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Senate vs Conbots. Best rat session ever. harper. The next mulroney

October 29, 2013 @ 9:19 AM

Fake Grass

1. First!

2. You can actually get sued by the Canadian Legion for using the poppy symbol without explicit written permission.


October 29, 2013 @ 9:20 AM

Fake Grass

Damn... I was sure I was first.


And Third!

October 29, 2013 @ 9:20 AM


I'm not the biggest Harper fan but it seems he can't win with whiny liberals. When he takes a strong stand against these parasite Senators, he's the one who's guilty. If he had shut his mouth, the scandal would have went away and the libs would be accusing him of covering it up.

The crooks here are those fat cat (literally) senators, not Harper. Is Harper completely clean? Probably not. Mind you only Mulclair is the one who wants to get rid of the Senate. I agree with him.

October 29, 2013 @ 9:27 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Fake Grass

I actually did hear of this... the Legion sends a "cease and desist" if you post a poppy without their permission.

I've decided to do it anyway. If they ask me to take it down, I'll put up a different poppy. Afterall, they can't copyright a flower, can they?

October 29, 2013 @ 9:31 AM



I'm not hearing a whole lot of Harper bashing over this Senate controversy. Yes, it's a scandal he has to deal with, but Toronto Mike hasn't even written about it once.

I'm not hearing a lot of whining is what I'm saying, and I'm not sure 'whining' is the right word here. What did he know and when did he know it?

October 29, 2013 @ 9:34 AM


There have been a few posts pretty much stating that Harper is as guilty as the BIG 3 (that's my new name for them - get it?). Not from Mike (our usual whiny liberal) but from a few others here. Also, I don't just mean whiny liberals from this blog - but other popular mainstream media.

October 29, 2013 @ 9:49 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie: Sorry sir, but Harper deserves everything he gets here. His story continues to change daily. From no one had any idea, to a small group of people. Or even his acceptance of Nigels resignation. First it was travesty that he accepted. Next it's I demanded he resign.

Harper needs to decide which side of his mouth he's going to talk out of.

The problem doesn't just sit with Harper, but the entire PMO office.

Duffy may be a weasel, but he's taking down a ship full of rats.

October 29, 2013 @ 10:06 AM

4x4 Time

After following and hearing our esteemed Senate representatives these past few weeks week, I have determined I can do a much better job of lying, cheating, deceiving, ignore, waste, deny and look confused and hurt than any of these current chumps. Clearly this must be the resume required to be in the Senate, and from what I can see they are amateurs. Where do I sign up?
I am looking forward to joining the ranks of these elitists and living off your tax dollars the rest of my life. If you have any specific issues you would like me to table in Senate sub-committees, keep them to yourself, I am only in this for the money and retirement benefits. If you want to rent my “Ottawa Residence” I will expense, let me know.

October 29, 2013 @ 10:21 AM


@ 4x4
You forgot to mention, you only need to show up for work about 20 days a year.

October 29, 2013 @ 10:28 AM

Ken U Barret

I sure hope Rob Ford does not start to show flu symptoms today.
This Open Mike could hit 200 comments.

October 29, 2013 @ 1:27 PM


any store caught using the phrase "Halloween Boo-nanza" in their advertising should have their business taken away and then arrested.

October 29, 2013 @ 1:42 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I almost named this entry Open Mike Boo-nanza.

October 29, 2013 @ 1:45 PM

Lyle Lanley

@Ken U Barret

Rob Ford is already a virus.

October 29, 2013 @ 1:46 PM


Since we're heading in a Ford direction how about that empty-headed opportunist Karen Stintz running for mayor? Listen to her interviews - compared to her, Ford sounds like a Rhodes Scholar.

October 29, 2013 @ 2:04 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie: you are joking right?

October 29, 2013 @ 2:15 PM


Argie. Im running for mayor.

October 29, 2013 @ 2:34 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I'm not a big Stintz backer and I don't think she can win this election, but when I hear her speak she's clearly more intelligent than Robbie.

No doubt about it... but then again, my 9-year old daughter comes across smarter than Robbie.

October 29, 2013 @ 2:40 PM


Good luck.

She's an airhead. Full of clichés and extremely vague about her policies. Bill Carroll asked her a ton of good questions and all of her replies pretty much echoed what Ford believes in. When Carroll pressed, she couldn't articulate how she was different from Ford.

She'll be backed strongly by the establishment (she's well connected) but come debate time, she'll wilt under the pressure.

October 29, 2013 @ 2:57 PM


John Tory is the only viable opponent for Ford. However, if there's one thing Tory is good at, its losing. Somehow he'll manage to blow it.

October 29, 2013 @ 2:58 PM


You want to guarantee a Ford win, let Olivia run for Mayor.
Talk about an airhead.

October 29, 2013 @ 3:18 PM



First thing I will do is cut property taxes for any 416 based business. I will also privatize all Toronto city services. Then I'll rejig the property tax system so that those in the 'burbs stop getting subsidized. I will ensure that Toronto has lower corporate taxes & ease of business than ANY surrounding area.

To make up for loss in revenue, I'll create a congestion tax. Live in the 905 and work in Toronto? Well you're a freeloader so you'll pay your fair share. It's not my fault you moved 45 miles from work. You earn your good income in Toronto but pay jack shit to keep the city running.

As for the TTC all expansion will be put on hold. The focus will be fixing the current system and until it's on hold, expansion won't happen. You don't expand a failing business, so why would I expand a failing transit system. Once it was fixed, I'd change the transit system to work like in Vancouver (fare zones). You pay by distance. For developers, I'd offer serious tax incentives to develop along subway lines. This increases density & will encourage transit use which gets ridership up. I'd also look at putting in all types of service businesses into subway stations. Why can't subway stations have dry cleaners, restaurants & other services. Oh and I'd work on building an immediate LRT to the airport. Only a backwater doesn't have transit access to the airport. The cab drivers will want my head but such is life.

And if the province and federal government refuse to work with me, then discussions of the 11th province will start happening. As a province Tornoto could become a second Alberta. Densely populated, it's costs would be much lower than elsewhere (like Hong Kong). I'd be free to set my own tax rates & my own PST where I could keep ALL the money for my OWN services.

October 29, 2013 @ 3:21 PM


Holy crap, Irv, I like some of your ideas.

October 29, 2013 @ 3:38 PM

Al Reda

This is definitely a spooky open mike.

Irv's running for mayor with Argie's support.

October 29, 2013 @ 3:59 PM



I would allow neighborhoods to create BRZ's (Business Revitalization Zones). It's an idea that Klein did. It gives the community & it's residents some sway on who sets up shop in their neighborhood. So the Chinese, Italians, Greeks & the Gays could take control over their neighborhoods. This will encourage "enclaves" like the Gay Village or Chinatown which, in turn, are very good for tourism. You don't go to the GTA to visit Square One, you go to see Chinatown, The Danforth, etc. The residents of these "villages" have first say on who/what happens in their neighborhoods. My job is to clean the streets & ensure our contractors pick up garbage on time. It's YOUR neighborhood, not mine.

Any serious infrastructure will be modeled after Vancouver. If we build a major road, it will be a toll road until the costs of construction are covered. After that it becomes "free" much like the Coquihalla Highway in BC. The Island airport would be free to remain open until the LRT link to Pearson is built and it would then be recreational only. I would also use the major docks downtown to build ferry terminals. The idea would be to have commuters use ferries versus GO Trains to get to work.

Tourists would be offered free transit service & free parking at all city lots (out of province plates only). Please, park your car, take my bus and spend your money in my city.

As for city council, all members would be required to post all expensed transactions online. Councillors would be required to reply to all resident inquiries within a specific amount of time. If this required more staff, we would up the staff count. YOU pay taxes, YOU have the RIGHT to an answer. In the case of serious breaches of trust an election would be called in that ward within 120 days. We teach our kids to take responsibility for ourselves, well then our politicians can do it too.

And I would scrap ALL Toronto area civic worker & politician/alderman pensions & replace them with yearly RRSP payouts.

AND..ALL alderman and the mayor would be required to ride on public transit on a "frequent basis". YOU make the decisions about transit so YOU can go stand on the fucking subway with the people that pay for it.

October 29, 2013 @ 4:11 PM

Mississauga Phil


October 29, 2013 @ 4:14 PM


Irv for PM. I guess that would be okay. I don't know if Stints is better than Ford. She sounds bad as well. I don't know. I would love to have George Smitherman run again though.

How about those Habs. They won last night over the Rangers. The Rangers had a home opener so there was a long stupid ceremony before the game, but my Habs won 2 to 0.

My trainer is curling this weekend. My trainer will win this. I say that because none of the other teams in this spiel in cookstown are that good so my trainer's team is going to win it.

October 29, 2013 @ 4:57 PM



I would have sued your hosting site if you used "Open Mike Spook-tacular"

October 29, 2013 @ 5:26 PM


I'm officially done with politics and participating in this broken, stupid system. I've traditionally been a right-of-centre type, and I've voted Conservative the past couple elections, believing Harpers promises of accountability and commitment to transparency. Then my MP was revealed to be a reckless sleaze all, and the Conservatives are starting to look like the fascist control freaks the lefties warned us about. I can't do it anymore. We play this same sick game over and over and the results are always the same. The honeymoon period ends, and whatever government that is put in power eventually descends into corruption, lies and deceit.
I'll spoil my ballot rather than be completely apathetic, but none of these fuckers are getting my vote ever again.
I guess I can thank Mr. Harper for being the straw that broke this camels back.

October 29, 2013 @ 5:29 PM


Much like the attacks on Ford. Dont believe everything that is said by the media or what is said on this blog.
Harper has been very consistent with regards to Duffy, Wallin and the other guy.
Just listen to his responses in question period.
The left wing media, (is there anything else these days) is out to get Harper and tries to distort everything he says.
There is an anti conservative bias in the media these days, not only here but in the U.S. As well.
Hang in there Corey, your vote and every vote will count.

October 29, 2013 @ 5:41 PM


re: Irv's Toronto ideas.
We already have a diesel rail line being developed from Pearson Airport to Union Station (and detouring slightly north to 2nd-tier NW mall / slots and triple-tracked horse racing site). IMHO it is doomed since Union Station is at one geographical extreme while Pearson is at the NW edge. There is also a lack of a Brampton continuation. We need to shift some of the Union Station hubbed commuter connections to the LCBO refurbished Summerhill rail station centrally north of Bloor St.
We have BIAs 'Business Improvement Areas'. In my Parkdale High Park neighbourhood this means annual street closure weekends for a couple of ethnic groups. For the rest of year these local arterial roads have often been reduced from 4 to 2 lanes while new Condo buildings and Townhomes have been tightly and rapidly built-in the area.

I have a ton of ideas to improve Toronto myself.

October 29, 2013 @ 6:12 PM


We also a toll highway (407) immediately north of Toronto. Since 1999 and a 100-year lease giveaway by the Ont. PCs (while claiming to balance their yearly budget - after segregating Hydro and Welfare costs) this over-priced toll highway is still vastly under volumed by traffic. The free and parallel 401 highway continues to exist as a traffic jam from Oshawa through Mississauga.

October 29, 2013 @ 6:19 PM


@Speysidephil -

Actually the senate scandal is the least of my concerns as far as this government is concerned. Harper appointed these three spectacular dimwits, he should have expected to get egg on his face. Who knows, maybe these appointees were chosen as part of a master plan to get the Senate abolished once and for all. It seems to me that everything has turned into this strategic game to try and keep ahead of the opposition instead of truly focusing on an open and sound, pragmatic government. It's telling that both the Liberals and NDP are extremely weak, inept parties, but are still coming up as favourable options to many.

Nope, I'm weary of the whole thing. It sounds trite, but you can't trust any of them. I'm starting to sound like an Occupier, but interestingly, the older I get, the more I'm starting to appreciate their perspective.

October 29, 2013 @ 6:19 PM


We also have a toll highway (407) immediately north of Toronto. Since 1999 and a 100-year lease giveaway by the Ont. PCs (while claiming to balance their yearly budget - after segregating Hydro and Welfare costs) this over-priced toll highway is still vastly under volumed by traffic. The free and parallel 401 highway continues to exist as a traffic jam from Oshawa through Mississauga.

October 29, 2013 @ 6:19 PM


@CQ -

The 407 is deliberately "under volumed"(?). They set the toll prices very carefully to ensure maximum profit while ensuring the highway never becomes busy enough to slow it down. Kind of the point of an "Express Toll Route".

October 29, 2013 @ 6:22 PM

4x4 Time

What is the best way to accomodate Bike Traffic in Toronto?

October 29, 2013 @ 6:32 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Corey: I'm with you, from the provincial Liberals BS to the Senate BS etc., it is getting to be just one huge fuster cluck. Just can't wait to claim my $12,000 a year pension in 15 years.
Maybe I can move into one of those lakeside TCHC condos when I retire.

October 29, 2013 @ 6:35 PM


@ Corey 18:22
Yes. The 407 is deliberately under-volumed. Heavy volume maintence goes to the 401 upkeep. From my past direct experience, any comparison to a variety of U.S. toll highways is laughable as to its pricing.
BTW, a former accounting manager of the 407 was convicted of stealing and gambling approx. a million dollars. When released after her initial verdict she was reported to have visited one of our provincial government casinos.

@ 4x4 Time.
Mississauga. Old lady Hazel is going out with a bang. Separated bike lanes are currently being paved* alongside a few of its bike-unfriendly and shoulderless six-lane arterial roads. They are also building a separated bus-way along the 403 highway.
Unfortunately Islington station is completely undeveloped for Mississauga transit usage; public washrooms closed since the TTC opened its Kipling station in 1979. And all in-coming commuters need to transfer outside of the small roadside Islington entrance rather than from within the sheltered bus bays' area. (And often I need to hop the TTC gate at Islington to purchase a set of five Miss. Transit tickets - rather than payout a pricey cash fare. Shoppers Drug Mart owns the ticket selling rights elsewhere. I was refused five tickets last Spring, despite the transit pricing signage found everywhere. When I have tickets already, I catch one of 20 odd routes from a dinky bus shelter immediately past Islington.)
Toronto remains a better overall fit for bicycles with its mass of minor grid styled residental roads.

* Watch out for the lazy construction work not levelling off these new pathways - as from side to side.

October 29, 2013 @ 6:59 PM


Agree 100%. As for me, I vote for the candidate and party that I hate the least. Sure,its been Harper the past few elections but he's governed like a Liberal and his style of pandering to minority groups reminded me of the sleazy vote buying Liberal party.

So yeah, I totally get where you're at now. As for the occupiers, sorry but they're still screwed in the head.

Of course, we now have a saviour in the one and only IRV! Who's with me???.......

October 29, 2013 @ 7:10 PM

Mississauga Phil

@Argie- hence why I've called for Irv to eun for PM. I've voted Harper in the past 2, and will hold my nose while doing so again to keep Trudeau out, but we need a new breed of politician...

October 29, 2013 @ 9:11 PM


@Argie -

Yeah, I'm not endorsing the Occupy movement, just saying I can now understand where this "disenfranchised" feeling is coming from. They may not have any solutions, or even a coherent stance, but the political climate is worse than it's ever been, and definitely frustrating.

October 29, 2013 @ 10:07 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Speyside: I'd love to know where you get your news or where you have become the authority on things to do with Canadian politics. Unfortunately you are also incorrect in stating that Harper has yet to be consistent in his story regarding the senate scandal. If you believe otherwise some form of proof would be good.

As for those who think Harper had no idea what was going on. Sorry that doesn't wash for a micro managing egotistical prime minister. When you name your government the Harper government you have no excuses. As Corey mentioned lets not forget he hand chose these losers. He did this after lying and saying he wouldn't do senate appointments. Sorry Speyside this is all on him. Oh and last time I checked the globe and mail gave a very glowing endorsement for The Conservative party in the last election. Wouldn't necessarily call them a left win rag.

It goes without saying that an office whether private or public; if a small group of people know a secret then you can bet your ass then most people know this company secret. Tough titties Harper

Oh and the conservatives are really showing the love to Canadians who get injured in our military. Good on Gen Kirkland for taking a stand.

October 30, 2013 @ 9:27 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Speyside: I'd love to know where you get your news or where you have become the authority on things to do with Canadian politics. Unfortunately you are also incorrect in stating that Harper has yet to be consistent in his story regarding the senate scandal. If you believe otherwise some form of proof would be good.

As for those who think Harper had no idea what was going on. Sorry that doesn't wash for a micro managing egotistical prime minister. When you name your government the Harper government you have no excuses. As Corey mentioned lets not forget he hand chose these losers. He did this after lying and saying he wouldn't do senate appointments. Sorry Speyside this is all on him. Oh and last time I checked the globe and mail gave a very glowing endorsement for The Conservative party in the last election. Wouldn't necessarily call them a left win rag.

It goes without saying that an office whether private or public; if a small group of people know a secret then you can bet your ass then most people know this company secret. Tough titties Harper

Oh and the conservatives are really showing the love to Canadians who get injured in our military. Good on Gen Kirkland for taking a stand.

October 30, 2013 @ 9:27 AM


@Ben Vidal
I am far from being an authority on Canadian Politics. I have an opinion like everyone else. The numerous clips I have seen of Question Period in the House , Harper has been very consistent in his answers to the opposition questions, re: the Senate Scandal.
No matter how he answers the Mulcairs and the media will twist it to suit their purpose.
I think you know how the opposition works.
Yep Harper appointed these losers, and like every P.M. Before him we have had losers appointed to the senate, in Harpers case at least he fired them!
You obviously don't like Harper, but his economic record for Canada is indisputable. I won't go through the numbers, but we are the envy of the G20, and frankly I dont give a damn about anything else as long as our economy is doing good, and jobs are being created, and spending is under control.

October 30, 2013 @ 10:04 AM

Mississauga Phil

Speyside is right. Our economy is strong, we have thus far survived the collapse of the US economy. You kind of have to give kudos to the guy at the helm for that.

October 30, 2013 @ 10:28 AM


Well, my Habs won and my Coyotes won. Unfortunately the Leafs won as well. That's not good. anyway, basketball starts tonight. Suns will win tonight. Raptors will lose.

Anyway, my trainer will win this weekend. I know they will win. that will be great.

October 30, 2013 @ 11:07 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Accept it Cheryl, the Leafs are the best!!!

October 30, 2013 @ 11:08 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Speyside: If our economy is doing so well. Why is that people on the right love to say Ontario has gone to hell in a hand basket economically and we are bleeding jobs. and that Ford the savior brought back Toronto from the brink?

Lets not forget it's very easy for any governing body to state fiscal management when the reliance is on oil(of which Harper has no hand in any of that job creation) and a over valued housing market.

As for fiscal management? How big is the national debt again? Last time I checked the largest Canada has ever known. Spending must be under control when Canada is screwing over disabled war vets.

As for envy of G20, I have yet to see that in writing.

Canada is a great country not because of Harper and the conservatives. It's a great country period and has been for very long time

October 30, 2013 @ 11:17 AM

Nigel Trousershrapnel

"At worst, he personally ordered it done and chose the people who executed the plan. At the very least he fostered an attitude in the party, chose the managers of the people who committed these crimes and completely and utterly failed to exercise any oversight, supervision or leadership. In the end it doesn't really matter where [his] actions or lack of them fall on that scale. He is the leader and a leader is responsible for the actions of the people he leads. If he had a right or honourable bone in his body, he'd admit that and resign immediately." - Stephen Harper speaking of then Prime Minister Jean Chretien in response to the Gomery investigation.

October 30, 2013 @ 11:28 AM


@ Ben
I agree, Harper and his cabinet are given too much credit for the way banks survived the collapse of a few US banks. I credit our natural resources (namely oil & gas) for that.

However, please don't think Trudeau and his lib friends could do any better. In fact, as bad as the debt is, JT would only make it much worse.

In terms of our foreign policy, it would take a much softer stance on the people who want to blow up innocent people in the middle east. I believe we would see a less friendly approach to our allies like Israel and a softer stance to Iran. I could be wrong but that's my outlook.

October 30, 2013 @ 11:36 AM



Our banking system would never have been in trouble due to the collapse of the U.S. Banks. So no credit to Harper there.
The economy collapsed in most of the developed world in 2008.
Leader after leader has praised not only our system, but the way the Government handled the downturn.
Yes oil and gas is part of that. So was the stimulus packages handed out. But you know what , it worked as opposed to the dismal failure in the U.S.
And who would you credit if our unemployment rate had ballooned to 10 percent?
Oh let me guess, it was damn Harpers fault.

October 30, 2013 @ 11:47 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Nigel: Well referenced. This is the man that also railed against omnibus bills calling them undemocratic, yet now does so without a second thought. The same guy who said no senate appointments and then turned around a month later and personally appointed half of the current monkey group.

@Argie: Perhaps JT would. Perhaps he wouldn't. How can we truly know? There was a balanced budget and surplus under the previous liberal government. Is it impossible for the liberals to achieve this again?

October 30, 2013 @ 12:03 PM


Harper had nothing to do with Canada's better than average recovery from the recession. Argie is correct. It had everything to do with oil

In 2011, 50% of all the jobs in Canada were created by Alberta. This has nothing to do with politics, left or right. It has everything to do with $100.00 a barrel crude & lots of it in the oil sands. The other "have" provinces were all resource based provinces (Sask, BC, and Newfoundland). The rest of Canada was mired (and still is) in an economic slump some SIX years after it started.

If you take the "deficit" graphs for Ontario and Canada and overlay them, they look almost exactly the same. In late 2008 they suddenly rise and then slowly taper off. Yet, we see Conbots blaming Liberals for the Ontario mess & we see Liberals reminding us how great Martin did and how the Con's put us in debt. Get real. This is almost all about macro economics.

I also find the support of these senator & political theives total bullshit. Some of you in your blind robot partisan shit actually support theives. Hey, here's a thought, how about I kick down your door, rob you at gunpoint, steal 90K and then when the feds arrest me I'll just give it back and say "I'm sorry". Will you forgive me? Will you show up at the courthouse and say "oh it's OK, don't worry". The only thing worse than a cunt motherfucker politician is a blind robotic supporter of that politician.

PS. "Occupy" was a good idea initially. It was all about how regular working people got fucked while rich 1%'ers companies were bailed out. Unfortunately, the whole thing was commandeered by a bunch of professioanl homeless with an agenda.

Breaking Bad is actually a televison meme of our modern reality. Regular, honest working class dude has no "legit" way to support his wife & kids. His option is to become a gangster. That's where politicians have taken us.

October 30, 2013 @ 12:43 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Irv: I actually said oil first. Please give credit where credit is due. Insert humour.

@Speyside: Please look to how our banks have been setup for years. Their international exposure wasn't there, so nor was the associated risks. The reason things still suck in the states is the fact the right wing continues to stick with their debunked belief in trickle down economics. The economy hasn't been able to grow, because the right down there has taken every opportunity to slash wages to become "competitive". Whats the end result? A country that can only shop at Walmart or Target. Look to what caterpillar did here, you guys take a 50% pay cut or we close you down. No one would stand for it, but you have a bunch of piss poor Americans living in trailer parks and offer them a job that pays 2 cents an hour more than Walmart. Sure they'll take it.

Look at personal debt levels reaching record high's here, that's not a problem for today, but it will be for tomorrow.

Don't kid yourself the reason the american economy hasn't come roaring back to life is Americans. Anyone still clinging to beliefs in austerity and trickle down economics also need to get their head checked.

I don't agree with all unions and I know how wasteful they can be, but the wage I enjoy today and the levels we see can be directly attributed to the work that labour unions did.

Remember before you jump on the Ben must love unions you are an NDP lover. I'm not. There are many aspects of unions that I believe need to be corrected or eliminated moving forward. The biggest thing is that the unions of today are almost unrecognizable to the unions of 50 years ago.

October 30, 2013 @ 1:48 PM



The real problem with American banks started in the 90s when the Glass-Speagal act was repealed. This gave banks the right to speculate & essentially become hedge funs. Gordon Gekko does a great speech in Wall Street about the "Ninja Generation". This fictional character NAILS down what is wrong with America


The other major issue affecting the economy is something no one mentions. House prices. The availability of cheap and easy credit has resulted in rapid growth in house prices. With the average price at 500K, the average family is using more and more of their income to just cover the cost of a home. This leaves little $$ left for everything else, so everything else has been financed on credit cards (see the extremely high personal debt thing). But when this debt house of cards comes crashing down, the result will be calamity. There will be no money for the "rest of the economy". It'll all be pumped into home ownership because human nature is such that home ownership always a high priority. When this generation realizes it's actually flat fucking broke, it's really going to resent not getting richer..like every generation before them. And the shit is already hitting the fan.

Look around. We've built one incredibly selfish world where people no longer give a shit about each other. The result is a society filled with "depression" and "anxiety" issues. That leads to the need to escape, whether it be drinking or drugs. They become the escape, even if it's only for a few short hours. And those in desperation who are told to "work harder punk" will follow the path of Walter on Breaking Bad. Crime.

If you want to develop and nurture a system which espouses the values of "the law of the jungle" you do so at your own peril. The result is those left behind for whatever reason will become angry. And their anger will be targeted at you. When I can't get a job, when I can't afford the basic necessities, then I will take them. From you. At gunpoint.

I suspect in the future in Canada (at some point) we will start to see political radicals. It'll be a sort of IRA type of thing where the anger becomes full blown politically motivated violence.

October 30, 2013 @ 2:28 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Irv: I actually mentioned an over valued housing market. LOL. Did you miss my post entirely?

October 30, 2013 @ 2:33 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Irv: I'm also well acquainted with what Clinton did with the Glass Speagal act. It's what created the free for all with the banks.

October 30, 2013 @ 2:35 PM


Sorry Glass-Steagall

October 30, 2013 @ 2:38 PM


ADD, much?

Agreed on most of what you wrote however, you didn't mention what really started the housing/mortgage collapse. A major contributing factor was that Clinton and the Dems truly believed that everyone has the right to own a house, regardless of financial standing. On the surface this sounds like a noble dream but the problem is not everyone can buy and more importantly carry a home. They forget its not just the mortgage payments - its the utilities, the property taxes and other surprise expense that pop up once in a while.

For a few years. you had every Tom, Dick and Harry buying a house which of course drove the prices of houses up. The banks salivated at this and were more than willing to lend even more to these unfit homeowners (using the equity they had built up on their home). That was the beginning of the end. The banks and brokerage house then created these insane mortgage backed securities in order to capitalize on the housing market.

Fast fwd a few years, people lose their jobs and then can't make the payments on their mortgage. The bank forecloses which they hated doing because the mortgage on a house that now sells for $100,000 is more than $150,000. And the rest of the dominions just fall in line.

For all of this, I also blame Justin Trudeau - God knows he had something to do with it.

October 30, 2013 @ 3:11 PM


Well Argue, if you watched the link I posted it clearly blames both sides. I do too. I never absolved the mistakes of the general population

Regardless, it was NOT the average person that went on a house buying bender first dude. The banks created teaser mortgages & put them out there. The sheep came running brother. Once the mortages were put out there the Fed raised the rate 17 times. You're in finance right Argie? Surely you've seen Kramer's meltdown on CNBC about the entire ordeal. The financial system setup the casino economy

Finally, long long ago I had "CSC and FCSI" as credentials I could put on my business card (along with the futures & options one). Different world, different time. One of the pillars of the industry and one thing drilled in your head was "KNOW YOUR CLIENT". You, as a financial advisor, were to make decisions in the best intereset of the client. I'd suspect that also crosses into the mortgage industry too. Just maybe Argie, some of those people believed the advice their financial advisor gave them on what they could reasonably handle. That's why they used a financial advisor in the first place.

October 30, 2013 @ 3:29 PM


@Irv 12:43
As to "Breaking Bad is actually a televison meme of our modern reality. Regular, honest working class dude has no "legit" way to support his wife & kids. His option is to become a gangster. That's where politicians have taken us."
Please follow my Breaking Brainwashing entry,
http://classicquarters.blogspot.ca/2013/09/breaking-brainwashing.html (And its source Breaking Bad Meme linkage.)
Et tu, Irv. Regular honest working class dude? Nope.

October 30, 2013 @ 3:47 PM


Happy Halloween everyone! Is it just me or have a lot of homes stepped up their scary decorating. I have been seeing some really elaborately decorated houses. One house near me is a replica of a funeral parlour, it's pretty impressive. I love it! Have fun tonight :)

October 31, 2013 @ 7:28 AM


"There was a balanced budget and surplus under the previous liberal government. Is it impossible for the liberals to achieve this again?"

This is the type of comment that perfectly illustrates my point about a broken system, and the game we willingly play.

Not to pick on Ben specifically, but all this reasoning will result in is someone else saying, "Oh the liberals were only able to balance the books thanks to Mulroney's GST that they had promised to scrap." And so it goes.

"Okay, our guys had some scandals, but your guys scandals were much worse!"

The truth is this always plays out the same, no matter who is in power, and we're kidding ourselves if we believe otherwise.

I don't think there's anyone on the horizon that's capable of changing anything. I'd like to believe that these guys have honorable intentions when they first come on the scene, but there's a machine in place that can't be stopped, and eventually grinds them down.

October 31, 2013 @ 8:05 AM


@Rosie & all: If anyone's in Newmarket tonight, come to the Houghton Haunt haunted house: http://www.houghtonhaunt.com/

315 Reading Place (just off London Road).

5pm-9pm. Admission free.

October 31, 2013 @ 9:04 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: I know you aren't picking on me. My point was more geared to countering this Conservative mantra that they are the only party capable of governing this country ever. They like to style themselves and the only answer possible in a sea of ignorant fools.

This in itself is laughable when half their party has never even held a real job. What has Tony Clement ever done in his professional life? I pick on him because of his position and stature in the party with literally no outside world expertise.

The playing field is even with follys on either side. They are all fraught with mishaps, shady dealings and corruption in their ranks. I also think this comes with being in power too long. 8 years should be the maximum for any government and I don't think the leader of the party should be there the whole time. Mix it up change it up. When you have a leader in place too long, his/her henchmen all become concentrated on keeping the reigns of power vs. working for the people.

As for the NDP, we'll see what the people of this country think in the next election. Something tells me Tommy isn't going to be happy with the number of seats he gets.

October 31, 2013 @ 9:25 AM


Hey Boon,

Listen,I know you have 2 1/2 kids, a job, a wife and an ambitious work-out schedule on top of all the other things you're involved in but where the eff is my Rosie and your podcast?

Good job on Humble & Fred by the way - you sounded better than ever. The stats were interesting actually. Laughed about the bowling shut down - LOVE that Freddie P!

October 31, 2013 @ 10:43 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Rosie was scheduled to record yesterday but she had to cancel for family reasons.

I don't think she'll be back until next week.

Freddie P would love bowling with me. He has no idea what he's missing.

October 31, 2013 @ 10:45 AM


Ah this is great.

Jacobsen says Lisi was seen putting dry-cleaning from shop tied to drug arrest into Ford's car, white bags too #TOPoli

Police watched Ford and Lisi meet over 100 times: http://bit.ly/Hu9TS6

"On many occasions they followed him to meetings with Ford in parks. Detectives searched the area after and found empty vodka bottles."

"After Ford and Lisi met in person, detectives noticed a pattern. Later in the day, Ford, on his drive home, stopped in at the Esso at Edenbridge Rd. and Scarlett Rd., just a few doors east of the Ford home. While Ford was in the Esso station, which houses his favourite Tim Horton’s, Lisi would drive up in his Range Rover and place a package into Ford’s Escalade, then drive off."

It's okay, Ford's just a mule.

October 31, 2013 @ 11:01 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Markosaar: Where have you been?

October 31, 2013 @ 11:04 AM



I got tired of the same circular arguments, and a personal attack really put me off -- I needed to take a step back.

But there's new Ford material finally at least!

October 31, 2013 @ 11:09 AM


Okay, Speyside Phil, the Chief of Police for the City of Toronto has confirmed the crack video exists.

Or is Bill Blair on the Toronto Star payroll?

They aren't telling us everything and this is by far the worst thing to come out about Ford. I can't wait to read the Dave Williams of the world defend this one.

October 31, 2013 @ 11:50 AM


Go read the comments on The Star, Globe, etc. "I would rather still have Ford in office than another Commie like Miller".

October 31, 2013 @ 12:39 PM

Nigel Trousershrapnel

Won't defend it.
Disappointed to say the least.
Those of us who have had a fall from grace, and we are legion, have lived through situations like this in private. Unfortunately Mayor Ford's situation is being played out in the media for all to see.
He has my sympathies.

October 31, 2013 @ 1:04 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Nigel: Good on you for accepting it now. I think a lot of people in Toronto and the surrounding area should be offering up an apology to the journalists from the star. They were attacked personally and professionally by many Ford apologists.

I'd say vindication is sweet, but invalid character assassination for people who previously had never committed anything wrong is terrible.

October 31, 2013 @ 1:17 PM


Well, I hate the Leafs. Why are they the best. They won again last night. booh. My Suns won their home opener though. That was great. My Habs play tomorrow in Minnesota.

Anyway, my trainer is in Cookstown tomorrow. They'll win. I know they will. My trainer played his first major league game on Tuesday though and they lost big. Well, they won't lose big this weekend. They'll win it all.

October 31, 2013 @ 4:55 PM

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