Windsor Road House From Rob Ford Photo Linked to Rinse's Comment

Published by Toronto Mike on June 5, 2013 @ 23:55 in Rob Ford Watch, The Best of Toronto Mike

The Comment From Rinse about Rob Ford's Crack UseAs we've discussed, this comment left by Rinse on March 26 included details about Rob Ford's use of crack cocaine:

Here's the thing: Rob Ford DOES use crack cocaine. A friend of mine, her mother is a serious drug addict. Rob Ford regularly goes over to her house to smoke crack.

The problem is this: The daughter wants to expose Rob Ford's drug abuse, but her oldschool Italian grandmother won't allow her to "bring shame" upon the family, long story short. So basically the daughter has become complicit with the entire thing instead of doing the right thing. Shame on you Jasmin.

According to this Globe and Mail article, information about the house Rob Ford was photographed in front of with Anthony Smith gives credence to Rinse's comments.

The house on Windsor Road is officially owned by an elderly couple. The neighbours believe the husband died in the past few years and say that the primary residents of the home are the grownup children, believed to be in their 40s.

A Redditor did a little digging and discovered the following:

15 Windsor Rd is listed to "E Basso" in the phonebook. I found an obituary that says "Elio Basso" passed away on November 6, 2009, with funeral service at a chapel at Rexdale & Kipling. The obituary lists Jasmine as his granddaughter. "Jasmin" is the name mentioned at torontomike.com/2013/03/the_problem_with_rob_ford_and.html#comment-234172

Here's the Canada411 listing for E Basso at 15 Windsor Road, and here's the obituary for Elio Basso that mentions Jasmine.

Holy shit. Rinse wasn't kidding.

Update: The Star story confirming the details is here.

Comments 202 comments

202 Responses to "Windsor Road House From Rob Ford Photo Linked to Rinse's Comment"

Rick C in Oakville
June 6, 2013 / 00:08

Advantage to being in Calgary it is only 10:10 Pm. Still isn't going to stick to Robbie, whether true or not. Still inuendo!

H
June 6, 2013 / 00:11

Holy shit. Jesus, man, nice work. And holy shit.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 00:15

The Star story about this house is now live here.

The rundown bungalow is on a pleasant street of well-kept homes a short distance from the Dixon Rd. apartment building near where the Star viewed the 90-second video. Toronto police Det. Rob Gallant, who was investigating a shooting in the Dixon Rd. building on Tuesday, May 21, is also investigating an incident at 15 Windsor that same day, according to police at 23 Division.

Jon
June 6, 2013 / 00:25

That's a great find. Thanks for your work!

Justin
June 6, 2013 / 00:33

Even with this information coming to light it's doubtful these allegations against Ford will ever truly be proven in a credible way. Unfortunately "Rinse" isn't credible since he's an online anonymous commentor. This whole fiasco has damaged Ford politically, but as far as stepping down does, that's just not going to happen unless the public sees the video.

Either way I'd much rather have a crack-smoking Ford than a sober David Miller.

Denis McGrath
June 6, 2013 / 00:35

That is some solid stuff. Combined with the STAR reporting, the Ford CRACK Nation birther truthers are in serious trouble....

LINK

Earl
June 6, 2013 / 00:44

As much as I hate to go there, who wants to bet that Jasmine ends up having an unfortunate accident in the next few days?

Anonymous
June 6, 2013 / 01:05

Holy f*4%^$ing smokes!!!! AND NO f%&^$ing PUN INTENDED!!!!!!!! IN the words of Steve Doocy, THIS. IS. HUGE.

Greg
June 6, 2013 / 01:37

Well Justin, your a plain fool is all. He's an incompetent Mayor, an embarrassment not only to the city but to our country and his rhetoric (and Doug's) is mostly untrue (meaning lies). He couldn't find the "gravy" he campaigned on so he hired KPMG to complete a forensic audit on the city's books (which cost us "taxpayers" $400K) and they could only find $10 million in savings, and that was closing libraries, laying off city staff, outsourcing jobs etc. It's all an illusion Justin. David Miller, despite his faults, was honest, upfront and moved the city forward. Rob Ford has caused nothing but chaos turning Council and the citizenry against each other. It never used to be like this. How ugly living in Toronto has become (born here, lived here all my life). So sad.

James
June 6, 2013 / 01:57

It's great to see the pieces of the puzzle starting to come together. However, even if the video is released, I double Ford would bow to pressure to step down. He would have to be dragged from his office by the police, kicking and screaming, before he relinquishes his post. If/when the video is released (and it seems like we are getting closer), Ford will simply change his tune. He might say, "I'm human, I've made mistakes. We all make mistakes sometimes, but this doesn't impact my job. I have a city to run, I've saved taxpayers 20 billion dollars, and we need to move forward instead, blah, blah, blah". The video isn't enough to charge him, so don't kid yourself into thinking Ford will voluntarily step down. Ever.

JP
June 6, 2013 / 02:52

Jesus.

I mean, lets not kid ourselves. It's so completely obvious what has gone on here. God only knows what the Fords did to the people with that tape.

I truly, truly hope the real truth comes to light.

TBC
June 6, 2013 / 05:20

Notice the comment posted by Corey in response to Rinse's comment on March 26. Corey tells Rinse to do the right thing and set up a camera to video Rob Ford going into the house, now known to be the Basso house. Two days later Anthony Smith is murdered. Rinse has never commented again since March 26. Was Anthony Smith or the other wounded young man Rinse and was Anthony Smith a friend of Jasmine's or of Rinse's? This is much more sinister and criminal than lying, smoking crack, which by the way is illegal, and hanging out in a house known for drug activity (illegal) and being long time friends with the people who live there, where one of them is the drug addicted mother of Jasmine. Oh and that house had a home invasion and killing on the same night that the apartment on Dixon Rd a short path away had gun fire on the same floor as the apartment where drug deals happened and where Rob Ford has told his staff that the video was being kept.

Wow, yeah I am sure it is all just a coincidence or master plan by his opposition. If it was a set up, geez, how clever is his opposition!

markosaar
June 6, 2013 / 06:37

From SA, Sarah Thompson is a master troll:

http://i.imgur.com/6AzxGFm.png

markosaar
June 6, 2013 / 06:39

On Women's Post, it's "an exciting video", not "the video":

https://twitter.com/womenspost/status/342512485083004928

Corey
June 6, 2013 / 07:23

@Mike - Are you going to contact Donovan with this additional info?

Wayner
June 6, 2013 / 07:36

The cracks are starting to surface and the truth will come out, eventually. The Ford camp, no doubt, has a story/excuse ready to "save face" and his political career once the video appears.

I'm going to miss Rob Ford as he has provided a great distraction over these past months. But I'm quite sure he'll be back after his rehab stint...

Diogenes
June 6, 2013 / 07:46

So the crack-addicted mom is in RoFo's age range. Her last name as a teen was Basso. Anyone checking his high school yearbook? If he goes there regularly, they must be better acquainted than just crack buddies...

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 08:32

@Corey

I haven't contacted anyone, but that comment got major traction with Gawker and Reddit and Twitter when the crack video story broke. I have no doubt he's aware of the comment.

Steve
June 6, 2013 / 08:33

What could mess this up is if Rinse happens to know a real life Jasmine with a real Grandmother and all but a mother who isn't a drug addict. Rinse could be playing game in poor taste. "Could"

Not Daniel
June 6, 2013 / 08:38

A friend of a friend who is a sex worker passed this along: Fords hustling oxy and coke, familiar to sex workers around town, and in bed with organized criminals. Hoping allegations - if true - are confirmed.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 08:43

"God only knows what the Fords did to the people with that tape."

It seems the conspiracy theorists/nuts are more prevalent on the anti-Ford side.

Kevin
June 6, 2013 / 08:49

This story is now being covered on Canada.com:

http://o.canada.com/2013/06/06/15-windsor-rd-rob-ford/

No Dope
June 6, 2013 / 09:04

Holy fuck!

This is massive. All the pieces fit... it's like the big reveal in a movie.

Well done...

Franco
June 6, 2013 / 09:06

Excellent sleuthing!

Al Reda
June 6, 2013 / 09:09

This story gave me chills.

Redditor
June 6, 2013 / 09:18

From the Star:

"Residents of the house on Windsor Rd. include Mario Basso, 40; Fabio Basso, 45; and Elena Basso, 51. The house is owned by their mother, Lina, who also lives at the home. Their father, a retired bricklayer, passed away in 2009. The family came to Canada in the 1950s and have lived on the street since at least 1972."

and

"A visitor to the home Wednesday said that Fabio Basso and Ford know each other from high school."

So, the quote posted on TorontoMike's website said that the grandmother (i.e. Lina) supports Ford and doesn't want shame brought on the family, and that the mother (i.e. Elena) smokes crack with Ford. And thus, we get the quote:

"Rob Ford’s the greatest mayor ever. You guys are scavengers,” Elena said.

This seems seriously legit. Quick, Toronto Star, find Jasmine.

Lyle Lanley
June 6, 2013 / 09:21

Mind: Blown.

Anonymous
June 6, 2013 / 09:42

Does anyone here know Jasmine?

Blind Dave
June 6, 2013 / 09:49

Speaking as one who has remained impartial in all of this (too far removed from my Toronto days for it to concern me), this could very well be an interesting news day. I'll bet those two Star reporters are on pins and needles too.

And as a sidenote, this is great for your blog, Mike. Free and credible publicity for doing what you love to do!

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 09:57

A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.

Jean Chretien

Gary
June 6, 2013 / 09:57

So all levels of government are involved in some sort of scandal. I may never vote again.

Torontonian
June 6, 2013 / 09:59

Open letter to Rob Ford from Toronto taxpayers:

It's become evident you have a problem. It's time to remove yourself from office and deal with your personal issues. Your presence is an unwelcome distraction and portraying our great city in a negative light.

Sincerely,

Toronto Taxpayers you claim to respect

Speysidephil
June 6, 2013 / 10:02

The anti Ford Left are falling all over themselves and will soon go over the cliff in their proof is a proof is a proof .
Good one Argie.

White Owl
June 6, 2013 / 10:12

Rob Ford 4 Life! NWO!

Robbeey For Prese
June 6, 2013 / 10:24

Leave him alone, it's a though Job running the city and the city's organized crime communities. He's doing a pretty good job overall.

Name Redacted
June 6, 2013 / 11:00

@Argie

This information has been circling on the internet for quite some time now. There is information buried on the darknet but you need to have an advanced understanding of .onion to find it. Investigative journalists are sometimes great sleuths but when it comes to the internet their skills sometimes lack. Information is often discovered and ends up being made public by someone who simply has to tell someone. That's what is called a tip.

I'm going to give you a very brief layman tutorial then another scenario I want you to reply too. A major facet of detective or forensic work is to collect evidence & to play on a kids cartoon character "follow the clues". You attempt to find a series of incidents or clues which share similarities. You then present this evidence in a court of law where a jury or judge makes a decision. I could get more detailed on this matter but I simply refuse too at this point.

But allow me to give you an example. You live in Ontario so you've probably heard about Dellen Millard. Dell is suspect 1 in the murder of Tim Bosma. Police have laid a murder 1 charge.

Now, Mr. Millard is alleged to have had a relationship with a young woman named Laura Babcock. She was last seen at Queen and Ronces. Ms Babcock also has alleged connections to the sex industry where she worked under the name as Elle Ryan and Laura Ryan. The last person Ms Babcock apparently spoke to was...Dell Millard before she vanished. Oh and from what I read Millard had nude photos of Babcock apparently on his phone. She is considered a missing person. AND...Dell Millard's father committed suicide. The information I've read about this man is that he was 70 years old, had just purchased a home & had visions of building up some type of trust fund with regards to animals or something like that. Regardless, does the method of suicide and the "mindset" of the individual seem suicidal?

So Argie, do you think there might be a connection in the two incidents in the above paragraph? The evidence is circumstantial and it could just be a coincidence. Should the police carry this further & investigate? If you were a supporter of Mr Millard, you would claim there is no hard evidence. You would also claim it was a "lefty police conspiracy" to smear the guy.

@Gary: It's a fair assumption to make that scandal is prevalent in all levels of government and in all stripes. In modern government the name of the game seems to be to highlight the failures of the other guys versus dealing with your own. This would be like McDonald's telling you that Wendy's sucks rather than espousing the "merits" of their own food. This methodology appeals to the Wendy's haters but alienates everyone else.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 11:18

Redacted,

I'm still waiting for the proof, sorry. I agree the cops should be looking into this connection between the residents of this house and Ford but until he's charged and later convicted (two big "ifs"), the man is innocent until proven guilty.

Unlike the others here who are using words like "holy shit!, "chills", "mind blows" and the like, I'm waiting for more before booting this guy out of office.

Anyway, keep the stories coming lefties!

Anonymous
June 6, 2013 / 11:43

"Rob Ford’s the greatest mayor ever. You guys are scavengers,” Elena said.

Elena said that? Well that's all the evidence for crack addiction that I need to see!

Speysidephil
June 6, 2013 / 11:49

Just saw a video of the so called house Ford was allegedly photographed at.
Sure doesn't look rundown to me. Nice looking bungalow.
Hmm ? Wonder what else is inaccurate in the star story.

Gump
June 6, 2013 / 11:54

This is so exciting!
Any bets on when this will be portrayed in Law & Order?
Too bad Chris Farley died. He would have been a perfect Rob Ford!

Corey
June 6, 2013 / 11:54

Thanks for the tutorial, persona known as Redacted.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 11:56

@Speysidephil and @Argie

You both sound like cult members... give your heads a shake!

In March, Rinse mentioned the old Italian grandmother and the granddaughter named Jasmine.

Those details align perfectly with this Windsor Road house which is very close to both Don Bosco and the apartment building where the crack video was filmed. Also, the son went to school with Rob Ford, and neighbours call it a crack house. Not to mention the armed robbery there the same night the fellow was shot at the apartment complex where the video was shot.

All the pieces align but you two keep towing the company line. This isn't a lefty conspiracy, nor a media conspiracy... this is investigative reporting that is alerting tax payers to some serious shit involving the mayor of the city.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 11:57

@Gump

I peg Philip Seymour Hoffman for the role of Rob Ford.

Wayner
June 6, 2013 / 12:05

What! prostitutes, government cover-ups, drug dealing, organized crime and a high-school romance to boot??!!!

This is why I'm going to miss Rob Ford

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 12:06

The Wire Season 6: Toronto

Innocent Bystander
June 6, 2013 / 12:10

SpeysidePhil, country folk who escape the big city usually harbour stereotypes like you do. The assumption that a drug house is run down with 10 gangsters standing out front is incorrect.

I'm not sure if you can grasp this but generally criminals are not interested in attracting attention. They're business is their business & they aren't interested in attracting any attention. If you're in the business of manufacturing or selling drugs you do not want attention. That's why so many people seemed shocked when they find out a grow op was in their neighborhood. "It was a nice house, the people seemed quiet". Why just yesterday in the lower mainland a Hells Angel's grow op was discovered. They had buried containers on a picture perfect hobby farm.

markosaar
June 6, 2013 / 12:10

@Gump: The only Law & Order remaining is SVU, and I don't want to know how they spin this into a sex crime.

Wait, what else is on that video...?

Concerned Taxpayer
June 6, 2013 / 12:25

I'm sorry to hear that someone is allegedly attacking Doug Ford's family. Problem is, until I see some proof of the actual emails, I'm sure it's just made up.

Corey
June 6, 2013 / 12:26

@Speysidephil

"Just saw a video of the so called house Ford was allegedly photographed at.
Sure doesn't look rundown to me. Nice looking bungalow.
Hmm ? Wonder what else is inaccurate in the star story."

This should win an award for lamest comment to have ever appeared on torontomike.com. Talk about grasping at straws.

Another Lurker
June 6, 2013 / 12:28

Speaking of Doug Ford... let's not forget the fact he's a lying sack of shit.

Yesterday Councillor Doug Ford launched an inaccurate attack on a member of Mayor Rob Ford’s hand-picked executive committee on Wednesday, falsely saying that Councillor Jaye Robinson’s absence from city hall forced a committee to cancel a scheduled meeting.

In fact, however, the meeting was held and completed without Robinson, who has come down with a respiratory illness. Doug Ford, a member of the committee, was at the meeting himself.

So many lies from these two. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

Speysidephil
June 6, 2013 / 12:41

@Cory
@Innocent Bystander

At least I deal in Facts.
Why say the house is Run down when clearly it isn't?
Facts, Facts Facts. Not allegations .

Corey
June 6, 2013 / 12:45

@Mike -

Come on Mike! Give your own head a shake! Can't you see how this whole thing played out? Let me clue you in:

1) Kevin Donovan scouts out the area around Don Bosco, looking for unsavoury locales to accuse Ford of frequenting
2) He finds 15 Windsor Road which looks kinda sketchy, and learns that neighbors are concerned it's frequented by druggies. Perfect!
3) Here's where things get complicated - he either takes a photo of the house, and then photoshops in two "known-to-police" types and Rob Ford OR he found an existing photo of the house with the two thugs and an anonymous fat white dude who happened to own the same sweatshirt as one Ford has been photographed wearing before. Then he just had to photoshop Ford's head in. Not sure which.
4) Then in March, Donovan makes a post under the name "Rinse" on torontomike.com, alleging that Ford smokes crack cocaine, and carefully provides only a tiny snippet of detail around the occupants, to lay the groundwork for his big reveal today.
5) Oh, and in between made up a story about meeting drug dealers who had a video showing Rob Ford smoking crack, but first contacted Gawker and asked them to fabricate the same story, and release it first.

Easy.

Brian
June 6, 2013 / 12:53

Mike,
Your blog has turned to shit. You are obsessed with the Rob Ford hating. Not sure what the big deal is about finding the house where the picture was taken? At this point I would rather read about your horrible baseball and volleyball teams.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 12:55

@Brian

What exactly would you like me to do? Should I completely ignore the fact Rinse left a comment here in March that aligns with reports from the Globe and Star?

It would be irresponsible of me to ignore these facts...

What would you do?

Ben Vidal
June 6, 2013 / 12:58

@ Argie: In Mr Williams absence, the quality of your posts has diminished substantially any reason? i won't even touch on Speyside.

LINK

Another instance of the Fords lying, this time they picked on a left leaning politician, but forgot to mention one of their ally's was also not present at the meeting.

The worst part is the apologists now. When they have no where to run, their reaction. I'd rather have a crack head in office than someone who leans to the left. HA. I guess it's ok though. Often times I see myself saying I'd rather have a chimpanzee running Toronto than either of the Fords. Then I catch myself and realize why pay for a chimpanzee when a donkey would do marginally better than the fords.

Corey
June 6, 2013 / 12:59

@speyside,

Come on man. You saw a video - I'm looking at close up, sharp photographs. If this house was on my street, I'd call it run down too. Overgrown, unkempt shrubs, the shingles are curling, there's junk sitting out on the driveway. No it's not falling down, but it's not being well kept. You sound pretty silly now.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 13:01

Corey,

That's just what I was thinking!!!

You do know that some moron will assume you were serious when you posted that.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 13:05

Mike,

Any comment on the Ontario liberals deleting emails pertaining to the gas plant fiasco? Didn't think so.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 13:08

Ben,

Dammit. I was going to comment on how stupid and inane Lurker's comment was about Doug Ford slamming Robinson - and now you go and validate his comment. I thought were brighter than that.

Speysidephil
June 6, 2013 / 13:11

@Corey
Since you insist on responding , the video I saw was on CTV Toronto at noon today.
A live feed from in front of the house.
If you have something better please share it.
Otherwise have you been told today!

Cliché Man
June 6, 2013 / 13:11

I have a question about the MSM and this comment from Rinse.

It's obvious now that Rinse wasn't spilling nonsense but knew of what he wrote. Can the MSM report on a March comment from Rinse if they haven't talked to Rinse?

I'll bet they're debating this right now. Does any journalist want to shed some light on this?

G. Smitherman
June 6, 2013 / 13:13

Sorry Argie, but at last check this was Toronto Mike's blog, not your blog. He is free to discuss anything he wants on his blog. Are you assuming that because he made no mention of the Ontario Liberals deleting emails that he supports them? If you read what Mike writes he made it clear he voted for the NDP member in his riding.

Tell me, does his exclusion of the senator scandal mean he's supportive of Duffy or Pamela Wallin?

markosaar
June 6, 2013 / 13:15

Hey Argie,

Wouldn't it be easier to go visit a right-wing themed blog instead of constantly attempting to browbeat Mike into posting what you like?

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 13:17

I'm just asking Mike a question. Shit, he can answer it if he wants to - it doesn't effect me either way.

Gump
June 6, 2013 / 13:18

@Mike
The reason I didn't list PSH is that, although he is corpulent
enough and is sufficiently homely to be a stand-in for Rob Ford, he has a understated level of intelligence that would hard to fake to be the dullness of mind that Rob Ford is.

@markosaar
Now that you mention Law & Order : SVU, there is a fantastic movie that PSH was in - Before The Devil Knows You're Dead. In it (in fact the 1st 3 minutes), you have an absolutely mind-blowing sex scene with Marisa Tomei. I urge all red-blooded males to find that video and ... enjoy.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 13:19

@Argie

I'm not sure why you're ridiculing @Another Lurker and @Ben Vidal. Doug Ford indeed told one doozy of a lie more than once yesterday.

He claimed a meeting had to be cancelled because Councillor Jaye Robinson was absent. Poor Jaye Robinson was really sick and the meeting did happen... and to make things worse, Doug was at the meeting and was well aware it wasn't cancelled.

It was a lie, no doubt about it. @Another Lurker and @Ben Vidal are absolutely right.

cube
June 6, 2013 / 13:19

I've never seen anyone in so much denial. It seems that the more evidence and details are released, the further in Ford Nation digs their heels. I almost wish that something like this would happen to a non-Ford politician, to reveal all the hypocrisy.

@Brian The title of this blog has the word Toronto in it; does it not make sense that Mike would follow and report on the findings from the biggest story that's coming out of Toronto right now?

All the Ford supporters that have come here sound like a bunch of barking dogs who absolutely refuse to take the time to sit down and actually read, in detail, everything that's been reported so far. They just refuse to accept the information that's in front of them.

G Smitherman
June 6, 2013 / 13:20

No Argie, you are not just asking a question. You are trolling this forum and no different than Irvine. Please leave this forum.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 13:25

G Smitherman,

Pardon?

TA
June 6, 2013 / 13:27

I've been the biggest Ford defender (well, more of a proponent for 'let's wait and see), but this connection is more than strange. Nice work

Wayner
June 6, 2013 / 13:28

@Gump & @Mike

PSH just got out of Betty Ford due to his battles with drug addictions... He no longer has the girth needed to portray Mr. Ford...give him a few more months

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 13:29

Philip Seymour Hoffman is one helluva actor... he can pull it off.

G Smitherman
June 6, 2013 / 13:33

You simply come here to troll this forum Argie nothing more. Your claim to free speech is as weak as Hitler claiming all Jews deserved to be eradicated.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 13:36

You're a moron Smitherman. You seem like the textbook troll. And this is the first time I've ever accused anyone of trolling.

I know, I'm wasting my time with you.

Justin
June 6, 2013 / 13:56

More details emerge! And Toronto Mike got a shoutout from Gawker!

http://gawker.com/a-pipe-wielding-thug-stormed-the-rob-ford-crackhouse-s-511642073

Rodney
June 6, 2013 / 14:08

Mike could trace the Rinse IP address and end any speculation on who Rinse is.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 14:09

@Rodney

Everything I know about Rinse I posted here: http://www.torontomike.com/2013/05/the_comment_from_rinse_about_r.html

He / She is a Toronto Rogers customer. That's what their IP address tells me.

Rodney
June 6, 2013 / 14:34

inevidabley someone was going to invoke Godwins Law. It looks like Smitherman loses this argument.

Rosie
June 6, 2013 / 14:40

Mike this is straight-up bananas!

I soooooooo wanted the video on Women's Post to be THE video...

Corey
June 6, 2013 / 14:57

@Rosie - so what was the video on Women's Post. I refuse to go there since it was such a cheesy tactic to get traffic to their site, I don't want to give then the satisfaction...

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 14:59

@Rosie

It's pretty gross to troll like that at a time like this. It's the boy who cried wolf syndrome... we'll all tune her out next time.

When I tell you I had the crack story first, I mean it.

TBC
June 6, 2013 / 15:05


I think this goes deeper than using crack and hanging out with addicts. We already know there has been a murder and other shootings. More than that I think there is trafficking and money laundering going on. Interesting that RF only came out of hiding after May 21, the date of the home invasion at 15 Wndsor and shooting at 320 Dixon Road, 17th floor. This is not just about an addiction and needing rehab. It's much much bigger, stranger and vile.

Anonymous
June 6, 2013 / 15:07

Honestly, this story just gets better and better. Truth truly is stranger than fiction.

Slurpy, Rinse and Bozo the Clown.

TBC
June 6, 2013 / 15:14

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/sorry-rob-ford-but-theres-little-upside-to-building-a-casino/article12211900/

Not surprising RF wants a mega casino. Crime, gangs, money laundering...that's who he is. To quote Maya Angelou, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

He is over rated, over blown, grossly over weight, over....just plain over.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 15:31

TBC,

Not a fan of the big guy are you?

Coco
June 6, 2013 / 15:32

Beware of Fabio

Banger
June 6, 2013 / 15:36

For Toronto Mike, the world's biggest Wire fan:

Rodney
June 6, 2013 / 15:38

Fabio Basso is Adam Sandler, it is all making sense now.

Rosie
June 6, 2013 / 15:49

Corey, was so lame not even worth mentioning. Very disappointed in the PR stunt :(

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 16:01

Have they let Thomson out of the loony bin?

Justin
June 6, 2013 / 16:30

@Argie

It's not fair to the people in the loony bin to be categorized on the same level as Sarah Thomson.

Torontosy
June 6, 2013 / 17:27

I have identified a commonality between the Rob Ford/Anthony Smith photo and the photos that have surfaced of the building on Windsor Rd. Take a look at the original photo of Rob: LINK

Notice that the wood-coloured chair on the bottom left of Rob Ford/Anthony Smith photo is also the wood-coloured chair on the left side of this photo, taken by Google Maps:

http://postmediacanadadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/house.jpg

For your reference, this photo is taken from the Canada.com article that appears here: http://o.canada.com/2013/06/06/15-windsor-rd-rob-ford/

Now compare this photo with the recent one that the Toronto Star took, here, which does not have a wooden colour chair, and instead there is a blue coloured plastic chair:
LINK

This photo is taken from the Toronto Star's headline article, here: LINK

In my view, they have obviously hidden the wooden chair, but a curious reporter may try to open the garage to see if the chair is there, but the reporter will make sure the whole thing is videotaped so that he won't be accused of planting the chair.

I also want to speculate about how the Somalians got the video into their hands. What if they killed Anthony Smith for gang-related reasons unrelated to Rob Ford, but then stole his phone? This can explain why neither Anthony Smith nor the other person in the photo, Muhammad Khattak, are Somalian as best we know. Does anybody know how gangs operate in this part of town, do the Somalians group together, and were Anthony Smith and his friends in an opposing, non-Somalian gang? Or do the Somalians mix with others in each of these gangs? Were they part of the same gang afterall?

CQ
June 6, 2013 / 18:02

@Torontosy (17:27)
A difference I notice is the new white exhaust pipe installed below the main floor window's right corner. Star's Photo vs. Postmedia photo.

Anonymous
June 6, 2013 / 18:04

The chair in in the garage.

TBC
June 6, 2013 / 18:13

Argie, in response to your comment that I am not a fan. I really don't have any feelings one way or the other for RF. If anything I just feel sorry for him. There is clearly a lot of dysfunction in him and his whole family. As the Globe article details,

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/?page=all

he was in many ways an innocent bystander and victim of his older siblings' wrong choices. I would question what kind of parent his father was as well.

Regardless of his early days, he is an adult making his own choices now and more importantly he is making choices that affect millions of other people and billions of dollars. Dysfunctional in his personal life, dysfunctional in his professional life.

I bet there is financial impropriety at Decal. The Fords seem to think that they have a right to do whatever they want. A strong sense of entitlement. As with all things that are dysfunctional, the imbalance eventually tips them over. Since the Fords are familiar with scales to weigh drugs (although they seem to ignore the ones that way themselves, both figuratively and literally), they will come to recognize that there is always a tipping point that sends them too far over. Unfortunately, others get crushed in the toppling. In this case, it may be the city of Toronto.

As a side note, I find it not surprising that Decal expanded into Chicago, notorius for corruption, past and present.

The Fords strong financial and other support of Toronto police also makes me question if there is some level of invovlement by some of the cops.

People never seem to learn any other way but the hard way.


Speysidephil
June 6, 2013 / 18:21

WOW! TBC
Talk out conspiracy theorists. You take the cake!

Gump
June 6, 2013 / 18:25

The wooden chair is obviously a cane wicker chair. Those are notorious weakly built (as is the case of art form over function) and after being left outside to rot by lazy house owners, would have easily shattered under the sweaty bulk of Rob Ford, especially when agitated on crack.

The white pipe is called System 636 flue gas vent pipe which is, by building code, necessary when installing high efficiency gas furnaces. Hence, the newly added grey-painted 1" gas line and meter and safety pipe (to avoid crack-addled, newspaper-reading, middle-finger signalling, KFC take-out greasy finger-ed, Lincoln Navigator SUV driving agitated mayors from taking out a gas pipe).

Gump
June 6, 2013 / 18:30

Or perhaps the IPEX PVC pipe is for venting crack smoke residue. Where is CSI's David Caruso's crack investigation team when you need them.

Torontosy
June 6, 2013 / 18:38

It's true that there appears to be a wooden chair inside the garage on the bottom left side, but it is unclear if that's what it is as the door is partially closed. The wooden chair is the key to finding the connection between the photo and the house. I'm guessing it will probably be moved by the Bassos soon unless someone else moves it.

I'm also wondering if the cell phone picture is taken from Anthony Smith's phone, why is it such a hazy picture (especially as it was taken outside) if the Anthony Smith video is of such high quality, as the reporters say? It must be two different phones, from two different persons.

I wonder what Jasmin Basso (or whatever her last name is, daughter of Elena Basso, 51) has to say about all this? Was she there that day?

Corey
June 6, 2013 / 18:48

Tell me again why we are talking about wooden chairs? I'm not seeing what's so compelling here...

Gawker
June 6, 2013 / 19:16

The Gawker article makes the following claims:

  • Ford frequented a home, at 15 Windsor Road in North Etobicoke, that was known to neighbours as “a crackhouse, essentially.”
  • Fabio Basso, the son of the owner of the home, is Ford’s longtime friend. When visiting, Ford would go on drug “binges” with members of the Basso family in the basement of the home.
  • The crack video was recorded six to eight months ago during one of these binges, when drug dealers from the neighbouring apartment building at 320 Dixon Road were called over to supply Ford and others at the Windsor Road house with crack.
  • The photo that was published along with the reports about the video by both Gawker and the Toronto Star was taken the same night as the video. Gawker‘s source told the website that the group that brought the drugs over asked for a photo with the mayor. Fabio Basso didn’t want them to take it inside the house, and so “Ford ran outside like a schoolgirl to have that picture taken.”
  • Days after Gawker broke the story of the video’s existence, “two large men” went to the home and demanded that Fabio Basso help them find the person who took the video.
  • After a few days of repeat visits, one of the men returned to the home and beat Basso and his girlfriend with a steel pipe, putting Basso in the hospital.

Tron
June 6, 2013 / 19:31

@NameRedacted- I have to applaud you, great thoughtful write up. Unfortunate talking to Ford Nation about logical thought is like teaching history to a Holocaust denier or science to somebody who thinks the dinosaurs couldn't exist (where's the video !!)If you cannot connect the dots after this, than you are just being willfully ignorant. I almost understand the lackey enabler in the Sun and Talk radio playing dumb on this story, they are so knee deep in Ford crap that's on them they can't step out. But why would a private citizen go online and act dumb against the obvious. It shows either no self-respect or brainwashed.

It's amazing that this blog is now probably the third biggest local scoop to this story, and did it by total accident, as I'm sure Mike had no idea how important Rinse comments were (nobody did). It seems the greater the story becomes the more absurd Ford nation deniers become. I literally laugh when somebody asked why mentioning this when there's been 900 combined tweets/likes in just 3/4 of a day and story having intrigued commented on by the likes of Andrew Coyne (Rightwing national commentator) and Lisa LaFlamme (CTV news anchor) You just have to shake your head to the blind mice supporters.

This whole this is just absurd, it's like an onion the more layers you peel the more it stinks. Here's the amazing thing, this started with people thinking he was drunk at a function, how different would everything be if Ford just said "I'm sorry, I had a bad night" instead he denied and Dougie says "I never seen Rob drink" therefore keeping the story going and the drug tips start coming in.

There's a couple of things that caught my eye in this story. Is these three, 40 & 50 somethings living at their elderly mom place & spend their time doing drugs there? I mean seriously that's messed up, even for druggies that's bad form. Secondly what's with "Accidental shootings" didn't Ford sister get accidently shot in Ford's property and now in the story there's talk about a drunken accidental shooting (not sure if that happened in this house or apartment) BTW how crazy is that, when asking about violent incidents connected to Ford (in picture or friendship), the answer is "which one?" Ridiculous indeed!

Gary
June 6, 2013 / 19:38

You know what else is absurd, Tron? We have a provincial government that has pissed away Billions in mismanagement (to put it lightly) and deleted emails and documents and nobody seems to care. You're argument about Ford and his 'nation' is no different than the left side not commenting or even caring as to what is going provincially.

As I wrote previously, I may never vote again. I don't trust any of them.

randyfitzimmons
June 6, 2013 / 19:45

This is not an article about the Liberal email scandal. That is getting PLENTY of press coverage, so I'm not sure what the point is in even bringing it up. The 'liberal media conspiracy' is such a giant crock. Remember the sponsorship scandal years back? No one was covering anything up then either. So can it. This post is about a mayor of a major city that is not only looking like he is an addict of illegal drugs, but hangs out with and is complicit in the harming of other individuals. The only proper response to this is to be sick in the stomach.

Anonymous
June 6, 2013 / 19:45

Come on, is this not the most damning part of the whole story? MONTHS before these current details have emerged, someone laid out the exact situation that is now being brought to light. That the photo of Rob Ford with two homicide victims was taken outside of a known crack house, owned by an older Italian woman who has a daughter named Jasmine. That is not a fucking coincidence.

name redacted
June 6, 2013 / 19:56

You know what else is absurd, Gary? We have a Federal government that is unable to account for $3.1 billion dollars. This same government is the latch key child of a government (Reform) which espoused the Triple E senate. Currently, the major of senators being investigated for misappropriation of money were appointed by the latch key child of that party (you know, the Conservatives)

Speaking of finances, under the Harper government, the Federal national debt has increased from about $460 million to nearly $600 billion dollars. Talking about pissing away billions (err, hundreds of billions).

The name of this blog is Toronto Mike. The blog owner is a resident of the City of Toronto (the Toronto prior to amalgamation). The blog owner has made it clear he did not vote for the Liberal Party of Ontario. If you can't grasp that, perhaps you need to go hang out with your incestuous circle jerk of friends at Sun Media.

Not Argie
June 6, 2013 / 20:19

Sorry about my comments here, guys. I just turned 35 and I'm still a virgin. It makes me want to anonymously fight strangers on the internet. This is all I have.

markosaar
June 6, 2013 / 20:23

I apologise Argie. I had you pegged at at least 60.

markosaar
June 6, 2013 / 20:43

I wish I could delete my comment now. I somehow didn't notice that it was "Not Argie". I thought I was replying to a sarcastic retort.

Speysidephil
June 6, 2013 / 20:46

@Not Argie

35 and still a virgin: My Condolences.
It's unfortunate that this site has been taken over by Left Wing Activists, who clearly have their own agenda: Pro Union, anti Ford etc. etc.

TA
June 6, 2013 / 20:46

This roundup by The Atlantic mentions the Rinse comment:

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/06/latest-disturbing-twist-rob-ford-saga/5821/

But they give Reddit credit for "digging it up". At least The Atlantic is writing about your site, Mike!

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 20:52

@Speysidephil

You're being ridiculous.

There's no left wing agenda here... there's never been. I don't even consider myself "left wing".

We're not anti-Ford, we're against a politician who lies through his teeth, is unable to compromise, bullies others and, oh yeah, smokes crack cocaine with drug dealers.

And where's the pro-union talk come from?

You're sounding more and more like Dave Williams every day.... Do you think this entire story has been fabricated to match Rinse's comment from March?

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 20:56

@markosaar

Not your fault. Someone posted as Argie and I changed it when I saw it wasn't his email address.

Let the record show when you commented "Not Argie" was simply "Argie".

Speysidephil
June 6, 2013 / 21:03

@Mike

I wasn't referring to you Mike, you own the blog.
I am referring to some of the outlandish accusations in some of the posts against the Fords.
The picture and the video is fair game, but some of the comments are just plain hatred.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 21:18

@ Speysidephil

You won't find a more alienating figure than Rob Ford. I personally find him extremely distasteful and would rather chew glass than share a coffee with him. I find him to be close-minded, bigoted, obnoxious, short-sighted and a classic bully.

I can't believe we voted him in, and I can't wait to see him lose in 2014.

He consistently lies when confronted about his circus-like antics and personal failures. He makes up numbers, lies to us frequently and now he's embroiled in a scandal that includes beatings, shootings, murder, racism, homophobia and more.

Meanwhile, he pretends like everything is fine, despite the daily breaking news and mass exodus of his seasoned insiders, on principle no less. He holds these phony press conferences that he never held before in a pathetic attempt to make it look like business as usual and to appeal to his base.

And with a third of his term to go, he's already in full reelection mode. He's not running the city, he's running for a second term.

It's disgusting. The rest of the world wonders why we tolerate this behavior. As a very proud Torontonian who was born at St. Joseph's hospital in Parkdale, I'm not about to sit back and watch one selfish, stupid man ruin this great city. I think the vast majority of comments you find "just plain hatred" are feeling what I'm feeling.

markosaar
June 6, 2013 / 21:35

Well we differ there. I would love to have coffee with Rob and pick his brain.

Hell, if I ever run into him when I walk through/past city hall, I'd absolutely offer him a pint.

I don't like where this has gone, but I'm fascinated by his stubbornness and determination.

Whiskey Drinker
June 6, 2013 / 22:07

I agree with you 100% mate. Argie and his comments are definitely way out there. Thanks for pointing that out.

Argie
June 6, 2013 / 22:12

No offense Mike, but your blog has gone to the shits. I am not blaming you, it's just that its been overtaken by left wing conspiracy nutters.

Toronto Mike
June 6, 2013 / 22:14

@Argie

No offense taken. Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Torontosy
June 6, 2013 / 23:27

The real issue with the cane wicker chair is that, if anybody is questioning whether or not this is the actual house where the photo is taken, there is undeniable proof as the same chair that appears in a Google Maps photo of the house is the chair that appears in the Rob Ford photo. I mean, the lighting fixture and the gas thing can theoretically be some other home, but what about such a unique chair?

Torontosy
June 6, 2013 / 23:48

Regarding the claim that local boys brought drugs for the party, firstly, if Elena Basco was an addict I'm sure they wouldn't have had to make such a large procedure about it. And why invite the dealers to the home to begin with to see Rob? But, let's fast forward to Rob smoking up. Would he have made the comments about minorities if the room was full of minorities? Most or all of the gang members must have left, or else why invite them back in to continue smoking the crack? What we must not forget is the tipster, because he is the one that got in contact with the media and got in contact with the Somalians. As I understand it, the tipster is white. Is it possible that one of the Basso's is collaborating with a tipster in order to get money? That seems to be reaching. Did the Somalians let the tipster know about the video after it happened? It seems like it, though I have no evidence for it. So, generally a random white guy doesn't find out about drug-related cell phone videos, so it may be a customer. Or did Jasmin betray her family and take the video? That would not explain why Anthony Smith and his friend from the photo got clipped. If Anthony Smith had the video, then he was there during the smoking up part. The two people so far that have been charged with the crime related to Anthony Smith and his friend would know the answers to this. You would think that they would be offered a deal to rat some people out in order to get out of jail time. Someone find out if the co-accused, Hanad Mohamed (father is Abdelkhadir Mohamed) and Nisar Hashimi, are Somalian. As I asked earlier though, why did the cell phone picture come out so grainy if the video on the cell phone shown to reporters was so clear? Were there two different phones or is the cell phone photo one that has been emailed around online, such that it loses its clarity as happens with JPEG (not TIF) files? How did the reporters get the picture, via email, or a paper copy when they met their informant?

Casual Crack user
June 7, 2013 / 00:27

I'm having a glass of Mike Boon single malt scotch. I want to tell you I live it. I love it. Hello Fergus Ontario.

Torontosy
June 7, 2013 / 01:04

Furthermore I want to know, why go after Basso when some gang dudes that got shot were the ones that took the video? Obviously, he would have had nothing to do with it and they are long gone. Rob Ford apparently mentioned two places where the video could be during the City Hall meeting, we know the first place as the apartment on Dixon Rd, was Basso's house the second place? Why would they think the video would still be there or they would know anything about the video, unless they suspected Basso's family of betraying the Mayor? Was it therefore a setup by Anthony Smith and Co., and Basso who were waiting for their chance to supply the Basso family with crack and take a video of Rob Ford? But it wouldn't make sense that the Basso family would realise a photo of Rob being in front of their house, especially as they were so concerned with the photo taken in their basement. If they took the photo, the Basso's must not have known what the plan was that nite (if there was a plan), otherwise they wouldn't have had a photo done of the garage.

Regarding why the video is not being released, perhaps the Somalians are part of a larger umbrella gang group and the higher-ups found out about it and decided it was bringing in too much attention. I mean, why otherwise would you pass up on $200k? Apparently, one of the people holding on to the video has fled to Windsor. Is he simply afraid of Rob's people? Were the people that went to beat up the Basso's Somalian or were they white? If they are white they are probably not gang members or supporters, if they are people of colour they might be. The racial background of the pipe welding rough guys can tell us if they are more likely Rob Ford's guys or not. Unless the Basso's lie about the identity.

After looking at pictures, the stories about Jasmin only jive if you believe that Elena Basso is a crack addict. Although she is thin she doesn't look brittle. However the older brother looks very thin, looks much younger than his 50-something age, and is in bad shape. Is it possible Rob passes by this home while placing magnets on cars? Have we seen in what context he wears this sweater, as we know he has worn it while "jogging", does he wear it while campaigning? But why would he bother campaigning in an area that already supports him (and his needs lol). If this is the middle of the day, wouldn't he be wearing a suit unless this is a Sunday? How far is Rob Ford's home from here, is it a walkable, so that maybe the crack was part of his walking routine?

Regarding the contention that the video is 6-8 months old, note that there is no snow in the Anthony Smith/Rob Ford photo, not on the chairs. or anywhere, nor as the men wearing winter jackets. Remember Toronto's snowfall this past season came Dec 27 2012, so it must have been before then. The weather was still crappy and snowy in March. So, supposedly Anthony Smith had been holding on the cell phone video for 6 months? As well, if they are shot in a club, why does the assassin have time or interest to grab their phone(s)? Certainly if you are in a club or outside of it, you would probably want to get away as fast as you can when you shoot. Were the alleged shooter(s) so poor that they decided to Rob their assaulted of their phones, only to find out later they are filled with blackmailable material? Perhaps more likely Rob Ford was indeed targeted for this video, but that knowledge was kept secret by the gang elite, so everybody assumes there were other reasons they were targeted. What are the locals saying about why Anthony Smith was targeted, and who are the different gang groups, their span of geographical control, and their demographic makeup.

Corey
June 7, 2013 / 06:56

If Irvine is going to continue to post here, I would prefer he just grow a pair and use his old name.

Mississauga Phil
June 7, 2013 / 08:28

@ Corey - You used to accuse me of being obsessed with Dave W (I deny it, but it is what you said). This is now the 2nd person this week you've said is Irvine, even if it is, who cares?

Argie
June 7, 2013 / 08:38

I know I can be a bit slow but its finally got through to me - Mike doesn't care about right or left wing, liberal or conservative, he just has a deep personal hatred and now vendetta for Rob Ford. He may disagree with him on policies, unions, and yes we can all agree Ford is clumsy, awkward, not good with the press or the public in some cases but the only reason he hates him so much is because Ford couldn't care less about the gay community - and that bugs the hell out of mike.

Mike and a few otheres here have preached to me "if you don't like abortion don't have one" and "if you aren't gay, why do you care about gay marriage?" So Mike, I now have to ask you IF YOU AREN'T GAY, WHY DO YOU CARE THAT ROB FORD HAS NO TIME FOR THE GAY COMMUNITY? (i.e. HOW DOES THIS EFFECT YOU?)

Zachary
June 7, 2013 / 08:47

So the Star just reported that Elena's legal last name is Johnson. Thus potentially identifying Jasmine's last name of Johnson as well. With the full name now revealed, here's hoping they can find our Jasmine.

Justin
June 7, 2013 / 09:46

The Star also reported Elena Johnson has been charged with trafficking cocaine in the past, further validating Rinse's story:

LINK

Torontosy
June 7, 2013 / 09:47

The Rob Ford scandal has gotten even more exciting. The current occupant of the Windsor Rd home is Elena Johnson, who was convicted of cocaine distribution in 2011. But please note, there is a big difference between cocaine and crack, in that crack is very, very cheap and cocaine is very, very expense, maybe 20 times more expensive than crack. Was Rob Ford smoking crack or cocaine?

If the Basso's as distributors (dealers) of drugs, why did they have to call some kids from the apartments for them? I'm sure they'd have their own private stash after buying larger quantities from some higher up people. Have they stopped distributing?

Also, it is usually the case that an individual is either an addict, or a distributor, not both as it is difficult to do both. The addict would smoke up his product so that there is nothing left to sell or make a profit of. However, Rinse's March 26 claim is that Elena is an addict, not a distributor. Had she become an addict recently after quitting being a distributor? Only the picture of her shows her to be at least normal looking, not scrawny and disheveled like her brother. If it is the case the Elena is really the brains, the distributor behind the operation, why didn't Rinse put it this way?


Argie
June 7, 2013 / 10:06

Still only smoke - no fire.

Shake
June 7, 2013 / 11:07

@SpeySidePhil There are random kittens wandering in and out of the garage's slightly ajar door. Not run down? I'd love to see what your idea of "run down" is. In fact I'd love to see where YOU live, if that's the case.

hot sushi
June 7, 2013 / 11:20

Argie: Generally when smoke is present, it can be inferred with a high degree of probability that a fire is present.

Anonymous
June 7, 2013 / 11:23

"Only the picture of her shows her to be at least normal looking, not scrawny and disheveled like her brother"

How 'bout now?:

http://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/woman-identified-by-friends-and-neighbours-as-elena-basso-a-news-photo/170033029

Corey
June 7, 2013 / 12:47

@Phil - I dunno. He's always been of the opinion that he can "toy" with us puppets. I guess I just don't want him thinking he's pulling something over on us.

You cared enough to comment on it when Argie asked Mike if Irvine was posting under another name.

So you're denying that when Dave Williams didn't acknowledge a post you'd make, you'd ask him why he wasn't replying?

Ryan P
June 7, 2013 / 13:35

Mike,

Not sure if this was brought up or not...but I'm wondering if there is a link between Rob Ford's visit/"vacation" to Edmonton.

This balcony fall guy is based in Ft McMurray...along with the guy who's been convicted of murder.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/police-investigate-balcony-fall-linked-to-ongoing-ford-mystery/article12409189/

Any ideas? Maybe he had a second crack source while on vacation...or a meet up with them

Toronto Mike
June 7, 2013 / 14:23

@Ryan P

When word of the video came out there was chatter in the comments of that entry about Ford's visits to Edmonton a.k.a. Crack City.

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June 7, 2013 / 16:51

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Tron
June 7, 2013 / 18:17

The whole Alberta connection is certainly strange and seems way more than a coincidence. Remember when the crack story first broke the guy who is selling the video said he wanted to start a new life in Alberta. Than literally a week after the story broke (the next Friday) someone is arrested in Alberta (with a total media blackout that most people didn't know until Tuesday) that exact same Friday Silent Rob started talking after a week of silence saying there's no video

Somebody wrote this, a list of what happened to the people/place involved in that single photo Ford was in. 1 person in photo dead by gun, 1 person in photo injured by gun, 2 people who live in the house injured by blunt weapon. You would think somebody who has association with them would be asked some questions, and something more than "any more questions".

This is what makes Ford nation cultish, this is what makes Ford nation "not normal". Yes each side gives their side a bit too much benefit of the doubt, but there is a breaking point. I can't find too many RW okay with Duffy Senate scam, I won't see many write ups from LW excusing deleting emails by Dalton. But Ford nation stays behind their guy, hell they don't even want an investigation, they think replying "Anything else" to serious questions is acceptable. That's why I view them as cultish, they put a man in front of everything else. Fordites rather stay in the dark than know what actually happened.

It's an international story because it's so strange, with Ford nation trying to compare to other stuff it shows how out of touch they are. Yeah government get mismanaged, governments get full of themselves, and then governments fall. Heck it happens more often than not, and it is a story. But a crack smoking Mayor while he's still in office is so pathetic and unique that's why it's noticed and to deflect it as "no big deal" shows how out of touch you are with the rest of society. Like Jimmy Kimmel said, Ford put the city on the map, there's literally two big city mayors known to smoke crack in this continent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbKRJCWtB4g

joe
June 7, 2013 / 18:34

this is what will bring down Rob in the right hands.

Corey
June 7, 2013 / 18:56

Is anybody actually reading Tron or Torontosy's screeds in their entirety?

cube
June 7, 2013 / 20:35

Tron's yes, Torontosy's not as much (sorry, I just think you're getting a little ahead of yourself).

Tron makes a very good point when comparing reactions to current federal CP and provincial LP scandals. Supporters of both parties are objective enough to admit that what has transpired is pretty abhorrent, and questions need to be answered. I also agree that there are a lot of Ford haters who started salivating when this crack story broke. But the denial of Ford Nation really is quite cult like. When I hear them speak it often seems like they really can't get past their hatred of the left to somewhat objectively look at all the information that's come out so far.

Is there clear cut evidence that Ford smokes, or smoked, crack? No. Are there far too many connections & coincidences that paint an extremely questionable, if not shady, picture of Twin Ford Mayor? Undoubtedly!

Give Your Head a Shake
June 8, 2013 / 00:00

I swear to God, if I read one more person's comment anywhere on teh interwebs saying "I'd take a crack-smoking Ford over Miller any day" I think imma just lose my sh*t. I used to think there was a limit to how ignorant and ridiculous people could get.

Now I know I was mistaken. It's a bottomless pit.

Ben Vidal
June 8, 2013 / 08:46

uh oh.... latest article on the globe says fords campaign manager won't return unless he enters rehab. I find this hillarious, because I thought rob ford was already campaigning. what will it take for ford nation to wake up?

Argie
June 8, 2013 / 10:42

Ben,

Well if the Globe and Star says its so, then I believe them completely.

Have you always been this gullible?

Anonymous
June 8, 2013 / 10:47

Ford only one because people wanted to get the elitists.

This is what happens when you vote to irk the downtown populace.

Argie: do you live in Toronto?

ACITceva
June 8, 2013 / 19:18

Well if Towhey and Kouvalis did NOT say the things that reliable sources have attributed to them you'd think they would have publicly denied it or distanced themselves from it right? Turns out neither have.

Torontosy
June 8, 2013 / 21:14

I have viewed the photo of Elena Basso and agree with the poster who think she may look like she is in crack. She doesnt look normal, she looks too shriveled up to be normal.

I believe I am a realist in my posts and want to be practical. Where we are is that apparently no video exists (please note that Gawker's contact has confirmed that the person who showed the reporters the video says the video is gone, but that means he is NOT in custody. Unless the Gawker contact is lying and covering for the accused shooters of Anthony Smith and his friend.

Since we cannot depend on a video showing up right now, the only thing left are witnesses. Apparently Jasmin Johnson, daughter of Elena Basso, is a witness. Let's have her answer questions.

Are any of the accused Somalians? What are people theories behind why some dude was thrown from a balcony, was he Somalian, and can anybody get a hold of him? What about the "accidental" shooting at the Dixon Rd apartment, who was accidentally shot and who did the shooting? Dont people get charged for gun possession these days?

Torontosy
June 8, 2013 / 21:26

I have viewed the photo of Elena Basso and agree with the poster who think she may look like she is in crack. She doesnt look normal, she looks too shriveled up to be normal.

I believe I am a realist in my posts and want to be practical. Where we are is that apparently no video exists (please note that Gawker's contact has confirmed that the person who showed the reporters the video says the video is gone, but that means he is NOT in custody. Unless the Gawker contact is lying and covering for the accused shooters of Anthony Smith and his friend.

Since we cannot depend on a video showing up right now, the only thing left are witnesses. Apparently Jasmin Johnson, daughter of Elena Basso, is a witness. Let's have her answer questions.

Are any of the accused Somalians? What are people theories behind why some dude was thrown from a balcony, was he Somalian, and can anybody get a hold of him? What about the "accidental" shooting at the Dixon Rd apartment, who was accidentally shot and who did the shooting? Dont people get charged for gun possession these days?

Specialist
June 9, 2013 / 13:21

I think it's the chemtrails doing all this.

TBC
June 9, 2013 / 16:16


A picture is worth a thousand words, and in this case both the pictures and words are very funny.
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/rob-ford-has-a-terrible-photographer

Great article by Andrew Potter in Ottawa Citizen
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/story_print.html?id=8495530&sponsor=

TBC
June 9, 2013 / 16:20


Also, not if this was previously posted but here is a great recap. Connect the dots...

http://www.thegridto.com/blog-post/the-emerging-ford-drama-in-chronological-order/

Anonymous
June 9, 2013 / 19:08

just listened to the mayor and doug on their weekly radio show on cfrb 1010. globe and mail wrote an article about it today. the globe didnt mention that both rob and doug were laughing about throwing adam vaughan off the top of city hall. how is that acceptable content on a public radio show, let alone from the freaking mayor!? all of the media took well documented offense to being called maggots on the same radio program, however, i am much more offended that they jest about murder.
political office is about more than simply fiscal management. they're representatives of our city. role models for our children. they complain that the media are bullying them while they joke about throwing an elected official off the top of city hall.
a statement needs to be made from the police as to whether the mayor's office is under investigation. there is so much speculation about violence connected to the mayor's office and now he is making jokes about murdering his colleagues on public radio.

Corey
June 9, 2013 / 20:10

@ Anonymous

Meh. The were only talking about Adam Vaughn. Relax.

Anonymous
June 9, 2013 / 20:35

I don't usually trust stories off of anonymous sources (especially the ones lacking evidence - like the ones we have had to date with the emails, knowledge of tape, office problems etc.), but this one is different and here's why:
1) This was posted in March, roughly 2 months before any crack allegations. Sure, there were "rumours" of substance abuse, but picking out a single drug like crack is interesting. When stories of this magnitude break, there will always be people making up stories and without proof, no one can say with any confidence which of the stories are true. This poster, "Rinse" had no incentive to be published or try to throw off reporters or gain more twitter followers or anything. No real motive for making something up.
2) She references an Italian family who smokes with Ford and a friend named Jasmin who knows what is going on. According to this thread and news sources, the family owning the house is Italian with a "Jasmine" relative (different spelling, but hey, my uncle still can't spell out my own name, so this typo isn't a big deal). While we can't say for sure that the family has been smoking crack with Ford or smoking at all, it is still interesting that most of these details match up.
3) "Rinse" has made 3 successful claims in a single post (1. Crack, 2. Italian family, 3. Jasmin), 2 months before any of this information surfaced publicly. While the first claim isn't a successful claim as of today, the fact that she is associating crack with the mayor without any media influence cannot be ignored. Statistically speaking, it would be extremely rare for someone to guess a drug, a culture and a specific name all in one post and be right. This is why this anonymous source is different.
Couple all of this with the picture of the Mayor at the house and it is finally something people can sink their teeth in.

Corey
June 10, 2013 / 08:53

@ Anonymous

Don't mean to be rude, but your 3 points were blatantly obvious from Mikes original post 4 days ago. This thread has officially run its course I'd say.

Anonymous
June 10, 2013 / 14:33

corey

you're not the "official" of this forum. good riddance.

Tron
June 10, 2013 / 14:53

I really want to thank you Cube for the kind word, means a lot to me. BTW when you wrote "I almost wish that something like this would happen to a non-Ford politician, to reveal all the hypocrisy" There is already so many examples of their hypocrisy from Giambrone cheating on his GF (yes GF, he wasn't even married) to now excusing Ford's drug use. To Ford conflict of interest removal and saying "He won his election he should fill out the term, respect that election" to same people wanting a snap election in Ont that was already decided AFTER the Mayor election. These guys have no standard for anything.

@Anom 19:18- It is kind of disturbing with all the violence surrounding the Ford's to be so full of themselves to even joke about mafia style hit on people. It's bizarre psyche on their part. To add to that, the Fords were complaining just this week about threats to him, and then say something like that. Just shows how disingenuous these guys are.

BTW, this is the second time the Fords made public about threats they feel that went to them or their family. No other politician (left or right) I could recall does that. I'm sure other's get it as well, from my understanding authorities want to keep those threats on the low key so it doesn't encourage others or embolden the people doing it. But the Ford twice already has gone public with theirs. These guys always need to portray themselves as "victims" more than anybody else. Both times the Ford come out with that, is when there was controversy around them & to deflect it. Show how low they would stoop.

On a lighter note, that photo of Elena with the cat, does look a bit like the crazy cat lady from The Simpsons

Torontosy
June 10, 2013 / 18:16

The obituary could be wrong in spelling Jasmine or the post to this site may be wrong in spelling it Jasmin. Can somebody get an interview from her?

I am concerned that the Rob Ford crack story is dead. It has not appeared in the Toronto Star since last weekend. Did Rob Ford's lawyer's get to the Star? Or did the Star's lawyers decide to drop it? They have not followed up on the Basso lead adequately. There are way to many people in that family and somebody knows something.

Anonymous
June 10, 2013 / 21:58

torontosy

maybe this will cheer while u wait for the next story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DurRGhie8GU

u might not think this clip is funny but i do bc i try to imagine what ford is thinking about? this huge scandal and he looks like he is thinking about hot dogs. that and i think the guy in the suit went out of his way to call ford a crackhead and then crossed the street. no idea what the sign says in the background.

http://www.citynews.ca/2013/06/10/separated-bike-lanes-unveiled-on-sherbourne-street-in-toronto/

Torontosy
June 10, 2013 / 22:34

Thanks for the video, but I saw it already. It peculiar how sensational this story was a few days ago but has died today. Who has gotten to the media? Somebody should give them a call, this is very strange. Did the Basso family get a lawyer?

Toronto Mike
June 10, 2013 / 22:47

@torontosy

It's not dead, just sleeping... nobody wants to think about it during a weekend in June but it'll be back.

Torontosy
June 10, 2013 / 22:48

What was the exact IP for Rinse?

Toronto Mike
June 10, 2013 / 22:55

@Torontosy

Why do you want Rinse's exact IP address?

Torontosy
June 11, 2013 / 00:17

Search for it in google, maybe you will come up with something. Or do a whois search for exact address, find out if it's a home computer or a library, or maybe even a school library, and where in Toronto.

Torontosy
June 11, 2013 / 00:54

As well, are you able to find out if any other name has made posts to your site from that same IP address?

Can somebody search other Rob Ford related articles online looking for comments made an hour before and an hour after Rinse's comment, in case others look like they may be posted by Rinse?

Torontosy
June 11, 2013 / 00:57

Actually you already wrote: Rinse commented from an IP address that has never commented on TorontoMike.com before or since. The IP address belongs to a Toronto Rogers customer.

Corey
June 11, 2013 / 08:53

I love how people think that knowing an IP address is going to provide you with every detail about the person. The best you're going to find out is the name of the ISP. Anything else would require a court order. What if Rinse has a dynamic IP address? They reset their router and suddenly the have a different one. Give it a rest Torontosy.

Edwin Bautista
June 11, 2013 / 13:25

Sign the Rob Ford - Gawker Funding Petition! Pass it around!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/robford/

Whereas the crack video with Rob Ford is reportedly missing:

We petition Gawker to use the $200,000+ they raised as a reward for corroborating evidence, witness statements, etc. to police and/or the media regarding Rob Ford smoking crack inside the house he is photographed in front of on the day the crack video was filmed there.

Edwin Bautista
June 11, 2013 / 14:11

Maybe Mike if you can make a blog post about this petition it could really be helpful in getting the word out.

Anonymous
June 11, 2013 / 19:30

haha corey looks like you "[ran your] course" right back to criticizing everyone else's posts, without having any insights of your own. Torontosy is entitled to his opinion and you are not a censor. Why do u continue to come here without anything to offer, other than telling everyone else to shut up. You even go so far as to tell TorontoMike to "give his head a shake"! There wouldnt be a "Rinse" post if it weren't for TorontoMike. Maybe I missed the TorontoCorey blog that helped to further this investigation?

Torontosy - re: the basso's - last i saw the star followed elena to the beer store and she made fake sign language gestures, pretending to be deaf, when asked for an interview. they are not public figures so i'm not sure how much the media can press them to speak. i think the media inquiry into the sealed warrant for hanad mohamed might yield something but it will take weeks, if it all. it's only a matter of time. the truth will surface. slow burn. it's encouraging that you are trying to be proactive in considering possible lines of inquiry.

Corey
June 12, 2013 / 16:31

@Anonymous -

Wow. Argie warned me that my comment telling Mike to "give his head a shake" would be taken seriously by some moron. I didn't believe him though - I didn't think anyone would be that stupid. Guess I was proven wrong.

Anonymous
June 12, 2013 / 22:58

corey

you're right, i didn't read the neighbouring posts and took your comment out of context. i apologize. I came late to this forum and in parsing previous comments, i noticed that you have exhibited a pattern of sarcastic, dismissive and belligerent remarks. for example, prefacing a statement with a disclaimer "not to be rude", doesn't give you license to do so, it simply portrays bad manners. furthermore, i dont think it is productive to simply dismiss those opinions by self-proclaiming that this forum has "run its course". obviously it has not bc we continue to post messages.
as to the matter of my mental faculties, in fact, I am a highly educated person, whom frequents this forum in search of information and discourse pertinent to the investigation of the rob ford scandal. i hope that you are like-minded so that we may continue this discussion in a manner that is inclusive to all participants. In contrast, it is subversive to resort to juvenile acts of name-calling and derision. your criticisms do not contribute to this objective. corey, anyone can criticize, however, research and insight will further this discussion. from that standpoint, i would appreciate any contribution that you have to offer. for example, your input regarding IP addresses is helpful but there's no reason to conclude your comment by silencing torontosy.
are we pursuing the same interest? if so, why do you continually ridicule participants? do you want to find the truth of the scandal? i do and i implore the other participants to speak their ideas freely and openly. i find your dismissive and belittling sense of decorum is akin to a Fordist mentality. please stop.
sorry for the long post, i hope we can be civil and advance the relevant issues going forward. thnx.

Torontosy
June 15, 2013 / 12:17

Now that there have been widespread drug-related arrests on Rob Ford's home turf, in particular the building in which it is alleged that one of the videos was being hidden in, how can we explain this? Is Rob Ford cracking down on the neighbourhood punishing him for betraying him? Does the video still exist and are the police looking for it? Or, are the police actually building a case against Rob Ford? As apparently, the info gathered on Etobicoke was given up by some of the people arrested recently. Why did they give up so much info if they have so much on the mayor, supposedly? The accused must not longer have the video, therefore they are not the ones that blackmailed Rob Ford to begin with, unless they were robbed of the video, in which case, who robbed them?

Let's start from the beginning, from the possible videographers. There are the drug dealing dudes that may or may not have been in the Bassos basement when Rob Ford was smoking up there. There are the Bassos. Then there is potentialy Jasmin Johnson, who is Elena Basso's daughter, and also possibly her brother/cousin.

The most likely culprits are the drug dealers, right? It is clear that Elena Basso is loyal to Rob Ford, so did Elena's brother take the photo? As I've already noted, the photo is grainy while the video was supposedly very clear. I wonder if the original photo was as foggy, or has it become foggy because people have been passing it around? So, the picture was taken either by the Bassos, or another drug dealer, or an assistant to Rob Ford.

Now, with all the tumult in the Mayor's Office, it is quite possible the photo was leaked by a staffer. But how would the staffer know which Etobicoke hoodlum to co-opt into meeting with Gawker or the Toronto Star? Not likely, except for Rob Ford's highschool coach and current staffer, forgot his name. He was the one that repotedly told Ford's chief of staff that he knew where the photo was and the apartment. So he may have been there with Rob Ford, especially as it is alleged that he used to do drug dealing with Doug Ford.

But, if the coach took the photo and/or video, it would not explain how it got into the Somalians hands. The coach is loyal, and the Fords of course know a lot of dirt on the guy for the aforementioned reasons. So it wasn't the coach who leaked it, unless he took both the photo and the video and was robbed of it. Unlikely.

It is much more likely that one of the drug dealers took the video and someone of them took the photo, especially given all the violence. If Anthony Smith had the video, was killed by Somalians for it, who then tried to sell it, those Somalians must have broken their ties with the accused. Yet ask yourself, if it was the accused who gave up all these dozens of people in Etobicoke, with their names, addresses and everything, why wouldn't he have also told him where the Rob Ford video still is? Because they dont have it, otherwise they would blackmail ford with it.

Torontosy
June 16, 2013 / 03:01

The three individuals posing with Rob Ford in the famous photograph have been identified. They are: "Monir Kassam" "anthony smith" "Muhammad Khattak". Monir Kassam was arrested in the police raid. I don't think he has the video otherwise they wouldn't arrest him because they'd know he can blackmail the mayor.

Torontosy
June 16, 2013 / 10:22

There are accusations by Global News that apparently the police knew about the video even before it was shown to the Toronto Star and Gawker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxko5qQzBUI

Torontosy
June 16, 2013 / 10:26

They have some gang expert on the global news segment why the gang known as the "Dixon Bloods" are being targeted when there are such bigger gangs in Toronto.

Torontosy
June 16, 2013 / 10:29

The following is an accusation that can't be discounted, given how it appears that Rob Ford is so intimate with crack, people associated with crack and taking photographs with dealers of crack in front of homes of people convicted of crack dealing. It is one of the comments posted on the Global TV youtube link I gave above:

Here is an interesting concept that could very well be true.

The Mayors Office and the Toronto Police Dept have their hands in on the drug sales on the streets of Toronto. They control who does it and they get their cut of the profits.

It appears that the current relationship with the Dealers and the Authorities has gone sour.

As soon as the media got involved and the scandal began, the PR teams started damage control and mass amounts of troops went into clean up mode.

Torontosy
June 16, 2013 / 10:37

I just want to write the following. As I've written before that those accused of murder right now, Nisar Hashimi and Hanad Mohamed, could not have the video otherwise they would be blackmailing the police with it, it is possible then that they were hired by someone else to shoot Anthony Smith and his friend. Therefore, as Gangs operate on a hierarchical basis, either the head of the gang authorized it, or a rival gang authorized it, or the police authorized it.

Torontosy
June 16, 2013 / 10:38

In other words, it appears they were hired hitmen.

Torontosy
June 16, 2013 / 23:05

No one has a reply? Have I monopolized the conversation? Can someone release Rinse's IP address?

james
June 16, 2013 / 23:32

@Torontosy:
No, yes, and why?

Anonymous
June 17, 2013 / 18:20

you have been busy torontosy.

here's my impression of how the night may have unfolded when the video was shot

i think smith was the leader of the group of three and kassim was close with khattak and tagged along. they wanted to take a photo and fabio made them go outside. ford was high and giddy (which seems to be his expression in the photo). the photo is poor quality bc it is not well-lit, whereas the video is in daylight or some decent light. i think the photo was taken on smiths' phone, as was the video. i think fabio took the photo. i think smith took the video. hard to say who was talking in the video. i want to say monir but all three are visible minorities and ford bashed his football players for racial reasons so that conversation is hard to imagine. best guess, i suspect monir was goading ford to distract him so that smith could covertly shoot the video. i dont think they wanted to extort the mayor. i think they liked rob. i think they just wanted to show it off.
smith probably ran small amounts of crack over for elena and that night fabio placed an order for him and rob. fabio vouched for them. maybe it happened a few times and gradually rob felt more comfortable or he was already a little high and lowered his guard? dunno. anyway, i think the guys who supplied smith found out about the video and smith wouldn't partner with his dealer to sell the video. the dealer might have hired mohammed maybe hamimi too or hamimi wanted to work his way up the gang. i think mohammed was hired just bc he was rarely in toronto recently and seems like he was desperate to make money. possibly he still worked for the gang, expanding into alberta but there hasnt been enough info about the alberta aspect so im not sure. i think to the dealers that smith had a 100k price tag on his head. it proved difficult for them to sell the video but at the time it must have seemed easy and less risky than drugs or guns. a lot of transactions to make 100k vs. one phone for a big score.
as far as i know, khattak was really small potatoes. monir even smaller. 800 cops is huge. so yeah, i think the timing/scale of police relative to the size/potency of the dixon gang is more than a coincidence with the ford scandal.
if the police hadnt found out about the video thru wiretap than i think the operation would have played out differently. i think it forced blair's hand. like all ford's staff bailing out; blair doesnt want to go down with it either. blair doesnt report to ford but i think the public would react against blair we found out down the road that he knew and didnt act.

Torontosy
June 17, 2013 / 22:49

Interesting kind of theories. I'm really happy you've shared.

The thing is, if it was done with Anthony Smith's phone, both the video and the picture, wouldnt the picture be better because it was done outside during the day where theoretically good lighting, or was it a particularly dark day when inside was lighter?

Anonymous
June 17, 2013 / 23:51

my understanding is that the video was taken first, indoors, during the day. then that night the photo was taken. it is possible that the photo was enlarged to zoom in on the faces for the media publications (and that made it lower resolution). the light in the photo doesn't look natural. it looks like a flash. look at the highlight on ford's pants and the shadows on his sweater are cast upwards. light is not coming from overhead like the sun. also the brick wall behind khattak is darker. seems like there is a halo around the figures created by the flash. i dont own a digital camera so i could be wrong. not sure how the dealers gave the photo to the star/gawker? maybe they printed the photo or some kind of generation loss occurred? all speculation but i seem to remember that john cook was clear that the photo was at night and the video during the day.
the killers shot smith point blank in the back of the head so this leads me to believe that he had the phone. khattak was shot in the back and arm, trying to run away after smith was killed. hes been allowed to live since then. hashimi and mohamed plead innocent and claim never to have met smith. the somali leaders say it was over drugs. the police have some surveillance footage of the bar. lots of witnesses but none came forward. my impression of smith is that he was a well respected leader. minor criminal. training to be a social worker. it would be helpful to know more about hashimi/mohamed and the windsor/ft.mcmurray connections.
did you hear the dean blundell interview with robyn doolittle from like 2 weeks ago? somewhat foreshadowed the dixon gang connections.

Torontosy
June 18, 2013 / 11:30

Hi, I haven't listened to the Dean Blundell with Robyn Doolittle show until now. But I've found links to the both times that Robyn Doolittle was on the show:

Apparently she was on the June 7th show but I can't find where, so perhaps someone can, from 57:20 of this:
LINK

Note the Toronto Star Tim "Illenciak" and Jesse "McLain" went through Etobicoke for weeks looking for the building.

She divulged a confidential source, that Dave Profett who was visiting the home, said that Fabio Basso was old friends with Ford.

Apparently most people say Anthony Smith was not involved in drugs. Yet obviously someone brought drugs for them?

Doolittle says the picture says the picture is at night. That he's not in his official clothing, he is looking grubby, not in his official capacity.

However, I do not hear anything that foreshadowed the Dixon gang connections.

At 5:36 or before of the May 27 show, and again at the 44:20 mark, and most importantly at the 1:05:00 mark they start talking about Ford: LINK

At th 1:05:00 mark, Doolittle says she has contacts in gangs and this is part "of a larger story". But the Star has never written about this "larger story", has it?

Torontosy
June 18, 2013 / 11:37

At the 1:06:07 mark, she is asked what will be unfolding in the future and what comment she has to John Stackhouse saying lots will come out in the future? She says this... "what can I say... Star's main objective is to get the video out, and we are trying hard not to compromise that". Was she talking about the Police letting her know not to compromise their planned crackdown, and their threats to arrest the journalists if they compromise that?

Torontosy
June 18, 2013 / 11:59

I have another point to make. Anthony Smith was shot before 3 a.m. on March 28. The Gawker story was published Thursday May 16, 2013. I dont remember exactly when they looked at the video, but let's say it's up to a week beforehand. When the Toronto Police allegedly heard about the Rob Ford crack video before Gawker and Toronto Star knew, did they know while Anthony Smith had the video or afterwards?

If they knew about Anthony Smith having the video, perhaps he was trying to sell it? I mean, why kill him for the video, why not just rough him up somewhere stick him in your car and rob him of the phone? Or forgive me for being timid, but killing is not the only option? Why pay 100k to someone for it? I mean Anthony Smith (apparently?) lives in the ghetto, would it really have been so hard to grab him on his way back from the club, punch him and take the phone? I imagine he didn't have a gun with him going or coming out of the club? Why not just follow him and text him, watch him pull out the phone, punch him and grab the phone? Therefore he must not have been killed for the phone, if so then why was he killed? Was he killed because they wanted to stop the video from being disseminated, and therefore a rogue Dixon Road gang group was the one trying to sell the video? It is quite possible that the gangs in the area don't operate in the typical hiearchical fashion, with one head of everyone, but instead a patchwork of gangs associated with each other. I don't know. Regardless, to take someone out for a phone (after he's had it for a good amount of time) doesn't make too much sense to me unless he ticked off people in an extreme fashion. Maybe the Fords or the Bassos or other authorities had him killed because of what they witnessed? And the alleged killers are innocent people that are fall guys?

Maybe the Dixon gang tried to sell the video to the media out of revenge for the killing of Anthony Smith?

Anonymous
June 19, 2013 / 11:54

i havent listened to the second blundell interview, thnx.

the first interview both blundell and to a lesser extent doolittle said that the ford scandal was connected to a larger drug trade in toronto. blundell said that he couldnt say at the time but that toronto would be shocked when it came out. the star wrote an article in dec. 2012 about ford getting kicked out of a bar for being way too intoxicated. blundell provided a quote for that article, even tho he wasnt there. if u read between the lines it seems pretty clear that ford was on coke. sarah thomson had to research the behaviour patterns of someone on coke. most councillors wouldnt recognize it. but i'd trust the bouncers, dj, bartenders to know and when to throw someone out bc that cant handle their coke. ford staffers were there too, not sure which ones but probably some that jumped ship recently bc they know the truth.
the star was first to view the video. that took place on may 3. the video was shot before the winter. smith had the video for a considerable time before the story came out. the dealers tried to sell it within the first month of his death. the dealers plan was to sell the video and start a new life in alberta. smith was trying to become a community/social leader. doesnt make sense for him to throw his life away. the fords would ruin him. plus he'd be associated with a crack den which doesnt make u a good social leader. i think smith saw the hypocrisy of the situation and that why he video taped it. smith is born into the ghetto. he's smart and a leader in his community but it's an uphill battle to get out. whereas, here is this pigman ford, born into riches, the leader of a huge city and he's hiding in a crack den going downhill. i think the boys had fun. not often u smoke with the mayor.
i think the gang killed smith bc he refused to release it. it went on for months. they killed him for the money but also to make an example of him. if a gang wants to be respected then they cant just let someone in their community say no. then other people would say no or not comply. killing him is extreme in our world but not in theirs. a lot of gang violence is over nothing, 100k is a lot. social workers start at 40k/yr. smith could have made that in 2.5yrs. the dealers dont have a lot of options.
it's really sad what happened to smith and what is happening to the somali community. most people only care about their taxes. what does that say about our society? personally i dont feel as proud as i'm told that i should be. that pride feels like a blanket to cover up the poverty and corruption. ford's always talking about "the people, the folks", he doesnt give a shit about the somali community. he'll let them suffer anything as long as he doesnt lose his seat. it's a microcosm of our social structure. the rich dont give a shit about the poor unless their status is affected and then they will do anything to suppress the poor to retain power. gross and sad.

Torontosy
June 20, 2013 / 22:38

Some people have written about in other jurisdictions the political partnerships that the poor sometimes makes with the rich, against the middle class.

I see your point about them making an example of Smith. But pay 100k for that example, a little too much wouldn't you say? Probably jobs like that go for less if the killers are promised high positions in the gang. On the other hand, they would have needed the money to start afresh in Alberta.

There were others who had the video though. Apparently there was a Windsor connection. How do you explain these others?

Finally, most importantly, how do you explain the police cracking down on the gang if quite possibly they have the video? Wasn't the gang able to blackmail enough to avoid arrest? It tells me that they don't have the video anymore.

Torontosy
June 20, 2013 / 22:39

Also, why throw that dude over the roof in Alberta?

Torontosy
June 21, 2013 / 11:43

Also if Anthony Smith was an aspiring community leader, why is he selling crack to the Bassos? Or were his friends selling it and he was tagging along? At least one of his friends if not both have been arrested during the recent sting operation.

Anonymous
June 21, 2013 / 15:35

Hey, because this thread still seems alive...

I posted this comment some days ago on the "open mike" thread. Not sure if anyone cares or think it's of interest, but here what I wrote:

In case people are still interested...

There's a "rinseout" posting on the social media site untz.ca. He's about the right age (24), and he's based in Southern Ontario. He had an active account...until his last entry on June 5th, 2013, in which he seems to have all but shut down his site (apparently there were pics, etc.) but it's all gone except for one "peace out" message posted on his wall.

June 5th, of course, is the day the 15 Windsor Rd. story broke, and when the Bassos became a news story. It's also the same date that the Rinse comment went viral.

Could be a coincidence, but maybe not?

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Here's the profile page:
http://untz.ca/profile.php?user_id=180387

If you follow the comments on his profile, it seems his name is Nick. Anyways... I'm not sure it's worth really pursuing, so I'll leave for others to judge if it's something or not... just thought I'd share.

Torontosy
June 22, 2013 / 13:16

This is a really exciting angle! Note that I heard Jasmin(e) Johnson (Basso) is in her 20s, same age as this guy.

Note that urban dictionary defines rinseout (in 2006) as:
a word that began in toronto for going and spinning jungle records with your friends.
lets go rinseout with darksideflow

hey that was a sick rinseout

Torontosy
June 22, 2013 / 13:19

Note also that Rinse's email was rinse@rinseout.com, so there is some evidence of this name "rinseout". If it was a Rogers IP then he is likely using his home computer, therefore he probably live in Toronto not hamilton or elsewhere.

Torontosy
June 22, 2013 / 13:48

BINGO. Here are pictures of rinseout, our Macedonian friend, from internet wayback machine. BE SURE TO SAVE THESE ON YOUR COMPUTER BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEM. http://web.archive.org/web/20111010114955/http://untz.ca/profile.php?user_id=180387

Anonymous
June 22, 2013 / 17:02

right, rinseout is a term from electronic dance music (I think it's a DnB term). It seems a safe bet that whoever this guy was, he's into DJing and/or electronic music. (The rinseout at untz.ca seems to be a DJ according to the comments, btw).

Is it possible to have a domain name without an accompanying website? What I mean is, shouldn't there be a rinseout.com website? It's obviously not operational now, though, because if you go to rinseout.com, you get a dead site.

Anyways ,I'm not going to really pursue this, since I've spent too much time going around in circles.

Good luck!

Torontosy
June 22, 2013 / 17:52

It's not possible to have a domain name without an accompanying website. He doesn't have that name. How did you make the connection between his posting on this blog as "rinse" and the profile on untz of "therinse"?

Toronto Mike
June 22, 2013 / 17:58

If someone owns a domain name, they can have the email address active but not the site.

Rinseout.com is owned by someone in Deerfield Beach, Florida... so I don't think that address Rinse used was ever valid for him/her.

Torontosy
June 22, 2013 / 20:32

Waiting for your reply anonymous, how did you make the link?

Anonymous
June 23, 2013 / 04:26

Just to be clear, I certainly have NOT found any connection, I only thought it could be a possibility on account of the name, and the fact that the person stopped his account (which was active right up until) on the day the story broke June 5th, 2013. All photos et cetera erased.

BTW: the profile name on untz is "rinseout" not "therinse".

Frankly, though, it's a bit of a stretch that, even if it were him, that would get us anywhere. Presumably you could scour rinse's social media presence for links to Jasmin(e)... and then what?

It seems a dead-end, if you ask me.

Just thought I'd share it in case someone wanted to pursue it.

Torontosy
June 25, 2013 / 15:07

I want to return to our theories about Anthony Smith. What if he had the video but no one cared about it, and that wasn't the reason he was killed? Maybe it was a coinky-dink that he happened to have been with the same friends that he had been smoking crack with the mayor with.

The police sources do not state that they knew about the video before Anthony was shot, actually the police sources have not been so specific.

If I ask myself, why did it take a full Toronto winter to shoot anthony smith, then I'd say the alternative is that they didn't want him during that time. Also, to get the video, they could have just robbed him of it.

If it were a big plot to extract money from the media, you would think that they would have sold the video or are holding it for blackmail purposes. But because they haven't sold the video, and because they are not holding it for blackmail purposes as otherwise they wouldn't have all been arrested to begin with, I must conclude that the selling of the video wasn't some centrally planned mastermind of a plot but instead what some guys from a crew wanted to do to make some money. It wasn't coordinated as otherwise someone out there would be able to leak the video out. That's what I think. And that's why the guy or guys with the video ran away, because they weren't centrally protected by the gang.

So, if it wasn't centrally planned, if Anthony Smith wasn't told to hand over the video by the mastermind of the gang should he exist, then he was either asked by smalltime guys or not asked at all and shot for a different reason.

Is it customary for gang shooters to steal the phones of their victims? These phones can be worth hundreds of dollars, but with GPS they can also be traced to its location.

Marcus
August 20, 2013 / 00:08

I would love to get to know the guy and pick the mans brain. I dont think he's a bad guy after all.


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