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this guest

In the spirit of 'novelists:'

"The atom bombs are pilling up in the factories, the police are prowling through the cities, the lies are streaming from the loudspeakers, but the earth is still going round the sun."
George Orwell

September 30, 2014 @ 9:05 AM

Stan

So we now know Humble and his Lady Friend broke up. Sad news.

I listened again to Toronto Mike'd 63 with Lady Friend Amanda and around talk of her boob job and dating an older guy is a nugget about how she wants to be engaged to Humble before she turns 30. This was non-negotiable.

She didn't seem to need a baby from him, but she needed a proposal by 30. She was adamant.

September 30, 2014 @ 9:14 AM


Mat Rockswell

Horses, what's up with them?

September 30, 2014 @ 9:29 AM

J

Who the fuck cares why some former radio guy broke up with his young gf with fake boobs.

September 30, 2014 @ 10:07 AM

Lyle Lanley

They say it will rain today, ending quite the amazing streak of awesome September weather.

Life is good.

September 30, 2014 @ 10:08 AM

Al Reda

We can wake up Green Day now.

September 30, 2014 @ 10:19 AM

Gump

Obviously I don't know Howard or Amanda (?), but my brother went through a similar relationship issue.
He's a rich 49 year old (lawyer) who was dating a late 20s woman from his firm. It was a great relationship and she too was adamant that she *didn't* want children. My brother also didn't want (more) children, as he had enough from his 1st marriage. My brother wanted to keep it going longer (i.e. engagement then marriage) but ultimately felt that it wouldn't work b/c that would deny her the opportunity to have children someday - even if she said "no children" now, she might change her mind (as women in their 30s sometimes do).
Therefore I applaud Howard for having the wisdom and foresight to do the right thing and let the relationship end - if that is what happened (I have no idea).

September 30, 2014 @ 10:30 AM

Oscar

I hate to be a hater here... but is anyone else disappointed with Indie88?

I find they play the best music available on terrestrial Toronto airwaves, but they have to do something about the delivery of their on-air personalities.
I find the morning show is just a morning zoo. One girl giggling at what the 'goofy' things the two guys come out with.

Raina seems like she's got a great personality based on twitter... but I find she has a very stiff CBC sound...

I think they should emphasize less on the people and more on the music... Try a terrestrial version of Sirius XMU..

Does anyone share my opinions????

September 30, 2014 @ 10:37 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Oscar

When I tune into terrestrial music radio, I toggle between 102.1 and 88.1. They're essentially interchangeable to me now, except for Sundays when I far prefer 102.1.

I don't understand why 88.1 will play Sam Smith's Stay With Me when there are 4 top 40 stations playing it every 30 minutes.

Oh... and the program director at 88.1 was all excited to come on my podcast last winter, he just wanted to wait until the warmer weather so he could bike over. Summer came and went, as you know....

September 30, 2014 @ 10:42 AM

Oscar

@Mike That's disappointing about the prog director being a no show.. I would love to hear him answer things like why is he playing a song that's on every other top 40...

Also, I know that they're trying to be cute with they're songs that don't really fit in.. but I tuned in a couple days ago and they're playing 'le freak' - I think I get what they're trying to do, but in my opinion it's a waste of 5 mins listening to the disco trash. If they want to be off the wall, play some RUN DMC or some indie Hip Hop like Shad...

On another note, has anyone had a chance to try out Spotify Canada yet?

September 30, 2014 @ 10:50 AM

Rob

I flip between 88.1 and 102.1 as well. I find myself on Indie 88 more often than 102.1.

I just change the stations when the on air personalities are on. Fred/Mel are the only ones I enjoy listening too. The rest simply don't provide entertainment I enjoy.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:02 AM

BJ

Do youngsters even listen to radio anymore?

102.1 should make every day Spirit of Radio days for the old guys who still listen to terrestrial radio.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:08 AM

Jack Boot

I fully expect Doug Ford to use the Nunziata smear against John Tory (payoff of campaign debts as a bribe to leave the mayoralty race last election) unless there has been a lawsuit that settled the matter with a requirement of silence.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:09 AM

JJ

Indie88 is just terrible and a real squandered opportunity. It's the same chart 'indie' hits over and over with a couple gold selections that have already been played to death on radio "Pump it Up" "Take on Me" "London Calling" etc...Raina was demoted and they brought in a new music director with a Top 40 background. In this day and age though -- if they want to be a rigidly formatted CHR station -- I have no idea what purpose a music director is even required for. It really takes a PD and a MD to decide to play the new Fun song?

September 30, 2014 @ 11:36 AM

JJ

Forgot to add that the PD at Indie seems like a bit of a knob so I'm not shocked he blew you off.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:38 AM

Oscar

@JJ I didn't know that Raina got demoted... that's a bummer consider she seems to have a true appreciation for the music.

I imagine in ten years or so music radio will be on it's last legs. Kids have pandora, songza, spotify, slacker, siriusXM...
It's becoming standard in cars to have the streaming services available on-deck.

Why listen to what a PD is getting told to play by their execs when you can follow an artist you like and listen to playlists that they share?

September 30, 2014 @ 11:50 AM

Douglas

I toggle between 88.1 and 102.1 when I am in my car (a 2006 with no SiriusXM or audio input available), along with 680 whenever I have to enter/pass through/leave 416/437/647 Toronto. There are other buttons for 94.9, 97.3, 107.1 and 107.9 when needed.

I find that 88.1 and 102.1 are reasonable complements to each other. In the car, I'm glad that I have alternatives (pun intended). I probably have 88.1 on a bit more, maybe because they're still the "underdog". They'll always be the underdog because they will never have the resources of Corus and will be handcuffed by their frequency and transmitter (location, but much more so power) restrictions. Indie88 will have to really concentrate on what, according to not just Alan Cross, truly makes radio stations more-successful, which is being very attached and relevant to their audience. I suspect that being more relevant to a broader audience is a contributing factor to the changes we have been hearing at 102.1.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:53 AM

JJ

Yep -- The new Assistant Program Director/Music Director is Mike Religa who comes over from Top 40 station KISS. It also looks like Carlin has had his duties reduced as well. He used to do the drive slot but is now a glorified swing announcer. This is actually a smart move because the guy is awful. He acted like he'd never been to a city before. As well, Lori-Anne the "Punk Rock Cupcake" (just typing that makes me cringe) has moved to the Rock in Oshawa. So some pretty significant shake-ups in their first year. It's basically amateur hour over there.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:55 AM

JJ

Indie had their signal boost approved by the CRTC so that shouldn't be a factor in their success or lack thereof moving forward.

I also find their "you choose the music" gimmick insulting. Their music surveys are a joke -- literally just the songs that are already in heavy rotation. And it's basically just saying "Hey -- we're going to focus group this to death and make sure we scientifically reach the lowest common denominator."

September 30, 2014 @ 11:58 AM

Irv

@Oscar/TM

The reason Indie may play songs you hear on Top 40 is because they may have been the first to play it. 102.7 The Peak was quick Ed Sheeran's A Team but the song later became a pop hit. Should it have stopped playing the song because CHR picked it up? Same for Lorde and Sam Smith. The fact these songs are getting on Top 40 is a sign of the strength of indie music.

I see the comment about Indie being to formatted quite a bit but it ignores a couple of realities. The reality is in 2014 FM radio needs some type of rigid format to make it "saleable". Indie doesn't have the benefit of having a sister station or a local cluster to carry it. Secondly, I often wonder if people realize what true free form radio is. I listen extensively to CKUA Alberta. CKUA is legendary and without question, the most diverse radio station in North America. The mid morning mojo with Buba (a 60s something Indian guy) is on right now. A typical mix could include bluegrass, some 50s jazz & Nirvana or Elton Matello. Tune into CKUA and tell me realistically how many people could frequent true free form FM radio in this day and age.

If you want a station in what I'd call the 'sweet spot" try Whistler 101.5 FM. It's left of Indie Toronto but not entirely free form. It is pleasantly surprising sometimes.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:59 AM

Douglas

@JJ:

Indie88 has two "sister" stations in Barrie. That's not Toronto, but the owner has modest pockets thanks to the reasonable success and profitability of "Rock95" and "KoolFM".

88.1's 4kW ERP (Effective Radiated Power) at 281m HAAT (Height Above Average Terrain) is no match for anything off the CN Tower, where all the FM stations are at 420.5m HAAT. 102.1 has 35.4kW of power. There is simply no comparison in signal coverage.

A Vancouver parallel would be The Peak's swap with CFRO, moving to 102.7 to go from 11kW at 570m to 70kW at 682m, all the better to compete with pretty much everything else on FM in the market. Those changes unquestionably contributed to The Peak's increase in ratings that followed, helping the Pattison Group launch a sister Peak in Calgary.

September 30, 2014 @ 1:15 PM

Lorne

Indie started to lose me the moment they pushed that "you pick the music" bullshit. I know how this stuff works. If you phone in and happen to request a song THAT WAS ON THE ROTATION ANYWAYS, it gets played. Maybe they record your call, and have you "request" your song when it is played later in the rotation. The DJs have zero control over what's going to be played. It's directed and programmed down to the second well in advance. How long they have to talk. How long the commercial break will be. Exactly what song will play, and exactly when.

This isn't Johnny Fever sitting in a booth surrounded by vinyl thinking to himself "What will I play next?", and then picking something.

The online version is even more of a joke. It's exactly like The Edge's version of "rank the songs". It's a selection of pre-selected songs that you can put in order. If you are of the correct demographic, they may pay some attention to your ranking. They'll most likely ignore it. All what you're doing is giving them some free demographic information to sell ads with. There is literally nothing you can do in such a fixed "democracy" to make any change. Not that they're equivalent, but why do you think people in Hong Kong are protesting right now? "You can elect anyone you want, as long as it's one of our people".

When they TRULY lost me was their most recent ad campaign. It was yet another generic-sounding, by committee "hip and cool for the key demo" things that shows an utter lack of understanding of what people wanted out of the station. I'm not even going to bother looking on Google Images, but you all know the campaign-- it's some buzzwordy, soulless slogan like "Radio different", or "Your music". And it's just an image of one of various vacant looking hipster douches lovingly holding to a pair of earphones, with a smug fuckoff face like they're having a religious EXPERIENCE listening to RHCP again.

It just screams "We have no idea what we're doing, so we hired some generic marketing company to slap a platitude on a stock image because we're Hippy with the Coolios, right kids?"

September 30, 2014 @ 2:09 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Re: Humble and Amanda

It's not nearly as simple as her wanting a kid and him not wanting a kid.

September 30, 2014 @ 2:32 PM

DUTCH

91.7 GIANT FM for all us old guys

September 30, 2014 @ 2:43 PM

JJ

Oh, the other thing about that is hilarious is their most recent contest. "Be the Voice of Indie" So basically people submit their demos of a few station ids, a contest read from a script provided. They select the finalists then the listeners vote on who gets to be the station voice. The 'winner" will receive 12 thousand dollars and have to do a few hours of recording a week at the studios. So, the grand prize is someone gets to work for indie for 250 dollars a week.

September 30, 2014 @ 3:22 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@JJ

When I first heard the "$1000 / month" promo for the voice over gig, I thought it was $1000 / week. When I realized it was $1000 / month I almost crashed my bike.

September 30, 2014 @ 3:25 PM

JJ

I'm not even sure if that 'contest' is totally legal?

September 30, 2014 @ 3:28 PM

Rob

I imagine it wouldn't be a 40 hour work week.

Say 10 hours a week. Basically $1000 for a work week.

September 30, 2014 @ 3:39 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

12k for a year's worth of voice over work including complete station imaging sounds low to me.

September 30, 2014 @ 3:41 PM

JJ

@rob With things like voicework it isn't as much about the actual time worked as it is the usage. 12k is definitely low. And I wonder if there is anything in the rules prohibiting ACTRA members from entering? I'm not sure they can do that. In the event an ACTRA member wins they'll have to pay them ACTRA rates. I know the voiceover guys I work with are being paid between 500 and 1000 dollars a session plus the buyout to use their voice for however long the campaign is. I could be wrong here but something about this contest just reads as shady.

September 30, 2014 @ 3:47 PM

Cheryl

Well, I am still on top in my football pool. It could have been tied with someone else after last night, as someone else could have had six wins, but the Patriots lost so he is stuck with five wins. I still have six wins, but it's not over and far from over because on Sunday my Ravens and my Cardinals are going to win and I am going to have eight wins. I am going to win my $100.00. It will happen. My Orioles are still off for a couple days, but they play on Thursday. They will beat Detroit in three games. Then beat the Angels in four or five games and then beat the nationals in four or five games. It will be finished probably around the beginning of November. Well, Lady Antebellum's new album arrived. That's the thing. I preordered it and ITunes sent it. One more album to wait for and that's Bob Seger in two weeks.

September 30, 2014 @ 4:38 PM

Matt

@BJ

I'm 25, been listening to satellite radio since I was 18. I've found a bunch of bands I wouldn't have otherwise. Canadian stations also take forever to catch on.

I'll use Volbeat as an example. One of my favourite bands I've been listening to for years before HTZ FM, Y108 etc started playing them. Pop Evil is another example, they just started playing their stuff.

September 30, 2014 @ 5:43 PM

Irv

@TorontoMike

$1000 bucks isn't much. I ran an online internet station in the mid 2000's called "Indie 101. Canadian Radio Sucks. We Suck Less". I paid for professional imaging for the station and the person I hired was a radio voice but not in demand. The rates were substantial if you wanted to refresh your station ID's, etc.

Look at what Kelly Kelly Kelly charges. She's a voice for Clear Channel stations and has did voice for Z103 and X92.9 in Calgary. I was told simple spots could easily cost 100s of dollars & complex stuff 1000's.

September 30, 2014 @ 6:55 PM

Argie

Out of curiosity, when and why was Irv reinstated?

September 30, 2014 @ 7:59 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

We'll call it probation.

September 30, 2014 @ 8:03 PM

Anon&on

A bigger signal is not going to make 88 a better radio station (unless ultimate mediocrity is better). If anything, the signal disadvantage and independent ownership should be making 88 an anomaly, the most different radio experience on the dial. And yet, they've managed to be as mediocre as any big conglomerate on the dial.
88 is exactly what I said and expected it would be from the minute the licence was announced.

September 30, 2014 @ 8:09 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Man I can't wait for the Toronto Municipal Mayoral race to end. I am recycling all the podcasts i have on my Ipod, just can't stand to hear anything election related right now on the radio or TV.
Glad Irv got probation, missed his contribution. It's what makes it interesting around here.

September 30, 2014 @ 9:02 PM

Tiny Montgomery

Secondly, posing for photos in front of an accident scene where someone has just died is mind-bogglingly inappropriate. That the accident involved city employees and a city vehicle makes it even more so. Rob could easily have said no to the photo, yet he did not. For Ford, the only thing that appears to matter is his celebrity (or failing that, his notoriety).

If it's possible to encapsulate the mayoralty of Rob Ford in a single photo, then this is it:
Rob Ford is the mayor who interferes with the work of city employees, adds no value and then vainly poses for photos with clueless admirers. Meanwhile, not thirty feet away, one of his constituents has just lost their life.

Ford more years indeed.

September 30, 2014 @ 9:12 PM


elvis

So weird that 88.1 is playing music that will attract the greatest amount listeners which in turn will attract the most amount of advertising dollars. Why listen to someone else's playlist and bitch about it when you can make your own (for free if you wanted)?

September 30, 2014 @ 9:14 PM

Justin

@Tiny

Who the hell cares if Ford posed for a photo at the accident? Everyone wants to take pictures with the mayor, he didn't want to say no. Why the feigned outrage? It's a non-issue. This is equally as dumb as Ezra Levant lambasting Trudeau for posing for a picture with a bride.

September 30, 2014 @ 9:36 PM

Tiny Montgomery

Who cares if the Mayor poses for selfies while somebody is dying or dead.
Feigned outrage? I wonder what her parents will think.
Posing with a bride vs. posing for selfies while somebody is dying a three
second walk away. No difference? The mayor of a city at an accident scene.

September 30, 2014 @ 9:40 PM

Tiny Montgomery

I don't think it's feigned outrage as much as a shocking realization of how low we've sunk as a city.

September 30, 2014 @ 9:45 PM

Kwyjibo

12k is not low for that kind of voice work. If that's your only source of income, yeah that's peanuts. But most voice actors would kill for a monthly retainer from one revenue source like that.

The contest requires you to be at Indie one day a week for three hours, and maybe at the onset if they're fully transitioning over all their imaging there might be a few long sessions like that, but there's no way Indies weekly updates would take more than 30-60 minutes.

If you're a professional voice actor with a home studio, they'll patch you in for sure, and that eliminates travel time. So if you're in the business, 1k a month for probably two hours of work? Yeah, that's alright. It also legitimizes you as an imaging voice. Now imagine that person images 5 other stations for say...half that price, there's another 2500 for 5 additional hours a week. That's a yearly gross of 42k for a 6 hour work week. Plus you're hustling for other gigs (radio and tv commercial work)

That being said, I doubt they award this to a voice actor. I see this going to someone in the Toronto music scene. Someone with pipes, experience behind a microphone, with a fairly flexible schedule.

September 30, 2014 @ 9:54 PM

Tiny Montgomery

Maybe Rob is so out of it he can't make sense of what is questionable behaviour or not. Maybe that's it.

September 30, 2014 @ 10:15 PM

Jason from Sudbury

I had Sirius for 2 years from 07 to 09. At first it was cool but then I found I got bored of it. Thought about getting it again but found out it's gone up in price quite a bit since I last had it.
I've actually been listening to KNAC.com a bit over the last week or so. I used to listen to that station in the early 2000's.


September 30, 2014 @ 10:17 PM

Irv

@Argie

Given TM's political stance, perhaps he felt the need for protection from possible threats. Politics is ugly brother. Have you seen Reddit lately?

I'm sure my probation will annoy some & ....enrage others.

September 30, 2014 @ 10:58 PM

Jason from Sudbury

Welcome back Irvine, nice to see you back out here.

September 30, 2014 @ 11:22 PM

Argie

@Irv
Mike doesn't have to worry about anything. His political stance is aligned with the same people who would issue and carry through those types of threats (i.e. "Anonymous" types). The other side don't have the time or the tech savvy to issue those threats (we're too busy working for a living).

October 1, 2014 @ 8:20 AM

Philly-Bob

Welcome Back Irvine...missed ya bud.

What does Corey think of all this?? Haven't heard from him in a while...

October 1, 2014 @ 8:31 AM

this guest

plastic lawn chairs destroyed on a stone
not a beautiful image
but symbolic

when we are gone
and our plastic deconstructs
over eons
stone will
continue
growing into
stone

October 1, 2014 @ 10:44 AM

Andrew

@ Elvis et all,

Radio is personal. Great radio is really personal. People tune into a station for a few reasons: music and hosts being a few reasons. You also have destination radio like 680 News where you know that traffic and weather will be every ten minutes.

With the advent of large storage personal listening devices, you can effectively be your own station without the interruption of ads, so why do people still listen to 'radio'?

Personalities. Plain and simple. Elvis, I know you love Stern. Why? What is it about Stern that forces you to listen to him? Why does anyone tune into their favourite station? I listened to CFNY in the glory days to hear new music and be informed about those artists by the people playing the tracks. I have ranted on and on in the past about this very notion and won't go into it anymore. I haven't listened to 88.1 in a very long time. I didn't find their on air talent did anything for me. I listen to Scott Turner on Sunday afternoons when I can, and I enjoy The Fan 590.

I agree with what @Anon&On said in his earlier post and I think I had talked about during my podcast with Mike.

I love this quote too:

"I am amazed at radio DJ's today. I am firmly convinced that AM on my radio stands for Absolute Moron. I will not begin to tell you what FM stands for."

Jasper Carrott

Cheers!
Andrew

October 1, 2014 @ 11:05 AM

Lorne

@Andrew: For me, I tune into radio for convenience. It's only ever in the car. I have a personal device with lots of music, but it sucks. Seriously, fucking Android (whole other rant). And the AUX IN on my car radio broke, 2000km out of warranty. Fucking... grrr... one rant, one rant.

Okay, so even if it was all working, I can get in the car, plug in a device, hope it has enough power, wait for it to load, hope the interface with the car is stable, find a place to mount it, get it playing. Then since I can't touch the device, I either have to rely solely on random, or use another mounted device to skip songs. All those pieces of technology have to work together, and since every single piece of technology is a pile of monkey shit these days, it won't.

OR I can turn on the radio. It just works. I have 12 presets that are engineered to be in arm's reach and work without sight. They just work. Radio signals in Toronto are strong, so they pretty much always work. I can bounce around the FM dial and usually find something at least listenable. Or go to AM for some comedy. Or worse case let 680 drone on a bit.

If it's all commercials and shitty music, I can turn it off for a couple minutes.

I give -1 fucks about the radio personalities. They all sound the same-- fake veneer prattling on about some bullshit "survey" or "news story" they read on Facebook for their corporate mandated 90 seconds, followed by them imploring the listeners to "join the conversation" on the day's chosen social media machine to suck up as much demographic information as possible to sell to the advertisers.

I fully recognize and acknowledge all radio is shit and they all play the same ~100 songs over and over. I chose to use it for my own benefit by listening to the 40-ish songs they play I enjoy, in small, controlled doses. I skip the ads and the prattle. I'm using them for the music, absolutely.

October 1, 2014 @ 11:17 AM

Lorne

Oh neat, just found out I'll be cooking on stage at Markham Fair again. Friday, 7pm, agricultural tent. Just thought I'd mention, in case anyone's going-- or there's a certain commenter who is a flower-named lady who I know will be onsite but will probably be busy with Than Which Shant Be Named. =)

October 1, 2014 @ 11:19 AM

Cheryl

Well, are you excited about baseball? I am, but I don't like it when the games go very slow and there are a lot of walks and they foul 20 or so pitches off plus you have to change pitchers every batter. Anyway, Orioles play tomorrow late afternoon. My Orioles will beat the Tigers and the Angels will beat the Royals. Then the Orioles will beat the Angels and the Nationals to win the World Series, so it's going to happen. Believe me. Then we have an awesome Superbowl coming up. Ravens and Cardinals. It will be close. Cardinals will win by a field goal I think, but it will be a close awesome Superbowl. I'm still not voting and nobody can make me. Try making me and you won't get anywhere. I am not voting. This whole thing makes me puke everywhere.

October 1, 2014 @ 11:20 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Cheryl

I watched the game last night and loved it. The A's led 7-3 with their ace on the mound in the 8th and KC came back to win it in the 12th. Fun game!

October 1, 2014 @ 11:23 AM

Broni

I am OK with Irvine's return as long as it stays civil. I usually find myself agreeing with Irv but sometimes Open Mikes become bogged down with dozens of posts that grow too condescending over time. I'm not referencing only
Irvine on that feedback, as others are guilty of that too. But he seems to delight in fueling the fire, which tunes me right out and takes away from the many POSITIVE reasons I visit this site every day. Stay positive people!

October 1, 2014 @ 11:58 AM

Irv

@Argie

C'mon Argie, I know you're trolling when you imply that the those politically aligned with Toronto Mike are often the types who carry through on threats. You have this simplistic black & white way of looking at things..as if "hard working people" don't have time for it. That's nonsense.

The world is increasingly a polarized place. Everything is vulnerable too. That office tower you work in, do you think all that security is there to keep out homeless people or some hippie protestor angry there aren't enough bike lanes? Politicians & business are very guilty of having an agenda and sometimes using less than savoury means to achieve that agenda. It's always been this way but now we're seeing outright bold face lies by people with an agenda. This is the era of misinformation my friend. Further, there are LOTS of people who would be at risk simply by speaking up or posting opinions and they'd use their real name.

As for the whole Ford thing I admit to being a Ford "disliker". But it's not because Ford has/had an addiction issue. If Ford wants to drink or smoke himself to death, that's his choice. I dislike Ford because he's a bald face liar and he lacks integrity. He also has the whole "King Ford" thing going on. He's just one of many elected officials but he wears a shirt that says "my way or the highway". I just expect politicians to carry themselves with integrity & if I could, I'd pass a law that made that a reason to be removed from office.

The reality in Toronto is there isn't any good options for the job of Mayor. But there seems to be this group of robot partisan types who believe we should just forgive Rob for his mistakes. Boys will be boys. There are still people who haven't forgiven Trudeau for the National Energy Program & he's dead.

October 1, 2014 @ 12:28 PM

Argie

@Irv
I guess you haven't paid attention to what recently happened here in Toronto - Rob Ford isn't running for mayor.

As far as we know, Doug doesn't associate with gangsters, doesn't smoke crack and doesn't get hammered in public.

October 1, 2014 @ 12:37 PM

Tiny Montgomery

I think this person is a good option for mayor for the simple reason she will address actual needs of actual people not corporations or the mythical 'taxpayer' (who actually got nothing from the Fords they could touch or feel).
Keenan in the Star:

The specific promise Tuesday was to invest in childcare — $15 million in money to build and expand facilities, $20 million in ongoing operating funds. Together she says these would create 3,000 new childcare spaces, half of them subsidized.
In a city where a dramatic shortage of care spots available is a crisis that limits the earning power and quality of life of hundreds of thousands of residents, this fills a need. When the waiting list for subsidized spots is 20,000 kids long, a proposal to increase the number of spots almost 8 per cent is better than doing nothing. Nothing is the sum total of what the other candidates have put in their platforms so far.

October 1, 2014 @ 12:38 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Argie - You are correct, he has not done any of those things. But as Irv pointed out, that isn't the problem. The problem is lies! Of which Doug Ford has told many ("My Brother doesn't get drunk in Public" comes to mind...)

October 1, 2014 @ 12:42 PM

this guest

Doug is a fabrication
machine
he could be a
seamstress

October 1, 2014 @ 12:45 PM

Irv

@Argie

Doug is a bald face liar & he's shown he has no integrity, exactly the same traits as Rob. It's no different dude. Ford won't win because if he comes close the Chow supporters will simply vote for Tory.

October 1, 2014 @ 12:52 PM

Argie

@Irv
Many have already jumped to Tory. However, I believe her advisers will never bring themselves to drop out and back Tory. They hate him almost as much as they do the Fords.

She and her ardent supporters are in it for the bitter end.

October 1, 2014 @ 1:05 PM

this guest

Doug Ford is going to tear down Tory
from now till Oct. 27
more effectively than Rob
could have done
He will go after Chow
less vociferously
Thinking she is the lesser threat
but he is in for a
surprise

October 1, 2014 @ 1:25 PM

Tiny Montgomery

Chow is not an insider millionaire nor is she a know-nothing. She's actually pretty much like a Red Tory from long ago. Sounds reasonable to me.
http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=199837

October 1, 2014 @ 1:36 PM

Argie

@this guest & @Tiny
Chow seems like a really nice person - which is why she makes a terrible politician (I mean that as a compliment).

Even when she tried to come off as a smart-ass with the "work of art" gesture to mock Tory's transit plan, it didn't come off well. That's not her - she can't roll around in the dirt like the other two.

October 1, 2014 @ 1:56 PM

McNulty

Chow wants to save the city but I don't think she can run it.

Tory does seem phony a lot and I think he does speak from both sides of his mouth. However, he wants to run the city effectively and I think he can.

Ford is a liar and hot head. He can't run the city and I don't think he really wants to. He wants to win the election but I don't think he really wants to be Mayor. At least Rob wanted to be Mayor, not that he was good at it.

October 1, 2014 @ 2:11 PM

Irv

@This Guest

Ford may try to tear down Tory, but I'd say there is a risk to that. Harper attempted the same thing against J. Trudeau and it completely backfired. The public is pretty grumpy and I sense they're just sick of all the drama.


October 1, 2014 @ 2:14 PM

Lorne

@McNulty: "but I don't think she can run it". Honestly, I think that would make her a good mayor. As Ford's proven time and time and time again, the mayor is only one vote on the council. She has good ideas, and a good heart. If she puts together a good executive team to help her turn those into realistic action plans, she'd have a good chance of getting consensus from the council.

October 1, 2014 @ 2:33 PM

Irv

Notice all the dating ads on the site lately?

October 1, 2014 @ 2:46 PM

this guest

She's tougher than one
might think
I think

Remember when that robot
was terrorizing Liberty Village
and she took it out
singlehandedly

well true she had a crowbar

October 1, 2014 @ 3:08 PM

this guest

Rob tried to drop kick the robot
and fell backwards
John Tory
told the robot to be reasonable
and it ate his nephew
Soknacki said according to his
calculations the robot's batteries
would die in 2017

October 1, 2014 @ 3:11 PM

this guest

sarah thompson
fell off her
horse

October 1, 2014 @ 3:12 PM

this guest

fin

October 1, 2014 @ 3:14 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

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October 1, 2014 @ 3:16 PM

GUNTer

@ this guest
'fin' ahahahahahahah

October 1, 2014 @ 4:08 PM

Lorne

@mike: css to the rescue!

div.comment img,
div.mycomment img
{
max-width:540px !important;
height: auto !important;
}

October 1, 2014 @ 5:29 PM

this guest

@ GUNTer

merci. :- )

October 1, 2014 @ 5:30 PM


Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Lorne

Ok, what did I do wrong?

I added your CSS and posted a too-wide image as "test"...

October 1, 2014 @ 5:46 PM

Lorne

I think you have an unclosed comment in style.css

There's no */ after "a faint grey line...."

.topborder {
border-top: 1px solid #DDDDDD; /* A faint grey line above the text
padding-top: 10px;
}

div.comment img,
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{ max-width:540px !important;
height: auto !important; }

October 1, 2014 @ 7:34 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Lorne

Doh!

It works. Thanks!

October 1, 2014 @ 7:49 PM

dale

Dan Shulman is the best nest to Vin Scully or Tom Cheek.

Dan's Dad was my wife's Dentist in Toronto before we met.

October 1, 2014 @ 8:40 PM

Anonymous

@johntoryT0 · 21h 21 hours ago
Hey #TOpoli! my golf buddy just endorsed me for Mayor and get this he's CEO of the Jays who the company I'm director of happens to own.

October 2, 2014 @ 9:15 AM

Cheryl

Well, I didn't listen to the game on Tuesday. I will listen tonight though. Chris Tillman is on the mound for the Orioles and he will be great. Easy win for my Orioles, that's for sure. They are going to win it all, believe me, they will. It will probably end some time in November. Anyway, two football wins this weekend and I will have eight wins. I hope nobody else gets eight wins. Well, I have six and the highest anyone else has is five so there's no way anyone will be tied with me. Anyway, Ravens and Cardinals are going to win on Sunday.

October 2, 2014 @ 9:56 AM

Count Dracula (or use a calculator)

Regular guy doug is a millionaire. Is john tory a millionaire or a billionaire.

October 2, 2014 @ 11:22 AM

Tiny Montgomery

Immigrants to Canada who are citizens and have represented Canada to foreign nations can't run cities? She had 'free' housing? (the answer is no but that won't convince idiots). Chow smacks down a racist, sexist idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCOdNwVwS74

October 2, 2014 @ 1:57 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Tiny - Racist idiots will be racist idiots. However, it isn't her race or gender that makes me think she'll be a bad mayor. I just don't think she has her priorities straight. Tory is the best option currently available to Toronto.

That being said, I'd take Chow over Ford any day!

October 2, 2014 @ 2:00 PM

Tiny Montgomery

I didn't write this:
We woke up to this, sprouting up from the last of the season's lavender. Thank you, campaign elves for Olivia Chow!

I am voting for Olivia because I am voting for school nutrition programs for 36,000 more children. I am voting for 3,000 new child care spaces. I am voting for 200km of safe bike lanes. I am voting for increased arts funding and a new city music office (paid for by a billboard tax, which I am also voting for). I am voting for 15,000 affordable housing units. I am voting for a subway relief line and more bus service. I am voting for one million trees. I am voting for progressive taxation and sound economic development. I am voting for substance AND style (have you seen the woman's clothes? so artful). I am voting for smart policy and discourse, not (bellowed, repetitive, shallow) sound bites. I am voting strategically – for what I want for the people in our city, not for what I’m afraid of.

And I am voting for Olivia so our daughter can see that a soft-spoken, intelligent, creative, compassionate woman with good ideas and demonstrated leadership and social commitment is the person who best represents the spirit of Toronto, the place we’ve chosen for her home.

October 2, 2014 @ 2:02 PM

this guest

Tory's Smart Track Plan
doesn't
work to get the biggest bang for the buck
and the financing is screwy, screwy, screwy
according to the Globe
and Star

October 2, 2014 @ 2:05 PM

this guest

I wish I had monster speakers
for this computer:
Fleetwood Mac
Rumours

And if you don't love me now
You will never love me again
I can still hear you saying
You would never break the chain....

shit man
the truth is
I broke the chain
and regret it
every day

can't blame that on Ford

October 2, 2014 @ 2:37 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Tiny - and the only part of her priorities I agree with are:

I am voting for school nutrition programs for 36,000 more children. I am voting for 3,000 new child care spaces.

Other than that, i think she's wrong. The city has bigger problems than bike lanes and music funding. For me it all comes back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and she's got hers dead wrong.

October 2, 2014 @ 2:41 PM

Philly-Bob

and Doug Ford is a buffoon I wouldn't trust to run a yard sale, let alone a city. Hence why Tory is the only option, he isn't my ideal choice, but he's the only one of the candidates who has a chance of getting Toronto back on track.

October 2, 2014 @ 2:43 PM

Argie

@Phil
Didn't Doug run his family's company fairly well? They've made millions apparently. So yes, I think he could run a yard sale and even a city like Toronto.

October 2, 2014 @ 2:51 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Argie - I work in the industrial sector, and we've dealt with Deco Labels in the past, we don't any more due to their business practices.

I'm not going to make unfounded accusations, but the place could be described as a laundromat.....

October 2, 2014 @ 3:20 PM

Argie

@Phil
Are you accusing the Fords of running a criminal organization?

October 2, 2014 @ 3:33 PM

Philly-Bob

Running?? No, no I'm not.

October 2, 2014 @ 3:51 PM

Philly-Bob

If you inferred that from me describing a "label factory" as a Laundromat...well, I can't be held responsible for what you infer.

I'm just saying that there isn't as big a demand for labels as there might have been when Doug Ford Sr. started the business oh so many years ago.....

October 2, 2014 @ 3:54 PM

Argie

@Phil
So why would it be best described as a Laundromat?

October 2, 2014 @ 3:57 PM

Philly-Bob

Cause things go in dirty and come out clean....what else would happen at a laundromat??

October 2, 2014 @ 3:59 PM

Argie

@Phil
That's OK, come Oct 27 Doug will be too busy to run his laundry/labels business when he's elected Mayor.

October 2, 2014 @ 4:06 PM

Philly-Bob

Methinks not...

October 2, 2014 @ 4:07 PM

Irv

The Toronto mayor campaign is really an election about the suburbs versus the urbanites.

One great irony on this is the "suburban" guy (Ford) often accuses Chow (the urbanite) of spending too much. Yet, study after study shows that urban dwellers often pay more in taxes AND subsidize the suburbanites.


@Philly-Bob

The real issue with Toronto is the state of the economy in Ontario. I remember back in 2006 watching CNBC and seeing US bonds go contango. I remember it like I remember the message when Lehman Bros went down because I thought "oh fucking shit". It signified a recession was coming & it wasn't hard to imagine the outcome. The US economy was maxed out on credit and 40% of US corporate profits came from the sale/trading of voodoo financial witchcraft (aka CDO's). Toss in spiraling energy prices and it was easy to tell ugly was coming. Well ugly did come and it kneecapped the USA and that kneecapped Ontario. Toronto can cut all the costs it wants but it needs to attract new types of business (and work with the province) to do that. But I don't see anyone talking about that. It's got no resources so it needs to use it's brains to flourish. It needs wealth creation by technology & development.

Subways are great but less great if you don't have a job to ride the subway too.

October 2, 2014 @ 4:19 PM

this guest

Culture and
'the arts' i.e. 'festivals'
brings in a tremendous
amount of revenue
to the city.

October 2, 2014 @ 5:28 PM

this guest

Brainpower + creativity
can make Toronto a
destination city

but we've wasted several
years i.e.
4
getting there

October 2, 2014 @ 5:31 PM

Speysidephil

"Culture and the "Arts"
So fuzzy and warm.
The left likes fuzzy and warm .
They also like everyone else's money.
Ho hum!

October 2, 2014 @ 7:40 PM

this guest

How much money does Caribana put into
the city's coffers?
Fuzzy and Warm?
How about cold, hard cash.

Studies have been done that show
the value of the arts to the economy.
A practical matter.

October 2, 2014 @ 8:08 PM

Speysidephil

I don't consider Caribana fuzzy and warm, but a great festival worthy of every penny it gets.

You know exactly what I mean by fuzzy and warm.
Special interests anyone!

October 2, 2014 @ 8:13 PM

this guest

I will admit getting warm and fuzzy from kittens and cute babies
and llamas.

I don't get warm and fuzzy from the arts. I get emotional satisfaction, metaphysical engagement, entertainment, education, creative stimulation, etc....

But in terms of civic engagement there is
big money in festivals and culture i.e. arts.
It's worth investing in having a creative city.

May 3, 2010 Toronto Star:
But now, there is even more reason to boast: Caribana is putting big money where its mouth is — $438 million, to be precise.
That’s how much the festival injected into Ontario’s economy last year, most of which was ploughed into the GTA economy, according to an Ipsos Reid Economic Impact Study released last week.

The Toronto International Film Festival Inc. (TIFF) last conducted an economic impact study in 2003. At that time, the economic impact of TIFF was estimated to be $67 million.

October 2, 2014 @ 8:35 PM

Marie

@This Guest
Do we really need to invest additional tax money into the arts community that already contribute so much to our economy?
Nashville North sounds good.
Private dollars
Additional revenue
Another reason to come to TO

October 2, 2014 @ 9:18 PM

this guest

@ Marie,

That's a brilliant question
And while I am no expert
I'd guess that 'seed' money is often required
for initiatives that grow out
of the local arts community.

The other issue is supporting artists & community arts
in creating the work that contributes to the
possibility of cultural enrichment: festivals, etc...


October 2, 2014 @ 9:27 PM

chris

@this guest

Did you go to school.
Write sentence to sentence - step by step.
Your enter key must be toast?

October 2, 2014 @ 9:54 PM

Anonymous

@ chris
No we were raised by wolfhounds.
I have carpeted the enter key.

shag.

October 2, 2014 @ 10:09 PM

Tiny Montgomery

Toronto 2014 ‏@johntoryT0 26m26 minutes ago
@sunlorrie you know what's sad, 9 private #TOpoli golf courses have a tax subsidy worth tens of millions and #silence

October 2, 2014 @ 10:22 PM

this guest

anonymous was me above
thank you
too easy to forget
when one is thinking of
wolfhound
nannies and
tutors.

goodnight. be well.

October 2, 2014 @ 10:54 PM

Gump

@Argie

Just to clarify, are you projecting a Doug Ford win for mayor?

October 2, 2014 @ 11:25 PM

Cheryl

Well, how about those Orioles. Great win 12 to 3. Homers by Nelson Cruz and JJ Hardy. Anyway, next game is at noon today nice and early. I will be taking the afternoon off. Thing is that I do not like lots of walks although there weren't many last night. Also I hate having pitcher changes in the middle of an inning and fouling lots of pitches off. those are still my baseball pet peeves even though I'm liking it more now. Three hours should be long enough for a baseball game or any kind of game. I hate that Kinsler guy. He's the one who kept fouling off all those pitches, but aside from all that, Orioles are still going to win the World Series. Anyway, another football Sunday as well. Ravens and Cardinals will win. both those teams will be in the Superbowl.

October 3, 2014 @ 4:35 AM

Argie

@Gump
Ya never know. I've given up trying predict these things.

October 3, 2014 @ 8:09 AM

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