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Rob

Should be an exciting day of open non hostile :) discussion.

January 7, 2014 @ 8:06 AM

Lyle Lanley

Team Canada will be named in hours... will be interesting to see who's left off the roster.

January 7, 2014 @ 8:17 AM

Glen

I'll start the discussion because it's what everyone is talking about in Toronto.

What do you think of those T- Fal Actifry air cookers? It's the one where you only use a teaspoon of oil to cook french fries. Are the fries tasty? When you deep fry fries it's the oil that gives it some taste. I was wondering if they taste flat in the T-Fal cooker.

January 7, 2014 @ 8:20 AM

Ryan P

I just want to be the first to say it...

Mike, you sabotaged the Dean Blundell show. Look at the facts. You were on jury duty how long ago? Then Derek gets jury duty. You clearly used your inside knowledge of the juror process to make Derek get picked in a case he clearly couldn't hold his tongue for. And now you're gonna go for the job since you could never ever get into radio even though its what you clearly want.

Global Warming (or whatever they're calling it now) is fake too...its -26 outside! Ha...shouldn't it be like 20 above?

In all seriousness though...congrats to Corus for stepping up and having some balls. I think they should be commended for this decision and for going with morals instead of the illusion of Blundell's ratings (which I hear were not even that great).

January 7, 2014 @ 8:21 AM

Ryan P

Should have known my fake HTML tag wouldn't show up...

there was an end sarcasm there...

January 7, 2014 @ 8:22 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I'm about to call into the Humble and Fred show to discuss the massive pile of shit I saw on Humble's living room floor at his NYE party.

If you're listening live, you'll hear me in 5.

January 7, 2014 @ 8:24 AM

Bo

@Toronto Mike

You took a shit on Humble's living room floor?

Well done!

January 7, 2014 @ 8:38 AM

Argie

A few random thoughts for today:

Kyle Turris should be selected today but won't be. Ask most Sens fans and they'll tell you he's been their MVP.

Great movie to see with your wife or girlfriend or both - About Time.

I loved the irony of that wanker protesting Harper and his "Climate" policies yesterday. Its minus 1000 across North America and he's concerned about global warming. Beautiful!

January 7, 2014 @ 8:40 AM

Loyal Listener

Hey Toronto Mike, how do we listen live? I can only find the Jan 6 podcast. Thanks!

January 7, 2014 @ 8:43 AM

Toronto Rayray

It's cold!

January 7, 2014 @ 8:48 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Loyal Listener

It's live on SiriusXM, but you already missed me.

Today's episode will be on humbleandfred.com by about 9:30 today.

January 7, 2014 @ 8:50 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

Unusually cold weather certainly does not mean global warming is fake. It's all explained nicely here:

/science

January 7, 2014 @ 8:54 AM

Wayner

I don't think CORUS did anything commendable in this regard…it was just good business.

A&E, when faced with a similar situation, reinstated Phil Robertson (& Duck Dynasty). Duck Dynasty’s rating were through the roof and growing (along with their merchandise). When faced with the possibly of losing this cash cow they immediately did an about face.

It is just good business…

January 7, 2014 @ 9:08 AM

mrmojorisinca

I realize there is a market for it but not sure how Corus thinks accepting advertising from Ashley Madison is acceptable for a station who audience is 18 to 24..

I guess I'm more conservative then I realize.

January 7, 2014 @ 9:16 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

In the Dean Blundell Cancelled thread, someone is busting my balls as "@phew!".

This is a message to @phew!. I know who you are, you've commented from that IP address before using your real name. I consider you a friend and know you're just trying to stir up shit for fun, but you can stop now.

Thanks,
The Management

January 7, 2014 @ 9:20 AM

Derrick

@Glen,

The Actify's are great. We've used them to cook fries a number of times and they are fantiastic. The only downside is you need to ensure that the potatoes are dry before cooking them.

The Actifry is also really good at cooking chicken wings. With wings you don't need the oil. Over the weekend I cooked wings in the Actifry, then drowned them in Franks Red Hot, and stuck them in the oven at a low setting (200F) for 30 minutes. Did the same for a honey garlic batch, and they were both great.

Highly recommend the product.

January 7, 2014 @ 9:29 AM

Gump

I made the mistake of clicking on the comments link for an Toronto Sun article about the cold snap and the fake climate change 'conspiracy'.
I realize everyone has a right to an opinion, but if there is one topic where the lay person *wouldn't* be appropriate to have an opinion it would be the hard science behind the theory of climate change/global warming. Do I trust the opinion of the aggregate of hundreds/thousands of scientists with years of research or some anti-government conservative yahoo who sits on the couch and watches Duck Dynasty.
Remember people, science is hard!

January 7, 2014 @ 9:31 AM

Corey

Come on Mike! Do you really expect us to take a presentation that uses Comic Sans seriously?!?! Pfffttt.

January 7, 2014 @ 9:35 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@ Gump

Exactly.

I am not a scientist, nor a doctor, so I don't pretend to know and understand such matters and leave it to the professionals.

When it comes to climate change and global warming and flu vaccinations and health matters, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than those smart people who devote their lives to such things.

Climate change and global warming is real. The evidence scientists have collected are overwhelming. I'd say they know more than the average TorontoSun commenter.

January 7, 2014 @ 9:36 AM

mrmojorisinca

I believe the reasoning behind the "conspiracy" with climate change started after some scientists discredited the movie An Inconvenient Truth which started to put global warming on the map. then as this was happening the Government conveniently started to start to try passing laws that would cost the tax payer money to "save the planet"

I'm a firm believer that the climate is changing, and this is based on my 37 years living here.. could it be cyclical like some people suggest sure it can be but we taking 1000 year cycles..and that just tells me that the environment is always changing..and to believe we can't effect the environment well I think that is crazy.

January 7, 2014 @ 9:44 AM

4x4 Time

Normally I think I am a pretty good driver, but today I rolled slowly through a stop sign (I looked around, saw nobody) on the way to the office, and was stopped by a policeman who was watching me from around the corner.

I admitted my error and apologized when he asked me if I knew why he pulled me over.

Fully expecting to be ticketed, he said, “Ok, sir, thanks for being honest with me. Please make sure you come to a full stop at all stop signs from now on, drive carefully today it is very icy, and have a good day”

Never asked for my license, no ticket, very decent man. My lucky day today I guess.

January 7, 2014 @ 9:52 AM

Anonymous

@4x4 Time

You're a white man, correct?

January 7, 2014 @ 9:58 AM

Argie

@Anonymous
That's a racist comment.

January 7, 2014 @ 10:09 AM

Oscar

Mike, is it true that Todd is given a gag order?

January 7, 2014 @ 10:45 AM

this guest

with all the boo hoo hoo about increasing temperature the ice cold has shown global deniers correct man is incapable of changing weather look atomic bombs didn't affect the wind or air nothing from a spray can accumulates except on the tv screen which might show the mayor getting a package on a perfect sunshiny day lap it up global deniers rule etobicoke is starlight and million year old carbon

January 7, 2014 @ 10:45 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Oscar

I spoke directly with Todd about this yesterday.

He's going to come in and chat about his life in radio and I'm going to ask him a bunch of interesting questions.

He'll answer what he's comfortable answering, but there will be one topic he'll be careful with. The "tell all" is now a "tell most".

January 7, 2014 @ 10:49 AM

Argie

@this guess
Huh?

January 7, 2014 @ 10:53 AM

McNulty

@ Mike

Why do I feel that phew! may be someone who likes OJ?

Maybe I'm wrong.

And there isn't any sense is arguing with the Argie comments on Climate Change.

They use cold days as proof that it doesn't exist. But on a day like when New York was having record warmth for December they tend to remain quiet.

January 7, 2014 @ 10:56 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@ McNulty

Good guess, but wrong. phew! is not OJ Boy.

No more guesses... I'm going to do my friend a favour and keep him anonymous.

January 7, 2014 @ 10:58 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Team Canada announced live right now right here: http://www.tsn.ca/live/hockeycanada/

January 7, 2014 @ 11:00 AM

Argie

@McNulty
I'm not discarding climate change completely. I just thought it was ironic that the idiot protester did it during this unbearable cold spell.

Actually its not just these recent cold days. I heard recently last winter was colder than the previous one. First time in a while.

January 7, 2014 @ 11:04 AM

markosaar

@Oscar,

Just heard Humble say on today's podcast that Todd is going to court over what happened to him and can't discuss it until after.

January 7, 2014 @ 11:15 AM

Speysidephil

To the global warming / climate change alarmists.
BAH HUMBUG! Isn't it ironic that the expedition to the Antarctic got stuck in the ice that they were investigating because of the receding ice? Huh?
Historically , these conditions have all happened before, it's cyclical , that's why we keep records.
Really getting tired of the excuses the alarmists give when things don't go their way.

January 7, 2014 @ 11:26 AM

Cheryl

My Habs won last night 2 to 1. That's great. Hopefully my Coyotes and Suns will win tonight. PK Subban did make Team Canada. That's great. PK is the best defenseman.

Well, my trainer's team is curling in challenge round this weekend, but there will be a spare on there. My trainer won't be curling. I don't know how they'll do or anything like that. I don't know if my trainer will go to Provincials or a spare will go to Provincials if they win. Oh well, in a way I want them to win, but I don't really want to miss any more workouts soon either. Oh well, it's tough to win in that anyway. It could happen though. Provincials is far this year. It's in Smith Falls. I don't know if he would go if they make it or if a spare would go. Anyway, we'll see after the weekend is over.

January 7, 2014 @ 11:31 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Speysidephil

You climate change skeptics come across as awfully arrogant.

Here's a nice little explanation from Time as to why global warming makes the occasional bout of extreme cold weather more likely: http://science.time.com/2014/01/06/climate-change-driving-cold-weather/

Regarding climate change, there is now scientific consensus. Scientists are more certain we humans are causing climate change then they are that smoking causes cancer.

The debate is over and it doesn't require you to believe in it for it to be true.

January 7, 2014 @ 11:45 AM

4x4 Time

Just heard that this August will have 5 Saturdays and Sundays. Apparently will never happen again in our lifetimes.

January 7, 2014 @ 11:55 AM

Argie

@Mike
Okay then, even if we all believe in global warming what the hell do we do about it? Can you confidently tell us how us awful humans (except China & India) can reverse this supposed trend of warming temperatures? Sorry, it can't be done.

January 7, 2014 @ 11:57 AM

markosaar

@Speysidephil,

Bad news: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/conservative-mp-peter-braid-says-extreme-weather-and-climate-change-linked-1.2486494

If even the Conservative Party is coming around, who's left to vote for?

January 7, 2014 @ 11:57 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

That's the hard part.

I do my best to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That's something I can do personally, and each of you can do.

What's dangerous is the number of people (and governments) who have chosen to deny science. It's one thing when @Speysidephil does it, it's another when a national leader does it.

January 7, 2014 @ 12:01 PM

Mookie

@4x4 Time

Unless you are forecasting the world to end by this October, we will indeed see 5 weekend months again...in Nov 2014.

I can't imagine this is that rare, all you need is a 31 day month which ends on a Sunday or Monday. Or even a 30 day month which ends on a Sunday.

Or am I missing something?

January 7, 2014 @ 12:16 PM

4X4 Time

@ Mookie - Haha, not sure, I guess I should not believe everything I hear on CBC radio, but they did reference August specifically, so who knows, maybe other months it is common..

January 7, 2014 @ 12:41 PM

Corey

How is it "arrogant" to question the validity of climate change projections when the research behind it is continually incorrect? Before everyone jumps all over me, and labels me a "denier" let me clarify - I'm trying to present this on behalf of the "every man" or layperson that is a casual consumer of news and doesn't delve deep into issues - probably the vast majority of regular folks.

Now, when Al Gore was telling everyone who would listen back in the mid-2000s that we should expect the polar ice cap to have completely melted by now, and yet it hasn't, and has in fact increased since last year, what are you supposed to think?

When the dire predictions about rapid warmth were first being published (remember when we were calling it "Global Warming" instead of "Climate Change") didn't happen, and global temperatures basically remained level for 15 years starting in 1997, what are you supposed to think?

When they claimed the earth today is the warmest it has ever been in 1300 years, and then discovered that Whoops! it was actually at least as warm or maybe warmer in 900 AD, when the total global population was in the hundreds of millions, instead of billions, and we weren't burning fossil fuels, what are you supposed to think?

When IPCC report published last year basically states they didn't predict the increase in Arctic ice, and basically have no idea why it happened ("In conclusion there is low
confidence in the scientific understanding of the observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent since 1979,
due to the large differences between sea-ice simulations from CMIP5 models and to the incomplete and
competing scientific explanations for the causes of change...") what are you supposed to think?

Basically when what the public is hearing about climate change continually seems to either not happen, or is revised, it starts to degrade credibility. It seems more arrogant to me to tell people, "Yeah, their models are always wrong, and so far claims have been exaggerated or wrong, but so what? They're scientists! Change your life now!!!"

January 7, 2014 @ 1:10 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Corey

When scientific consensus is reached, it's arrogant to think you know better.

January 7, 2014 @ 1:11 PM

Corey

@Mike -

You realize you sound exactly like a hard-line Christian or Muslim right now? The IPCC publishes the gospel, even when they admit they don't understand what's happening. Blind faith, and all that, right? Science is your religion, isn't it?

Again, to reiterate, I'm not suggesting I know better. I'm only providing reasons why people have questions and might be sceptical.

January 7, 2014 @ 1:26 PM

Argie

@Mike
Its Okay, we all have to believe in something. I believe Jesus is the son of God and you believe Calgary will be a desert in a few years.

January 7, 2014 @ 1:32 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Corey

That comparison doesn't hold water.

Religion is man-made. It's completely based on blind faith.

Scientific consensus is normally achieved through communication at conferences, the publication process, replication (reproducible results by others) and peer review.

January 7, 2014 @ 1:32 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Corey

By the way, I made my first appearance on Humble and Fred's podcast since I told them you weren't very bright. You'll be pleased to know I didn't slag you this time.

I appear at 1:19.

http://handf.corefusion.net/january-07-2014.mp3

January 7, 2014 @ 1:34 PM

Douglas

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have/has anyone seen the Fall BBM report for Toronto radio?

January 7, 2014 @ 1:37 PM

McNulty

I've decided I don't believe in gravity. Science is wrong.

Just because there is a mountain of proof doesn't make it so.

I once saw something not fall on the ground. Proof right there gravity doesn't exist.

January 7, 2014 @ 1:55 PM

Corey

@Mike -

Of course it holds water.

"Religion is man-made." What, is science divinely inspired?

"Scientific consensus is normally achieved through communication at conferences, the publication process, replication (reproducible results by others) and peer review." All of which are subject to the usual human failings (greed, jealousy, fear). Once, some scientists tried to claim smoking wasn't harmful, or that they had successfully achieved cold fusion.

The American Meteorological Society published a peer-reviewed paper (based on results of a survey of their 7,000+ "smart people who devote their lives to such things")just this year that seems to dispute the idea of a true consensus, and paints a picture of hostility and labelling of members who don't agree that climate change is man-made as being incompetents:
"A substantial number of expert AMS members – 22% of the most expert group in our sample – do not subscribe to the position that global warming is mostly human-caused. Any suggestion that all those with non-majority views simply need to be “educated” is inaccurate and likely to be insulting to a substantial number of AMS members."

If you take the findings of this one organizations findings, it's not hard to imagine that there are a certain percentage of scientists who might not be willing to risk damaging their careers by being insulted and having their expertise called into question by their peers.

January 7, 2014 @ 2:00 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Corey

It's the "blind faith" part that makes it almost the polar opposite of scientific consensus.

January 7, 2014 @ 2:19 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - to Quote Agent K from Men in Black

"3,000 years ago people "knew" that the earth was the centre of the universe. 500 years ago people "knew" the earth was flat. Yesterday you "knew" that man was the only intelligent life on this planet.....imagine what you'll "know" tomorrow."

I get that that is a line from a cheesy sci-fi movie, but it still hold weight.

I'm not saying I don't believe in Global Warming...I do. I'm just saying "Scientific Consensus" does not a fact make.

Oh, and it is again very arrogant of you to, again, write religion off as "Man Made". More people believe in God that Global Warming

...how's that for consensus?

January 7, 2014 @ 2:21 PM

Corey

@McNulty -

Thanks for the analogy.

If Newton had tried to prove to people that gravity existed, yet every time he demonstrated it, the object floated away, he would have had a very hard time convincing anyone.

This is the public's perception of climate change scientists at this point. A poll by the Washington Post found that only 26% of people trusted what scientists had to say about climate change, compared to 32% in 2007.

January 7, 2014 @ 2:21 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Philly-Bob

The most arrogant thing imaginable is that you know god created the entire universe just for the benefit of humans. You believe he watches you constantly and cares about everything you say and do. You know how he wants you and everyone else to behave and believe. You believe he is perfect and just, which is why you face an eternity of either bliss or torture, depending on whether or not you believe in him.

That's not only arrogant, it's crazy.

January 7, 2014 @ 2:31 PM

Declan

People believe plenty of stupid things:

Conspiracy theories
Astrology
Anti-vaccination movements
Psychics
Creationism
Rob Ford

January 7, 2014 @ 2:39 PM

Lyle Lanley

Before this gets out of hand, allow me to point out it's -17 and rising.

We're going to make it!

January 7, 2014 @ 2:48 PM

Argie

@Declan
Such a nice politically correct list, eh?
You can add the not so PC items to that list like:
Karma
The big Bang Theory
That you're born "that" way
Justin Trudeau
Nelson Mandela

January 7, 2014 @ 2:50 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - Actually, I believe very few of those things. I believe there is more to life than what we see, and no religion has gotten it quite right yet.

However many members of my family are very Religious, and I have seen them get strength and comfort from that. Who are you to tell them they are wrong.

I don't think I've ever seriously disagreed with you on anything here. You and I are pretty like-minded on most subjects. However, you get on Argie's case about his intolerance. To my eye, you are every bit as intolerant of people who believe in God as Argie is of the Muslims or Gays.

You don't attack religion, Argie doesn't attack Gays. Both of you just believe the people who partake in those respective lifestyles are wrong. And you both are militant in your defence of your views....

I could be wrong and look forward to a rebuttal.

January 7, 2014 @ 2:53 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Argie- wow man....every time I try to see your side of things, you post something stupid like that.

What could you possibly have against Nelson Mandella??

January 7, 2014 @ 2:54 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Philly-Bob

It sounds like you agree with me. Religion is man-made.

January 7, 2014 @ 2:55 PM

McNulty

@ Bob

The examples you chose from MIB were theories based on religion. With maybe the exception could be the world being flat, but everything else was really religious beliefs getting in the way of science.

Find me proof that God exists and you can use it against me.

But you can't. God only exists through faith. Proof would invalidate the faith. It's the perfect solution to never having to prove it.

January 7, 2014 @ 2:58 PM

Argie

@Phil
"Attack gays?"
I only stated its not a fact that all gay people are born gay. When or if there's no proof of it, you can let me know.

As for Mandela, it will take awhile but if you look read up on the facts of his early life, you might understand why I don't think he's this Christ-like figure the media made him out to be.

I admire his courage and the way he changed from being a domestic terrorist to a leader who believed in a non-violent way to change the policies of his govt.

However, if you consider him a hero you must also consider the members of the IRA who bombed and killed in the name of Irish independence. Personally, I don't consider the IRA heroes nor do I Mandela.

January 7, 2014 @ 3:04 PM

Corey

You are correct Mike. Put that way, it IS crazy. Despite the impression I might have given in my last comments about climate change, I actually believe in science and scientists.

I believe we're made of atoms - essentially star dust. Carbon, hydrogen etc., that persist over the millennia. That mourning dove I'm looking at outside my window could have a carbon atom in it that was once a part of Cleopatra or Gandhi. Cool. Logically then, the human species is no more special than anything else on the planet.

I believe in Einstein's theory of special relativity, which means we'll never be able to attain close to light speed, which means we're essentially earth-bound.

I believe in the Doomsday argument that states there here is a 95% chance of extinction of the human race within 9,120 years.

I believe the Sun will burn out, and probably engulf the Earth when it does.

In short, we're here by chance, everything here is made of of the same shared elements that get redistributed randomly, and we're doomed as a species one way or another. Given that, why I should care about global warming, or even about another person is a bit of a mystery.

January 7, 2014 @ 3:08 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Corey

In the real-world, we'd either be great friends or we'd totally hate each other.

I can't tell which one it would be.

January 7, 2014 @ 3:17 PM

Argie

@phil
OK I went back and actually read your post. I realize you're weren't accusing me of "attacking" gays. Sorry, my bad.

January 7, 2014 @ 3:19 PM

Liz

@Toronto Mike

Just listened to the podcast - great job with the fellas today, Mike!

January 7, 2014 @ 3:25 PM

Liz

Whoa, what's gone on here today? No one have any work to do?

January 7, 2014 @ 3:28 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Liz

Thanks! It was quite the way to start 2014.

January 7, 2014 @ 4:31 PM

Dawn Keibals

All things in the world are right now.Charges against Goldberg have been flushed.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/01/07/peeing-charges-against-mighty-ducks-goldberg-dismissed

January 7, 2014 @ 5:13 PM


Liz


Hey Mike,

Earlier you wrote,

@Corey

In the real-world, we'd either be great friends or we'd totally hate each other.

I can't tell which one it would be.

Well, I'm pretty sure which side I've come down on!

January 7, 2014 @ 6:04 PM


Liz

Well, considering one of you is a total loon, I'm thinking it's an oil and water scenario.

January 7, 2014 @ 6:44 PM

Corey

@Liz -

The fact that Mike cycles in the winter does not make him a loon.

January 7, 2014 @ 7:07 PM

Speysidephil

@Liz

Well that's not very nice Liz calling Mike a loon.
Just because he won't debate the so called science of climate change doesn't mean you have to get nasty.
LOL.

January 7, 2014 @ 7:13 PM

Liz

@Corey @Speysidephil

Too funny!

January 7, 2014 @ 7:23 PM

Corey

So I decided to check out sowny.ca to see what the reaction to the whole Blundell thing was. Would have expected more insight from a radio geek site. As an aside, is that the last site on the internet to still use frames??? Mike, can't you help the poor old bastards? :)

January 7, 2014 @ 9:51 PM

markosaar

@Corey, don't know, but I'm quite fond of this bit of cutting-edge web-design:

http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

(I'm serious in the sense that it looks great for the year.)

January 8, 2014 @ 7:41 AM

this guest

why care about extinction or crawling up a hill with two pieces of bread in a sock while telling your kids to keep their heads down
the universe is impersonal but the motivating intelligence is love
a total and terrible mystery

January 8, 2014 @ 9:17 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - No, I agree that the BIBLE is man made, but possibly divinely influenced.

Again, I believe there is more to life than what we see. I don't think there is some happy, loving grey haired man sitting on a cloud watching everything we do, but I do believe there is something more. We might be nothing more than the science project for a higher form of life (would not an ant see you or I as a God?). Or it may truly be some form of deity who is waiting for us in the afterlife.

My point was, from everything I've ever heard form you on the subject. That somehow you are "smarter" than those who do believe and that is both egotistical and insulting. My grandmother died at Age 87 KNOWING that she would be reunited with her husband, and the 2 sons who went before her. Who are you to tell her she was wrong, how do you KNOW?

You ask others here to keep an open mind about homosexual rights or climate change or if Riemer is the better of the two goalies. But, to my eye, you are as intolerant of religion (Christianity specifically) as Argie is of homosexuality.

January 8, 2014 @ 12:01 PM

Argie

@Phil
There's nothing wrong with being intolerant of something you don't feel is right. Its up to Mike as to what or who he's intolerant of just as its up to me or you.

January 8, 2014 @ 12:11 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Philly-Bob

You wrote "I do believe there is something more". I don't know there's not "something more". I do know religion is fiction, prayers are not being answered by a deity and your grandmother was not reunited with her husband and two sons when she passed. I'm sorry.

I think people who believe their religion is the one true religion and based on fact are naive. I think it's sad that so many people seem to need this crutch to get through life.

You're welcome to comment here about the bible or religion or god and I'm welcome to think you're unable to shake off the brainwashing you received as a child.

If I were to introduce to you the concept of heaven and hell when you're an adult, you'd laugh it off as ridiculous. People only believe such silliness because it's what they're taught as a toddler by the people they trust most.

I was taught this as well. I now think for myself.

January 8, 2014 @ 12:20 PM

Argie

@Mike
Cam I ask you a question? Who presided over your marriage ceremony?

January 8, 2014 @ 12:40 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

This lovely officiant:

January 8, 2014 @ 12:44 PM

Argie

@Mike
Is she a Minister?

January 8, 2014 @ 12:53 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

She can legally marry people, so she's got to be affiliated with some church because she's not a justice of the peace. I have no idea what her title or affiliation is... there wasn't a single reference to god or religion in the entire ceremony.

She was very good. Here she is announcing us husband and wife!

January 8, 2014 @ 12:58 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - No reason to apologize, and I'm really not offended, but how do you know my grandmother was not reunited? How do you know there is no afterlife?

"There are more things in heaven and hell then are dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio" - Hamlet Act I Scene V

January 8, 2014 @ 12:59 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Philly-Bob

I know because heaven is the product of human imagination.

January 8, 2014 @ 1:04 PM

Argie

@Mike
No reference to God??? How the hell can you call it a marriage ceremony then?

January 8, 2014 @ 1:17 PM

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@Argie

All because you have a different definition of marriage doesn't mean we all have to follow suit.

Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two persons to the exclusion of all others.

January 8, 2014 @ 1:20 PM

Corey

Wow. Not a single mention yet of Rob Ford's approval rating being up 5 points. I understand why the Star didn't run that bit of news, but I thought for sure speyside or someone would have mentioned it by now. Guess I'll stir the pot...

January 8, 2014 @ 1:34 PM


Philly-Bob

@ Mike - I agree with you and the Lawful union part.

But please, tell me how you know that Heaven is the product of Human imagination.

Again, I'm not talking about the "eternal paradise" described in the bible...I'm talking about an afterlife in general...cause I do happen to believe there is one in some shape or form (spirituality...not religion there is a difference)

How do you KNOW (your opinion on this subject is not fact, any more than mine or Argie's are)

January 8, 2014 @ 1:38 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Corey - C'mon, we were having a nice civil conversation about religion (no one ever gets worked up about religion, right??) And you gotta bring Ford into this :P

January 8, 2014 @ 1:39 PM

Argie

FORD MORE YEARS! (get it, "Ford" sounds like "four"???)

January 8, 2014 @ 1:51 PM

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@Philly Bob

We are all made up of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, phosphorus,potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium.

When we die, we begin to decompose. Consciousness stops fully, completely and immediately.

I believe the soul is imaginary as there is zero evidence a soul (or afterlife) exists. A complete lack of evidence and general science-based common sense assures me your grandmother did not reunite with her dead husband after she passed.

January 8, 2014 @ 1:52 PM

McNulty

Not that Mike needs it….

But you jump on him for saying there is no afterlife and it’s arrogant of him to say otherwise since he can’t prove it isn’t so. It’s not his job to prove a negative. That’s like asking you to prove I can’t time travel. I won’t give you any proof I can but I’ll challenge you to prove that I can’t. And don’t ask me to actually travel in time, just prove that I can’t.

I have no problem if you want to believe in Heaven or God or Jesus or that Jesus was God or Jesus was God’s only son. If it enriches your life and makes hard days easier and great days better, then enjoy it. However, it’s when religion is used in politics or as a tool in infringe on the rights of others that I have an issue. And that happens all too often. Argie uses it as a reason to ban two people from getting married. That’s where the problems start.


But seriously…if God exists…prove it.

January 8, 2014 @ 1:53 PM

Ben Vidal

@Corey: What newspaper were you reading? Yesterday the globe and mail had an article/video out on their website indicating his re-election chances were not promising based on a recent poll.

Stir the pot with that one?

January 8, 2014 @ 1:55 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - Okay, agree to disagree on this one. I point you back to Act I Scene V of Hamlet.

Thankfully, I am a firm believer that your actions, and not your beliefs are what you are judged by, so you should be fine either way.

But...you'll owe me a beer on the other side when you see you are wrong :)

January 8, 2014 @ 2:10 PM

Corey

@Ben -

I didn't read it , I heard it on the radio. However a quick google search provided this, if you're interested:

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ford-s-approval-rating-up-5-per-cent-after-ice-storm-poll-1.1628761

Sorry, but I didn't create the poll, or it's results.

January 8, 2014 @ 2:11 PM


Corey

@Phil -

Just out of curiosity, what does Hamlet have to do with any of this?

January 8, 2014 @ 2:17 PM

Argie

@McNulty
I mostly agree with you but the one issue is that I don't see marriage as a "right". Food, shelter, safety from harm, medical care are rights everyone should have - no argument from me.

Getting married is a privilege - of course the Supreme Court of Cda disagrees with me but whatever.

January 8, 2014 @ 2:28 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Corey - I used the following quote to try and make a point with Mike

"There are more things in heaven and hell then are dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio" - Hamlet Act I Scene V

January 8, 2014 @ 2:31 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Argie - Yes, but as I recall, your issue isn't with homosexual couples entering into an exclusive legal union, with all the insurance, tax, and power of decision benefits that hetro couples enjoy. You just have issue with it being called a marriage.

While I disagree with you, I'm not going to get hung up on semantics. Call it a farfignewton for all I care, as long as they have the same rights.

January 8, 2014 @ 2:33 PM

Argie

@Phil
Of course Bill was devout Catholic along with being a playwright.

January 8, 2014 @ 2:36 PM

Speysidephil

OK , I'll bite. Ford will be elected Mayor this October.
His platform is untouchable.

January 8, 2014 @ 3:10 PM

McNulty

@ Speyside

His character is not.

January 8, 2014 @ 3:12 PM

Philly-Bob

@ ARgie - Actually, Catholicism was banned in England at the time, and there are conflicting texts on that subject. Some claim his mother was a devout catholic, others claim her Family was, but she renounced when she married John Shakespeare....

January 8, 2014 @ 3:13 PM

RS

@ Argie (13:17)

Not that Mike needs my help, but marriage existed long before Christianity.

January 8, 2014 @ 3:23 PM

Argie

@RS
Where did I say its only a "Christian ritual"? Its a religious sacrament.

January 8, 2014 @ 3:36 PM

Speysidephil

@McNulty

Hahaha I agree, but that apparently doesn't matter to Ford Nation, and frankly it wouldn't matter to me if Ford is the only to carry the Austerity Platform.

January 8, 2014 @ 3:58 PM

RS

@Argie

You referenced God in your comment @ 13:17. Going by previous posts made by you, I thought you were Christian (if I am wrong, I apologize). One does not need to believe in God to be married. 'Marriage' is not exclusive to Christianity, or other religions for that matter.

January 8, 2014 @ 4:37 PM

Cheryl

Well, big win for my Coyotes. Shutout for Thomas Greiss 6 to 0. They should use him all the time. Mike Smith is too inconsistent. Well, Team Canada will win a medal for sure. PK Subban will score lots. Carey Price is on there as well. They will win a medal. You'll see.

My Suns lost last night though. That's no good. My Habs will win tonight. Good the Leafs lost last night.

I see my trainer tomorrow. I wonder how his team will do in challenge round. Well, I would have to miss more workouts if this happens, but it would be nice if they made provincials and he went, but who knows.

January 8, 2014 @ 4:41 PM

dale

@ Cheryl

DO you realize Mike Smith is one of Team Canada's Olympic goalies & you have given up on him? Maybe Thomas Greiss should take his spot beside Luongo & Price instead.

January 8, 2014 @ 6:20 PM

McNulty

@Speyside

For the most part I agree with his platform (lack of money for a subway aside) but the job requires more than just a platform based on saving money.

But his character effects his job. That's the problem.

January 8, 2014 @ 7:45 PM

Corey

I just stumbled across this article today via digg.com titled, "Over Time Buddhism and Science Agree", that basically echoes what I was trying to say earlier this week about all life being temporary, random, and based on shared elements regardless of species.

"Unlike Christ, who promises eternal life, the last words of the Buddha reportedly began, “Decay is inherent in all things.”
But even decay—an unavoidable consequence of time impacting the real world—isn’t something to regret. As the Vietnamese Buddhist monk and scholar, Thich Nhat Hanh, put it, impermanence (anitya) is intimately tied to continuity. “Look back,” he counsels, “and you will see that you not only exist in your father and mother, but you also exist in your grandparents and in your great grandparents.” Look again, and you will see we “have been gas, sunshine, water, fungi, and plants,” he writes. “Nothing can be born and also nothing can die.” To understand this, and to do so deep in our ever-changing bones, may forever change our sense of time and what it means to participate in life on earth."

Huh. I'm a Buddhist. Imagine that.

January 9, 2014 @ 12:24 PM

Cheryl

Well, Smith is not that good anymore. They should play Greiss more. Yes, Smith is on the Olympic Team, but Price will hopefully play more games. Gold medal for Team Canada, here we come.

My trainer is doing fine. Lots of uninterrupted sleep though. He says Carter sleeps a lot during the day, but then he is up all night. Anyway, he doesn't want to be away from his wife and Carter all weekend long so that's why he isn't in challenge round. Oh well, it's going to be tough. That pesky team Frans is in it unfortunately. They'll probably get one of the spots. I hope not though, but they probably will. Two spots can be claimed so maybe my trainer and Frans wins it.

January 9, 2014 @ 6:01 PM

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