck OK?

If we do lower the bar, well how long until the bar is lowered? How long until we're cool with it happening a few times a month? And in the case of TM, what do you tell your kids? Don't do drugs, you'll be a loser in life. Well Papa, the mayor does drugs & he's got a company too.

Dude, I don't give a fuck what Ford does. I really mean that too. If he wants to snort blow off a hookers ass all the power to him. But, when you take on a position of being a public figure, paid by public dollars, shouldn't there be expectations? You posted a few days ago about how you're done with politicians. Well when you let shit slide you lower the bar and this is what you get.

When did we allow politicians to stop having respect for office? If you found out your kids teachers smoked rock, would that be OK? If you found out your doctor smoked rock would that be OK? There is a time and place dude and the mayor smoking crack & drinking in excess in public is NOT that place.

November 5, 2013 / 20:36

Justin

@McNulty

If lying was a condition for resignation then all politicians would be out of a job. They all lie. That's not a reason why he should step down. Ford was in a tough position, if there's a rumor of a crack tape with no proof why would he admit it?

Ford admitted to having a drinking problem so I'm not sure why you claim he won't even acknowledge it. Ralph Klien was a drunk, Churchill was a drunk, and hell, even John A. MacDonald was a massive drunk. Being a drunk isn't a condition for resignation. Ford said he'll curb his drinking and take care of his issues and I believe him.

I get that Ford's a terrible role model, terrible representative for our city, and quite evidently a terrible liar. But he hasn't convicted criminally of anything and there's no reason why he can't run the city effectively. Let the democratic process run its course and let the voters decide. Rob Ford is right to not re-sign and I applaud him for bull-heading through this and running for re-election.

November 5, 2013 / 20:41

Corey

Ah yes. For anyone left who might be wondering why I stopped responding to Irvine long ago, his latest comment is all you need to know. No reasonable person could interpret my comments as meaning we should lower the bar, or let anything slide. I neither stated that or implied it in anyway, but some how our boy managed to write four paragraphs lecturing me on something I didn't write. Astounding.

November 5, 2013 / 21:00

Irv

@Corey

Oh muffin, relax. I'm waiting for the details about the Mayor & something to do with computer hacking. I mean, after all, it is Guy Fawkes day and all...

November 5, 2013 / 21:17


James

@Irv: I sent that to TM by way of Twitter earlier. Also: you should probably be scouting out 680News. They've got the "no way in hell" statement re: that story.

November 5, 2013 / 21:32

McNulty

@Justin

Oh, I get your comment! You're in a drunken stupor!

Case solved.

November 5, 2013 / 21:39

Irv

@james

Are you by change a reporter involved with technology?

November 5, 2013 / 21:45

Argie

"Let's keep our fingers crossed that none of their sports or entertainment role models are caught doing drugs, cheating, assaulting anyone, etc., or it's going to be a rough week at the Boon household!"

LLOL (literally laughing out loud)

November 5, 2013 / 21:49

Ben Vidal

I've been listening to talk radio tonight and hearing Ford Nation defend Ford actually scares the shit out of me. The excuses and the spin and refusal to accept this is out of this world.

If the radio call-ins are any indication of the education of Ford Nation, then we should really be pissed at the Ontario Liberals, because clearly our education system is broken.

Then again you can just read justin's comments above and you see what I'm talking about.

I find comedy in the fact that Rob Ford once said the city needs to be run like a business to find efficiency and cut costs and be productive. Guess what happens to a president of a company if they get accused of smoking crack, or any relation to illegal activities. That's right they step down or get fired.

It'll be interesting to see if the triumvirate of conbots get together for another BBQ next summer.\

Harper should comment on things, because he had a lot to say about Trudeau smoking pot and what that means about a leader.

November 5, 2013 / 22:15

Allison

I'm willing to bet neither Corey or Argie have children.

November 5, 2013 / 22:25

Ben Vidal

@ Markosaar: I remember the situation well. Don't sweat it. You had a point at the time, despite Fred's wall being a light post for all things conservative apologist.

I actually enjoy all your posts. It's the reason why I asked where you had gone.

Just keep posting alright.

November 5, 2013 / 22:26

Anonymous

@Mr Beach and @Anonymous who replied to Mr Beach...

I'd put my money on Romeo DiBattista being Toronto's Tony Soprano

November 6, 2013 / 03:12

Ken U Barret

OMG people start to deal with it.

Mr. Ford was mayor of Toronto yesterday,is today and will be Mayor until 2017.

November 6, 2013 / 04:24

Rick C in Oakville

See this made it onto the front page of the Stars Life and Entertainment section this morning. Kudos Mike!

November 6, 2013 / 06:08

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Rick C in Oakville

Thanks!

I did an interview with the Star yesterday and almost had CBC camera here last night, only they couldn't secure a camera. They might come back tonight...

Here's the Star article...

November 6, 2013 / 07:54

Speysidephil

Must have been a slow news day yesterday for Mike to get in the Toronto Star. Mike did you have to pay them..?

November 6, 2013 / 08:03

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Speysidephil

What makes it extra cool is how busy a news day it was!

Although it is just the Life & Entertainment section, it is the front page.

November 6, 2013 / 08:08

Mississauga Phil

Watch out Mike....you're blog just got National Coverage...here come the Trolls....

November 6, 2013 / 08:13

Teena in Toronto

Nice surprise to read about you in today's "Toronto Star" this morning :)

November 6, 2013 / 08:21

Argie

I hope and pray my kids never end up like Adam Vaughan. I don't ask for much.

November 6, 2013 / 08:23

Speysidephil

@Argie
How about "whatever way the wind blows" Karen Stintz?

November 6, 2013 / 08:49

Mississauga Phil

Typical right wing mentality. Instead of dealing with the issue at hand, Argie and Speyside resort to the tried and true "what about the bad stuff all these liberals did"

November 6, 2013 / 09:00

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Thanks Teena in Toronto!

November 6, 2013 / 09:01

Speysidephil

@Mississauga

Phil, I have dealt with the issue at hand. I've moved on from Ford.
It's up to a higher power to get him out of office.

November 6, 2013 / 09:03

Argie

Sorry Phil, I didn't realize we couldn't bash any other politician. Thanks for informing us.

November 6, 2013 / 09:28

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - you can bash whomever you want. I'm just pointing out that a typical right wing play is to duck questions about your own wrongdoing and start pointing fingers elsewhere. The GOP/Tea Party Loony's do it, Ford does it, and apparently so do Ford nation. No one is saying Vaughan is an angel, no one is saying that the Provincial Libs didn't waste billions of taxpayer dollars. However, the conversation HERE is about Rob Ford and the fact that if he were any kind of a man, would admit his issues and step down to go get help.

November 6, 2013 / 09:45

Argie

@Phil
What "questions" are you talking about? I'm just having a little fun at Vaughan's expense. I'm not defending Ford, just having fun like your hero Jon Stewart.

November 6, 2013 / 10:06

Justin

Adam "we'll all move to" Vaughan is the antithesis of the ideal mayor for this city.

November 6, 2013 / 10:22

markosaar

Here's Rob Ford (in 2005) talking about what needs to be done with people that smoke crack:

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2416184416/

November 6, 2013 / 10:51

Argie

@mark
That was 8 years ago. Its ironic that you would post that considering just a few weeks ago when someone asked where you had been (due to you not posting here on TM), you said something like "oh I didn't like how every discussion devolved into personal attacks.." Yet, just yesterday on your first post of the day you told Nigel to "shut the f**k up".

Hey, you're a hypocrite just like Ford.

November 6, 2013 / 11:24

Corey

@ Mississauga Phil

Karen Stintz is a conservative. Is it ok for Speyside to point fingers at her now?

November 6, 2013 / 12:15

Denise

While few children in Toronto will be personally affected by the drug and alcohol addictions of the Mayor, many will be affected by similar problems of people within their family, neighbourhood or family friends. I 100% encourage parents to educate, discourage, lead by example, etc. I also encourage them to instill a sense of empathy and understanding for anyone struggling with addictions whether it is the homeless guy they see passed out in the park, Aunt Sally, Joe next door or even Rob Ford. Compassion should not be left out of the conversation.

November 6, 2013 / 12:59

markosaar

@Argie,

Whatever, sure, I'll take the lame bait.

What does it having been eight years ago have to do with anything? I understand people, especially politicians, reversing their beliefs over time. Either as new or better information comes to light. This just reeks of self-serving hypocrisy and is my problem with the Ford Nation narrative all along. Hey, _I_ don't give a shit if someone smoked crack once ... though I'd look at them funny, and probably avoid being friends with them unless they had some other spectacular quality...

Part of why Smitherman was so unelectable was his past substance-abuse problems.

You blended my two statements together. 1. I said every discussion was circular, and 2., I said I needed to take a step back because of a personal attack directed at me. It came from Nigel, whom I directed mine at. It was a misunderstanding and he apologised.

@Nigel: So let me apologise to you as well -- I overreacted. It wasn't called for. I also see now that much of what you write is far more objective than it appears at first glance. I took it for partisan bullshit, I apologise for misunderstanding. It's ironic because I'm probably more on the same page.

November 6, 2013 / 14:10

Anonymous

Compassion: OK for the mayor but not for a homeless guy

November 6, 2013 / 14:50

James

@Irv: A day late and a dollar short, but no. I have an interest in technology, but reporters in most cases are only a step or two above politicians--so I'll just be sitting over here watching.

November 6, 2013 / 16:38

Mike from Lowville

@Argie
"Are you going to discuss the three thieving senators to your children? What they did is pretty bad too."

My three "Thieving Senator" hockey cards are being sent to me in the mail, the ones that were being handed out at the Convention. Should become collector items after a REAL Government of Canada disolves the worthless Senate!

November 6, 2013 / 17:58

Argie

@Mike from Lowville
I hope you're right.

November 6, 2013 / 19:18

markosaar

Our mayor, friends:

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/07/i-need-f---in-10-minutes-to-make-sure-hes-dead-new-rob-ford-video-surfaces

"I'M GONNA GO BY MYSELF....I NEED 10 MINUTES TO MAKE SURE THE MOTHERFUCKER IS DEAD"

- Rob Ford

November 7, 2013 / 12:34

markosaar

The Sun link is dead from too much traffic. Here's a Star version:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/11/07/mayor_rob_ford_caught_in_video_rant.html

November 7, 2013 / 12:36

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Where does this all end?

This is only going to get worse.

When is enough enough?

November 7, 2013 / 12:44

Charron

Good luck talking to your kids about this:

November 7, 2013 / 13:04

Justin

Just wait until the wiretaps from the police investigation are released...

November 7, 2013 / 13:15

Irv

I've got nothing left to hide - Rob Ford (except the bodies) TROLOLOLOL

November 7, 2013 / 13:53

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