Back to School Open Mike

Open MikeI haven't been in school for 15 years, but every Labour Day I get that feeling in the pit of my stomach like it's time to go back.

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Jason from Sudbury

Is it just me or do kids get more pd days or any days off period then when I went to school? lol I know that probably made me sound old but I graduated in 2002. While I don't have any kids myself I've got plenty of friends that do and it seems that every time I talk to some of them their kids have a day off either because it's a pd day or for whatever reason.

September 3, 2013 @ 8:53 AM


All-day kindergarten - what a joke.

September 3, 2013 @ 9:27 AM



Agreed, among all the wasted billions of dollars the liberals have squandered away, this has to be the biggest waste in the history of Ontario.

September 3, 2013 @ 9:42 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

All day kindergarten would have saved me a small fortune....

September 3, 2013 @ 9:43 AM


They say there's 25% more traffic today than a week ago. I believe it...

September 3, 2013 @ 10:12 AM

Sam in Pickering

St. Jacob's was always a fun road trip for me. It's sad to hear it's burned down. I hope they rebuild quickly, better than ever.

September 3, 2013 @ 10:14 AM


@ Jason
Two words: Teacher Unions
it seems every month there's a PD day. Teachers will say "oh, we still have to go in ya know..." Right, then after listening to some over priced speaker/activist the board brings in, they duck out at 12. That's why kids have so many PD days today.

September 3, 2013 @ 10:14 AM


What's this I hear about Bookie and 88.1?

September 3, 2013 @ 10:50 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I got this press release from them this morning. It looks like Dave Bookman is hosting Sunday nights on Indie88.

Indie88 launches their official programming schedule today, starting with “Indie88 Mornings with Brian, Matt and Candice”, from 6am-10am, Monday to Friday.

Indie88’s morning show includes Brian Bailey, an award-winning morning show host named "On-Air Talent of the Year" at the 2013 Canadian Music Week broadcast industry awards, Candice Knihnitski, former producer of “The Kim Mitchell Show” at Q107, and Matt Hart, mostly known as the creative force behind the critically acclaimed band, The Russian Futurists. With the musical knowledge and passion of this trio, listeners can expect to hear a
unique style morning show with subtle humour and enough energy to wake-up the entire city of Toronto.

“It’s been an amazing month getting our studio finished and we’re so excited to introduce our Indie88 presenters to the city of Toronto,” said Program Director, Adam Thompson. “We are a station staffed by music fans. We love music, we love talking about music, and we love having fun. We can’t wait to start the party with Toronto. We’re thrilled to finally be here!”

Indie88’s programming schedule will also include hosts: Raina Douris, (Indie88’s Music Director and host ofAfternoon Drive, Monday to Friday), swing announcers, Carlin and LoriAnn, (hosting Middays, Monday to Friday, and weekends), and Dave “Bookie” Bookman (hosting Sunday Nights on Indie88).

September 3, 2013 @ 10:52 AM

Fake Grass

So Bookie hosts one night a week? That's not exactly a full-time job...

September 3, 2013 @ 11:02 AM


I like a number of those Russian Futurists songs. Too bad I never once heard any of them... on the radio.
It's sad that a reasonably active (and talented!) solo singer is instead making a different living than as a recording artist.

September 3, 2013 @ 11:07 AM


Even if it is one night a week, it will be good to hear Bookie on the radio again. Who could turn into more.

September 3, 2013 @ 11:08 AM


I always feel the need to buy a new pair of jeans...

September 3, 2013 @ 11:38 AM


Bookie on Sunday nights? Argh. Now I have to listen to 3 shows simultaneously :

1. Bookie on 88.1
2. Strombo on Radio 2
3. Marsden on Rock 94.9

3 fantastic radio hosts, and I dare say, the most educated + enthusiastic 'music' fans (albeit different genres) on the radio today.

September 3, 2013 @ 1:33 PM


I received a half a $5 in change at Shoppers Drug Mart on Saturday. I didn't realize it was a partial bill until I got home. This is the culprit.

What am I suppose to do with 50% of a 5?

September 3, 2013 @ 1:49 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Many years ago I was watching CBC's Street Cents and they took a torn $5 to a bank in Toronto. The teller literally measured with a ruler that they had 50% of the bill and gave them $2.50 for it.

September 3, 2013 @ 1:58 PM


All-day kindergarten is essentially free daycare but its one of the few good things McGuinty did while in power. Anything that can encourage people to have more kids (because of the savings, as Mike noted) is a good thing.

September 3, 2013 @ 2:17 PM


@Glen - 50 % of the time, banks will accept this 100% of the time!

@grump...totally agree!


September 3, 2013 @ 2:28 PM


@Argie - I'm surprised. You approve of taxpayers paying up to $90+K for someone to look after your kids? Providing affordable daycare options is much different then asking a teacher to babysit kids. It's a smokescreen.

September 3, 2013 @ 4:31 PM


Being a teacher in Ontario is like winning the lottery.

September 3, 2013 @ 4:44 PM


Well, I don't go to school anymore and I don't have kids because I am single and don't want anything else. I am glad no more school for me. I had to go to a boarding school in Brantford when I went to school. I hated it, especially when I was younger. I only got to go home on weekends and even some weekends I had to stay at school if my parents wanted to do something. Oh well, school is over for me. I graduated in June 1980, tthen took a medical transcription course from September 1980 until December 1981 and started working in January 1982.

Anyway, the Jays beat my diamondbacks. Well, the Jays suck. So do the Diamondbacks. Who really cares. I like the Diamondbacks because they're Arizona. Anyway, football starts this weekend. Go Cardinals. Curling is on this weekend as well. Hopefully my trainer can win, but he says it will be tough though.

September 3, 2013 @ 4:59 PM


Does a kindegarten teacher really make the same as a Grade 8 teacher with the equal amount of experience?

September 3, 2013 @ 5:44 PM


I almost forgot.
I had started (or rather resumed) with night-time career oriented schooling at Toronto's Ryerson University. It was within this millenium, and during the very first 3-hour class I watched my instructor (teacher) collapse and die.
Heavyset and wheezy, he said let's take our break a little early. Despite a hospital being perhaps one block away, he didn't survive.
BTW, I gave it up a year and half later after too much, engineered to fail, mind game adversity. Learning meant instead of studying, books and workable examples, 'informal knowing' of small precise off-course answers from prior years' students.
(I sure wish I had any nicer stories and opinions to share, on occasion!)

September 3, 2013 @ 5:50 PM


kindergarten teachers get the same pay as elementary school teachers. i pulled the PDF. 42k to start. Top out with 10+ yrs experience around 68K.

The so called 90k teachers are those with 10 years or more experience and they have to have completed specific types of training. VERY much like the Canadian Military where extra studies bring in more money.

September 3, 2013 @ 6:08 PM


@Irvine 18:08
Does that teachers' pay include gov't pension contributions, much ballyhooed 'pay freeze' contract / bonus re-negotiations, medical benefits, and employer-paid educational costs? And then there are the Assistant categories as well.
And how about parking space benefits? We have public buses, etc. running all across the entire GTA (here). We don't seem to find a ton of empty lots at many schools.
And are entire schools being operated at a responsible and fiscally affordable amount each year? Do the math. Ont. Teachers own 100% of Cadillac Fairview (the big shopping malls, and formerly MLSE plus 20% of CTVGlobeMedia during the 2000s.)

September 3, 2013 @ 7:26 PM



Music is OK. Hosts. Mmm...not so much.

September 3, 2013 @ 7:42 PM


Teachers Money, moving forward:
The Ontario's Teachers Group were the 50% partners of MGM's early 2013 proposed downtown Casino. They were also reported to have expressed interest in buying the Ontario Lottery Group (having already invested in a UK lottery agency).

disclosure note: My mom was an Ontario teacher. (She spent most of her employed years as part-time; retired 25 odd years ago. That was with a minimal post-secondary education requirement versus today's never-ending system.)

September 3, 2013 @ 7:56 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike- it did save me a small fortune, but I also think its better for the kids to go all day like everyone else.

September 3, 2013 @ 8:29 PM



Someone asked what the salaries of kindergarten teachers was. I had access to that information and I posted it. Benefit costs, pensions (or RRSPs), etc are expenses common to any business who employs professional people. What's your point?

BTW, it's the "Teachers Pension Plan". I realize this might escape you but the idea of pensions, insurance, etc is to take the contributions, invest them & try to make a return that exceeds payouts. That's called sound financial stewardship.

As for what the teachers pension invests in, who cares? Their goal is to make a profit on their investment. Who are you to judge what they invest in. Is gambling worse than investing in say cars or oil & gas?

PS. I find your ramblings to be typical "socialist" dribble. I read your blog and the first thing I noticed was you mentioning to "hire me, I need a job".

It's funny because you take shots at teachers for their supposed "lazy" ways yet here you are begging for a job. TIP. If you want a job, drive, fly or take Greyhound to Calgary. Walk into a temp agency, get a job, find a room & get going in life. You'll likely find your desired type of work. You won't find it whining about your situation on some blog.

September 3, 2013 @ 9:12 PM

Rick C in Oakville

All day daycare maybe great for during the school year but regular daycares are laying off/closing down, and wait until the parents scramble to find alternative sitting when the school year ends. Plus what about before and after school care?
Going to cost a small fortune, or you leave them in uncertain situations like what happened in Vaughn a few weeks ago with the home daycare that had far too many kids. Hell saw on the news that many school boards haven't got all the prep needed to start this program. As for the deal McGuinty made to placate the unions to hire only Teachers and not ECE's, is setting the ECE grads up for disappointment in their chosen field.
On another note, how about those declining math scores

September 3, 2013 @ 9:15 PM


@Irvine 21:12
Public Teachers (in Ontario) have become a sick vulture group. Yeah, there is a problem when they invest heavily in gov't restricted media, whereby most impressionable minds find their 'channel' of entertainments. Entertainment that is further doubled dipped in varied tax credits for productions and mandated cable fees and placements for multiple stations including multiple stations within any single genre - which they have shared ownership of while even other Cdn. companies like Quebecor have done without similar financial rulings. There is a problem when they are ones investing in a major city casino, and the lotteries - while students often get revealed for inadequate math scores. There is a problem when their successful pension balances are over-treated by the general taxpayers' share of employer contributions. There is a problem when they provide the political funding of biased front groups.
This week, Verizon decided against investing in Canada - against what is now Bell's corporation. Bell, that never had a problem accepting Disney/ESPN as its 33% foreign owner of TSN, for example. And Shaw Media, formerly part Asper-owned and started with its own foreign permitted ownership of a U.S. station (plus Australian holdings later on). Ditto goes for former Canadian Conrad Black's international newspaper empire. Bell, who owned GlobeMedia before and after the Teachers [exact corporate identity label here]. Verizon doesn't seem to have an issue investing in Europe, though.
Personally, I've taken six years of post-college 'career focused' education. I paid my entire way through it all. I got the lay-off sack twice. I got absolutely nothing except a folded high school diploma throughout my education. Not everyone has the inherent and specific abilities, for instance, to weld a pipe in the NWT, or sing upon a stage. My 2-year college transcript at Humber College was falsied with a dual fail grade. That following semester which I mentioned: Ryerson also closed its Rogers branded Business Technology building during week 7 of a 14 week computer course for its night students. How do think I still completed and passed a second half Java project - on my own, without the required compiling software and too late for a course refund? Well, I got it done.

You think maybe this is my first day at 'school'? Outside of CQ and my blog site, I've done loads of good stuff. Across various interests. And I've very rarely seen a lousy dime or even a crummy acknowledgement; I simply look like anyone else's unconnected cast-off loser. So my life has been completed with turn downs and screw-overs, well beyond that of most. Nothing else matters. Shit, I've walked into temporary employment agencies, spent over two hours at some mindless keypunch testing rooms, and had expected interviewers leave for lunch. Those were my highlights, pally.
I even once had an interview at CTV Toronto. For a maternity leave monitor reading job. To spend over 100 minutes commuting so I could phone into a different location I could have walked to in about one hour. That interview took well over an hour and a half; the manager simply wanted to kill off time and appear to be busy. I asked then whether Bell provided intra-corporate job postings; the answer was no. My prior employment had been a trail of similar non-opportunities frustration - until I was turfed out for someone's else connections.
You ever have a neighbour kill your wiener doggie, while you watched (as a child), then get out of his car and berate you to stop your crying. Yeah, I'm that kind of cast-offable. Always have been, always will be. When you learn, when you finally know that you cannot win - don't play the f'n game! You think at any time in my life, I've met better and or less hateful souls? It's NOT that I am a real goddamn bitter individual. Losing? I know that I have nothing to win.

September 4, 2013 @ 12:50 AM



You nailed it.... yeesh. Me personally I don't really care what they talk about because I tune that out, but technically they all sound like garbage. How much does it cost the station to install something called a "noise pop filter" and a DeEsser. This is radio 101. I've never heard so many popped P's and B's in my life!

Other than that, the music is outstanding and I can't wait to tune in Sunday nights to listen to Bookie do a real show. I hope his show becomes the same sort of show Martin Streek did Sunday nights on 'NY. It was destination listening time and I looked forward to that evening every week.

I'm sure it'll improve over time, but it's killing me listening to them talk.


September 4, 2013 @ 8:23 AM



I'm not sure why you don't grasp this fact but the "Teachers Pension" is not the teachers. Teachers make contributions to their pension. The teachers pension fund invests the money for a return.

As for your issues with employment. To start dude, everyone gets the shaft in life at times. Life is unfair. At times, life can be quite cruel. Unless you're rich & born into money that's going to be the reality of everyone.

When I started working for myself, I learned a hard lesson fast. If you let people walk on you, they will. You set standards & you set goals in life. Yes, at times you need to be a bit fluid but if you stick to your plan you'll get there. When you are resigned to fail, you will fail.

Dude, I've personally mentored drug addicts who came off the street & the corner. They went from crack addicted prostitutes to people who got their education & later went out and got jobs. Now, those jobs were not making 50K a year, but they were a job. Actual real dignified employment. They stand there beaming because they are so proud. The oil sands employs 10's of thousands of maritimers. Many of them show up, 6 in a car, with nothing but a pack of clothes. They set out to find work, get it & then once established follow their dreams. The world is all out there if you want it.

my advice? I'd set some goals on what you want to be & where you want to go & aim for them. Any successful person does that. Short term, Mid term and long term goals. Then you find out how to get there. You'll fall down a few times but mistakes are how you learn.

Good luck.

September 4, 2013 @ 9:13 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Thanks to Kevin in Alberta for pledging my Terry Fox Run!

September 4, 2013 @ 10:12 AM


Diamondbacks lost last night again. Well, the game doesn't really mean anything. It's just that I would have liked to see them beat the Jays and now they can't beat them, but both teams actually suck. Really looking forward to the curling that starts tomorrow in Oakville. If my trainer's team doesn't win, I hope another young team or less well known team wins. I really don't want Jacobs, Stoughton or Martin or Koe to win. Those teams win too much. Time for a change.

September 4, 2013 @ 11:02 AM


I'm not sure what I dislike most in this thread: the FDK bashing, teachers' bashing or the fact that Irvine uses the word "dude" twice in one post.

September 4, 2013 @ 1:48 PM


For me definitely the word "dude" used twice.

September 4, 2013 @ 1:50 PM


@Speysidephil, yes, you're likely correct.

September 4, 2013 @ 2:26 PM


@Elba -

Imagine what a boring place this would be if you agreed with every comment?

September 4, 2013 @ 5:14 PM

twins from bolton

Been unavailable for a while as son got married 3 weeks ago & other "stuff" - work & family.

@ Mike

Good luck with your move tomorrow as we have moved 3 times in last 25 years as very stressful situation every time, especially the last time from T.O. to Bolton with 8 year old twins.

September 4, 2013 @ 6:29 PM


haters is a sign of success. imma change my name to Daddy Mac.

September 4, 2013 @ 8:02 PM


@Corey, very true. I just wasn't sure which issue to tackle first. Alas, I've moved on now... perhaps in the next Open Mike.

September 5, 2013 @ 10:47 AM


My trainer won his first game, but lost the second. Damn that Joe Frans guy. He's another I can do without. My trainer was winning. Frans comes back and wins the game. Anyway, next game for my trainer is at 7:00 tomorrow. They'll win I hope. They better.

September 5, 2013 @ 5:54 PM

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