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Lyle Lanley

Rob Ford calls Toronto Sun journalist to swear at him for writing something negative about the mayor:

So it's the same-old same-old in Toronto!

October 22, 2013 @ 6:52 AM

Don't Shoot Me

I'm using a fake name for this comment so you won't shoot me.

Breast cancer publicity is excessive when you learn men are 35% more likely to get prostate cancer than a woman is to get breast cancer.

And really, isn't there enough awareness about breast cancer?

- Don't Shoot Me

October 22, 2013 @ 6:56 AM

Al The Royal Pain

@Don't Shoot Me

How about we just strive for at least the same level of awareness for Prostate cancer as there is for breast cancer rather than complain about the other?

October 22, 2013 @ 7:08 AM

Don't Shoot Me

Breast cancer gets more attention because it's so marketable. It's hard to sexualize prostates but so easy to sexualize (and monetize) women's breasts.

And where's lung cancer awarness when it kills more people each year than breast and prostate cancers combined.

October 22, 2013 @ 7:22 AM


I was listening to Matt Galloway on MetroMorning today interview an Ethiopian immigrant who will get his Canadian citizenship today.

The best thing about receiving Canadian citizenship according to this young man? He can travel back to Ethiopia easier.

Think about this for a minute. You still want to travel back to a country that has famines, civil wars, a dictatorial govenment and is fighting proxy wars with it's neighbours.

Thank you multiculturalism.

October 22, 2013 @ 7:30 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Home is where the heart is...

October 22, 2013 @ 7:31 AM

Sam in Pickering

I'm going to say what everyone is thinking this morning.

It's damn cold outside!

October 22, 2013 @ 7:56 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Lyle - You beat me to it!!!!

October 22, 2013 @ 8:06 AM


@Don't Shoot Me

I didn't say it would be easy, but we're starting...Movember is a good start to get the message out there. It's relatively new compared to the various breast cancer campaigns. These things need time to gain momentum.

October 22, 2013 @ 8:38 AM


@Don't shoot me
I totally agree. As men we can either just whine about it or make a lot of noise like women have about breast cancer.

To me, it shouldn't be about us vs. them. All cancers are horrible and all funds raised should go towards all forms of cancer.

I also think companies like to broadcast their support of fighting breast cancer as smart marketing. Sad but true.

October 22, 2013 @ 8:54 AM



Think Becel, Bell, ScotiaBank, yep sad but true, it's time the money raised was divided equally among the most deadliest forms of cancer, I.e. Breast, prostate, lung etc.

October 22, 2013 @ 9:12 AM


@ Sam in Pickering

Winter is coming!

October 22, 2013 @ 9:39 AM

Ryan G

This is awesome. Dude seems like a douchebag, but it's still awesome.

October 22, 2013 @ 9:43 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie and Don't Shoot Me: You are both right Breast Cancer is marketable. Companies like Nestle pay BIG bucks to have the pink ribbon on their products. They see massive sales lifts as a result.

CBCF is honestly terrible to deal with, as they don't even consider themselves a charity, but a brand. It's all about the dollars and cents.

Women would be really surprised when they find out how much of the money donated to CBCF actually goes to research for finding a cure. It would make you sick.

As for prostate cancer I totally agree. Having a father with it and two uncles that died from it you realize how much more common it is than breast cancer. The only thing is today it's becoming much more treatable. In a lot of cases now depending on age they just tell you to live your life even when you get it. I think that's why "movember" moved from prostate health to include mental health.

October 22, 2013 @ 10:17 AM


Things like "movember" are great ways to promote awareness and fundraising. However, its sad that fundraising has to be treated like a brand or a company to succeed.

October 22, 2013 @ 10:37 AM

Ben Vidal

I would counter it doesn't just have to appear like a brand or a company. It has to appeal to hipsters. It has to be trendy in order for the masses to care.

You get to see how uninformed people are when late night hosts or any form of TV go out and ask general questions about a topic.

My favorite this week came from Bill Maher with a lady from Brooklyn responding about Obama Care. She said she doesn't want it because they are going to put a tracking chip in you. Then tried to make the camera person/interviewer seem dumb for not already knowing what has "been in the news". I'm not pointing that out for a left vs right thing. Only that you truly get to see how ignorant many people are.

I cringe sometimes at how dumb people are or how little they know about the world around them. I think half the problem with newspapers today isn't just the internet. It's the generation Y that just isn't reading the news unless it comes from Perez Hilton.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:02 AM


As clueless the gen Y crowd is, the next wave will be even worse.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:06 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Ben Vidal

1/3 of people will believe anything. Remember, 37% of Americans would rather the theory of evolution not be taught in school because it contradicts their preferred theory of creationism. I'm sure similar numbers believe the moon landing was faked, 9/11 was an inside job and vaccines are dangerous.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:16 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - What do you think of the profanity laden phone call Mr. Ford made to the sun reporter...I can't believe he called the guy at home during dinner just to tell him that Ford didn't like the article he'd written...

October 22, 2013 @ 11:24 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Mississauga Phil

It seems to me that Rob Ford is completely ignorant as to the role of the press in modern society. He take negative reports about him (and there are many) as personal slights and seems to have regarded Joe Warmington as a friend and not a columnist.

I read Warmington's account and considering what we know about Rob Ford and his skeezy friends, it sounds rather threatening. It's yet another line Ford has crossed that he shouldn't... it's par for the course with him.

I'm hoping Ford Nation is really just 33% of voters who will believe (and believe in) anything and that his big win in 2010 was because his opposition was an openly gay man with some political baggage.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:29 AM


Smitherman had and still has personal baggage to go with his horrible political record.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:33 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Regardless, I'm hoping better opposition will reduce Ford's vote count back down to the 33% core.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:35 AM


Good luck with that.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:39 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


We'll see what 2014 brings! Assuming Ford isn't arrested and forced out before then...

October 22, 2013 @ 11:42 AM


This isn't about Smitherman. He's not the mayor. He lost.

This is about the current mayor. He called and berated a journalist who had defended him at length.
Ask yourself why Wormington would report this. Thisnisnt the Star trying to get Ford. This is a defender who is at his breaking point with him.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:55 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - I would have voted for Ford over Smitherman...but, being the lesser of two evils doesn't make you a good mayor...I'm with Mike, put a real contender up against Ford and Toronto will have a new mayor in 14....

October 22, 2013 @ 11:55 AM


You have to wonder if Smitherman did win....would the media be going after him as much as they are going after Ford?? My guess is no.

October 22, 2013 @ 11:58 AM


I'm guessing Tron will be commenting shortly.

October 22, 2013 @ 12:20 PM



No, no way. The media's treatment of Rob Ford is an ugly black mark on journalism in this country. Just off the top of my head...the media:

-Followed him to his cottage on the long weekend and staked it out during the man's private vacation
-Peered over his fence of his private residence at night taking pictures
-Followed and pestered Ford's elderly mother
-Photoshoped him on an obese man's naked body
-Fabricated a story about Ford assaulting a football player
-Bombarded him on his driveway in the morning with a silly act when he was trying to take his kids to school
-Publishes stories about him using not real sources but hearsay and conjecture

What do all these incidents have in common? They were done by the left-wing media. The Globe, CBC, NOW, and especially the shit-stain Toronto Star should all be ashamed.

October 22, 2013 @ 12:41 PM


In 2012, Ryerson University had hired high school dropout Smitherman at $158,000 a year. I wonder how much was thusly paid for yesterday's "Goverment" banner writer.
Appreciate; I misspell commenting words here for free.

October 22, 2013 @ 12:46 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Justin - Ok..calling NOW magazine "Journalism" is like calling a porn star an "Actress" NOW is a rag that no intelligent person takes seriously

October 22, 2013 @ 12:47 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

With regards to Rob Ford and how he's portrayed by the media, I'm just going to quote Jimmy McNulty from The Wire.

You play in dirt, you get dirty

October 22, 2013 @ 12:53 PM


@Toronto Mike - let me get this straight - you are thinking that in notoriously Liberal Toronto voters might have been dissuaded from voting for a gay person? Sorry, that's utterly delusional.

October 22, 2013 @ 1:00 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


There's downtown Toronto and then there's the much more socially conservative "suburbs". If the entire 416 was as socially liberal as you think it is, Ford would have lost in 2010.

October 22, 2013 @ 1:03 PM


How do you explain the Liberal and NDP parties doing so well in provincial and federal elections?

The truth is, Georgie lost because of his brutal political track record.

October 22, 2013 @ 1:07 PM

Alison in Ottawa

Pink Inc. is an excellent documentary that tackles the issue of pink an ovarian cancer survivor I have always found it interesting that we are often unaware where our fundraising dollars go and that some cancer's get way more attention that others.

October 22, 2013 @ 1:08 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


But look at how Toronto voted for mayor in 2010:

Seems like a clear political divide to me.

October 22, 2013 @ 1:12 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Of course that's why he lost. The guy give snakes and weasels a bad name...but again...being the lesser of 2 evils doesn't make Ford a good just makes him better than Smitherman...not the benchmark I'd want for the leader of my city (Love you Hazel!!!)

October 22, 2013 @ 1:19 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie & Toronto Mike. You both are somewhat right. I think George's political record being at the helm of E-health burned people to no avail. I think he was also a condescending dink most of the time, which never helped.

The suburbs of Toronto are definitely more conservative than down town. It doesn't mean they are true blue C's. There is definitely a feeling that being gay is a down town thing.

In the end, I don't think his sexuality played a big part in his loss. I think the people that were going to vote for a conservative candidate would have never voted for a gay liberal candidate in the first place.

@ Argie: Unions control the NDP, that's why they work here in Ontario. I don't think unions are at their core an far left wing political association. They have been forced there by the conservative move to abolish them.

October 22, 2013 @ 1:21 PM


You love Hazel? The lady who granted her son a mega contract for the city? That Hazel?

October 22, 2013 @ 1:22 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Yeah, I love Hazel...the Hazel that kept us out of the MegaCity (she would be the reason that Rob Ford is not MY mayor), the Hazel that has kept Mississauga as the only city in Ontario without a deficit...Yup...Love that Hazel....As a fiscaly minded person, you should love Hazel too....think how great Toronto would be with a strong, fiscally sound, sober person at the helm....

October 22, 2013 @ 1:26 PM


She has done some good - but you forget she completely sold the soul of the city to developers. I know I'm sounding like an enviro lefty here but Mississauga is just one vast subdivision.

Also. your crime rate is much worse that Toronto (the city run by Ford). Still love her?

October 22, 2013 @ 1:44 PM


Sorry for the typos. Hands are frozen. I think I need Hazel to come over and warm them up for me....

October 22, 2013 @ 2:07 PM


Well you would think the Toronto Media just won the powerball lottery. They fought and won the release of Mayor Fords character reference letter.
Wow! Such riveting ground breaking news reporting. The story of the century.
It just keeps getting to be a bigger joke and an up removable stain on the media.

October 22, 2013 @ 2:12 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I think it's significant that Rob Ford used his Mayoral letterhead to write that letter. That's inappropriate use of the title and office.

Some people think the rules don't apply to them. It's important that the media report such things.

October 22, 2013 @ 2:14 PM


I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ford does do some stupid things - the recent letter being another example. Does he not see that whatever he does will come under scrutiny from the media (both left and right media)?

Anyway, it makes for material for this blog so Mike you should be sending the man a box of Cuban cigars.

October 22, 2013 @ 2:22 PM


i think open mikes work better when mike is paying attention and contributing

my 2 cents - this one is the best one in 2 weeks

October 22, 2013 @ 2:46 PM


I didn't know he wrote the letter on City of Toronto letterhead. I really don't think that's appropriate. It is all made worse by the other letter about convicted murdered Sedgewick to get his license re-instated.

C'mon,Phil. Can you admit that this is a little over the line?

October 22, 2013 @ 2:46 PM

Ben Vidal

@ McNulty: Speyside isn't capable of capitulating that any of what Ford does is over the line.

October 22, 2013 @ 2:56 PM


@McNulty @Ben

I didn't realize it was on Mayor letterhead either. A poor decision by Ford.
There, I said it! Damn that was hard.

October 22, 2013 @ 3:13 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - a statement like that is all the better for proof. Where are you getting the facts on Mississauga's crime rate?

October 22, 2013 @ 3:20 PM


@Toronto Mike - what am I missing here? A letter of reference is pretty useless if it's written by an anonymous author. Is it seriously a rule that a sitting Mayor can't write letters of reference? I thought this story was all about WHO he wrote the letters for, not about letterhead.

October 22, 2013 @ 3:30 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


It's two things...

1. He used official city hall letterhead. He shouldn't. The integrity commissioner warned him about this during the football controversy. So that's a serious issue.

I found the exact wording for members of Toronto's city council that Rob Ford consistently ignores:

"Do not provide references where the only basis for doing so is to use the influence of your office or to help someone you know merely as a constituent, friend or relative."

2. He claims his buddy worked on his campaign, but nobody else who worked on the campaign ever saw him contribute. Furthermore, his own brother Doug claims he's never met Lisi... and Doug was very close to his brother's campaign. In other words, Rob Ford is once again lying.

October 22, 2013 @ 3:43 PM


@Toronto Mike -

Re: the football thing, Ford was using official letterhead to solicit funds. I can understand why that's a no-no. Also, the "Do not provide references where the only basis for doing so..." probably applies in this case, and I also don't have a problem with your second point.

However,I haven't yet seen any evidence that using official letterhead to write a legitimate letter of reference is against the rules. I don't think this is accurate: "1. He used official city hall letterhead. He shouldn't. The integrity commissioner warned him about this during the football controversy. So that's a serious issue."

October 22, 2013 @ 4:23 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Disagree all you like, but he shouldn't do that. Here's the integrity Commissioner's statement if you don't believe me: LINK

October 22, 2013 @ 4:31 PM

4x4 Time

Based on the map Mike posted of voter support throughout the City in the 2010 election, it looks like a lock for a second term for Mr. Ford...And does Paul Ainslie not sound and look like the whining little school boy you went out of your way tease and bully as a kid, when that kind of thing was common..

October 22, 2013 @ 4:33 PM


@ 4x4 Time 16:33 p.m.
Re Councillor Ainslie.
Exactly. Although no one would need to go much out of their way. It would (IMO) be more of an effort not to tease and bully such a wishy-washy guy.
I'm impressed by none of them. How is it we constantly end up with so many elected 'losers' for our mutually elected politics?

October 22, 2013 @ 5:00 PM


I hurt my knee today. I did a stupid thing. I was going downstairs to the gym. There was a group of people having a meeting on the steps. I didn't really like the meeting. All the managers decided to have it on the steps. I have no idea why they did that. I got flustered and missed a step and fell. I can still walk, thank goodness, but lots of bending hurts my knee. My trainer told me to ice it which I did, but don't know if it helped or not. Anyway, I missed the step. I don't know why they had that meeting on the stairs anyway.

Habs play tonight. Still no Daniel Briere. He got a concussion. He got hit, but the Nashville player who hit him just got brushed off, no penalty or suspension. The League is unfair.

October 22, 2013 @ 5:05 PM



I wish people who immigrant to this beautiful country wouldn't treat their citizenship like a connecting flight.

October 22, 2013 @ 5:33 PM


Sorry to hear about your knee.
Did no one try to move or help you out??
I wouldn't say that you did a stupid thing , but the guys in the meeting on the steps sure did.

October 22, 2013 @ 6:38 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Have to agree with you Glen, far too easy to get, and in this case not respected for the great thing it truly is. Too many Canadians of convenience, just look at the evacuation in Lebanon in 2006. Wikipedia has some background on Canadians of convenience.

October 22, 2013 @ 6:55 PM


I agree with those that said the various cancers and men vs women's marketing should just focus on getting everything right, not one is better than the other. I personally think it is great that professional sports, Men's professional sports, gets so involved in Breast Cancer awareness campaigns.

As was stated Movember is a great way to "market" prostate cancer and men's mental health issues. It doesn't have to be sexy or whatever, marketing works when the medium is accepted for the message. The Movember movement is intended to raise awareness and money, but focuses a lot on the awareness part.

Gentlemen, get your prostate examined. Ladies, talk to the men in your lives and encourage them to get their prostate examined, this means your boyfriend, husband, brother, father, friend, etc...

Few of you know me here, but I am doing an extra bit for Movember. I was recruited to help by a good friend who did it last year. He is a musician and did a gig last year which my wife and I attended, it was great but didn't raise a lot of money. This year we are going to do more. It's a pretty big deal for me as I have had a beard since I was 16, I'm now 48. I did shave it off one day, but just one day and that's a different story.

So this year I am shaving my entire head and growing back a 'Mo. If you would like to support me you can here at You don't have to donate, there is a chat section as well, would love to hear encouragement and stories too. Check that site for the gig in November as well. Should be a tonne of fun.

@TOMike, if you don't approve of the blatant ad for this, I understand and please remove the above paragraph at your convenience.


PS Cheryl, sorry about your knee injury, I don't understand why people do these kind of things either. --P

October 22, 2013 @ 7:15 PM


@Toronto Mike - okay I read through the whole thing. I think we're arguing about two different things. I interpreted your first comment on this issue as "Rob Ford should never use official letterhead for Letters of Reference under any circumstance". I think I should have interpreted it as, "Rob Ford should never have used official letterhead for a letter of reference to help out a personal friend".

October 22, 2013 @ 7:16 PM


@Don't Shoot Me

To start, don't blame the medical system or the Canadian Cancer Society for breast cancer awareness being "slanted" toward breast cancer. They are not.

The major cause for breast cancer getting more exposure is because of major corporations. The female is the predominate consumer in the household and corporations know that. By putting money & support behind breast cancer it a marketing tactic meant to target their preferred consumer; the woman. These 1% companies know that by plastering their support on goods & services it will appeal to women directly. It's 100% good for business.

I always laugh at people who buy into the bullshit that is corporate shill. Do you really think Bell cares about your mental health? Do you really think McDonalds cares about your health? To quote Clay Morrow from Sons of Anarachy "the most dangerous gangster of all is Old White Money".

The great irony is many of these 1% corps may well be the reason cancer IS on the rise. It's all about the products they produce.

@Glen: You're not smart enough to figure out that it's just media shill? Do you really think that's an example of the "average" person? The typical immigrant shows up in Canada, gets a shitty fucking job & works at it for years in the hopes life will be better for the kids.

@SpeysidePhil. LOL, whatever dude. If Ford was a leftie you'd be cheering on the media. I've decided I'm going to stop being "nice" to you.

October 22, 2013 @ 7:41 PM


Thanks Irv, I was worried you were starting to mellow. LOL

October 22, 2013 @ 7:55 PM

4x4 Time

Political news is just heart warming these days isn't it?...Who is the worst of three evils - Ford, Wynne or Harper?

October 22, 2013 @ 8:01 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@4x4: Just makes you want to never vote again.

On another note: I was heading to Kirkland Lake this morning, and in the middle of a snow storm, a Hawk or owl slammed into the side of my car. Left a hefty dent, suspect he is no longer flying the clear blue sky, judging by his DNA left on my mirror.

October 22, 2013 @ 8:57 PM

Ben Vidal

@4x4: All three levels need to be replaced. Two have become corrupt while in power. One came into power corrupt.

October 22, 2013 @ 9:16 PM

Mississauga Phil

Go Leafs Go

October 22, 2013 @ 10:16 PM

Marc Irvyne

Did anyone here blame the Canadian Cancer Society or the medical system for "slanting" Breast Cancer awareness? No? Didn't think so.

Wasn't it already established that the Breast Cancer campaign was being exploited by corporations prior to Irv's comment? Why, yes, I'd have to agree that ground was already well covered.

Aren't you lucky to have Irv here to tell you what's already been said? LMAO. Chump loves to spout off even when bringing nothing new to the convo.

October 22, 2013 @ 10:24 PM


Obama lowest spending prez in modern times

Imitation. Sincerest form of flattery and most likely to be introduced to m@lf0rn3d p@ck3t

October 23, 2013 @ 9:22 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Irv: It doesn't matter the "Taxed Enough Already" group of crazies have no educational background and would rather believe ramblings based on gut feelings. The GOP is lost, the tea party is full of fanatics and Obama keeps having to move to the right on decisions because the Koch and Philip Morris backed Tea Party are holding everything hostage.

Looks like little Stevie Harper is a liar liar pants on fire. I was really hoping that Duffy would say something like Al Pacino in Scent of a Woman. Telling Harper, Nigel Wright and the PMO to go eff themselves and then state he's going to take a flame thrower to this place. Good on Duffy.

October 23, 2013 @ 10:03 AM


You're referring the Huff Post again? You would have been better off just giving your uninformed opinion and leaving it at that.

Oh and you see Harper as the criminal instead of Duffy. Seriously?

October 23, 2013 @ 10:16 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Speaking of uniformed opinions, still waiting for some data to back up your claims about the crime rate in Mississauga, cause I sure can't find anything that indicates it's higher than Toronto.

October 23, 2013 @ 10:23 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie: Stop being obtuse. It's a transcript, you dud. It's not an opinion piece. Would you like me to post a link from 2 other news sources?

I love when you indicate that what other people have to say is an uninformed opinion. Yet you believe in a fairy tale and guide your life by an imaginary person in the heavens. I find it even funnier that you somehow believe you are the informed one that posts on this blog. Go back to your talking snake and garden of eden, or just watch a kids cartoon. You could form your opinions based on Aladdin to have more clout.

Lastly. I think Duffy is the criminal, but Harper is the liar. He got up and said to everyone he had no idea of any of this. If Duffy is going to go down for this he should take all the rest of the dirty politicians with him.

October 23, 2013 @ 10:27 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Phil: God told Argie crime is higher in Mississauga. That's how he knows.

October 23, 2013 @ 10:28 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - Not for nothing...but Argie doesn't tend to be an overly pious person on this blog. I mean, he gets on Mike's case about the atheism. But I've never found Argie to be preachy....annoying and opinionated at times for sure...but not preachy.

October 23, 2013 @ 10:42 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Phil: This goes back to even on Freddie P's blog. Argie's apparently "informed" opinions are based on a severely religious slant.

Does he say praise the lord after every statement or say God says this. No, I will agree with you there.

October 23, 2013 @ 10:51 AM


It seems you're having a rough day. My God grant you the strength to carry on with grace, love and happiness.

OK Ben, not counting the above joke, when was the last time I referenced God or Christ?

October 23, 2013 @ 10:55 AM


Thanks for all your sympathies, guys. I know. My trainer said that that meetingi shouldn't have bothered me. They were only on one side of the stairs. Anyway, it took longer to go down the steps than normal. I thought I was actually at the bottom, but there was another step there which I fell on. My trainer better not make me do squats tomorrow. That's what hurts it. Walking is okay, but squats are not.

My Habs blew it. They started out well, but lost it. No good. The Leafs won. My Coyotes won though. That was good.

October 23, 2013 @ 10:57 AM


My mistake in assuming your Huff Post link was an opinion. I know in the past you have linked their opinion pieces but it was my bad.

Hey, I don't doubt Harper is lying. He appointed these criminals in Duffy, Wallin and Brazeau and a former hockey coach who can't even read (Demers). I've previously posted how Harper effed up with these selections and other cabinet posts.

All of Harper's screw-ups aren't as bad as these thieving parasites (aka the Senators).

October 23, 2013 @ 11:08 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Crime rate??

October 23, 2013 @ 11:27 AM


Macleans publishes crime rate stats. Google it. Toronto does pretty well actually and is safe. Try Edmonton or better yet, Surrey, BC.

Toronto ppl are pussies and paranoid about crime. One killing and they want every gun banned. Theu really go apeshit when its some middle class white person.

October 23, 2013 @ 2:12 PM


Uh oh. Phil, you're not going to drag this one into Friday's Open Mike if Argie doesn't provide satisfaction in this one, are you?

October 23, 2013 @ 2:35 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - Why am I not allowed to call Argie on an off the cuff remark?

October 23, 2013 @ 2:39 PM


@Phil -

Oh you are. Three times is probably enough.

October 23, 2013 @ 2:51 PM


Sorry Phil. This thing called "work" got in the way of my researching. Anyway, the only relevant stat I found was a "dangerous crime" stat which placed Peel Region (Brampton & Mississauga) below Toronto. I tried like hell to find straight homicide stats by city but the only they listed the top and bottom cities.

Maybe you or someone else would have better luck. Therefore, I take back what I wrote that Mississauga had a higher crime rate that Toronto. I would still rather have Ford as my mayor over Hazel.

October 23, 2013 @ 3:33 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Macleans has a pretty good chart comparing crime in Canada's cities:

Mississauga is lumped in with Brampton as "Peel" and it definitely has less crime than Toronto. With regards to violent crime Toronto is 13th and Peel Region is 46th.

Prince George, British Columbia is #1.

October 23, 2013 @ 3:38 PM


That's the chart I kept getting. I wanted the homicide rates by cities. I know I've seen them before in Macleans and elsewhere.

October 23, 2013 @ 3:41 PM


@Rick C:

Maybe your hybrid was hit by a high bird?

October 23, 2013 @ 3:41 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Rick C: I was going to say as well when did you become a left wing tree hugger with the hybrid? Is that how you bring balance to the world drive the hybrid and take out all the birds you want on the highway? Of course i jest

October 23, 2013 @ 4:19 PM

surrey jack

Prince George is rough. End of the Hwy of tears. Surrey is at murder 20 this year. Less than 500k residents. Toronto aint got nothing on surrey

October 23, 2013 @ 4:48 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - On behalf of Mississauga I accept your retraction (I think that's a first!!) As far as Hazel vs. Ford...I'll just let the track records speak for themselves

October 23, 2013 @ 7:02 PM


@ Argie:

Its here:

For some reason you can only see the top 15 cities though. Thankfully, neither Toronto or Mississauga rank.

October 23, 2013 @ 7:43 PM



Your local police force may break down crime stats per neighbourhood on their website. Perception is not always the reality either. Toronto and Calgary are very safe cities. Victoria & Kelowna are not. In fact, Ontario is generally a pretty safe place versus the rest of Canada.

Many of the areas with the highest rates of crime have higher levels of gang activity & are often places with high levels of violence against natives (especially native women). You don't hear about it much in Central Canada, but there is a real serious issue with missing & murdered native women. The numbers are just crazy yet nothing gets done.

So don't worry your pretty little head Argie. You can still walk to your car after the gym without a loaded Tec9 and a machete.

October 23, 2013 @ 8:00 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Ben: LOL, it's my company supplied vehicle, but it makes me feel politically balanced when I drive it, not David Suzuki balanced though.

October 23, 2013 @ 8:17 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Rick C: Honest question though, as hybrids go do you enjoy the ride and any of the added benefits? Or do you not care because it's a company car?

My company was going to go with Hybrids for all the sales people, just curious that's all.

October 24, 2013 @ 9:09 AM


Well, the knee is okay. I mean I can walk okay, but a lot of bending is not okay. Well, I didn't have to do any squats. He had me do a bit of stuff with my legs. That made the knee hurt, but apparently there is no bruise or anything on the knee. Oh well, I just hope it gets completely better. Ducks at Habs tonight and Coyotes at Kings. I want both wins.

October 24, 2013 @ 6:11 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@ Ben: I would buy one personally after having had 2 (2008 and current 2012. Not just the mileage, but great to drive, Toyota's build quality for a small car is top notch. I get to drive a lot of rentals, and being a frugal Scot, I usually get the base rentals, and nothing I've rented this small has the firmness of the ride, handling, and the 2012 has a power mode which really gets you up to speed to merge. You wouldn't be disappointed if you got one. I think this one listed around 27K, so definitely a premium in pricing. Owner has a 2003 with about 300K on it and still on the original batteries, with no sign of aging.

October 24, 2013 @ 8:31 PM

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