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James Edgar

OMFG I'm first! Do I win some sort of prize????

May 6, 2014 @ 9:21 AM

James Edgar

On a more important note today is pick up my bike from a friends in Vaughan day. I have been working on a few things and it's finally ready to ride.

I feel like an addict waiting for his next hit of whatever!!!

May 6, 2014 @ 9:23 AM

Philly-Bob

@ James - You win the much valued "No Prize" that Stan Lee used to give away in the letters section of Spider Man Comics.

May 6, 2014 @ 9:23 AM

Liz

This morning's playlist:

Blue Moon - Beck
Harder Than Stone - City and Colour
Time - The Mowgli's
Don't Look Back in Anger - Oasis
Them Kids - Sam Roberts
Human Heat - Sam Roberts Band
Trojans - Atlas Genius
Big Parade - The Lumineers
King and Lionheart - Of Monsters and Men
Wagon Wheel - Old Crow Medicine Show
Fever - The Black Keys
The Grand Optimist - City and Colour
Bridge to Nowhere - Sam Roberts
Mountain Sound - Of Monsters and Men
The a Team - Ed Sheeran
Ho Hey - The Lumineers
Let Her Go (Acoustic) - Passenger

I have a lot of content to create this morning. Tunes will help.

May 6, 2014 @ 9:37 AM

this guest

Came across this earlier today:
“We cannot change anything
until we accept it.
Condemnation does not liberate,
it oppresses.”
~ Carl Jung

With this in mind today is a day of being 'mute'
concerning out mayor currently 'whereabouts unknown'
except to say that I"m quite sure orders came from
on high to disappear and not blow it for Tim 'Common
Sense Revolution' Hudak.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:07 AM

Detlef

My ears cannot handle hearing The Lumineers Ho Hey again.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:14 AM

Philly-Bob

@ This Guest - There was an article this morning saying Farley got turned away at the US border. Later The Canadian Consulate in Chicago said "He voluntarily retracted his request to enter the US"

they tried to send him to rehab and he said no no no.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:18 AM

Nigel Trousershrapnel

"Condemnation without investigation, is the height of ignorance" ~ Albert Einstein

May 6, 2014 @ 10:21 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Nigel Trousershrapnel

No condemnation, just warranted distrust.

We know he's not in the USA. Otherwise, we don't know where he is or what time of treatment he's getting. We do know he and his brother are notorious liars and that lying liars lie.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:24 AM

Anonymous

ah Nigel ever the gracious a-hole. you are so much more intelligent and superior to us all.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:24 AM

this guest

Einstein's quotes/thoughts about imagination and creativity
show a childlike sense of wonder along with
a brilliant scientific mind.
Both rational and non-linear.
Fascinating confluence of thought processes.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:25 AM

this guest

Well then
Einstein would be quite pleased with the ongoing
investigations
that have occurred in our fair city.
We certainly have investigated and investigated again
and investigated even more haven't we. :- )

May 6, 2014 @ 10:29 AM

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@anon,
Sorry, I thought we were doing condemnation quotes.
And yes, yes I am a gracious a-hole, but only more intelligent and superior to some (mostly those anonymous yobs who take the bait).

May 6, 2014 @ 10:32 AM

this guest

"Both physics and detective work are a study of
all things invisible that become visible over time...
and conversely, things visible that become invisible."

- Albert Einstein

(I just invented that quote. well, this is the internet.)

May 6, 2014 @ 10:35 AM

Argie

I've noticed the Wynne and Horvath supporters are trying to portray Hudak as the second coming of Mike Harris (the greatest Premier this province has ever seen). What a complete joke - if only it were true.

Hudak is much more like Tory or Harper (a conservative in name only). He's only oppressive to PCs who don't tow his politically correct fiscally conservative, socially liberal agenda.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:42 AM

this guest

Nigel Trousershrapnel
sounds like a name/caricature John Lennon might have come up with
in his writings.
Very British, wordplay ish.

May 6, 2014 @ 10:42 AM

this guest

Mike Harris was born premature?

May 6, 2014 @ 10:43 AM

this guest

oh sorry
you said premier

May 6, 2014 @ 10:44 AM

Argie

This is not about left or right but just about greedy school trustees at the trough. They're no better than those senators.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/06/robyn-urback-tdsb-trustee-audit-reveals-some-adults-still-dont-know-about-roaming-fees/

May 6, 2014 @ 11:07 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Argie - They call him the second coming of Harris like that's a bad thing. I'm with you, it would be nice if it was true. At this point, Hudak is just the best option we have.

May 6, 2014 @ 11:18 AM

joel

Anyone else feel that 5 TSN channels is unnecessary?

May 6, 2014 @ 11:33 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie and Philly Bob; I think people need to get off the austerity measures trip. Or hard line stance to finances. Everyday there is mounting proof that such measures actually inhibit economies and have further reaching waves after. I agree we need to trim things down and that there is always room for improvement. the same can be said for any business or government operation there is waste everywhere. We pay for that waste through taxes or through rising cost of goods.

I certainly don't think we need Harris back, unless we want to buy some digging equipment start a subway line and then decide to fill it in and sell the equipment. Or perhaps we could build another toll highway and sell it to a Spanish firm. Those were all stellar money saving initiatives. They haven't hurt Ontarians in the long run either.

I don't endorse the Ontario liberals but there is nothing about Hudak that screams he is the best option we have.

May 6, 2014 @ 11:46 AM

CQ

@Ben Vidal
Most people have no idea of what real Austerity is. (Hey, I used to be one of these people.) I say that our "Conservatives" are as fiscally irresponsible as Liberals and the NDP - just in a different approach.
I'd love to meet any 'too often jowly(?)' official Conservative who's ever HAD TO skip a meal - day after day and perhaps for years after years.
I got a call from someone claiming to be from a Toronto PC campaign. Holy amateur hour!

May 6, 2014 @ 11:59 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Ben - Better than throwing billions away on Orgne, and cancelling two power plants in order to buy votes in an election.

Oh and lets not forget that they knew what they were doing was wrong/illegal at the time, hence why all the emails were deleted.

May 6, 2014 @ 12:24 PM

this guest

whoever is closest to Starhawk's (born Miriam Simos on June 17, 1951)
ecological position
gets my vote.

May 6, 2014 @ 12:42 PM

Oscar

Is anyone else enjoying the jabs from humble and fred at Blundell? Has anyone tried to listen to blundell's podcast? I find it terrible, but I'm interested to hear other's unbiased opinions...

May 6, 2014 @ 12:48 PM

this guest

just curious about city employment rules

if that guy sleeping on the job in the community centre
announced he was going into rehab for 30 days and
then was turned back at Chicago and
disappeared without telling anyone where he was would
his job be held for him?

May 6, 2014 @ 3:10 PM

Argie

Is it me or is 'this guest' obsessing about Ford?

May 6, 2014 @ 3:15 PM

this guest

I was actually thinking about what CQ said above. Who knows what
austerity is.
In the same way
Who knows what a health issue is. And do the same rules
get applied evenly. Would the guy at the community centre be allowed
to handle addiction/mental health issues very loosely without losing his job.
say he was sleeping because he was depressed.

May 6, 2014 @ 3:23 PM

Jillian

I've listened to 2 of Blundell's podcasts but I have to admit I didn't make it all the way through either of them. Same guests he had on his morning show, same stories and not very interesting (or funny).
It sounds like he's sitting in his basement, interviewing his friends.

May 6, 2014 @ 3:30 PM

Argie

...yeah....its just me.

May 6, 2014 @ 3:40 PM

Lorne

Here's why Hudak won't win. Given: he wrote most of Mike Harris' policies, and is still trying to run with them those policies were extremely hostile to doctors, nurses, auto workers, teachers. He's been extremely vocal about bringing in "American style" labor laws, which will extend his hostility to include pretty much every public sector worker, including police, fire, etc.

An incomplete list of estimated numbers:
Number of doctors in Ontario: 6.6k
Number of nurses: 105.3k
Number of teachers: 4.9k (public)
CAW members: 190k
Police: 26.4k
Firefighters: 30.3k (full-time and volunteer)
CUPE members: 600k
Total: 963.5k

Number of eligible voters in Ontario: 8.8M, last election 49.2% turnout = ~4.3 million

So right off the bat, he's alienated about 1/8 of the population of the province. And that doesn't count those people's friends, family, or anyone sympathetic to their professions.

It doesn't count the vast number of other Canadians who don't want American style labor laws.

Factor in that people are more likely to turn out to an election if their job is at risk vs. happy with status quo... and that Hudak still has a month to shoot his party in the foot John Tory style, and there's is no way the Conservatives will take election.

If Wynne is smart and plays hard the card of "yes, the Liberals fucked up but noticed we fired everyone who did and this is whole new party doing what you you", they may MAY be able to prevent a NDP minority. I'm sure the gambit she's playing right now is to try to get a Liberal majority. I doubt it.

May 6, 2014 @ 4:23 PM

Cheryl

Well, I don't know any of those groups in that long playlist. I really don't. Anyway, I'm listening to lots of Bob Seger. It's his birthday for heaven sake. Nobody is wishing Bob Seger a happy birthday. Anyway, Habs will win tonight. I said this series will go seven games. They'll all be close though. The Habs will win the series in the end, but it will be close.

May 6, 2014 @ 4:50 PM

Liz

@Cheryl

Eff Seger and eff the Habs.

May 6, 2014 @ 5:10 PM

this guest

Okay.
Happy Birthday Bob Seger.

:-)

May 6, 2014 @ 5:18 PM

Glen

I saw former Liberal MP Bob Rae blame Mike Harris for the transit problems in Toronto on Twitter last week.

That's funny because I didn't know Harris was Premier these last 12 years. But he does bring up a very important issue that hasn't been addressed by any of the candidates in this campaign.


Where was Mike Harris when John F. Kennedy was assassinated?


I want answers.

May 6, 2014 @ 5:23 PM

this guest

downloading provincial funding expenditures to the newly
amalgamated city including transit was a huge loss of income
for the ttc which it has somewhat recovered from but instead
of keeping pace it has played catch up.
that's what rae is talking about.


May 6, 2014 @ 5:39 PM

dale

@ everyone

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A $3 donation gets a hot dog or hamburger a drink & bag of chips with ALL being donated to this worthy cause which M&M has done for many years.

My wife has Crohn's disease & very debilitating with attacks frequent. She had surgery last May to remove part of small intestine where the inflammation was & off work for 3 weeks & unable to eat solid food for 4 weeks. She's better now but still has less frequent attacks which keeps her in bed for 1-2 days.

Please support this worth cause.

Thanks,

Dale

May 6, 2014 @ 6:33 PM

markosaar

@Glen & this guest,

Harris was also complicit in having the Eglinton subway dig filled in and having the subway be built on Sheppard instead. This was insane insofar as efficiency is concerned (Sheppard doesn't have nearly the density necessary), and has been a massive burden on the TTC's budget.

Yes, Mel Lastman spearheaded this, but the provincial government had to approve it.

This is another example to me of "conservatives" being a penny wise and a pound foolish, and Rob Ford (and Stintz and Wynne) are all doing it over again with Scarborough.

May 6, 2014 @ 6:53 PM

markosaar

@Argie,

I feel like this school trustee thing has been a problem along similar lines since I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. The calibre of person that runs for these kinds of offices... I just don't know what to do.

May 6, 2014 @ 6:55 PM

Liz

@Glen

I love you.

@Dale

You already know I love you.

@Cheryl

well...

May 6, 2014 @ 7:49 PM

Long Memory

Glen, I don't like Rae at all but he has a point. Harris cancelled the subway plan when he was premier. Had we stayed on course we wouldn't have problems which are now becoming insurmountable.

May 6, 2014 @ 7:59 PM

Gary

I have noticed that Q107 has pulled back a bit and playing more of what they used to. I liked the change.

May 7, 2014 @ 7:39 AM

McNulty

Transit planning goes back a lot further than 11 years. Harris has some responsibility with the state we are in now.

Apparently there is a new style rehab facility where you can call people all day and night and try and run a campaign for re-election. But I am sure I am either insensitive or obsessed.

May 7, 2014 @ 7:59 AM

Ben Vidal

If there was any worry ford wasnt going to take rehab seriously it was put to rest with his latest interview. Last time I checked the first week without substances makes you irritable and has you go through withdrawl.

On a lighter note he blames all his stupid actions on alcohal as it makes you do stupid things. Another excellent example of him never taking responsibility for anything.

May 7, 2014 @ 8:04 AM

this guest

apparently
one of the side effects of 'drinking' too much
is wanting to close
children's programs in libraries

does rehab include story time?

May 7, 2014 @ 8:11 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Lorne - I guess it comes down to what you're looking for out of labour laws. I for one think all the unions could use being taken down a peg. When are we going to abandon this archaic form of labour management. Unions were vitally important 60 years ago...nowadays all they do is protect the jobs of lazy people with a sense of entitlement.

You want job security...do your fucking job properly! I've been working for the same company for 5 years, I have gotten raises and promotions because I earned them.

Harris at least had the balls to take on these people....

May 7, 2014 @ 8:17 AM

Anonymous

So what about your raises and promotions. Is that supposed to be an analysis of economics? Or an understanding of how people lose their footing in the middle class.

May 7, 2014 @ 8:24 AM

Philly-Bob

@ McNulty - You are neither. I'd love to go to one of those new fangled rehab centres you were talking about....I wonder if he's allowed a day pass to go drink...er campaign...

May 7, 2014 @ 8:25 AM

Argie

@McNulty
No, you don't seem as obsessed as our friend 'this guest'. You haven't written 30 posts on Ford within the past 24 hrs.

May 7, 2014 @ 8:48 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Anonymous - Neither, it's an understanding of how showing up to your job to actually WORK and not just expect the world to hand you everything on a silver platter will result in success.

I decided 5 years ago to make a major shift in my career (from Restaurant Management to Sales) and as a result of working my ass off, I am now a supervisor. If I had been in a union, all I'd need to do to reach this level is continue to show up every day and eventually I'll have enough hours to warrant a promotion..with no thought to being qualified/deserving or not.

May 7, 2014 @ 8:54 AM

Tim

Can we not just leave Rob Ford alone. Let the man deal with his demons and get better. Not for the citty but for his family. He has kids and they need thier Dad healthy

May 7, 2014 @ 8:58 AM

McNulty

@ Tim

Rob Ford would have been left alone but he decided to make phone calls and take calls from reporters while allegedly in rehab. He's campaigning. He can't have it both ways.

@ Philly

The argument that unions are past their prime is a little false. While they do protect some lazy workers and their heads usually sound like complete idiots, they do protect workers from wrongful dismissal. I have seen many people terminated or "laid off" for no other reason than to re-hire less qualified people for less money. Look at that Tempory Work Program. It's a disaster. A union would have prevented it.
I am not a huge fan of unions and I think they fight for some really stupid things but the average worker does need some protection from BS firing methods. It isn't always about doing the best job.

May 7, 2014 @ 9:16 AM

Philly-Bob

@ McNulty- I hear you, I really do. But I just can't reconcile the good that comes from union's with the bad. I personally feel they cost us more as a society (and not just in dollars) than the gains they bring. When I see some of the pathetic excuses for teaches at my sons school, who I know will retire at 55 with a 60k+ per year pension, plus be able to cash in all their unused "sick days", or when a garbage collector makes more that someone with a college/university education...I just can't support that.

When I was in school I was told "do your best and get good grades...you don't want to be a garbage man do you??"

...it ain't such a bad gig anymore now is it?

May 7, 2014 @ 9:26 AM

McNulty

The issue with a useless teacher isn’t necessarily a union thing than an institution thing. Without the union, I doubt we would see much change. But the sick day thing has been cancelled. It was stupid and they complained but it is over with.

As for the garbage man making more than a university educated person. Then get a job doing garbage. What should they get paid? Because you deem it a job that is beneath you, they should be paid nothing?

May 7, 2014 @ 9:37 AM

Ben Vidal

Again with hyperbole Philly-Bob. I'd like to know the union where 5 years of service automatically makes anyone in that union a supervisor. You can' spit out things like that and have it stick to the wall.

McNulty is correct a useless teacher isn't a union thing it's an institution thing. On the flip side of the coin if you had to deal with the shit teachers have to deal with now a days you'd spend more time dealing with bureaucracy then you would be able to do teach. Also lets make sure we know how teachers get their pensions. They aren't guaranteed 60k a year. They pay heavily into their pension, it isn't just given to them. It's also not 60K a year at 55 so I don't know where you pulled that number out of. I agree with you on not being able to bank sick days, but that isn't the unions fault that's past governments faults.

I also think it's disingenuous to state that if everyone worked hard they could be a sales supervisor and rise to the top of this world. It's simply not possibly and to think so would almost make you seem a little bit socialist perhaps even communist to state so. I applaud your hard fought battle to rise through the ranks, but that isn't possible for everyone. There still has to be garbage collectors at the end of the day.

Please take a look at states where they brought in right to work legislation and busted up unions. Then compare these states to ones where they have good unions and an improved minimum wage. The difference in quality of life is altogether night and day. Busting up unions decreases wages across the board, enables firing at random, and creates a populace only able to shop at Walmart or dollar stores. Yes there are lazy people in unions, but there are lazy people in private business'. You can't tell me there isn't anyone in your office with some sort of higher rank that isn't effing the dog all day. That type of behavior is rampant everywhere.

The idea of knocking unions down a peg is nice, but perhaps starting at the top of big business' would be better. Target CEO resigns/fired after the biggest data breach in US history and a miserable launch in Canada. His payout roughly 30 million dollars. Would you get that in a low paying job or even in a union no.

McNulty had it right at the end if you are envious of what other people get for seemingly doing nothing more than collect garbage, then how about you get a job doing that.

May 7, 2014 @ 10:08 AM

Argie

@McNulty
The marketplace usually determines how you'll get paid in your chosen profession. Unforuntaltey public and private unions throw that compeltley off. The result is that its vertually impossible for that Univ grad to be a garbage man (as you suggested) unless he has a relative working for the city.

The opposite is true for the profession of personal support workers (looking after the sick, aged). The pay is crap, the job is tough and as a result we cant find enough of these workers. In my world, they would be paid much more and the uneducated garbage man would be paid much less.

I always kills me when teachers complain about how difficult they have it. If that's the case, why do we have so many people wanting to be teachers???

May 7, 2014 @ 10:24 AM

McNulty

@ Argie

Not all union jobs and city jobs are given through nepotism. I won't say it doesn't exist but I think it is a family tradition. Just like cops, teachers and construction. You go with what you know.
The City of Toronto collectors make about $25/hr or $50 0000 a year. Is that really unreasonable?
The PSWs are underpaid...I think there was proposed budget that increased their minimum pay recently...who suggested that? Hmmmm

May 7, 2014 @ 10:44 AM

Cheryl

Well, at least a couple others said happy birthday to Bob Seger. Hopefully he had a good one and he is the king, not Elvis. Well, how about those Habs. I told you they would win. They'll do it again on Saturday. There are four more games left. The Bruins will win tomorrow night to tie the series. The Habs win on Saturday, The Bruins on Monday to tie it and the Habs on Wednesday to win it. The Rangers are in a bit of trouble though. I was hoping they would play my Habs in the next round, but looks like it will be my hated Pens. Oh well, as I said, the Habs are cup bound. They win the cup in the end.

May 7, 2014 @ 10:55 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

It's rather frustrating how well the Habs are playing.

They could win the east. Fortunately, LA or Chicago will make short work of them in the finals.

May 7, 2014 @ 10:57 AM

Argie

@Mike
When your stars play their best, you win. Price and Subban have been great.

May 7, 2014 @ 11:10 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

As much as I hate the Habs, it's difficult to hate Subban. He's just awesome.

May 7, 2014 @ 11:11 AM

this guest

Teachers work their asses off. I have first hand experience of seeing this
in action. Unbelievable what is expected of them. And they are up against:
Mass media undercutting every idea of knowledge held dear for centuries, public ignorance (aided and abetted by those who want an ignorant citizenry), and the clock.


May 7, 2014 @ 11:14 AM

Philly-Bob

Subban is awesome, but that organization has treated him like shit...here's hoping he signs somewhere else (there's a nice big Dion Pahneuf sized hole in our defence core)

May 7, 2014 @ 11:15 AM

this guest

hopefully we can get rid of the unions and go back to 7 day workweeks with children slaving away beside us.

May 7, 2014 @ 11:16 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I like Subban so much I drafted him in my playoff pool.

Fun fact: He went to the same primary school as my kids, and his picture is on the wall.

p.s. He'll re-up with Montreal. He's happy there.

May 7, 2014 @ 11:18 AM

Argie

If the "amazing" Phaneuf rec'd 7 mil a year, what the hell can Subban expect from the Habs? 8 or 9 million?

May 7, 2014 @ 11:25 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

As I understand, you can't pay one player more than 20% of the upper salary cap limit, so Subban will get that (or very close to it).

May 7, 2014 @ 11:34 AM

Philly-Bob

@ This guest - That's why I said unions were vitally important 60 years ago when the government was not preventing such horrible atrocities as child labour.

In 2014 are you seriously concerned that Canada is going to regress and start allowing that again?

May 7, 2014 @ 11:39 AM

this guest

to think we could go backwards regarding labour regulations is as crazy as thinking multinational corporations would lock workers in the developing world in factories that burn to the ground.

May 7, 2014 @ 11:42 AM

Anonymous

Philly Bob you can't address some comments made above by others before Hockey talk? Or do you choose to overlook them?

May 7, 2014 @ 11:47 AM

this guest

philly bob

just caught a phrase of yours I must address before not
thinking about the world before the rest of the day

many workers DIED in labour protests
so that govt would act on child labour etc.
govt/corporations did nothing out of the goodness of their
heart
strikes
saved children. militancy saved children
not 'govt.'

May 7, 2014 @ 11:56 AM

Argie

@this guest
Coal minors: Yes, they need a union

Admin worker in a govt office sitting in this comfy seat with 2 coffee breaks a day and a dozen paid for "sick" days: Not so much

May 7, 2014 @ 12:05 PM

James Edgar

The Habs :( Not that I like Boston but really the Habs?

I find the the Union Vs Nonunion conversation Hilarious. Always filled with such amusing hyperbole . From both sides.

The truth usually lies somewhere between. Where can depend on the weather time of day and what kind of drive to work the employee in question had. I work with both Union and Nonunion some suck,some don't.

BTW garbage men don't usually last on the job. The have high incidence of back problems and other job related health issues. And just like McDonalds and tim hortons in alberta Nobody seriously wants to be one. So they have to pay better just to get people. Very supply and demand free market no?

May 7, 2014 @ 12:18 PM

Ben Vidal

@ James edgar : You are correct. I'm not pro union going to rallys and endorsing everything they do. I just think the all or nothing attitude has to stop. I also agree about working with non-union and union people, some are great some are assholes. Biggest difference is how people react to them when someone is deemed an asshole.

When a union guy is a dick people say" Oh another typical union asshole, he'd have nothing without that union protecting him" vs when a non unionized person is a dick "that guy is an effing asshole. He'd never have this job if it wasn't for his father or how did an asshole like that who does nothing get that job"

May 7, 2014 @ 12:31 PM

this guest

yes well meaning people probably discover the truth
lies somewhere in between dramatic opposites


May 7, 2014 @ 12:36 PM

this guest

had a job once for 14 years, not high paying, worked very hard-
the position was essentially eliminated through, uh, 'cutbacks'
thank god unionization had happened two years earlier
severance kept me going for a year
no union and there would have been no severance
'don't let the door hit you on the way out'

May 7, 2014 @ 12:39 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Anonymous - What did I overlook?

May 7, 2014 @ 1:03 PM

Anonymous

McNulty and Ben Vidal

May 7, 2014 @ 1:08 PM

Philly-Bob

I replied to McNulty's comments.

And Ben...well Ben accuses me of Hyperboyle every time I disagree with him. Unfortunately Ben is as far left as Fox news is right. So, as much as I enjoy Ben's posts when he is being humorous (no sarcasm there, I really do) when it comes to politics, Ben can't see past the partisanism, and I am a centrist, so I just can't be bothered.

Oh, and Anonymous...probably best to not comment on other peoples etiquette here when you don't even bother to put a name....

May 7, 2014 @ 1:24 PM

markosaar
And Ben...well Ben accuses me of Hyperboyle every time I disagree with him. Unfortunately Ben is as far left as Fox news is right.

This is hysterical. Bravo!

May 7, 2014 @ 1:29 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mark - how do you get that nifty quotation mark in the background when you copy my text?

May 7, 2014 @ 1:55 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

My CSS adds the quotation mark when you use the blockquote element.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockquote_element

May 7, 2014 @ 2:01 PM

markosaar

The comments support basic HTML, so the syntax is:

<blockquote>Quoted text here</blockquote>

May 7, 2014 @ 2:01 PM

Philly-Bob

SO in theory this should work

there should be quotation marks behind this now
May 7, 2014 @ 2:03 PM

Philly-Bob

Holy Shit!!!

K...I'm a man of simple pleasures...and that just made my day!

May 7, 2014 @ 2:04 PM

Argie
NERDS
May 7, 2014 @ 2:14 PM

Philly-Bob
Curmudgeon
May 7, 2014 @ 2:19 PM

Anonymous

@Philly Bob. I think you were being mocked not applauded on comical genius. Meaning you were hysterical because you literally proved Ben Vidal's point in the same sentence you stated he calls you hyperbolic for simply disagreeing.

May 7, 2014 @ 2:24 PM

this guest
Bob Seger
May 7, 2014 @ 2:28 PM

Philly-Bob

Hey Mark...were you mocking me there? It's okay if you were, I'm a big boy.

@ Anonymous - You did a little glazing of your own. How bout you pick a name, then we'll talk

May 7, 2014 @ 2:34 PM

Philly-Bob

Oh, and Anon...please tell me where I used Hyperbole in my reply? Do you even know what hyperbole means?

May 7, 2014 @ 2:38 PM

this guest
rehab with a hotline to hookers bearing 'gifts'
May 7, 2014 @ 2:45 PM

Anonymous

Well Philly Bob. I know your spelling of it first was incorrect. So just maybe you are thinking of Hyperboyle, which to tell you the truth I don't know what it is. Therefore we could be talking about two different things.

My understanding of hyperbole goes along with the this definition "Hyperbole is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression,"

You used hyperbole in stating that Ben Vidal was as far left as Fox news is right.

That's the thing with talking politics you are either one or the other in people's minds. Because Ben Vidal disagreed with you, he therefore must be far left wing? I ultimately fail to see how that works as a correct conclusion to come to.

May 7, 2014 @ 2:48 PM


Philly-Bob

@ Anon - I have many good counter points to what you just said, however Momma always taught me never to talk to strangers. Anytime you want to grow a pair and put a name to the comments, we can continue this conversation.

May 7, 2014 @ 3:13 PM

Bob-Philly

How is this for a moniker? Will you continue this witty banter?

May 7, 2014 @ 3:15 PM

Liz

Who the fuck is going to wish Bob Seger a happy birthday? Crazy fucking people, that's who.

Glad to see the usual nonsense ensues on the Open Mike's.

Getting lots of work done today, boys?

May 7, 2014 @ 3:17 PM

markosaar

@Philly-Bob,

I thought you were being ironic. My bad!

May 7, 2014 @ 3:18 PM

Argie

@liz
How about we get in our 60 Chevy and drive up to Fire Lake where I can put those night moves on you or maybe just listen to that old time rock n roll???

May 7, 2014 @ 3:30 PM

Liz

@Argie

You crazy bastard! That's some funny stuff right there.

May 7, 2014 @ 3:57 PM

this guest

I wished Bob Seger a happy birthday just to make
Cheryl happy.
Normally I fax birthday greetings only to hiphop
celebrities.

May 7, 2014 @ 5:35 PM

Liz

@this guest

ha ha!

May 7, 2014 @ 5:39 PM

andrew

From experience (not me, my brother), Rehab facilities usually take your cell phone & other devices when entering. You are allowed phone calls from the communal phone on each floor only.
Leaving the premises is not allowed at all, especially during the first 2 weeks unless supervised by a staff member. Brother was in rehab for 3 weeks & clean now - he was 21 at the time.

Rob Ford is possibly at The Steak & Queen Rehab Centre located in the back room of the restaurant where his addiction counselors are the chef, bartender & the owner.

Something smells fishy AGAIN - what else is new with Robbie.

May 7, 2014 @ 6:27 PM

Liz

@Andrew

Have had a few friends go to rehab - and they are not busy making phone calls and yapping it up. Rehab's no joke. Serious work's done there. And NO, it's not like football camp (as reports Rob via Joe Warmington). Oh, boy.

May 7, 2014 @ 6:37 PM

andrew

Amen Liz.

BTW when my bro in rehab (marijuana & alcohol at very early stages) he couldn't wear his shoes because of laces on the shoes or a belt on pants because of possible "problems" when admitted. He called us at home mostly during the middle of the night wanting to get out of here.

Fortunately after 3 weeks he had to write a test & talk to a councilor & was released in early stages & has been fine ever since. It made a difference & he saw what could happen if he continued his lifestyle 2 years ago.

May 7, 2014 @ 8:20 PM

Liz

@Andrew

xoxo

May 7, 2014 @ 11:30 PM

Anonymous

remember when Doug Ford said the following "I've never seen Rob drink at any event. Ever"

Anyone who thinks that Doug wasn't an enabler need only read this statement over and over again. All Doug had to say was Rob hardly ever drinks. Instead he can't help but lie. Lying, liars always lie....

May 8, 2014 @ 9:01 AM

Anonymous

haha. he's in 'rehab.' oh yeah.......

warmington toronto sun
"Those suggesting Ford must be checked into a traditional rehab program should be reminded whatever action he takes in this regard is his own choice and voluntary. If he chooses to find another route to achieve sobriety, there is nothing in law that can prevent that."

May 8, 2014 @ 9:19 AM

this guest

I love how Warmington tries to sound all 1950s 'Father Knows Best' and 'Biblical'
in his weasel words about Ford's 'rehab.'

'...there is nothing in law....' now that is charles heston hilarity to the max.

May 8, 2014 @ 9:22 AM

this guest

oops. sorry. 'Charlton.'

"You'll pry this crack pipe from my cold dead hands."

May 8, 2014 @ 9:23 AM

this guest

anonymous @ 9:19 was me forgetting to fill out the form.
and now.
the actual day begins.
A day without rancour.
A day without rice.
A day without rabbits.
A day without origami.

May 8, 2014 @ 9:31 AM

Argie

Once again 'this guest' is exhibiting that liberal compassion we all know and love.

St. Jack & Jane would be disappointed in you.

May 8, 2014 @ 9:31 AM

this guest

argie
satire, even vicious satire, has a historical tradition in literature.
the bullshit game being perpetuated upon the city should be
lacerated with ridicule.

compassion for a hurting person is one thing.
compassion for
a brutal bully playing at manipulation is something else.

May 8, 2014 @ 9:36 AM

Argie

@this guest
Between you and me I doubt the fat man is in rehab.

Its up to him if he wants to provide details of his "rehab." If he hopes to be re-elected it would be in his best interest to seek professional help - and lots of it.

May 8, 2014 @ 9:43 AM

this guesty

@ Argie,
oh yeah. lots of it and immediately. We have options now, that come without shame, previous generations didn't have.

I suppose that's one good thing about living in a 'confessional' era.

May 8, 2014 @ 10:08 AM

this guesty

guesty? good lord.
I'm rushing today to blurt stuff out and get other things done.
sayonara.

May 8, 2014 @ 10:09 AM

Jason from Sudbury

To be honest, besides Turn The Page I can't name one Bob Seger song. And Metallica's version of Turn The Page is better. This isn't me dissing Bob Seger, I'm just not a fan.

May 8, 2014 @ 10:43 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Bob Seger songs casual music fans should know:

Turn the Page
Night Moves
We've Got Tonight
Old Time Rock and Roll
Against the Wind
Like a Rock
Shakedown

May 8, 2014 @ 10:52 AM

Ben Vidal

“It’s worth every dime, every dime,” said Ford. “A hundred grand is cheap. It’s a steal.”

These are the words of a man who continues to have a break with reality. Yes folks I'm referring to Rob Ford. The quote above is in reference to the supposed rehab center he is in and how much it costs. Can any of you tell me how a man who is supposed to be so in touch with the average joe can think this is normal.

May 8, 2014 @ 11:54 AM

Jason from Sudbury

Ah yes, Old Time Rock And Roll. How could I forget? My mother drove me nuts with that song when I was a kid.

May 8, 2014 @ 12:38 PM

Argie

@Ben
Unlike other politicians who spend taxpayers' money like that former Premier out west or the Brampton mayor, or our current Premier, Ford tries to save the taxpayers money.

So I guess in your world, Trudeau rich is OK but Ford rich is not.

May 8, 2014 @ 12:52 PM

Ben Vidal

Argie. I don't care if either are rich. I care if someone pretends to be something they aren't. How can you truly know the pulse of the average voter if you consider 100K a steal for rehab. How out of touch do you have to be to state that 100K is cheap. It's insulting.

One could also argue that hanging out with criminals to the point that the police are surveying you is not saving the city of Toronto money.

May 8, 2014 @ 1:28 PM

Cheryl

Subban isn't going anywhere and not the Leafs especially. Anyway, looks like Habs and Pens in the next round. Habs will win as well. Anyway, every series goes seven games. Anyway, Bob Seger is a great singer. His voice is so beautiful. I wouldn't want to hear Metallica sing Turn the Page. Anyway, I wish Rogers would stop sending junk mail. They want me to get their phone service. No way am I getting it. I'm sticking with Primus. Primus never sends junk mail and they have been rewarded for the best customer service there is.

May 8, 2014 @ 4:42 PM

Liz

@Cheryl

Holy fucking stream of consciousness.

May 8, 2014 @ 6:11 PM

this guest

high school kids getting on streetcar after school.
all shoving in front of woman with stroller & baby.
two kids let her on in front of them.
I won't tell you their obvious ethnicity, clothing, or race.

woman with white hair at subway stop waits for bus.
three young men, in their 20s, taking up bench.
I tell her 'they're tired. it's been a long road.'
she laughs and says, 'I love it.'

May 8, 2014 @ 8:08 PM

twins from bolton

@ Mike

Fire Lake & Mainstreet were the only songs that I could listen to from Bob Seger.

Why do parents drive their kids to their school bus area & wait for the bus to get them with flashing lights on. These are high school "children - BABY's" who can't walk from their house to the bus stop,less than 1/2 KM away. Exercise.

Can't Jack & Jill walk to the bus stop, NO as too busy texting, tweeting, & getting no exercise & wanting to sleep in.


May 8, 2014 @ 8:47 PM

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