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Declan

Sunni rebels say they have fully captured the country's main oil refinery at Baiji, north of Baghdad.

While the worlds watches the World Cup, Iraq is falling apart.

June 24, 2014 @ 9:36 AM

Ryan G

I briefly heard a bit on Indie 88's morning show about one of the hosts hating the Beatles, which was followed by condemnation by the co hosts and Alan Cross.

No doubt the Beatles were a major force in the evolution of music, but why is it sacrilegious to say one isn't a fan? I too proudly proclaim my hatred of them. In short, their sound makes my skin crawl. Millions of people may have lost their shit over the Beatles but why must I conform to what you think is good music?

Jesus was and is popular too but I'm not drinkin' that kool-aid either.

June 24, 2014 @ 9:37 AM

BJ

speaking of the world cup, I predict Italy goes down today

June 24, 2014 @ 9:39 AM

Anonymous

@Ryan G

I'm not signing my name, but I too don't love the Beatles. I fear the condemnation for slaughtering the sacred cow.

June 24, 2014 @ 9:41 AM

this guest

Iraq fell apart a long time ago. It was called Shock and Awe.
1,000,000 dead. Bush/Cheney and almost the entire America
corporate political structure. Prior to that
Clinton's sanctions on things like medicine and water treatment
technology killed 350,000 children. Source: Unesco. Confirmed by
Madelaine Albright who said their death was 'worth it.' You can find
her sterling words on YouTube.
The depleted uranium munitions aimed and blasted has created
generations, endless generations of birth defects.
Chaos is simply what they do.

Chretien was right to stay out of it.

I love Mark Rothko. I also love the Beatles.
If somebody else doesn't it is of no concern to me.

June 24, 2014 @ 9:54 AM

Argie

@this guest
So you're blaming the current murderous campaign by Islamists to overtake the country on the US???

I can guarantee there will more than a 1,000,000 killed in the coming months and when they're done with Iraq, they're going into other countries. The only country they might stay clear of is Iran (mainly because Iran have or will soon have nuclear weapons).

The M/E has always been a mess and it continues to be a mess - except instead of blaming certain followers of "that" religion, liberals want to blame the US, Britain or Israel.

June 24, 2014 @ 10:01 AM

this guest

Saddam was a brutal dictator who kept the religious nuts under control.
Any idea that overthrowing him would usher in new episodes of 'Little House
on the Prairie' were naive.
But of course, they knew that.

I just described a 'liberal' U.S. President as part of the machinery that has reduced
Iraq to what it is today.

Thank you for mentioning Israel. What might their interests be in this region?

Well, with your prognosis Argie it's certainly appears to be a frightening situation.
Which army have you decided to join to save our 'way of life?'

June 24, 2014 @ 10:10 AM

Lorne

Re: dance recitals and videos (missed out on the discussion from previous OM). The trick is the go to the dress rehearsal. Bring cameras. Take pictures and videos. You even get multiple takes from multiple angles.

My wife and I dance, and the studio puts on a show once a year. There's the gougey video company who films the official shows (DRC video, bleh). They basically set up a camera at the back of the theatre and just park it. It's zoomed in, so the video quality is junk. They don't hook into the sound system, so the sound is crap. They are too far away to pick up sound from the stage, in things like tap routines. Really lazy and disappointing. We still end up buying the DVD for the souvenir and for family to watch, at stupid prices.

I've been tempted to just record the show myself. Except I can't babysit the camera, since I'm in the show, and I'm terrified of something going wrong and losing all the footage.

As for the cost of dancing-- well, we're lucky enough to be at a non-competition studio. Everyone is there for fun and to dance. There isn't in-fighting and backstabbing over solos and who is going to be in which routine. There isn't any drama-donnas, either in the teacher or student ranks. Costumes are explicitly capped at max $50 each for the recital; most come in well under that, since the studio owner handmakes a lot of the costumes himself. No one is being gouged for constant extra $$$ like "choreography fee".

There's also a good mix of kid, teen and adult classes-- it isn't in some studios where adult classes are a concession to a few parents, and are tossed into the ghetto corner.

I've heard some nightmare stories from friends about some studios. I don't think I could stand to be in a studio like some of the ones I've heard described. Heck, the only reason I dance is because I would hang out and socialize at the studio while my wife danced-- and eventually took ballroom lessons for the wedding-- and then parlayed the classes I had left into jazz and hip hop. (The studio runs on a punchcard system-- buy a card with 10 or 20 punches, and you can use them on any class).

I dream of a world where our kids can grow up, and never have to hear "please turn off all recording devices".

June 24, 2014 @ 10:19 AM

Lyle Lanley

The Beatles gave us some amazing music - they were a great pop band that evolved into a great rock band. So many hits and gems in one decade.

But if you don't like the, that's your perrogative. Our host loves Public Enemy and I can't stand them but that's ok. :)

June 24, 2014 @ 10:48 AM

Cheryl

Well, my trainer's wife won the last soccer game. They are now 3 and 2. I hope they win all the rest of the games. I don't like the Beatles either. A few of their songs are okay, but I just don't know what the hype is about them. Groups like the Stampeders or Trooper are a lot better and of course Bob Seger who should be the king and John Mellencamp. I got some junk mail from Bell yesterday again just when I said Bell cooled down about junk mail, they sent me more junk mail. They want me to get their stupid TV service. No thanks. I don't need TV. I don't need Bell. It's Primus forever for me. Primus always wins awards for best customer service for a reason.

June 24, 2014 @ 10:50 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Cheryl

I may not agree with your assessment that Trooper is a better band than the Beatles, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

June 24, 2014 @ 10:51 AM

Argie

I've often been involved in heated debates as to who is better, The Beatles or Trooper....

June 24, 2014 @ 10:57 AM

this guest

Egg rolls have pretty well disappeared and now
asexuals are marching under their own flag.

I'll investigate any possible link and get back to you.

June 24, 2014 @ 10:58 AM

Argie

Why isn't all bread (for toasting purposes) Texas style? IMHO once you've had thick slice, there's no going back.

June 24, 2014 @ 11:05 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

With today's no-or-low carb diet fabs, many want thinner bread.

I still eat a ton of carbs, but just this weekend a young lady asked for a hot dog with no bun!

June 24, 2014 @ 11:07 AM


Dawn Keibals

Yes, the Blue Jays won last night,and yes they are still in first place.
But, with Munenori Kawasaki,Kevin Pilar,Anthony Gose and Juan Francisco in their everyday line-up it does not take the intelligence of a fired Toronto Maple Leaf coach to figure out that they are in a heap of trouble.

June 24, 2014 @ 11:28 AM

this guest

I remember when the Beatles copied the Dave Clark 5
Who copied Gerry and the Pacemakers who copied The Stampeders
who copied Bob Seger.

June 24, 2014 @ 11:55 AM

4x4 Time

Music is not a contest. Dig the style of music you like and Bands you like and you will have no regrets. There is enough choice for everyone.

June 24, 2014 @ 12:27 PM

Jacob

One of the Indie 88 morning hosts proudly claimed to have never seen any of the Star Wars movies, either.

That's probably when I stopped taking that show seriously.

June 24, 2014 @ 12:33 PM

Glen

The opposition to the Northern Gateway pipeline in British Columbia by First Nation leaders isn't just about the environment. They oppose the pipeline because they are afraid of losing power. Not to the oil companies but to their own people. Many reserves in Canada have unemployment rates of 85% and the living conditions are terrible. The oil pipeline being proposed will give opportunities to young native people that don't currently exist on reserves. Native men and women won't have to live in these isolated areas of Canada when the suburbs of Surrey and Vancouver beckon with good schools and hospitals. Earning 6 figure incomes building that pipeline they'll be able buy their own homes which they can't currently do. Life on reserves is almost entirely controlled by band chiefs including housing. They won't have to pay $12 for carton of milk at the only general store in the area (also owned by the band council) when Safeway and Sobeys furiously compete for their business. Their children won't have the highest suicide rates in the world. Instead they'll skateboard down tree line streets, play soccer on freshly mowed parks, eat greasy pizza at the mall with their girlfriends, and go swimming on hot July days at the community swimming pool just like our children and grandchildren do right now. Or if they do experience problems of drug or alcohol problems there are social services in these communities to help them. The thought of native people being masters of their own destiny terrifies band chiefs. They can't control them anymore. The fantasy told to young people that they should follow the traditional way of life of hunting and trapping will be met with derision. Enbridge needs chemical engineers to work in Vancouver. Who wants to work a trapline when you have season tickets to the Canucks?
Remember something. If the Northern Gateway pipeline isn't built the First Nations Chiefs will still have jobs. Their own people won't. And Neil Young will still be counting his millions in California too.
I wonder if natural gas would be allowed in residential neighborhoods if their was this kind of opposition to pipelines back then. Think about it. At this very moment a highly explosive and toxic fuel is continuously being piped into your home and your making a pot of tea with it. Run!!!

June 24, 2014 @ 1:55 PM

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@Glen,
The First Nations in B.C. are much farther along in terms of organization and opportunity than many in the other provinces.
They are educated, political and principled in their beliefs and their actions.
And this is fortunate in many ways, the least of which is their willingness to refuse the Northern Gateway Project with one strong voice.
What you envision for them as the good life (skateboarding, eating pizza, etc.), clearly shows your cultural bias, limiting your understanding of the First Nations on this and many other issues facing the first peoples of this country.

If you think the pipeline is a good idea, fine, you are entitled to your opinion, just don't scapegoat our native friends.
.

June 24, 2014 @ 2:19 PM

Speysidephil

@glen
The most rational, honest and sensible post I have seen here in a long long time.
Well done Glen.

June 24, 2014 @ 2:44 PM

DUTCH

Happened to throw 102.1 on Sunday afternoon. I haven't listened much lately since DB got canned, driving around the city in the morning as is what I do he was a douche but made me laugh. Being in my 50's 102.1 was a huge influence and a go to station for great indie/alternative. This spirit of the edge show on Sundays has renewed my spirit that there may be hope for this station after all. Scot Turner and all the rest of the crew through the 80's and 90's bring great memories! Keep it up!

P.S. I never liked the Beatles either

P.S.S. HUP ORANJE!!!!

June 24, 2014 @ 3:17 PM

this guest

pipelines/ lac megantic
lactating
poison pipes
the canadian dream?

June 24, 2014 @ 4:37 PM

dale

Am I the only 1 who loves the Beatles? Even my parents in the 60's liked them & they were in their early 40's.

I agree that music is so different with bands we all have a choice.

One thing worth noting is that the Beatles started the British invasion in the 60's. I love the Beatles, but hate the Rolling Stones (except for 4 or 5 songs).

LET IT BE your choice.

June 24, 2014 @ 6:22 PM

Wow

You are clueless Glenn.

June 24, 2014 @ 6:50 PM

Sammi

@ Dale

I think it is one of those cool, hipster things to say that someone does not like The Beatles.

June 24, 2014 @ 6:55 PM

Glen

@Nigel


If there are natural resources on First Nations lands I want them to exploit it, use it,and sell it to the highest bidder. I want young native people to drive F1 pick-up trucks and have huge swimming pools in their backyards where my kids and their kids can play marco polo together.
First Nations leaders don't want that future for their own people.
I don't know why.

June 24, 2014 @ 7:00 PM

this guest

we can all drink diet cola together in a brave new world
feeding totem poles into the chipper making toothpicks
for sale at market rates

June 24, 2014 @ 7:12 PM


Tim

If you want to see why this province is in dire starights all you have to do is work at a school. Around this time of year schools go on a huge buying frenzy, whether they need anything or not. My school just bought all new computers. The old ones are fine. I know of brand new carpet being replaced by brand new carpet. If Hudak has said he was going to cut waste but keep jobs he would be wearing the crown right now. Another thing that makes me ill is the amount of brand new clothes being left by students in lost and found. Students carelessly leave all sorts of items and there loving parents just buy them new ones. I gather them up and donate them to an elderly lady who sends them up north to native community. Waste sickens me!!!!!!!

June 25, 2014 @ 5:56 AM

Cheryl

I have that Trooper song already. Raise a Little Hell was one of their big hits. Yes, Trooper are better than the Beatles. There are a couple songs by the Rolling Stones I like, but not the new stuff when they did Emotional Rescue and the guy's voice went really high, no way.

June 25, 2014 @ 7:46 AM

Philly-Bob

What?!?!? You don't like the Beatles? How stupid do you....just kidding.

Truth be told, I both love and hate the Beatles. I can not stand their early "love me do" pop stuff. However, their later work was pure brilliance in my opinion.

However, I can not fathom how you put the Beatles and Trooper in the same sentence other than to say they both play music...

Buuut..like Mike said Cheryl...I'll defend to the death your right to an opinion...bat shit crazy though it may seem

June 25, 2014 @ 9:41 AM

Philly-Bob

What?!?!? You don't like the Beatles? How stupid do you....just kidding.

Truth be told, I both love and hate the Beatles. I can not stand their early "love me do" pop stuff. However, their later work was pure brilliance in my opinion.

However, I can not fathom how you put the Beatles and Trooper in the same sentence other than to say they both play music...

Buuut..like Mike said Cheryl...I'll defend to the death your right to an opinion...bat shit crazy though it may seem

June 25, 2014 @ 9:41 AM

Philly-Bob

John Lennon > John Mellencamp

June 25, 2014 @ 9:42 AM

Anonymous

Slight correction regarding the Beatles discussion: it's fine not to like them, the Indie88 host got taken to task by Cross for describing them as over-rated. He went on at great length and detail describing their innovative approaches to music and why The Beatles mattered.

As for Trooper... ahhhh now that brings back some sweet memories of some fairly ridiculous characters and good times from way back. Time to get out the jean jacket and turn it to 11.

June 25, 2014 @ 10:48 AM

Douglas

It proves the point of why CanCon "worked" or "works", but I am pretty sure we would not have heard much, if any at all, of the Stampeders, never mind Trooper (how quickly can one change the station from Q107 when one of their songs comes on - always a challenge).

June 25, 2014 @ 11:09 AM

McNulty

I think the difference is saying "I don't care for the Beatles" vs "The Beatles were a terrible band."

One of them is opinion and the other is factually incorrect.

My friend once said that Meryl Streep couldn't act. He says that because he doesn't care for her but to claim she can't act is asinine.

June 25, 2014 @ 11:33 AM

this guest

watched magical mystery tour on youtube
the other day
ha
the idea of a low res home movie look
released on television with dark and surreal themes
for the general public -
obviously nobody is going to twig into it -
only the Beatles could have pulled that off

p.s. also for those who want to know where the name 'death cab cutie'
comes from

June 25, 2014 @ 11:57 AM

CQ

Maybe the Beatles were better post-Beatles than as a band? Those last couple of group albums sounded like aborted demo clips.
Even in this decade, McCartney and Starr are going very strong. Starr just performed in the Buffalo, New York area earlier this week. Both the Lennon half-sibling sons have new albums recently, too.

June 25, 2014 @ 1:17 PM

markosaar

We last discussed the Beatles being overrated in April. I came to them rather late, but I think Revolver is fucking fantastic and holds up against modern music extremely well. There's great merit in all their music, even the jangly pop harmonies. Just might not fit our pessimistic moods and culture these days.

June 25, 2014 @ 5:25 PM

Mike from Lowville

I watched the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show the first time around. I think most people that don't like the Beatles were not around then or too young to remember. Just a wild guess.

June 25, 2014 @ 5:58 PM

dale

Sgt. Pepper was the album (along with Pet Sounds by Beach Boys) in 1967/8 that changed the music culture forever. 2nd best album of all time for me next to The Wall.

Pure Genius

June 25, 2014 @ 6:49 PM

markosaar

@Mike from Lowville,

I think it was just "mom and dad music" for a lot of people of a slightly earlier generation. I think they're awesome, and all I was subjected to was Cloud Nine by George Harrison as a kid. Maybe a little bit of Octopus's Garden and Julian Lennon singing Yellow Submarine.

June 25, 2014 @ 7:02 PM

this guest

Just listened to The Beatles
'(I Want You) She's So Heavy'
so many brilliant songs
add to that their humour & storytelling
and how they transformed at the speed
of light during their career
passing through phase after musical phase
always growing as so many great artists: in their case
collective.

June 25, 2014 @ 7:14 PM

Jason from Sudbury

I'm not much of a Beatles fan. I don't mind about 5 or 6 of their songs, but that's about it.

June 25, 2014 @ 7:23 PM

Argie

Rubber Soul, Sgt Popper & Revolver are consistently placed in the top 10 albums of all time by most music critics. Then again, taste is always personal so if those 3 albums don't turn your crank, so be it.

June 25, 2014 @ 8:05 PM

Speysidephil

If you don't or didn't like Rubber Soul, Sgt. Pepper, or Revolver, then I'm sorry but you don't have a crank!

June 25, 2014 @ 9:50 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@DUTCH: I must have got the same show you did. First time I listened, as I am not usually in my car for a Sunday, but took my Mustang convertible out for an afternoon tour along the Welland canal and through Niagara on the Lake and listened. I will be tuning back for sure.

@Tim: You should see the medical supply business in march at the end of the Hospital/Public Health budget. We call it March madness, as departments seem to find money stuffed in the sofa they need to get off their books. Not a fan of Rob Ford or his slogans but his "the city has a spending problem" mantra works for other levels also.

Lastly, why do Politicians (in this case Denzel Minnan Wong) always bring forward the possibility of renaming Union Station after Sir John A Macdonald? Being a Scot i love what he accomplished for Canada in it's infancy, but a landmark such as this should remain as it has been named for almost a century. I heard a compromise of naming a garden at Union has been proposed to honour him, a much better idea.
The liberals had to try and entrench one of their leaders legacy and erase the Toronto International Airport with Lester B Pearson's name. Funny most people of my era (+50) seem to still call it the Toronto Airport.

June 25, 2014 @ 9:50 PM

this guest

@ Argie and Speysidephil

This is fascinating. Here we are
so many years after the Model T,
which none of us recall seeing regularly on the streets,
and yet still the phrase 'turning the crank' exists.

Argie applies 'turning the crank' to the Beatles...
referenced by Speysidephil:
Cultural phenomena (Beatles) and industry phenomena (Model T Fords)
crossreferenced across time.

If I was a linguistics professor or a language theories
I'd write a paper about this.


June 26, 2014 @ 11:57 AM

this guest

meant to say

language theorist

June 26, 2014 @ 11:58 AM

519 Rob

I'll throw my cents in to the Beatle conversation.
Love the back half of their work, like the first half.

I don't understand those that 'hate' them. I can get that you're not a fan, or perhaps its just that they're overplayed, and you've heard it all a thousand times.
But they're the most important musical act in the last 100 years.


June 26, 2014 @ 1:01 PM

Cheryl

Well, I don't really hate the Beatles, but not a fan of them. Oh yes, the Beach Boys. Not a fan either. I hate it when that guy goes up really high. Trooper and the Stampeders are great.

June 26, 2014 @ 6:06 PM

this guest

Listening to Vivaldi - Four Seasons
today
at the 36 minute mark
(I might not have thought this except for this
discussion)
I swear I heard sounds that passed down into
'All My Loving'

And that turned my crank.
Vivaldi - Model T - The Beatles

June 26, 2014 @ 6:13 PM

James Edgar

Very late to the conversation but .. giving someone grief because they don't like the Beatles is like giving someone a hassle for not liking steak. Pointless and nobodies business but there's.

As for me I love them from pretty much their whole career they wrote amazing songs that were way out in front of everybody. And that have influenced virtually every artist since.

I was lucky enough to 3 older sisters who passed on a bunch of Beatles 45's and the Stones first album when i was about 5. I got the best of both worlds and I'm a fan of both.

But a good as the stones were they were not in the same league as the Beatles. They were far more influenced than an influence.

The influence is why some people are upset at the thought that people don't like them. And it's still pointless to me.

June 30, 2014 @ 9:25 AM

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