Mike Tyson live on CP24: "F#@* You", and "You're a rat bastard piece of s#@%"

Moments ago, reporter Nathan Downer asked Tyson if the fact he was a "convicted rapist" would negatively affect Rob Ford's chances at the polls.

The response was pure gold, and Downer just about shit himself. As of this writing this link works, but audio very low:



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Ben Vidal

Where can I find proper audio I couldn't hear anything

September 10, 2014 @ 2:47 PM

Jason from Sudbury

Same here

September 10, 2014 @ 2:53 PM


Mike in Guelph

I don't know if I would say the response was "pure gold". The man got offended by a question that others have thought. The question contained accurate facts. Then he went on a tirade and threw a hissy fit.

Just plain immature.

September 10, 2014 @ 3:01 PM

Mike in Guelph

Another point, why do people like Mike Tyson now?

Does this mean in 20 years, people will like Ray Rice again?

What does that say about us?

September 10, 2014 @ 3:03 PM

Ryan G

Pure gold to me Mike in Guelph. I love cringe, and I'm obviously not drilling down to the individual words said back and forth and who was right or wrong.

September 10, 2014 @ 3:05 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

In case the video gets taken down, here's the transcript:

Downer: Now well some of your critiques would say, you know, there's a race for mayor, we know you're a convicted rapist, this could hurt his campaign. How would you respond to that?
Tyson: Hey, um. I don't know who said that. You're the only one I heard say that. You know what I mean? And I don't have no comment to that, because you know because it's negative. You're being negative. And.. I met the mayor and.. Nothing you can do about it.
Rob?: We actually had a really good time, we met George Chuvalo, who is a legend from your city. Great man, with whom Mike spent quite a great bit of time with yesterday talking about his life...
Tyson: It's so interesting, that you come across as a nice guy, but you're really a piece of shit.
Downer: Hey, come on.
Tyson: Fuck you. You piece of shit.
Downer: You know, Rob, we're doing live TV here.
Tyson: Yeah what are you going to do about it?
Downer: You got a show that you're doing tonight.
Rob: We are. It's raw and the real thing.
Downer: A lot of people are eager to see your show, tell us a bit about it.
Tyson: You know. It speaks for itself for anyone who saw the show.
Rob: It's a broadway production, it went to Vegas, it went to 21 cities in the United States and we're really really proud to bring it here and we're actually going to Monaco on October 9th. We're going to Monte Carlo.
Downer: Right, is it nerve wracking to do something like this? Or is it more nervous for you to box? How does it compare?
Tyson: I don't know. It's more nerve wracking for us to be talking to a rat piece of shit like you.
Downer: Come on, Mike.
Tyson: No, because you're a piece of shit.
Downer: All right.
Tyson: You really are.
Downer: We're gonna wrap it soon. Thank you for coming in.
Tyson: Fuck you.

September 10, 2014 @ 3:31 PM

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argie's hero

September 10, 2014 @ 3:35 PM


Tiny Montgomery

A man convicted of rape is confronted with evidence he was convicted of rape.
His response: You're being negative.

September 10, 2014 @ 3:53 PM

Argie

Why did the ACC book him?

September 10, 2014 @ 4:04 PM

Jamie

That.....Was...... AWESOME!!!!!

September 10, 2014 @ 4:06 PM

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September 10, 2014 @ 4:12 PM

Anonymous

Yeah I'm sure Mike Tyson's rape conviction will be the end of Rob Ford. What a stupid unnecessary question, I wouldn't be surprised if Tyson tunes him up in the parking lot afterwards and ears both his ears for dinner tonight.

September 10, 2014 @ 4:16 PM

Argie

The nutters are out in full force again....

September 10, 2014 @ 4:16 PM

this guest

The nutters are out in full force
but as of now they only have
27%
and that isn't going any higher

September 10, 2014 @ 4:23 PM

this guest

tyson simply adds another distasteful flavour
to the bad experience of rob ford
and his sad, ignorant followers.

bye robbie. enjoy your meetings with
the police.

September 10, 2014 @ 4:26 PM

Ann

I wonder if we just saw the end of Nathan Downer's interviewing career. If you were from Hollywood and here for TIFF, wouldn't you be leary of any dirt from your past being flung in your face, on live TV, by this guy. Not that I condone Tyson's actions in anyway, this was not the time nor the place, to confront him for his past and to try and make a name for yourself. Hope this doesn't reflect poorly on TIFF or Toronto. Nathan Downer, your name has been struck off 'the polite and affable Canadian list.'

September 10, 2014 @ 4:45 PM

Cambo

The question about being a convicted rapist was out of line. I'm quite sure had Tyson knew this question was on the list he would have declined the interview, but he was caught off guard in a question that was inappropriate and irrelevant to the interview. Downer should have chosen his questions more wisely.

September 10, 2014 @ 4:53 PM

Speysidephil

God forbid the lefties supporting anyone who will save them tax dollars .
They prefer the spend and tax leeches like Tory and Chow and what's her name that runs Ontario.
I for one am sick of supporting your socialist freebies, and yes I know Mike I don't live in your sorry little City, but there is a reason Ford has 27 percent and it's his policies plain and simple. The 27 percent are not nutcases , sad or ignorant, they are just fed up with being bled dry by corrupt government and corrupt politicians.

September 10, 2014 @ 4:55 PM

this guest

Which socialist freebies? What would be on that list?

September 10, 2014 @ 4:58 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

In case it's not clear, I didn't post this entry.

Periodically, Ryan G will post something on his own, as he did with this post.

September 10, 2014 @ 4:58 PM

Speysidephil

@This guest

Full day day care for one . I really don't need to go on!

September 10, 2014 @ 5:04 PM

John Jackson

Downer is a piece of garbage for ambushing Tyson like that. Hopefully that will spell the end of Downer's career (if you could even call it that).

September 10, 2014 @ 5:43 PM

jumama

Stupid fuck What did you expect asking such a stupid question

September 10, 2014 @ 5:45 PM

this guest

Do you mean full day kindergarten? As opposed to half day?
That's a socialist freebie? It's an educational trend even in Alberta.
Or perhaps you're opposed to free public education?
Are Ford supporters opposed to free public education?

September 10, 2014 @ 5:46 PM

Anonymous

Or do you mean city administered day care spaces? Yes the city provides a number of subsidized day care spaces for parents who meet the income requirements. They can leave their child in regulated, inspected environments and go to work.

Providing healthy and safe child care is as much a function of responsible government as road maintenance, traffic safety, health regulations, medical care, a fire department, hospitals, etc...

September 10, 2014 @ 6:05 PM

t.d.

Brutal rapist ambushed on TV. Wait. Didn't the actual ambush happen when a helpless, small woman was sexually assaulted by a heavyweight boxer? The misogynists are screaming now. The defenders of rape are screaming now. Bravo to the reporter for bravely facing an enormous man known for biting off ears and other violent acts. Hell of a lot of guts. Thank you for all victims of rape.

September 10, 2014 @ 6:17 PM

Anonymous

Fire Nathan Downer! You dont invite someone to your studio and ask them a question in that fashion about an event that occured more then 20 years ago. I hope that deters others from going to CP24 for an interview. #torontomediasuck

September 10, 2014 @ 6:21 PM

t.d.

You're not a woman who has experienced a threatening situation are you anonymous? You're not somebody's daughter who was violently attacked are you? You're not somebody's mother who was raped are you? Or a wife who was raped and had to be tested for STDs and who worries now about HIV. You're not are you?

September 10, 2014 @ 6:36 PM

dale

The question by Downer was way out of line.
Mike reacted like anyone would about something that happened 20 years ago.

Mike & his agent were there to promote his performance at ACC tonight & not talk about Ford or his previous convictions.

Mike should have just walked out.

September 10, 2014 @ 6:54 PM

Sammi

I agree with you dale. Mike Tyson should have walked out.

September 10, 2014 @ 7:03 PM

GUNTer

Ford reportedly in hospital Wednesday night with 'tumour'.
More later from DoFo.

September 10, 2014 @ 7:09 PM

this guest

@ dale,
Mike reacted like anyone would about something that happened 20 years ago.

oh like driving while drunk and killing a haywagon full of mennonite kids or something
like that?
or like swiping a pencil sharpener at work?
Or what?

Or did he react like anybody would react who destroyed somebody else's life?

September 10, 2014 @ 7:24 PM

Rob

There is actually legitimate concerns that Tyson wasn't given a fair trial. The jury didn't hear three witnesses that contradicted the claims of the victim as well as never informed the victim was caught lying in earlier statements. Similar a judge recused himself from the appeal for questionable reasons when he likely would have voted to overturn the verdict.

He was found guilty though and is a convicted rapist. He has since then worked on changing himself and been open about his problems. I think it is fair game if this was some sit down one and one interview where there was no rules and everything could be discussed. The way it was done was an ambush not because the interviewer wants to know the answer to that question but because the interviewer had an agenda either to take a shot at Tyson or Ford.

Don't get me wrong this is not "I love Mike Tyson leave him alone". If you don't respect the guy and don't accept he served his time for the crime, refuse to interview him or don't let him on CP24. This interviewer is taking a stand while using Tyson for his own and the stations personal gain. A more mature and appropriate response would had been to decline the interview on moral grounds.

So Tyson is scummy enough person to blindside in an interview to illicit a response but not scummy enough to be used to get attention to yourself and the station. Rape is terrible but not when you can parlay that crime into a better career for yourself. Because Downer clearly wasn't reporting here. He delivered that question hoping Tyson would respond in a way that would become viral.

I just think it is a shitty and manipulative thing to do by the interviewer. If he actually wanted to bring up the rape there were thousands of better ways to ask the question. The manner which he did clearly shows this wasn't about reporting but some other selfish desire. Maybe Downer is tired of doing fluff pieces and hoping this parlays into a book deal and a more respectable gig.

September 10, 2014 @ 7:46 PM

this guest

thanks Rob.
very informative post.
sorry I just know somebody who was a victim of this crime.
not Tyson personally but rape.
it is a monstrous crime.

September 10, 2014 @ 7:58 PM

dale

@this guest

While on the AIR - be it TV or Radio when a question is asked that is derogatory about you 20 YEARS AGO.

Walk the LINE & Walk OUT.

Downer was out of line trying to make a name for himself in a sensitive interview. Wrong question Downer you should be CANNED.

September 10, 2014 @ 8:17 PM

Jillian

That was amazing....never watched Nathan Downer but I love that he challenged Tyson rather than asking him the safe questions.

How about the fact that Mike Tyson can't put a coherent sentence together and his promotor has to answer all questions?

September 10, 2014 @ 8:18 PM

Whit

Downer has to go. No one condones the act of rape or any other form of harassment or violence but here is a guy trying to turn the corner for decades and he gets ambushed by this punk? Embarrassing for the network to say the very least. So long Downer. CP 24 is supposed to be a professional outfit armed with people who edit scripts, and have years of experience following protocol. Tyson is a work in progress clearly after seeing that. Tyson 1, CP 24 and Downer 0.

September 10, 2014 @ 8:21 PM

Gump

On Rob Ford :
Meets Mike Tyson (securing the important ex-con vote)!
Tell-all book by his former chief-of-staff Towhey!
Has tumor!

Everything is happening!!

(aside : I hope nothing but bad luck wrt to the election but positive thoughts regarding his health).

September 10, 2014 @ 8:38 PM

this guest

Here is the actual question:

Downer: Now well some of your critiques would say, you know, there's a race for mayor, we know you're a convicted rapist, this could hurt his campaign. How would you respond to that?

Is this not relevant to the Toronto mayoralty election?

September 10, 2014 @ 8:45 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I certainly felt it was a fair question.

Mike Tyson is just a big baby who had a little hissy fit on live television.

September 10, 2014 @ 8:47 PM

Tyson

to everyone calling mike a rapist:

yes because no black man has ever been convinced wrongly of rapping a women.

here is mike in his own words about it:

“The rape conviction in the Desiree Washington case is the reason why a lot of people don’t like you,” I say. “People forgive you for a lot of your past indiscretions, but this, they feel, is unforgivable.”

“I didn’t rape her,” he says. “They wanted to convict me more than anything in the world. There’s not a person in the history of that state that got convicted for rape that did less time than I did. They wanted to be known for the state that convicted me. If the hanging judge really believed I did that, they would have given me 60 years. But they gave me six, which got cut down to three.”

“Dershowitz claimed that she’d cried wolf once in the past,” I note.

“And what, you put yourself in a situation like that twice?” he says. “I just thought that was bullshit. I didn’t have a good image at the time and was very foul-mouthed. It’s just stereotypes. If you’re big, black, and strong, you’re a rapist; if you’re smart and Jewish, you’re a tax cheat; if you’re an Italian in a nice suit, you’re a fuckin’ gangster; if you’re a Latino, you’re having a bunch of babies and making money off welfare. These are stereotypes, and we get convicted in this country based on these stereotypes.”

September 10, 2014 @ 8:50 PM

Rob

@TheGuest

I don't know if Tyson committed the crime. According to the courts he did but there is enough question with the trials where I don't think it is appropriate to ambush him like that.

Sorry about your friend, I am not trying trivialize a potential rape or think rape is acceptable because someone is a celebrity.

It is a horrendous crimes that should have stiffer penalties.

September 10, 2014 @ 8:52 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Tyson

Regardless, it was still a fair question.

Tyson met with Ford in front of many cameras yesterday and this is a sensible and appropriate follow-up.

September 10, 2014 @ 8:52 PM

Rob

I think that is a fair question for Rob Ford.

September 10, 2014 @ 8:54 PM

Speysidephil

Lousy cheap question, totally out of line given the fact that I assume he was there to talk about his show.
Downer should be fired or whoever told him to ask the question in that manner should be.
There were a hundred different ways to probe that question . FAIL!!

September 10, 2014 @ 9:00 PM

elvis

If it's hurtful for Rob Ford's campaign to be meeting with Mike Tyson, isn't it also hurtful to the credibility of a news network and reporter to be giving Mike a platform to sell tickets to a show?

September 10, 2014 @ 9:02 PM

Argie

The question was intended to insult Ford more than it was to insult Tyson.

That said, Downer shouldn't be fired. He was just asking the question 99% of the media wanted to ask Tyson.

Also, Tyson did over react - then again, were any of us surprised?

Get better Rob- to hell with the campaign.

September 10, 2014 @ 9:09 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@elvis

Firstly, I don't think it hurts Rob Ford for him to meet with Tyson because those who still support Ford wouldn't care if he met with OJ Simpson or Floyd Mayweather. They're locked in no matter what.

Finally, most news networks interview stars when they're in town promoting something. It's common. CP24 gets the interview, Mike Tyson gets to plug his show. CP24 isn't exactly the Wall Street Journal.

September 10, 2014 @ 9:10 PM

dale

@MIke

NO it wasn't a fair question. He was interviewed with Ford for people coming to see his act at ACC. He used Ford but so what.

Tyson was interviewed on CP24 to talk about his ACC performance tonight, not about what happened 20 years ago. Downer should be fired with his derogatory questions.

If anyone saw Mike Tyson's interview on TSN's OTR show yesterday with Michael Landsberg you will see a NEW Mike Tyson. He has changed his lifestyle but give him credit for what he talked about yesterday & Downer is a piece of $h!t.


September 10, 2014 @ 9:21 PM

elvis

I don't think it's fair to compare Tyson to O.J. or Mayweather but I understand your point. My question was more directed to CP24. In trying to make up a news story, they played right into Mike's hands. His reaction (which I believe was totally fabricated) got himself on your mom's favourite blog, all over my Facebook newsfeed and onto every news/entertainment website. CP24 just sold a lot of tickets for nothing.

I still think my point is valid - if it's so disgusting for a politician to meet with a convicted rapist, why interview said convicted rapist?

September 10, 2014 @ 9:22 PM

this guest

Ford Nation alternatively ignores Ford's consorting with criminals while
having no problem with the (for profit) prison - industrial complex and
stiff penalties for crime.
It's very very schizoid.

September 10, 2014 @ 9:24 PM

Anonymous

@ Elvis

Valid point about double standards I think.
And didn't the interviewer sort of completely skewer that entire double
standard with his behaviour?

September 10, 2014 @ 9:26 PM

elvis

To be fair Mike, you're correct - Mayweather is also a criminal. While he didn't kill two people, rape someone or commit armed robbery, he still beats women.

September 10, 2014 @ 9:28 PM

Speysidephil

@Argie
Really Argie 99 percent of the media wanted to ask that question, I don't think so because 99 percent of the media are afraid to lose there jobs by asking such an ambush question.
The media as it is now is more concerned with Justin Bieber and TIFF. That's is all they are good for, and Downer just confirmed that in a crystal clear way.
But i do agree, get better Rob, the good side is thinking about you and wish you all the best.

September 10, 2014 @ 9:29 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

All these different opinions are what make life so interesting.

I think it's a completely fair question, because he is a convicted rapist and he did just meet with the mayor in a heated campaign. But now I'm repeating myself...

September 10, 2014 @ 9:31 PM

this guest

I wish Rob Ford a speedy and healthy recovery. I would like to see him at home
with his family after experiencing a crushing political defeat. But I wish him good health.

September 10, 2014 @ 9:46 PM

Cymone

The fact is the whole reason for him being there was to positively talk about his new show. Not him meeting the mayor which Mr. Downer purposly slipped in just so he can mention his past conviction. It was a little vindictive and I'm sure Mr. Downer intentionally wanted a rise out of him. Mike missed an opportunity to prove himself a better person and as a celebrity he should have learned already how to compose himself better in the public eye.
Everyone has a weak point and nobody knows his feelings towards the situation so you cannot possibly expect him not to be touchy.

September 10, 2014 @ 10:06 PM

this guest

thanks for the blog Mike and all the debating.
At the end of the day our days amount
to what seems like the blink of an eye

September 10, 2014 @ 10:14 PM

this guest

Chow gave a very sincere wish for Rob Ford's health tonight. She's been through it with her husband.
I'm sure she also remembers Ford's very gracious comments about Jack Layton after he passed.

September 10, 2014 @ 10:19 PM

sergeant

Argie could take Tyson.

September 10, 2014 @ 10:27 PM

Anonymous

No, you were right. PURE GOLD

September 10, 2014 @ 11:23 PM

Anonymous

Just saw on Twitter: Mark my words, by Friday Doug will be running for mayor and Rob will be running in Ward 2 where he can win. -- We shall see if this bears fruit or is insane.

September 10, 2014 @ 11:49 PM

M M

Although not good news, the timing of Rob's tumor announcement may turn out to be interesting. The deadline for submitting candidacy and withdrawing candidacy is Friday, September 12. There have been so many lies coming from his camp, that even these news I have to take with some hesitancy. I wonder if the timing of the announcement is related to the deadline and recent polling? I would encourage him to run, like any real man would, as did Jack Layton...

September 11, 2014 @ 12:32 AM

Joe

Good on Tyson to respond back with equal disrespect to this ignorant little puke man. Nate is probably a closet depressive downer.

September 11, 2014 @ 12:59 AM

McNulty

I disagree with you on this, Mike. It wasn't that fair of a question and it was worded pretty harshly. Tyson was there to promote a show and do a light interview. It wasn't really about Ford or his conviction. Perhaps they could have asked why he supported Ford but asking if Tyson's rape conviction would affect Ford was pointless.

However, Tyson's reaction was terrible and uncalled for. And the response from people like Dale calling the reporter a piece of shit shows the level of mentality of people who back Tyson.

Tyson raped a woman. The question, while out of place, is still valid. Let's not feel sorry for the poor rapist.

September 11, 2014 @ 7:22 AM

Cambo

CP24 has never been known for high journalism standards. The interview with Tyson was bush-league journalism at best. Downer was trying to make a name for himself- which he likely did.

Tyson's mistake was doing the interview live- he should have demanded it be taped; vetting the questions before. He would have surely declined the interview- in which case CP24 will be able to secure him again (if they wanted to). Downer will become known for asking stupid questions.

September 11, 2014 @ 7:31 AM

Gary

Amateur and bush league journalism. I have a lot more patience than Tyson, but I think I may have reacted the same way or just walked out.

September 11, 2014 @ 7:42 AM

Anonymous

Everybody pissed off on Tyson's behalf thinks in their heart of hearts they are a fucking heavyweight champ and irresistible to women who are 'asking for it.'

September 11, 2014 @ 8:04 AM

Al The Royal Pain

IMO both sides are in the wrong here. Downer should know his place, he's not working for 60 Minutes or CBC news, he's interviewing a celebrity who is there to promote a show. I think that even 60 minutes might have worded the exact same question differently so as to not dangle red in front of the bull that is Tyson.

Tyson is a vile human being with too many issues to count. He reacted exactly how I would expect him to react given his history. Why does this surprise anyone?

The fact that Downer acted so shocked/outraged tells me more about him. It was an opportunistic act on his part.

September 11, 2014 @ 8:34 AM

Argie

As I wrote earlier, this is more about Ford than Tyson. Ever since Tyson showed up in the Hangover a few years back, the public seems to gave forgotten about the rape conviction. He's done a ton of media for his tour and his movies with no questions re: the rape.

Suddenly, Tyson visits Ford and the pitch fork media in Toronto bring up Tyson's rape conviction. Why the hell didn't they mention it before?

As for Downer, he's looking at a promotion - likely in the US.

September 11, 2014 @ 9:04 AM

Lorne

Holy shit, are there people whose full time job is to find any and all forums on the Internet that talk about rape and defend the poor man? Like, they have a Google Search or something, and just show up uninvited on a site they've never been on before, just to say "You know, it's really unfair the rapist is being treated badly".

I mean, I've heard this happens, but wow-- heaven forbid the poor man is talked about on a hyper-local personal blog without being defended.

And for the record, Downer was way too soft on him.

"Mr. Tyson. You're a violent phsycopahtic convicted rapist piece of shit. The only reason you're in town, or talked to the mayor, is because you're whoring yourself out by talking about the 'truth' of your past. I mean, that's what it's called when you're paid to perform for other people's pleasure, just for the money, right? A whore. Anyways, I digress, you horrible person.

My point is, literally the only reason we're talking now is because you paid my bosses for a fluff promo interview, and honestly I'd rather not have my journalistic integrity raped like you raped a woman, so let's ask the real questions. You're on a tour talking about your "real" past. So how about that rape conviction, huh? I mean, you're the one who decided to do a tell-all tour, and you're the one who decided to be a leeching parasite off our buffoon of a mayor's popularity, so obviously you want the attention and you want to talk about your past. So let's talk.

How do you live with yourself being a shit-stain on society? I know it's not possible for a psychopath to feel remorse or guilt, but have you at least TRIED to make restitution, or take measures to ensure you don't rape and maim people again-- like maybe wearing a muzzle, or castration? Or you could just retire completely from public life on your blood money, and recuse yourself from society. It'd by a Pyrrhic victory for us, but at least you wouldn't be raping anyone else.

And finally, how are you enjoying your fluff, paid-for interview now? Have a nice day and get the fuck out of my studio.

September 11, 2014 @ 9:17 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Lorne

They came from reddit.com/r/wtf/.

link

September 11, 2014 @ 9:21 AM

Argie

Uh oh, Lorne's angry again.

September 11, 2014 @ 10:10 AM

this guest

If Michael Vick visited Toronto, endorsed Rob Ford,
and he was here to take part in a
celebrity 'bake off' contest
and somebody asked him if he thought that being a convicted dog
torturer might reflect badly on the person he endorsed
and he called the interviewer a 'piece of shit'
I can just imagine the rapist/ford's drug addiction/dog torturer enablers jumping
out of the woodwork

September 11, 2014 @ 11:03 AM

this guest

if charlie manson got out on parole and visited toronto and endorsed
rob ford as a 'true outlaw' mayor
and he was here to take part in a 'scarification weekend workshop'
but the interviewer asked him if he thought being a convicted
murderer would help or hurt the mayor

I can just imagine the howls of outrage

September 11, 2014 @ 11:06 AM

Philly-Bob

@ this guest - The Vick comparison is apt, but did you really just compare Tyson to Charles Manson....wow dude you just lost all credibility in this discussion.

Who's next? Hitler? what do you think would happen if we reanimated Hitler's corpse and he endorsed Ford...

September 11, 2014 @ 11:10 AM

this guest

no I did not compare charlie manson to mike tyson
try to follow the argument
the discussion is about howls of outrage about bringing up criminal convictions
in the past
the discussion is about enabling and excusing certain behaviours

September 11, 2014 @ 11:12 AM

Philly-Bob

You are still being
ridiculous in your comparisons
Mike Tyson is a turd of humanity
to be sure but
to use he and Manson in
the same argument is
a disservice to Mansons Victims

September 11, 2014 @ 11:16 AM

this guest

You either deliberately miss the point or cannot grasp it.

The point is a mayor being endorsed by a person convicted of a violent crime.
Why is it not relevant to discuss the person's criminal background.
Why is it not relevant to discuss (as the interviewer asked) whether this is truly a
helpful thing for the mayor or not.


September 11, 2014 @ 11:20 AM

Anonymous

When does the statute of limitations run out on a bad reputation?
Is rape a 'forgettable' crime?
Is dog torture a 'forgettable' crime?
Is murder a 'forgettable' crime?

Do these crimes disappear over time?
Can a convicted criminal just waltz into a political discussion (and that's what a
mayoralty race is- a discussion) and expect to be treated minus their history?

September 11, 2014 @ 11:22 AM

this guest

that was me, I forgot to type my name in.
The names I used (one black, one white) were meant to raise the questions I mentioned.

September 11, 2014 @ 11:24 AM

Anonymous

All the criminals
in their coats and their ties
are free to drink martinis
and watch the sun rise
- bob dylan, 'The Hurricane'

Drug companies knowingly sold Canadians defective drugs
U.S. inspections of Canadian drug companies reveal systemic problems that have put Canadian patients at risk.

September 11, 2014 @ 12:03 PM

Rob

That question would had been fair to ask Rob Ford.

Tyson is on a promotional tour, his time with the Mayor wasn't political but rather a publicity stunt.

September 11, 2014 @ 12:21 PM

Anonymous

Downer was trying to make a name for himself. He is what mike Tyson called him
I'm sure Downer is all nice to get mike on the show and then blindsides him a unrelated very personal attack.

September 11, 2014 @ 1:09 PM

Speysidephil

How do convicted criminals manage to get across our border?
If it was you or me you know what would happen.

September 11, 2014 @ 1:11 PM

matt

Anyone still have the working video

September 11, 2014 @ 1:34 PM

Philly-Bob

@ this guest - I'm doing neither. I understand what you are saying, I never said I thought the question was wrong. Tyson is a horrible human being, not denying it. I simply said you were reaching by bringing Manson into the conversation.

Is rape wrong, yes of course it is, I think people convicted of violent rapes should be chemically castrated (or hey even better...give the victim a knife and let them do it).

However to even have Tyson in the same conversation as Manson is beyond ridiculous. You often go to extremes with your comparisons, and I decided to call you on it this time.

I ask again, what do you think would happen if we reanimated Hitler's corpse and he endorsed Ford...cause that's the direction you are headed in by even bringing Manson into the conversation.

September 11, 2014 @ 2:32 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Speyside - it's easy...you and I aren't famous....

September 11, 2014 @ 2:32 PM

Blue

Just because a statement is phrased like a question, does not make it a real question with the expectation of a valid answer. This was a cheap shot by Downer. Regardless of Tysons past or present manners, the onus of decorum should be on the interviewer. This was very unprofessional, as further evidenced by Downers follow up and "dance around". This Downer seems to be a real hack. Even a dog can recognize a "rat piece of shit" when he sees one. Real funny thing was.....that I could hear Downers teeth chattering in his post interview tweets.

September 11, 2014 @ 3:43 PM

this guest

Philly Bob,

the only reason I thought of Charley Manson was because I wanted
to balance the argument racially.

but, hey, sure we could compare Hitler to Tyson. But maybe as we reanimate Hitler's corpse we need to change a few things. Maybe give him Judas Iscariot's liver. And Nixon's toes. And Darth Vader's helmet. Well now it's getting ridiculous.

September 11, 2014 @ 7:14 PM

Ross

It was a 'rat' question in terms of hiding behind "some of your critics would say, .... ". Also, that question should have been asked to Rob Ford's campaign & what were the possible answers even available for Tyson to give? "You're right, I think it was a poor campaign decision Nathan?"

I'm not defending Tyson's criminal past, nor would I condone such language on live TV. But knowing Tyson's past provoking him was not a great move. Not a good interview given at all by Nathan.

September 11, 2014 @ 8:01 PM

Ross

Blue, you are spot on.

September 11, 2014 @ 8:03 PM

Anonymous

With Ford sidelined, some observers have called for the two other leading candidates, John Tory and Olivia Chow, to suspend their campaigns until more is known about his condition.

Because that's how everything works. Stanley Cup games are cancelled if somebody on the other team isn't well. Tennis matches, debates, chess tournaments. That's how it works.

September 12, 2014 @ 12:32 AM

Philly-Bob

@ this guest - it got ridiculous at 11:06 am yesterday

September 12, 2014 @ 8:19 AM

this guest

It got ridiculous when Mike Tyson walked into Rob Ford's office.

September 12, 2014 @ 8:30 AM

buck fairbanks

Mike didn't rape anyone

September 12, 2014 @ 8:21 PM

Anthony

It's funny how people can say with such confidence that mike Tyson is a rapist. We do not know all the facts and everything that happened behind the scenes. This interview saddens me because here you have mike Tyson, who had a terrible childhood came from the street, uneducated lost everything he had because people took advantage of him knowing he is not the smartest person. Mike Tyson is trying to change his life promoting his show and this donner punk had to take the interview there.. We need to stop tearing each other down. Donner shame on you!!!

September 12, 2014 @ 11:07 PM

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