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I'm first. That's a good thing. This was not a good night last night. My Habs lost again, but they'll win tomorrow. My Coyotes also lost. My Cavs and Suns also lost. In baseball, my Orioles and Diamondbacks won, but my Indians lost. Anyway, it was a bad night in hockey and basketball. That's no good at all. I still get junk mail from Rogers. I wish they would lay off. I hate Rogers, so stop sending me junk mail because I hate them.

March 16, 2018 @ 8:11 AM

James Edgar

I've been watching game of thrones that last couple of weeks and I've come to the realization that trump reminds me of king Joffery.

That's not exactly a good thing based on where the GOT story line seems to be going.

March 16, 2018 @ 8:31 AM

Ben V

@Torontomike: I saw that yesterday. If actually made me smile. Mainly because of my love of the office, but also because this team of raptors is so dam fun to watch.

March 16, 2018 @ 8:47 AM

Brian Gerstein (Raptors Devotee)

The Raptors continue to astonish me this year. They apparently can turn on a light switch and no matter how poorly they have played, as they have in stretches of late, raise their game, go on an extended run, and get the W.

First place thought not mathematically clinched, really is, not only due to our incredible run, which would be even better if a foul was called on JV against Milwaukee when he tied the game to send it into OT, which we lost, but due to Kyrie and his being rested due to his knee injury.

Raps will be in an envious position being able to rest players, though with the BenchMob Lowry and DeMar's minutes have been so limited this year, it may not even be needed.

This is a dream season, and I don't even care where the Cavs end up and even if we face them in the second round we will take care of business. Cavs are on track to win only 47 games and LeBron even on his shoulders will not be able to win 4 games in a series against us.

Remember my podcast earlier this year when I said I am O.K. to make it to the NBA Finals and be blown out by Golden State. Well, a lot has changed since then, with the Raps playing like a well-oiled machine. There is as good a chance of playing Houston now as Golden State, plus the Raps have shown that they will not be blown out, and are legitimate title contenders.

Pinch me, as I feel that I am in the Twilight Zone writing this.

March 16, 2018 @ 9:27 AM

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So much fun, and last night I was watching with my son and we weren't playing well and were down for most of the game and we accepted that you can't win them all and we were playing a good team on their court but then.... you guessed it... another Raptors win.

So much fun. There was a Raps game and Leafs game on at the same time and we were focused on the Raps and only finished up the Leafs game when the Raps game was over. That says something.

March 16, 2018 @ 9:46 AM


perhaps the real consensus in the Ontario election is they're all idiots. I don't know about your business but in my business we make money by collaborating. We work together. Just MAYBE the idiots in power might try this instead of forever getting in some pissing match about whose twisted agenda is wrong. Oh AND the people who are robot partisans are just as bad. I've had too much time lately as a sit in this hospital cell waiting to go home. STOP reading MEMES on the internet and use your brain and think for yourself. RESEARCH things.

Finally, while I'm ranting. If there is ever a day when a friend if yours goes into the hospital and he may *be slow in returning correspondence* do not say "haven't heard much from you". Why he may well just be tired and want to sleep or do something else other than reply to email.

There. That felt better

March 16, 2018 @ 9:55 AM


TGIF!!! Watched last night's game and was so happy with the W - I consider the Pacers a strong opponent and they proved it. I'm so excited for the playoffs. How is everyone feeling about Boston now that unfortunately they're dealing with so many injuries?

@Irv - you're so right that's a dickish thing for a "friend" to say. SMH!

March 16, 2018 @ 11:36 AM


Thanks for that. I didn’t realize there were people who hated Muslims. Can’t imagine why......

Appreciate the heads up!

March 16, 2018 @ 12:57 PM


1 John 2:11

But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
March 16, 2018 @ 2:11 PM

Urooj Islam

Out of all the franchise benchmarks and records the Raptors have shattered since 2014, I'm amazed that the franchise win streak record still stands at "only" 11. Another chance to tie it tonight and maybe finally break it on Sunday?

Although, In a weird way, it's encouraging to me that they seem like more of a consistent and resilient team than a streaky one.

March 16, 2018 @ 2:30 PM


I hope you'll have plenty of Joydrop questions for Tara Slone. They were a great band, gone long
before their time!! Plus, it didn't hurt that she was very attractive (still is!!) P.S., what was the
bumper music on yesterday's TMI? I've definitely heard it before but couldn't place it!

March 16, 2018 @ 4:24 PM

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Don't worry, I'll play Joydrop and ask Tara lots of questions about that phase of her life.

Yesterday's TMI song was Brand New's Sic Transit Gloria...Glory Fades.

March 16, 2018 @ 4:33 PM


Well, I've heard of that band but not overly familiar with their music. I guess there are a lot of similar
sounding tunes out there!!

March 16, 2018 @ 4:35 PM

Urooj Islam

Why even keep the comments open under sponsor posts if you're going to delete them?

Maybe I should shit on a religious group instead like others and my comment won't be deleted here.

March 16, 2018 @ 6:37 PM

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Why shit on a sponsor on the post about the sponsor?

If I wrote about GLB sponsoring an independent podcast, would you comment "don't buy GLB, buy Labatts?"

And if you did, wouldn't it be a no-brainer for me to delete that?

March 16, 2018 @ 6:39 PM

Urooj Islam

Fair enough.

It was more about questioning how useful learning French really is these days more so than a dig at the sponsor.

March 16, 2018 @ 7:10 PM

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@Urooj Islam

I know it wasn't about that specific company, but if you were me, and you had a podcast you've worked very hard on for almost 6 years, and a blog you've worked very hard on for almost 16 years, and I left that comment on an entry of that nature you posted, two things would happen.

1. You'd wonder why I'd do that, and shake your damn head.
2. You'd delete my comment.

March 16, 2018 @ 7:58 PM

Urooj Islam

@Toronto Mike

You're right, it wasn't the right place to make that point on my part.

My mistake.

March 16, 2018 @ 8:08 PM

Blind Dave

@Irv - Hope you're back to abnormal, my friend. Don't need to give up the ghost just yet!

It hit +5 on the Prairies today. Shorts weather for sure, and while we are supposed to have a delayed spring, the smell is in the air!

Great job on TMI, Mike. I've listened to every one and I love the presentation.

March 16, 2018 @ 9:31 PM


Well, I really want my Cavs to do well in the playoffs. I want my Cavs to win. Well, sports was not great last night. My Nets lost again. Also baseball was not good except my Diamondbacks did win. My Orioles only tied. My Indians lost again. I need my Indians to win. Well, I really need my Habs and Coyotes to win tonight as well as mmy Cavs, Nets, and Suns, especially my Cavs. I'm worried about my Cavs.

March 17, 2018 @ 7:47 AM


Great Neil Young poster!! 2 hopefully helpful suggestions: Have you heard the new Pearl Jam
track "Can't Deny Me" yet? Very No Code-ish, all that's missing is some patented Neil Young guitar
skronk. Although the Youtube comments are entertaining in their own right, but not always the most
positive! Also, never caught the show or any of the other peak TV classics for that matter, but I saw
in a magazine that there is a new comprehensive guide book to The Wire available called "All
The Pieces Matter" by Jonathan Abrams. Big holds list already (83 Holds on 16 copies, and the ebooks
waiting list is even longer!!) at TPL.

March 17, 2018 @ 11:12 AM

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This Neil Young illustrated history is really fun. Available now at the TPL!

Sweet @torontolibrary score

— Toronto Mike (@torontomike) March 17, 2018
March 17, 2018 @ 11:26 AM


I saw your tweet, so that's why i posted!! Always have a full 100 holds on the go, so I will
definitely reserve that beaut the next time I get an opening!! Ya know, i should probably
get a certificate of some sort form TPL for most active library account (no joke!!). Plus the
Reference library is in the last day of their annual clearance Book/CD/DVD sale and I made
out like a bandit: 36 CDs including doubles and a great soul box set for $12. Many people's trash
is definitely this pauper's treasure. The first two days they had to shut the sale down early because
they sold out. Guess it's not as much of a digital world as some folks would have us believe!!

March 17, 2018 @ 11:32 AM


@Blind Dave

I know it's been a rough winter in Calgary based on what I see (and Banff too). Then again, spring comes to the prairies in late May ;-)

As a side note, I soon face my first summer in Ontario humidity in 11 years. Yes, Vancouver was warm (30ish) but it's been a while since I dealt with the hell that is summer in this place. I can see it being nasty. I'm used to the cold so I handle that much better. Hell I walk around in a vest in -5C with a T shirt on. I cringe at the whole suit jacket in 35C. Glad I have AC

March 17, 2018 @ 1:15 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@IRV AC is a must, as time has marched on I have come to dread the +30 August temperatures. When someone tells me they like the heat, I call BS as in my neighbourhood there isn't a kid or adult in sight, only the sounds of air conditioners.
I once spent 2 weeks in late July in Orlando and it was unbearable. Pool was too hot to cool off in, tried a shower and the ground water is too warm to refresh you. Basically ran from air conditioned building to air conditioned building to beat the heat. May/June is my type of weather.
Learning French has always been a bucket list item for me, and being in a technical support role it would have been an absolute advantage, look at the shortage of qualified teachers to teach in Ontario and the federal government job postings. It is politically (and parental) driven, as It gives your kid a smaller class size,almost private school size level at the tax payers expense.
Only negative comment I have is outside of Canada, doesn't give you much of a career advantage.
I had a great March break looking after my 18 month old grandson for 4 days, last time I looked after him was Christmas, and in 3+ months since, what a little man he is becoming.

March 17, 2018 @ 2:24 PM



Yeah, my last summer in Ontario was 2006 and I recall 45C with the humidity. Sweating in bed, showering 3 times a day, etc.

I took French in college a long time ago. Never much used it to be honest but I think it's a far more valuable language in Eastern Canada than Western Canada. French has some purpose in Banff National Park, but once you get west Chinese, Panjabi, etc carry far more weight and value.

That said, I've always believed you should learn a language for the sake of learning something to become a smarter person versus for more $. It's good brain exercise & thinking in a different language helps you look at things differently.

March 17, 2018 @ 2:52 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Decided to do my taxes today and purchased Turbo Tax, which I have done for about the last 12 years. I don't have stocks (other than through RRSPs, and Charitable donations).
Why does this have to be so complicated, asks me if I have been in prison, gave up residency, became a resident, left the country when etc., just out of the first page. There is at least 6 years of info on my PC from past returns, couldn't it analyse this and respond accordingly?
Will see if I owe or need to tap my line of credit to close this off. Wonder why people avoid CRA filing!

March 17, 2018 @ 5:51 PM

Rick C in Oakville

ARGHHH, If a political party can make doing a simple tax return simplified, they have my vote. This year just seems ultra complicated.
my Tax return:
Income from employer
Taxes deducted, EI CPP etc.
Taxible Donations
RRSP contributions.

Thats it, I bet 85 % (or higher) of most tax payers fall into this category. This year seems to be overly complicated. WAFJ!

March 17, 2018 @ 7:16 PM


So some being "dead" stuff

Today I was reviewing my social media when my health went off the rails. I can see and recall things..and how I posted "Everyone I might not make it". I knew I was in trouble.

What is more fascinating is while I was on life support and "dead" I was in this other dimension. For example in one I was trying to go get alcohol and the voices wouldn't let me. I just found out I was mumbling about that when I was out of it.

Even more interesting is I recall a conversation with my GF. We were "chatting online" and she kept telling me we needed to go to the next level and I agreed. I just needed to get better. Well when I was out of it she said exactly that. I heard her..only my mind manifested this into my own colorized story versus being a near dead guy in Toronto General

It shows you that power of voice and the impact you can have on other people. I heard those voices. I heard the encouragement. I heard the reasons to not give up. And I lived. So when your friend or spouse is sick,go sit with them. Don't pray. Don't cry. Instead, speak with them about all the good things you've did and all the good that will happen in the future. Your words may well give them cause to not only survive but make a quick recovery.

March 17, 2018 @ 9:47 PM

Blind Dave

@Irv @ Rick

My last summer in TO was 1999. I remember the days of wearing a suit & tie to work and God help me, those overly humid summer days were brutal. My wife is a prairie girl and I was telling her just this morning that a five minute walk and thirty minutes on the subway in summer could be absolutely draining. If I had to wear the monkey suit, I looked like I'd worked out for two hours solid as I was covered in sweat. Absolutely soaked to the point it was gross. And yes, I do enjoy the heat much more than the extreme cold, but I admit I have my limits. One of the joys of being self-employed now is that I can dress any way I damn well please.


Damn, I am so glad you are ok. Thank you for the advice on talking to a loved one who is "out of it". It could very well save their life and give them a reason to come back and carry on.

March 17, 2018 @ 10:11 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Irv, powerful stuff. I was reading today in the Toronto Sun of Francisco Molina, the gentleman who had was unfortunately attacked with the ice pick ax on the TTC, He basically said that Noora Sagarwala's voice and encouragement that everything was going to be alright pulled him through.
You have your own guardian angel.

March 17, 2018 @ 10:17 PM


Yeah, you get used to the prairie summer. It can be VERY hot, especially in the direct sun but the night cools off and humidity doesn't exist. Out my way I was living up at 4500 feet about sea level so that cooled off the nights. By Sept 1 it was 0C at night. The altitude matters too because the air is thinner and less like soup. I remember a trip back home a few years ago and I got off the plane in KW and I thought "what in the name of hell is this shit". And I agree, people always say "I love summer". No, you don't, unless you purposely disconnect the AC at work, in your car and your house

Rick C. I admit, I have to absorb all this stuff but I do admit it's fascinating. I'd never given it thought either. Had no one been there the outcome might have been different. And as tough as it is, don't cry but be positive. That person IS hearing you.

Or..I suppose we could reverse it. Next time I'm on life support I hope Toronto Mike visits and tells me how awesome Pearl Jam is...because there is no WAY I could die without responding to a comment like that (Pearl Jam is the most overrated burned out grunge band ever) lol. Or Jody T could come by and remind me how much better music sounds on vinyl to which I'd open my eyes and argue with him again (right Jody).

I have now been in the hospital 27 days. I can't WAIT to get sprung from this joint. To give you an idea how long the days are here I listened to the entire 2 hour Elvis podcast from yesterday...straight through. First time ever.

March 18, 2018 @ 6:55 AM


Well, hockey sucked last night. My Habs got shut out. My Coyotes lost. I don't know what's going on with my Habs. My Cavs won though and my Nets won. My Suns lost. Anyway, baseball was not great. My Orioles lost. My Diamondbacks only tied. My Indians did win one game, but they lost the second game. It was this split squad stuff. I really really need my Cavs to keep winning though. They have to.

March 18, 2018 @ 7:48 AM


OK, now HERE is interesting. Re: Hedley

AMP's Katie Summers steps forward with sexual harassment complaints.

March 18, 2018 @ 9:40 AM

James Edgar

@Irv I'll second Ricks comment. Powerful stuff indeed.

A couple of comments on the heat. I sweat a little more than normal. It can get pretty gross. I was on a medication for a few years that unknown to me made it it MUCH worse. Moved of that now and it's more manageable.

I ride a motorcycle and i'm not a pirate or a squid so leather vests with t-shirts ,shorts ,flip flops and riding naked are not on the cards. So i wear at least proper leather riding gloves, A full face helmet , Riding boots and a riding jacket. Mostly with jeans but even in high heat I've worn riding pants over my jeans. If I get caught in traffic or god help me (Not really ) have to go downtown it can be brutal.

Given all that you'd think i'd not be so keen on hot summers but of course I can't ride in the worst of the cold and the roads aren't really clean until the end of May so I've only got a short time to really get out and enjoy. So bring on the heat I say.

March 18, 2018 @ 10:24 AM


I went to take a look at the new Downsview Park TTC subway and GO Train station, and the area of the city near it. What a strange situation.

The actual finished park is a short distance away from the station, to the west of the train track stretching to Keele St., but there's still an enormous area of the rest of the former military base and airfield that apart from a few very sparse decaying old crappy little buildings, is largely a vast ignored muddy scrubland, despite being surrounded by urban/suburban sprawl. I walked out of the eastern pavilion exit from the subway station and went south towards The Hangar recreational sports complex, along 'Carl Hall Road', which is some pavement hastily slapped onto the ground with no curbing and I guess what is supposed to be a separate bikeway/walkway beside some of it.

Bombardier Aerospace recently said it is no longer interested in maintaining their own airfield, are planning to leave and are looking for buyers for the land, but already some local politicians and union officials don't like the prospect of all of it becoming condos and housing, although I don't know what else would realistically be proposed.

March 18, 2018 @ 2:40 PM


Well, not a lot happened in sports. My Indians won two split squad games yesterday though. That was great, but my Orioles and Diamondbacks lost. I really need my Cavs to win tonight. I nee my Habs and Coyotes to also win.

March 19, 2018 @ 7:35 AM


Not ashamed to admit that i have no clue who or what today's TMI bumper music pertains to!!!
What happened to your Twitter follower who would chime in every day on what the song-story
links were?!?

March 19, 2018 @ 3:20 PM

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It's Panda by Desiigner, a recent #1 hit!

March 19, 2018 @ 3:22 PM


Gonna have to plead total ignorance on that front. Not hip at all to what the kids of 2018 are listening
to at all!! I also have to give thumbs down based on the poor spelling alone! Still, can't figure out
what the link is!!

March 19, 2018 @ 3:25 PM

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Haha... they can't all be tough. :)

Tomorrow's is already cued up and it's a no-brainer as well.

March 19, 2018 @ 3:37 PM


No, i was being completely serious. Maybe my unfamiliarity with the song has reduced my
seemingly addled brain to pablum this afternoon!!

March 19, 2018 @ 3:41 PM

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I thought you were kidding because the song is called Panda and one of the news items is about the pandas leaving Toronto for Calgary.

March 19, 2018 @ 3:43 PM


And to think that I saw that story on the news multiple times this weekend. I guess that's what happens when I forget to listen to TMI in the middle of the afternoon!! P.S., having seen your
updated guests schedule, what day is Gord Deppe scheduled for?

March 19, 2018 @ 3:46 PM


The above should have read 'forget to listen to TMI until the middle of the afternoon.'

March 19, 2018 @ 3:47 PM

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Gord Deppe visits Wednesday.

March 19, 2018 @ 3:55 PM


Good! Gonna be out of town tomorrow so I didn't want to miss it hot and piping fresh!!

March 19, 2018 @ 3:57 PM


Alright so, 0-ZERO-NONE -NUTHING here about the Ontario Government opinions today (Liberal)
YET 24 comments last week about 1 ( cry for help person habs fan and team of the day person)
Now i get it

March 19, 2018 @ 6:09 PM

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Only speaking for myself, discussing provincial politics is really, really low on my interest list right now. I'd much rather bang my head against the wall for a few hours.

March 19, 2018 @ 6:18 PM


Well, my Cavs won. That was great. They better win tomorrow. I really really need them to win tomorrow. My Nets also won as well which is great. Baseball was good as well. My Indians won again and my Orioles won again. My Diamondbacks lost. What's wrong with my Habs? Why can't they win anymore. Another fricken loss. My Coyotes won though. That was great. Too bad my Coyotes won't make the playoffs. I get all this stupid mail. It's addressed to me so I have to get it. It's about stupid stuff like selling my condo. If I want to sell, then I would call them. Why are these guys bugging me? Leave me alone and quit putting mail in my box. It wastes paper. Save the trees because we need trees.

March 20, 2018 @ 7:13 AM



Political talk is a pointless venture because it's all done by robot partisans. Those who like Ford will espouse how awesome he is. They will bend facts. Those who don't want Ford to win will vote for Wynne again convincing themselves she's not that bad. And those unable to stomach either will vote for the NDP. No amount of debating will change anything.

I am political guy but I hate all politicians. It's the computer hacker in me. They're just puppets to their corporate masters who throw the rest of us the occasional peanut to shut us up.

My solution is revolution. We need to put two groups of people in their place. The first IS the politicians. The second are the robot partisans who idolize and follow them. And let the revolution be loud and terrifying for them. I'm tired of these fucktards and their followers. I want change.

March 20, 2018 @ 8:16 AM


Good call on today's TMI with The Gandharvas. A real Canadian throwback, that one sure is!!

Let's re- create that amazing Frankie Goes to Hollywood video "Two Tribes" with our provincial politicians, but with an actual Battle Royale format!!

March 20, 2018 @ 9:19 AM


I never know most of the songs that play in the TMI intro - but I did know Panda haha.

My mom said last night choosing between Ford and Wynne is a rock and a hard place... I told her I don't really think so but she has become more conservative with age :/

Happy First Day of Spring! :D

March 20, 2018 @ 9:32 AM


Pretty much the only radio I've listened to in recent years is on weekday mornings for a brief newscast and maybe a few more minutes. I think I'm with some of you here in that I'll often end up shutting it off even before the newscast is over for the next two and half months to avoid the obnoxiousness.

March 20, 2018 @ 1:03 PM

Rick C in Oakville

I only usually listen to the round tables on Newstalk and Oakley's on AM 640, CBC news then back to H&F on Podcast.
Politics is pretty dividing, we never seem to get the politicians we need, but possibly the ones we deserve given the poor voter turn outs/strategic voting.

March 20, 2018 @ 8:05 PM


Well, not a lot happened in sports. My Suns lost though. That's no good. They really got clobbered. In baseball my Diamondbacks lost. My Orioles were supposed to play, but the game got canceled. My Indians had the night off. Well, I really really need my Cavs to win tonight. Go Cavs. I mean it. Please win because I really need a win. I hope my Nets win as well as my Habs and Coyotes.

March 21, 2018 @ 7:07 AM


Here's a couple of questions for Gord Deppe:
#1. Any chance that "Bridges Over Borders" will ever be re-released on CD? (I know, Mr. Luddite(Me!)
already made reference to this the first time Mr. Deppe was scheduled to be a guest!!)

#2. I've seen The Spoons twice in the last two years and did not hear "Be Alone Tonight" (personal
fave) either time. Is that song performed live anymore? Thanks!!

March 21, 2018 @ 9:23 AM


Gord Deppe is an awesome guy. He used to run an Open Mike night at the Fox & Fiddle by the airport. I've played on stage with him there a bunch of times.

March 21, 2018 @ 10:57 AM


Well, a mixed bag of sports. My Cavs won which is the most important thing. That's great. They found a way to win which is great. They play my Suns tomorrow. My Cavs will win tomorrow. My Suns don't have a chance at the playoffs. My Nets blew it though. They had a big lead, but blew it. My Habs lost. That's no good, but my Coyotes won. Baseball sucked last night. My Orioles, Indians, and Diamondbacks all lost. That was no good, but I'm really happy about my Cavs.

March 22, 2018 @ 7:06 AM


So Cheryl, basically every team that isn't in Toronto is "your team". Why such hate for the Toronto teams?

March 22, 2018 @ 8:50 AM


Great TMI bumper music this morning, and fittingly Canadian as well!!

March 22, 2018 @ 9:45 AM


Congrats on the forthcoming Tom Cochrane booking. Hopefully he'll be willing to sing a song
or two!! P.S., it seems all the good discourse is happening on your Twitter feed. 'Tis a shame that
I'm still subsisting in a theoretical Amish community when it comes to my own personal hand-held
technology!! P.P.S., maybe Raju Mudhar from the Toronto Star who compiled that 100 Best Toronto
songs list would make for a captivating future guest? That list was certainly a lot more musically
diverse than Mr. Dave Hodge's epic KOTJ appearance (not complaining at all, just noting that the
Star's list was more musically inclusive, that's all!!)

March 22, 2018 @ 10:24 AM


Saw this article this morning on the top Toronto songs. Mike, I'm surprised you haven't posted about this, and offered your opinion on the top Toronto songs. I remember you talking with Retrontario (I think, or was it Mr. 12:36?) and listening to Ontario songs.

March 22, 2018 @ 10:33 AM

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I submitted the Neil Young song!

March 22, 2018 @ 10:46 AM


Didn't the Star spell your last name wrong? I think that this now makes you kin to noted
'50s crooner Pat Boone!!

March 22, 2018 @ 10:54 AM


D'oh. I should have paid more attention and read the article more thoroughly

March 22, 2018 @ 11:09 AM

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Second Star article in a row that misspells my name. As long as they spell the name of the podcast correctly, I'm cool with it!

March 22, 2018 @ 11:15 AM


My tricky last name is one of the secondary reasons I use a pseudonym on here!!
(From the 'I'd like to buy an extra vowel, Mr. Sajak,' file!)

March 22, 2018 @ 11:52 AM


I read the list and they forgot one major band if I recall. That band is Crash Vegas. If you recall they were aired on CFTR right through to CFNY. Years back when I was doing a radio show and running online stations I tried to find the record. It was hell.

Anyone remember this song.

March 22, 2018 @ 1:58 PM


Great band! Love their song "Inside Out." They were very connected to Blue Rodeo and the original
bass player was the sister of Daniel Lanois.

March 22, 2018 @ 2:15 PM


Greg Keelor was in Crash Vegas, splitting his time between them and Blue Rodeo. Colin Cripps was also a member - he has joined BR and taken over a lot of Greg's guitar parts since Greg no longer plays electric guitar on stage.

Colin was also in Junkhouse, and spent some time in The Spoons around the time of Bridges Over Borders.

The Toronto/Hamilton music scene is truly a fascinating and tight-knit community.

March 22, 2018 @ 2:27 PM


@Sid V
Thanks for the reminder about Colin Cripps being a member of The Spoons for a minute in the
mid 1980s. I thought that this was so and even when I saw it posted on Wikipedia, I still wasn't
convinced...until now, that is!!

March 22, 2018 @ 2:37 PM



I played Inside Out, Red Earth and Smoke. That record is (was) impossible to find and I don't think it's for sale anyway. I used a hack to catch the stuff out of Youtube.

Speaking of music, the song I really been looking for was Colleen Peterson's version of Crazy (the classic country song). Kiss used to play it when it was a country station. Colleen was a country singer from Peterboro (I think). I think she was killed in a car accident.

You'd think with all this classic cancon Indie 88 would be playing more of it?

March 22, 2018 @ 3:17 PM



And if you want to get real obscure man, how about the Arrows? They're a Toronto band I believe. I actually heard this song on the radio in some small BC town when I was cruising to Van in the winter.

March 22, 2018 @ 3:29 PM


For physical media Luddites/Holdouts/Hoarders such as myself, thrift stores and church or library
sales are a real boon(!!) for finding those proverbial long out-of-print lost CD treasures. Sadly, the
'fruit' is no longer as bountiful or as easy to find as it was 5 to 10 years ago as Goodwill has long
since closed, and many people have already divested themselves of their CD collections.
P.S., I saw a physical copy of the first Crash Vegas CD at the Toronto Reference Library spring
clearance sale last Saturday. CDs went 3 for a buck, that's how little value they now hold!! (With
no thanks to Bob Lefsetz and his constant haranguing on this painful personal issue for me!!!)

March 22, 2018 @ 3:31 PM


Case in point: The Arrows. I have both their albums on tape deep in my storage alongside
5 thousand or so other cassettes and probably close to that many CDs. Really should go digital
at some point but I just can't quit my physical media addiction. P.S., I believe that The Arrows
only saw their albums briefly released on CD via a German company. Sad that they only lasted
for two albums as they were great, especially their first disc!!

March 22, 2018 @ 3:35 PM


I'm the opposite. I have no tapes or CD's, but I'd guess some 12,000 songs in iTunes. In fact my entire iTunes music, movie and TV collection is so large there are *no* hard drives big enough for it. So I stream everything. Actually scratch that, I do have 4 boxes of CD's, almost all dance music singles I imported from the UK. I never listen to them but I can't throw them out.

There are some real gems in my iTunes which I was clearly drunk when I bought. Like the entire Celine Dion album and Mandy Moore (yes I know). I don't even know the songs. There was a time when I just bought everything I felt was interesting.

The interesting part is these obscure songs can sometimes be heard on radio but usually in small remote towns

March 22, 2018 @ 4:05 PM


Mandy Moore's "Coverage" covers album from 2003, with a diverse selection of tunes completely
unrelated to her earlier work is great. Now that her career has rebounded thanks to her success on This Is Us, perhaps she might make a return to recording. As for streaming, i love the concept in theory,if only to hear a lot of the rare and obscure hard rock/metal/prog/and jazz stuff that I belatedly discover on a daily basis while I'm cruising Youtube.

March 22, 2018 @ 4:12 PM


One of my fave songs of all time is Mannequin by Boys Brigade in early 80's. There is just something about this song that I really like.

March 22, 2018 @ 4:14 PM


It's funny that you should mention Boys Brigade, as band member Malcolm Burn went on to a long
career as music producer, including the first Crash Vegas album "Red Earth,' a band brought up
several hours ago on this very thread!!

March 22, 2018 @ 4:18 PM


I think this thread really shows you the depth there is in Canadian music that is actually pretty good. Years back I used to listen to The Peak in Vancouver. At the time it was a true "indie" music station and introduced me to SO many West Coast indie bands. I actually looked forward to the Cancon because there was so much quality stuff that got no airplay elsewhere. They acted as a filter. Unfortunately the station was destroyed by big radio and now it sounds like an alt rock clone.

But one has to ask. Why do not we not hear all these old songs on radio? Why are the 80's shows so tightly programmed? When's the last time you heard Crash Vegas on an 80's or 90's show? Or 13 Engines. Or the Skydiggers. Or Andrew Cash.

March 22, 2018 @ 4:55 PM


The answer to your question is probably because most of these bands only had one or two
'mainstream moments' if that at all: and so although many people (like us!) fondly remember
and still play their music in whatever the format, for the rest of the margins as well as the mass-
market, it's like they never really existed at all. it is a shame that almost all local terrestrial radio
is so rigidly formatted, especially the throwback stations, as there is so much great music of
various genres that they could and should be playing. I may not like or agree with how young people
find and access their music, but at least to a certain extent if they like something, then they like it
( for however fleeting a time period!!!)

March 22, 2018 @ 5:02 PM


P.S., Crash Vegas played a couple of reunion shows in Ontario last year (Toronto and
Kitchener, to be exact!!)

March 22, 2018 @ 5:05 PM



Radio just doesn't miss the older stuff it's terrible with the new stuff. Take Alessia Cara, (Here) I heard that song on the first day of Beats 1 (Apple) with Zane Lowe. I was like wow, great singer and stunned to find she was a teenager from Brampton. It took a while for her to get airplay in her own city. I find listening to Spotify and Beats 1 for almost all my music by the time the songs hit FM radio they're burned out for me.

Radio plays hits, but it's way too risk adverse. You want to to appeal to a demo that spends it's time streaming well you need to keep up. I know you're not a Lefsetz fan, but he does point out the huge disconnect between charts and what is streaming. And he's right.

Another example is Dua Lipa, FINALLY getting love here.

March 22, 2018 @ 5:39 PM


I liked Lefsetz more 8 or 9 years ago before he became overly-prolific and far too much of a
name-dropper and a sycophant for/to all of his bold-faced pals!! He might be right about
the current state of music, but given his age and his background, sometimes it is hard for me
to always take it at face value. As for Alessia Cara, it is a tale as old time with regards to Canadian
artists often having to break down in the States before they are appreciated at home.

March 22, 2018 @ 5:44 PM


The above reply was obviously meant for Irv.

March 22, 2018 @ 5:53 PM

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