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Sammi

Only one thing to say today....Go Canada Go!

February 11, 2014 @ 8:19 AM

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Go Canada Go!

At this moment, we lead the world.

February 11, 2014 @ 8:25 AM

Sam in Pickering

Go Canada!

February 11, 2014 @ 8:26 AM

Ryan G

Ya suck it Zimbabwe!

February 11, 2014 @ 8:36 AM

McNulty

I think this is a topic we can all agree on. I am pretty sure we won't find any people not supporting the Canadian athletes.

It's a good first few days at the Olympics.

February 11, 2014 @ 8:43 AM

Ben Vidal

If it weren't for Quebec we'd only have a bronze right now....

February 11, 2014 @ 8:43 AM

Glen

I'm hoping someone in Toronto Mike's battalion can help me on my tax return. I'm doing it myself using Turbotax online.

How much can I claim on medical expenses as an individual? Is it 3% of net income or $2152? I'm a bit confused.

I have no children unless you count a small cactus.

February 11, 2014 @ 8:49 AM

Rick2

Kathleen Wynn is doing an AMA (ask me anything)on reddit this morning at 11:30 .. This is an opportunity for anybody to directly ask her a question, or follow along..

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/

February 11, 2014 @ 8:51 AM

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@Ben Vidal

That's not entirely true...

We have the bronze you alluded to, and the team skating silver... and a gold today from Dara Howell, who's from Huntsville, Ontario.

So Quebec is only responsible for 6 of our 9 medals.

February 11, 2014 @ 8:56 AM

Ryan G

If you'd like your daily dose of cringe, google Louis Theroux documentaries, particularly "The Nazis" and "America's Most Hated Family" (Westboro Baptist Church). Others that stand out include those focused on the ghettos of Philadelphia and Johannesburg, and the piece on an "institution" where they send Paedophiles is riveting.

Theroux has this bizarre ability to get embedded into these environments for a week or so to shoot these docs. His mannerisms and British'ness seem to disarm these folks, where he gets unprecedented access to sensitive areas, homes and customs.

At first I wondered why some of these maniacs would let him anywhere near them with a camera crew, but they're so delusional they figure the exposure will help promote their idealogy. It's a great alchemy that results in captivating content.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:16 AM

Matt

@Glen it should ask you about that somewhere in the process. Just put the numbers in and it'll calculate it for you.

@McNulty Support, yes. Care, no. It's good when a Canadian wins but I definitely don't follow it like Mike does. The only sport I will probably watch is hockey but the nhl has done a good job of ruining that for me as well.

That said I would be in favour of Olympics athletes getting more financial support from the government.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:21 AM

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I've been a sucker for the Olympics since I watched the '84 games as a kid.

I watch everything... many sports I'd never watch unless it was the Olympics. I devour it like candy for two weeks every couple of years.

For those interested, I'm adding relevant photos to my Olympics page... catch up on what you've missed here: http://www.torontomike.com/olympics/

February 11, 2014 @ 9:24 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Mike: Sorry for the exaggeration... It was meant more to be funny that those hated Quebecois are pulling out all the stops. In truth seeing us win as much as we do right now is a great feeling.

I agree with Matt that athletes in Canada should receive more financial support from the government.

@ Ryan G: Thanks for the heads up about that. I'll give a couple docs a watch and let you know what I think.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:25 AM

Al The Royal Pain

@Ben Vidal

I've thought the same thing ever since Vancouver. If it weren't for Quebec, we'd have as many medals as Slovenia.

I'm loving this start. I hope they can keep things going.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:26 AM

Corey

@Glen -

You should only need to enter the total of your medical expenses. The software will do the rest. It will base the credit on either the amount of medical expenses that exceed 3% of your net income OR $2152. Whichever is less. Just make sure the medical expenses you are reporting qualify.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:28 AM

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@Ben Vidal

When it comes to the Olympics, there will be no joking around! This is very, very serious business!

February 11, 2014 @ 9:29 AM

Philly-Bob

Yeah, but last time I checked, Quebec was part of Canada. So why the distinction?

Oh...that's right, because Quebecers think they're above the rest of us...

February 11, 2014 @ 9:36 AM

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Every Quebecois medalist thus far has been extremely proud to represent Canada. Just look at this moment.

My Canada includes Quebec and it seems to be a mutual feeling.

p.s. Norway just passed us in medals... but we'll be back!

February 11, 2014 @ 9:38 AM

Lyle Lanley

Go Canada Go!

February 11, 2014 @ 9:45 AM

Cosmo

'I think it's unfortunate that it's become a debate at city hall,' Wynne says of Ford's opposition to flying rainbow flag during Sochi 2014.

It's interesting to note that for all Ford's talk about requesting the flag be removed, he's made no such request. He really is all talk no action, even when he's wrong. Such hot air!

February 11, 2014 @ 9:47 AM

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@Cosmo

Let's keep this Ford-free today. All that man does is divide. He's poison.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:49 AM

Ryan P

February 11th is the day we fight back against mass surveillance by the NSA and CSEC. I encourage you all to go to the below link and fill out the form on the right to send a message to your MP. Without the voice of the masses, we will not be heard.

thedaywefightback.ca

Mike, if you're for the cause maybe a blog post is in order?


February 11, 2014 @ 9:54 AM

Andrew

Well, made it home after 18 days on the road. Watched a lot of shitty curling in that time, but made the best of it. Montreal proved that they aren't curling fans, but oh well. The Homan team dominated the field, repeats as champions and will have home ice advantage come March at the World's in Fredericton, NB.

It's nice to be home.

Cheers,
Andrew

February 11, 2014 @ 10:05 AM

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@Andrew

Where are the best curling fans?

February 11, 2014 @ 10:07 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - Apologies, I should not have painted all Quebcers with the same brush. I'm sure the majority of them are Proud Canadians.

I just hate when I hear things like "6 of our medals came out of Quebec." How many came from Ontario?? Alberta??

How bout we just be proud that 9 medals came out of CANADA

February 11, 2014 @ 10:41 AM

Speysidephil

Exactly Philly-Bob
We are a funny nation sometimes, do you ever hear the U.S. Say 5 medals from Iowa, 4 from Colorada ,etc. Etc., no it's 9 medals for the U.S.
So I agree, let's be Proud CANADIANS!

February 11, 2014 @ 10:56 AM

Glen

Andrew Coyne wrote an interesting column in todays National Post on the diminishing returns of investing taxpayer money in the auto industry


One point he mentioned that struck me was since 1965 we have closed of 9 assembly plants and lost 50,000 jobs DESPITE investing over $15 BILLION taxpayer dollars in that industry.

Does Kathleen Wynne answer that in her AMA?

Here's the column:

http://goo.gl/mUF7U6

February 11, 2014 @ 10:57 AM

markosaar

Besides Quebec athletes wouldn't be able to afford the time to excel without all those transfer payments from the rest of Canada. It's a team effort!

February 11, 2014 @ 11:04 AM

Liz

@markosaar

I thought it - you wrote it. It sure is a team effort - ha ha!

February 11, 2014 @ 11:26 AM

Douglas

Where are the best curling fans? "Best" is a tough one, but you'll find plenty anywhere but the very left coast, the Toronto area, Ottawa and Montréal. I think the most avid fans are out on the prairies, as curling there is a reasonably affordable sport that can be played and enjoyed by pretty much all ages. We played jam can curling as kids in Winnipeg. Personally, I am not much of a curling fan, but I'll leave it on every now and then. I am always amazed when I see what you think is an impossible shot or takeout succeed.

As for the Olympics, all of our medal winners have been proud Canadians, les Québecois inclus. I guess les Séparatistes do not participate in Olympic sports. I also expect a disproportionate number of the ski-type event athletes to come from B.C., Alberta and Québec, as their geography and winter climates are better suited for those sports. Yes, people can move, but if you live in one of those provinces to begin with, you're more likely to take up the sport in the first place.

I wonder, though...if you remember, the federal government really ramped up the amount of money available to help out our Olympic athletes a year or two ahead of the Vancouver Olympics, and that spending has been maintained. Whether or not Québec winter sport athletes have been greater beneficiaries of that funding or not, perhaps we are actually seeing some of the success of the money being invested in our athletes. On that positive thought, break's over - I wish everyone a good day. Stay warm. Spring IS coming.

February 11, 2014 @ 11:32 AM

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@Douglas

I married a girl from Saskatchewan, then I married a girl from Alberta, and I've always heard how big curling is in the prairies and out west.

As a boring ol' Toronto guy, this fascinated me. Curling is simply not a part of an discussion in this city.

February 11, 2014 @ 11:36 AM


Andrew

@ Toronto Mike & @Douglas.

Anywhere other than the 401 corridor, straight through 20 in QC until you hit the New Brunswick border. The GTA and southern Ontario in general sucks for getting people to come out to watch high end curling. The Brier in Kamloops, BC next month will be packed and so will the women's world's in NB.

It sucks, because it's tough to make a venue sound good when you have no one sitting in the stands. Like a funeral.

Cheers,
Andrew

February 11, 2014 @ 11:54 AM

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@Andrew

To be very honest, if you handed me tickets to see the world's best curlers compete, I'd pass. The only exception to this rule would be if it was an Olympic match with a Canadian vying for a medal.

February 11, 2014 @ 11:57 AM

elvis

I've been using this for my taxes for the past few years - free and works like a charm.

http://www.studiotax.com/en/

February 11, 2014 @ 12:21 PM

Andrew

@ Toronto Mike,

Yup… couldn't blame you. I have become a fan of the sport after working on the events since 2007 and getting to know the players involved over that time.

February 11, 2014 @ 12:25 PM

elvis

@Andrew - I'm a fan but admittedly, I'll only watch the Canadian championships and worlds if we make it. Olympics too obviously.

February 11, 2014 @ 12:28 PM

Andrew

@ Elvis…

Yeah, I totally get it. I'll be honest, I never watched it at home unless I worked it, but now, after being around it for so long I love it. I've gotten to really understand what's going on on the ice and what some of the teams are doing.

USA women gave up a 7 spot to the UK this morning. A 7!!! There are only 8 rocks per end per team and holy crap, that means you shit the bed in a big way. They don't give up 7 in club play.

February 11, 2014 @ 12:33 PM

elvis

SEVEN!!! I think the most I've ever seen before is 4. Watching the replay now.

February 11, 2014 @ 1:08 PM


Philly-Bob

@ Speyside - I was going to include the US comparison in my rant. The only time you'd hear a state by state breakdown is form a politician trying to use it as a talking point.

as in "Re-elect me. As a result of my decisions as to where to spend money, we have x amount of athletes win metals form our state."

February 11, 2014 @ 2:10 PM

markosaar

Wynne's Reddit Ask Me Anything was a huge dud:

LINK

If you're unfamiliar with Reddit, you're looking at the top responses (questions) members voted on. It's hard to see Wynne's replies because she ignored anything difficult. You can see her posts specifically here and click the under each one to get more context:

http://www.reddit.com/user/KathleenWynne

February 11, 2014 @ 2:18 PM

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@markosaar

Now Bill Murray did a great AMA...

February 11, 2014 @ 2:22 PM

McNulty

@ markosar

It is Ask Me Anything...it isn't I'll Answer Anything!

But really, what did you expect? The questions would have be PC/NDP plants as much as her answers were already canned.

I read through some of them and they are rhetoric BS that is all a part of the PC campaign crap.

February 11, 2014 @ 2:55 PM

markosaar

@MacNulty,

She shouldn't haven't even bothered. It felt like a cynical attempt at connecting with "the youth" but no one was fooled. Just made her look like a lame duck.

February 11, 2014 @ 2:59 PM

Wayner

Curling much like golf is a sport that you really need to play to enjoy. They are not sports that you can watch for an afternoon.

February 11, 2014 @ 3:00 PM

Corey

Re: the Wynn AMA on reddit. Horrible idea for a politician to even attempt. Did you see what they did to Woody Harrelson when they detected inauthenticity? This was predictable.
@McNulty - I didn't bother to review it in any great deal, but the users I checked on that were asking questions seemed to have established accounts and were active on many unrelated topics, so I'm not buying the "conservative plants" thing. I'm sure there must have been some, but reddit seems pretty good at self governance so I think obvious fakes would be called out pretty quickly. These AMAs are supposed to be genuine, candid and real-time - not the type of thing a politician is readily able to do. Taking 30 minutes to answer 3 questions? Uh...

February 11, 2014 @ 3:53 PM

Matt

If I remember correctly Harrelson only wanted to answer questions about whatever it was he was promoting, nothing else.

Wynnes AMA was terrible. I can't wait for elections to roll around.

February 11, 2014 @ 4:17 PM

Matt

@Mike Everything Bill Murray does is great!

February 11, 2014 @ 4:18 PM

Lorne

I just got told I sound like John Tesh. I guess I'll have to listen to his radio program to judge for myself.

February 11, 2014 @ 4:19 PM

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@Lorne

I know a guy named Jason Kinder who looks like John Tesh. You guys should hook up.

February 11, 2014 @ 4:22 PM

Cheryl

Well, hate to say it, but I'll only follow the hockey in the Olympics with Canada winning because PK Subban is going to score lots and Carey Price will make save after save. I would follow Curling if my trainer was there or if any of his friends or his brother was there, but they're not. I'll be following the Brier because the brier will be exciting with no Howard there and my trainer's brother and my trainer's friends.

February 11, 2014 @ 4:50 PM

Dawn Keibals

Cigarettes up $4.00 a carton as of midnight.Way to pour gas on the "Black Market" for buts.Their sales should sky-rocket.

February 11, 2014 @ 6:13 PM

McNulty

@ Matt

Garfield.
He is fallible.

February 11, 2014 @ 6:32 PM

Corey

Really Mike. Following Ford on Twitter is bad enough, but "organize" isn't just Canadian. That's how they spell it in the US too, so the "Canadian pride" thing makes no sense.

(This comment brought to you in memory of Argie. Hopefully his break is temporary, or Open Mikes are going to become boring kumbaya sessions about perfect a world full of bike lanes, veggie smoothies and run by Olivia Chow.)

February 11, 2014 @ 7:03 PM

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@Corey

My first year at U of T I took a course called Effective Writing.

One of the exercises was British vs. Canadian vs. American spelling.

"Organize" is correct in Canada and America, "organise" is correct in the UK. Conversely, "organise" is incorrect in Canada and America, "organize" is incorrect in the UK.

February 11, 2014 @ 7:07 PM

Corey

@Mike - correct. But shouldn't being full of "Canadian pride" mean being proud of something uniquely Canadian? Come on - it was weak. Admit it.

February 11, 2014 @ 7:12 PM

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@Corey

Sure, you could call it weak, or you could call it the most brilliant thing you've ever read.

February 11, 2014 @ 7:13 PM

dale

Canada's results in the Olympics are outstanding so far. I cannot be prouder to be a Canadian.

I only watch the sports that Canada has a chance to get a medal after preliminary rounds. Politics being played in the Olympics as usual with "judging" in figure skating especially.

@ALL

TDOT Mike is entering the Ride for Cancer & needs ALL of our help & support with pledging towards his goal. WE ALL CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE as every little bit helps. Do it for the Mikes - TDOT & Mike Kic.

February 11, 2014 @ 7:40 PM

Liz

I copied this from another section - @Toronto Mike wrote:

Toronto Mike
February 11, 2014 / 15:11

@Ben Vidal

He's taking a break from commenting. He wasn't banned, he's decided to do this on his own. He sent me an email about it yesterday.

His views of the world clash with our modern distaste for intolerance.

-----
Wow, I figured all that nonsense on The Friday Open Mike was going to result in something like this - I only scanned what was written there because it was a little too much for me (who knew I had a line). It all just kept ratcheting up. Argie has some really neat posts at times but there are a few topics...religion, homosexuality and the like that are beyond any scintilla of rationality. Things must have heated up a lot higher than last I'd checked.

In other news, I spent almost 90 minutes on the phone with an arrogant Bell Canada c-sucker in Montreal who told me to "Shut up and pay the bill". I told him to buy the best umbrella he's able to find because there's a shit storm about to rain down on his ass - the likes of which he's only heard about. A bunch of credits hadn't been applied to our account and I called Bell to ask about these - that and the wild long distance charges that had been mistakenly applied to the account. This Chris (today's c-word of the day) ended up admitting the errors were on their end and then called me a "celebrity" because I have a cell phone and a home phone (guess I was his c-word). I told him I work as an escort and am a low level drug dealer. Another effing Mensa candidate crawls the planet unescorted.

Congratulations goes out to Bell for employing the great unwashed. They must be so proud - I like that they say the calls are being recorded for quality assurance purposes. Fingers crossed that every syllable was captured today. I'm coming for ya, Chris.

It's been some time in coming but I'm thinking about ditching the home phone. No one uses it. Have any of you gone completely cellular? Any regrets? Looking really forward to hearing what you've done - and hearing your thoughts.

February 11, 2014 @ 7:45 PM

Liz

@Toronto Mike

I second all the stuff you wrote about the Effective Writing course - I took the same one first-year. You're correct on all fronts. I think I might still have the workbook.

@Corey

This isn't cheerleading - pretend it's court and I'm the attorney sitting second chair.

February 11, 2014 @ 7:56 PM

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@Liz

I got rid of the home phone 3 years ago. No regrets.

February 11, 2014 @ 8:17 PM

McNulty

Home phones are useless.

Liz must be a celebrity because clearly all if read about I'm gossip magazines are those fancy celebrity home phones.

February 11, 2014 @ 8:38 PM

markosaar

@Liz, we kept a home phone for a while because it worked out to be cheaper for long-distance. We generally use Skype instead now however.

February 11, 2014 @ 8:54 PM

Corey

@Liz -

If we're pretending it's court then I'm the judge. I already threw this case out. Just so you know, I didn't dispute the organize vs. organinse usage.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:02 PM

Liz

@Corey

Guess I'm on the short bus again today.

February 11, 2014 @ 9:13 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Corey - I too hope Argie comes back. Maybe with a bit more tolerance for those different from him, but once more with feeling...he isn't a troll...Dave W...now there was a troll

However, I think bike lanes in one of the most congested cities in the world is one of the dumbest ideas in a long sad history of bad ideas, especially since the majority of cyclists in come across in Toronto are arrogant douche bags who forget I'm in a half ton car. I don't have a vote (note my former name) but if I did, it sure as hell wouldn't be for Chow.

Sorry Man...can't back you up on the smoothies though...banana, oj, yogurt, broccoli and carrots went into the blender last night and it was pretty awesome. Sue me...I'm a 30 year old single dad putting himself back on the market...gotta look my best

February 11, 2014 @ 10:08 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - What the hell is kale? and why would i want to eat it?

February 11, 2014 @ 10:10 PM

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@Philly-Bob

Argie was only slightly more charming than Dave Williams. Both were close minded shit disturbers.

And why would you say bike lanes are a bad idea just because you met some cyclists you didn't like? Pretty short sighted, man. Some cyclists are arrogant douche bags just like some in cars are arrogant douche bags, but many are simply trying to get to work or home in one piece.

And I didn't know what kale was at your age either, but it's been pummeled into my head by my wife that it's a wonderful thing we should eat often.

February 11, 2014 @ 10:52 PM

Andrew

@ Elvis

I re-watched it over and over and chatted with some of my curling announcers and crew members. That's embarrassing for women's curling, especially Olympic women curling. These are supposed to be USA's top four women curlers. They didn't win a game in Vancouver and they start 2014 0-3. They should be relegated.

Sad state.

Cheers,
Andrew

February 11, 2014 @ 11:07 PM

Declan

To be honest, Argie's comments kept me from commenting more. He was hateful at times, and always provoking.

With him absent, I'll certainly contribute more. I'm sure there are others.

February 11, 2014 @ 11:08 PM

Corey

@Phil - it was a joke. I actually don't care about any of those things.

February 12, 2014 @ 7:23 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - The difference is, the douchey bike riders act like they own the road and don't need to look for cars, assuming we will always be looking for them. They weave in and out of traffic, ride up between cars in rush hour, and generally ignore the rules of the road. I am not saying all cyclists are like this, just the majority of the ones I have come across in Toronto.

In a city as congested as Toronto, we don't need to be giving valuable road space to bikes. Yes, in a perfect world, we would all ride bikes everywhere and not pollute, but that just isn't practical.....

So Mike, I'm sorry, this is one of the few places we are not like minded, I think bike lanes on Major Roads (Younge, Ellington, York, etc. ) in the downtown core are a horrible idea. Have them in the east and west end, put them in the burbs, but in a major city..sorry, no.

February 12, 2014 @ 8:19 AM

Philly-Bob

Oh, and I'll be buying some kale this weekend....results to follow :)

February 12, 2014 @ 8:19 AM

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@Philly-Bob

Gotcha. Build bike infrastructure in the burbs, not downtown where the congestion and need is. And all because you've encountered some "douchey" bike riders. Sigh...

February 12, 2014 @ 8:21 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - No, you don't "got me".

Don't put bike lanes where it is impractical to have them, and it is impractical in the core....sigh redux

I'd rather see that money go to improving the mass transit system.

February 12, 2014 @ 8:43 AM

Philly-Bob

And lets tone back the hyperbole a bit please. I have not encountered "some" douchey bike riders. In 16 years of driving I can not think of a time that I have come across a cyclist in Toronto and NOT been inconvenienced by them in some shape or form.

Be it that their fastest peddling up hill is still slower than me idling, them riding in between cars in gridlock or coming up to a light, them zooming by as I'm opening my car door, then yelling at me for almost hitting them, making a right hand turn when it is time for the pedestrians to go.... I could go on.

Maybe you do none of these things when you are out on your Bike, but you would be the minority on that front.

February 12, 2014 @ 8:54 AM

McNulty

@ Philly-Bob

I drive in Toronto all the time. I encounter bad bikers as much as I encounter bad drivers. To say you haven't seen a good biker is ridiculous. You have a predisposition to dislike any biker.

I don’t think bike lanes work for every street though. I also think police need to enforce bad bike behaviour as much as bad driving. Yonge St? I don’t think there is room. But Bay? Sure. University? Sure. It can work if everyone makes compromises.

February 12, 2014 @ 9:00 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Philly-Bob: Unfortunately just because bikers don't get up the hill as fast as a car can doesn't make them douche bags. As for the biking in between cars in grodlock I fail to see how that makes them douche bags. Perhaps you should head over to Europe. People take their bikes and mopeds in and out of cars stuck in gridlock. In fact you need only go to any country in the world and you will find that. If I biked to work I would do the same, but bringing two dogs to work with me prevents that option.

You want to know who the douche bags are. The people that are too cheap or lazy to take transit in Toronto, live in condos and drive everywhere when they don't need to. I'm pro biking in that more people should do it. The only caveat is during the winter. Guys who bike all the time in this weather have one or two screws loose. I also thing it poses a greater danger to the biker. There is one famous Toronto blogger who has had one or two wipes outs this winter........

Outside of that I think it's a little bit of an over exaggeration to say Mike is in the minority of respectful bikers.

February 12, 2014 @ 9:24 AM

Lorne

@Philly-Bob, @Ben: You're both thinking of is Confirmation Bias. All of the biker's Bob sees are douches, because those are the only ones he notices, and thus he remembers. He now thinks all biker's are douches. With that bias, all he'll see and remember are douche bikers.

Ben, Mike, others are the opposite. They notice bikers who are respectful and behaving. Those data points stand out. So they are now of the opinion that bikers are inherently good, and will notice those bikers.

Short of sitting at a busy intersection for a few weeks and counting EVERY biker that went by, and noting their behavior (and trying to account for the same biker passing more than once, environmental factors imposed by that intersection, etc, etc)-- neither of your opinions are factually valid, and no one should base any governmental policy, law or construction project on them.

February 12, 2014 @ 9:32 AM

Ben Vidal

Actually Lorne that's not true. I never ever stated that all bikers are inherently good because that's what I've experienced. I just stated that two of the things that Philly Bob really had issue with aren't that big of a deal or don't equate to bikers being douches.

I've had my fair share of run ins with bikers in Toronto, but I've also had my fair share of run ins with shitty drivers. I do not reach a conclusion that all bikers and drivers are thus a-holes. Just that I've experienced incidents where there are douches on both sides..

February 12, 2014 @ 9:51 AM

Lorne

@Ben I may be extrapolating a bit, but you did say "Outside of that I think it's a little bit of an over exaggeration to say Mike is in the minority of respectful bikers."

It might not be. Mike may very well be in a minority of respectful bikers, and the majority are douche-phones. It's fair to say Mike's a respectful and careful biker. It's provable that there are others like him. Beyond that, it's all confirmation bias.

February 12, 2014 @ 10:06 AM

Broni

@ Philly-Bob

You need to stop generalzing. It doesn't help the conversation. There are good and bad cyclists...there are good and bad drivers...there are good and bad humans. There is no such thing as "every" cyclist is bad or every driver is bad.

Case in point: here is your own statement in your own words. Replace the words "cyclist/bike rider" with "driver" and the result is a tie.

the douchey bike riders act like they own the road and don't need to look for cars, assuming we will always be looking for them. They weave in and out of traffic, ride up between cars in rush hour, and generally ignore the rules of the road. I am not saying all cyclists are like this, just the majority of the ones I have come across in Toronto.

I agree with you that bike lanes on primary streets like Eglinton etc may not be the best solution. However, the new dedicated lanes on Sherbourne Street are proof that well-thought-out bike lanes, usually on secondary streets, co-exist quite nicely with car lanes without much trouble at all.

February 12, 2014 @ 10:48 AM

Cheryl

My Suns lost last night. That sucked. They blew it. No good at all. You know, the NHL should continue through the Olympics. Not everyone went to the Olympics. There could still be regular hockey with the players that are left instead of this two and a half week break. No Habs until February 26. That's a long way away. They could still play. No reason why not, just play without the players that went to the Olympics.

I told you Bell sucks. Get Primus. Primus is great. You can have your home phone on your internet. Get them in one bundle for $71.95 as it went up a bit. You will get things like voice mail, call forwarding, three-way calling, call screen, all those things. Primus has great customer service. Get rid of Bell and go with them. Bell rips people off any way they can.

February 12, 2014 @ 10:57 AM

Philly-Bob

@ All - Lorne may be correct, I only see the douches cause that's what I'm looking for. However, McNulty and Broni seem to be on a similar page as I am. I'm not saying NO BIKE LANES IN TORONTO, I'm saying they don't need to be on the Majors (Younge for Example) As far as Ben's comments regarding the bikers in Europe, two wrongs don't make a right.

My problem with a lot of cyclists is they want to be treated like any other vehicle when it suits them, but also seem to expect the same courtesy as pedestrians.

February 12, 2014 @ 10:58 AM

this guest

bike lanes
laneways
bike laneways

blues and yellows
overarching greens
intersections of white translucence

laneways of colour vibrations
polite cyclists
polite drivers
nobody hopped up on stress, caffeinated
soft drinks, genetically modified dna-ripping
slop, television commercials, rob ford's eyeballs
floating over the city, idiot six story egos in the
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February 12, 2014 @ 11:20 AM

Ben Vidal

This isn't about two wrongs making a right Philly Bob. This is how the world is in many other places. If it was a big problem or a big no no to have bikers or mopeds weave in gridlock then I'm sure many of the more progressive countries would have had a crack down by now. Just accept that it's the way of the world and not bikers out there to piss you off or be douche bags.

Perhaps you are perceived as the douche bag to the cyclists. Why is someone like yourself not taking the go from Mississauga into the the city and then utilizing the TTC to get around. Why are you clogging the streets up with your car from the suburbs?

Two sides to every coin.

February 12, 2014 @ 11:28 AM

Corey

@Mike -

Question for you. You had very little patience with Dave Williams, and ended up banning him pretty quickly, essentially for being annoying. The picture you've been painting of Argie is of an intolerant homophobe who required frequent censorship for hateful posts. Seems a lot more serious than Dave Williams, so why do you let Argie post at all?

February 12, 2014 @ 12:10 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Corey

Only two people are banned... so it's not something that happens frequently.

I guess he was allowed to comment for two reasons:

1. I'm sensitive to being perceived as someone who bans those who disagree with me - and Argie almost always disagreed with me

2. Argie just didn't cross the line enough and when I asked him to stop portraying homosexuality as a weakness he more or less complied. And once in a while his comments were interesting and/or funny...

February 12, 2014 @ 12:16 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Ben - I guess, for me, it's akin to the Australian PM's stance on immigration, which dumbed down is as follows:

We welcome all immigrants to this great country, but we are a country founded by Christians and will not change to suit the minority (things like merry christmas, crosses in the courthouses, and all the other stupid concessions that we in North America make for those choosing to come to our country)

Anyway, my views on biking are similar. We as a society use Motorized Vehicles (cars, buses, trucks, etc.) Our infrastructure is designed with that in mind. Why are the MAJORITY of people in Toronto being inconvenienced on a daily basis for the MINORITY. Cyclists are moee than welcome on the road, but I expect them to behave like any other motorist. I have seen a cop give a ticket to a Biker (motor that is) for pulling between cars at a light....I cyclist should be treated the same way.

And I have no problem with a bike lane on Spadina or college, just not on major roads like Younge or Bay. They slow down what is already a jammed up situation.

By this logic, why not add a bike lane to the Gardiner or 401?

I don't really have a horse in this race as I don't live in Toronto, and frequent it during rush hour very rarely...these were just my views on an issue that was being discussed.

February 12, 2014 @ 1:19 PM

markosaar

@Philly-Bob, you're really looking at it the wrong way. Just imagine how much more congested traffic would be if all those cyclists were driving cars instead, and how difficult it would be to get around them. Cyclists do drivers a service.

February 12, 2014 @ 1:39 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Maybe I've spent too much time in Amsterdam lately, but it seems to me @markosaar is exactly right.

We need more people to leave their cars at home and commute via bicycle. Progressive cities improve cycling infrastructure to make this possible Toronto should be a progressive city.

February 12, 2014 @ 1:41 PM

McNulty

@ Philly-Bob

I think you're looking at it wrong. The comparison doesn't work. the city is jammed and we can't make it any better without changing our habits. While I am not a biker (I couldn't be sweaty for my job since I go to different places where a shower isn't possible) I do take transit as much as possible. If we imporved transit and made bike lanes, the people that need to drive, could drive much easier. It's not a "fuck the bikers" attitude that will win.

Although I really hate some bikers. But I hate them as much as the bad driver who causes just as many problems.

February 12, 2014 @ 1:50 PM

Dutch

Workin in Rexdale this morning went to the Steak Queen for breakfast, fast,cheap and tasty let me say but no Robby. A little disappointed.

February 12, 2014 @ 2:42 PM

Cheryl

I wish Grocery Gateway would stop sending those free samples of dates. I don't want them and the free samples have been going on for two months now. I don't need them, and I tell Grocery Gateway that, but they keep sending them anyway. Anyway, no sports this weekend unless you are really into Olympics which I am not. It's going to be a dull weekend without any sports. The thing about the Olympics is that players on different teams make up a team so it's not all Coyotes or all Habs. Anyway, my Habs have different players on different teams. This sucks. I want my regular hockey back. Two more weeks to go. Why can't they do this in the summer when hockey is finished or something like that.

February 13, 2014 @ 6:17 PM

Rick C in Oakville

I wish I had a job that I could cycle or take public transit to work. Doing on road sales and customer site repairs/support is very wearing. A little too late for this dog to learn new tricks, all I can hope for is freedom 65.

February 13, 2014 @ 9:29 PM

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