The Best Open Mike Yet?

Open MikeI have a feeling this will be the best Open Mike yet. Such feelings of mine are only wrong about 50% of the time.

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This will be the best Open Mike yet because I'm going to take this place to prevent anyone from shouting "FIRST!"

August 6, 2013 @ 9:03 AM

Jason from Sudbury

@Markosaar: You got me! lol

So sick and tired of hearing about A-Rod. Caught his presser last night what a load of crap especially the first part of it.

August 6, 2013 @ 9:10 AM

Al The Royal Pain

As of this comment, this Open Mike is on pace to be the best one yet...barring any future steroid controversy.

August 6, 2013 @ 9:11 AM


I'm cautious to vent or rant due to the fact I might be accused of being an old angry, white guy shouting from the front porch.

Also, I wonder if Lorne (I think that's his name) is really serious that he has a program that blocks my posts. If its true, that's odd.

August 6, 2013 @ 9:41 AM

Mississauga Phil

Don't know about everyone else, but I had an awesome long weekend. Went to MarineLand with my son on Saturday. Other than some pain in the butt traffic coming through Burlington to St. Catharines on the way there, not a complaint in the world, the weather was gorgeous, the deer were friendly, and we fed a Beluga Whale.

He could not go on Dragon Mountain due to being about 3 inches too short....I told him to make sure he eats his veggies all winter and he'll be sure to grow those 3 inches and be able to ride it next year. (Subtle, aren't I?)

August 6, 2013 @ 9:52 AM


@ Phil

Look out, the animal rights extremists will be coming after you! In their eyes, supporting Marineland is akin to supporting the Nazis.

August 6, 2013 @ 9:57 AM

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I wouldn't call it akin to supporting the Nazis, but I'm a parent who has decided not to take his kids to Marineland.

I just choose to do other things... I don't need to support that.

August 6, 2013 @ 10:02 AM


Really sad about Shawn Burr.
He was battling cancer for years but apparently died from a fall at his house.

August 6, 2013 @ 10:50 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - Pardon my ignorance, but why not?

August 6, 2013 @ 10:52 AM

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@Mississauga Phil

A lengthy list of animal rights violations...

August 6, 2013 @ 11:00 AM


"Every whale hates Marineland!"

I'm not a PETA member or anything, but I'm totally against Marineland, circuses, etc. Zoos are different, at least in my mind. Anything that uses animals as entertainment is wrong as far as I'm concerned, but ripping something as intelligent as an orca from it's natural habitat and dropping it into what is essentially a bathtub, to do stupid tricks, is not only cruel, it's dangerous. There are many species that actually benefit from living in Zoos, in that they live longer than they would in the wild, but this isn't true of marine mammals like killer whales. They actually have much, much shorter life expectancies in captivity. I'm looking forward to watching "Blackfish" - from what I understand, this movie is going to make huge strides towards banning these "animals-as-entertainment" places.

August 6, 2013 @ 11:03 AM


I've been to Marine Land as a child and as parent. As a family outing I found it quite expensive and disappointing. There is a lot of underutilized land resulting in a lot of walking and to few attractions. In addition, my kids (who were both under 10 at the time) didn't have any fun and had to be forced into accepting souvenirs!!??.

Despite Marine Land’s recent issues with animal rights groups and disgruntled ex-employees...I just felt that there is a ton of missed opportunities there. I still think you need to go at least once as most kids rarely get a chance to see whales/dolphins up close. Hopefully they’ll get their act together.

August 6, 2013 @ 11:13 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike and Corey - I'm going to do some more research into this. But it would appear to me that the "animal cruelty" charges stem from 2 nutbar animal rights activists who are trying to shut down every zoo and animal themed attraction in North America, and was substantiated by a disgruntled former employee who's reality show idea was shot down by MarineLand Brass

I'm not saying I am taking the word of a press release on a corporate website, but I will say that the treatment these creatures get in the wild is abhorrent as well, and I'm not about to blindly take The Toronto Star's word on the subject....

August 6, 2013 @ 11:26 AM

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@Mississauga Phil

The official Marineland Blog will definitely try and spin this.

The Star did a lot of good investigation work. It was compelling, and I've been happily raising my kids Marineland-free.

But I won't throw red paint on you if you take your kid there. Enjoy!

August 6, 2013 @ 11:33 AM


@Phil -

I seem to recall that the recommendations by the OPSCA as a result of their Marineland investigation didn't really amount to much, but regardless, I don't understand why people need proof of cruelty to know that this is just wrong.

It's been well established that whales, dolphins, etc. are incredibly intelligent animals. They aren't happy to be stuck in a small pool for the amusement of people, and I think we should have advanced past this by now.

August 6, 2013 @ 11:50 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - I'm gonna look into this a bit more. My issue is that there are crazies out there who care more about the treatment of animals than they do about their fellow man. And the Star has been known to go overboard when they get an idea stuck in their head. If Marineland is actually mistreating these animals, then Saturday will be the last dollar they ever get out of me. But if this is the brainchild of a couple over the top animal rights activists, a disgruntled former employee, and a member of a dying medium desperate to stay relevant, well...that's a different story altogether.

August 6, 2013 @ 11:50 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - So not trying to start a fight with you, far from it. But do you eat beef/pork/chicken?? Do you know the living conditions that our daily meals live in before the slaughter?

Again, I'm not defending MarineLand here, I clearly missed this when it was news earlier this year. All I can say is I saw hundreds of Families having a great time, I saw children excited and running around, probably learning a few things as opposed to sitting at home playing video games. I saw animals that "appeared" happy with their lot in life. I swear the Beluga my son fed was smiling (I know a whale can't smile, but there was definitely a spring in her swim.)

August 6, 2013 @ 11:57 AM


Argie, I will be honest with you. I enjoy reading everyone's posts but when I get to one of yours I cringe in anticipation of a misogynistic or homophobic comment. It's awful and way behind the times. But you seem like an engaged and interesting person, so if you could tone down the hateful stuff, maybe other readers wouldn't want to block you out :)

August 6, 2013 @ 12:03 PM


Got to BBQ twice this weekend, including eating the backyard for the first time this year. Not too hot, not too cold. Perfect. Smoked ribs on day, and plank-roasted salmon the next. Couldn't ask for a better long weekend.

August 6, 2013 @ 12:17 PM

4X4 Time

This may be old news for beer drinkers on theis blog, but this weekend one of my friends brought over some Goose Island Matilda Belgian Style Ale. It was ice cold, and very refreshing. Not a big beer drinker, but I would try this again. I think it is made in the US, comes in a bigger bottle.

August 6, 2013 @ 12:21 PM


@ Rosie

I don't think I write anything "hateful". To me that's an over used buzz word people use when they don't like an opinion. If you disagree with my opinions please counter with one of yours. I will resort to sarcasm and insults if I'm attacked. I just wish some people grew thicker skin so that not everything that goes against the often offended, would be deemed as "hateful". Some groups just love to play the victim card - but that's another topic.

If I say I'm anti-abortion or against gay-marriage, that's a fair opinion. If I say gays are sub-human or women are stupid, that's offensive and I suppose "hateful".

So, do you agree with me, now?

August 6, 2013 @ 12:26 PM


@Phil -

Yup, I eat all of those things, and yes, I'm well aware of the conditions most of them are raised and processed in. Because I eat animals raised specifically for slaughter doesn't mean I should make the ones I don't eat miserable as well.

I'm sure Marineland was packed, all with people who, like yourself, were blissfully unaware of any problem. I'm not judging you, I'm just telling you, look behind the curtain. It's never to late to learn. Check out documentaries like The Cove, and Blackfish. Maybe once you do, you'll feel differently. That would be a good thing.

August 6, 2013 @ 12:42 PM


No Argie, hateful isn't a buzzword. It has a specific meaning that applies to a lot of what you post online.

I agree with Rosie, you may in fact be a nice person once all the homophobia, ignorance and bigotry are removed. Education would help.

August 6, 2013 @ 1:02 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - I am planning on investigating this further. What I can tell you is the cousin of a co-worker of mine is a marine biologist employed by MarineLand and she has some choice words for the former trainer who worked there and the activists and newspaper involved.

All I would ask you, is why are you more concerned for the killer whale who is kept in a safe, secure place with lots of food and the company of it's kin than the cow or pig that you'll be cooking for dinner tonight? Why is one cruel and the other not. I'm not asking you to become a vegetarian (gross...) I eat the same beef and pork you do, I'm just curious as to what the difference is.

August 6, 2013 @ 1:07 PM


@ Icarus
In your world, is there a "non-hateful" way I can state my opinion on the two previously noted issues? Probably not eh?

August 6, 2013 @ 1:08 PM

Lyle Lanley

I've read every Open Mike yet and this very well may be the best one.

Cue the descent into madness!

August 6, 2013 @ 3:25 PM


@ Phil
If I became a vegetarian the only thing I would miss would be a nice steak. Outside of that, I could live without meat.

August 6, 2013 @ 3:44 PM


Just a question!!

Why is it that anytime anyone states an opinion against the gay lifestyle they are automatically labelled a Homophobe. That is not a comment on this blog but a general statement in society.
Can you not disagree with that particular lifestyle without being called a homophobe and being judged as homophobic.

August 6, 2013 @ 3:45 PM


@ Phil - that's pretty easy to explain. I'm a realist. We gotta eat, and we're not going to convert an entire planet to vegetarianism. So you can consider the food industry, as it relates to animals, as a necessary evil.

We don't need to imprison intelligent, sentient animals solely to amuse us. Despite being in safe and secure areas, a Killer Whale in the wild can live up to 80 years, while in captivity, they generally don't make it to half that age. I shouldn't even be focussing on just killer whales - my whole point we should really get past the notion of taking any animal out of it's natural environment just to entertain us.

August 6, 2013 @ 3:53 PM

twins from bolton

One of my sons, Andrew is getting married this Friday in Ottawa where he attends University of Ottawa as well as his new bride. Still 1 year to graduation. Both are doing very well at UofO & will continue to complete their studies.

Both are very religious & that is their common bond. 4 or 5 years ago he was typical 16-17 year old in high school, partying with friends, some drinking & toking & bangin' chicks (I did catch him with this last one coming home from work early).

Andrew's twin Chris is not really supporting this marriage as he & his twin brother were like 2 peas in a pod throughout their childhood. Even though they live away from each other now they always communicate.

Kids grow up & mature & we as parents have to realize there comes a time that our kids will leave the nest & move on.

August 6, 2013 @ 4:26 PM


The Coyotes are sticking around. yes, they have an owner now. That's great. There will be coyotes forever. If you don't like it, too bad. Aside from my Habs, I love the Coyotes as well. They're going to the finals with my habs. That will be great. Diamondbacks keep losing, but they suck. I only like the diamondbacks because they're from Arizona. They're just another team who plays boring baseball.

August 6, 2013 @ 5:19 PM


Hey Cheryl,

If the Coyotes were in the finals against the Habs, wouldn't your head explode?

August 6, 2013 @ 5:25 PM

4x4 Time

Speaking of hockey...I was in a car today and the driver was listening to Sat Radio sports, flipping around the channels. Around noon or so we were listening to a hockey station, and they were previewing the new conferences and teams. These guys did not give much love to the Leafs and basically said they will be really in tough to make the playoffs.The Leafs did not upgrade goal or defence while others in their division/conference did
I am at best a very casual hockey fan, but I hear all the Leaf news, and I thought they updgraded this summer. I am wrong?

August 6, 2013 @ 5:36 PM

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@4x4 Time

I might be in the minority here, but I think we're slightly improved.

Clarkson and Bolland and my kind of players and I won't miss Grabovski. Meanwhile, Reimer and Bernier is better than Reimer and Scrivens.

I expect us to make the playoffs and maybe even win a round this season.

August 6, 2013 @ 5:42 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Have to agree, this weather over the weekend was perfect. I've done more outside this year as the intolerable heat hasn't drove me in doors to suck up to my air conditioner.

August 6, 2013 @ 6:41 PM


Wow - the story of the two little boys killed by the Rock Python is horrific and mind-boggling. It seems bizarre to me that a snake would have the opportunity, and motivation to kill twice, and at least one of those poor kids didn't have the opportunity to get away. What a terrible fate.

August 6, 2013 @ 7:26 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Corey: Just like the Marineland theme, I just can't see having a Python of this size knowing what they are capable of. Heard that the Python was not actually in the store below, but kept in the living quarters of the owner. An unbelievable nightmare for the parents of these little boys. Just unbelievable.

August 6, 2013 @ 9:19 PM

4x4 Time

Agreed, sad story indeed about the two young brothers in N.B. I cannot imagine the grief the family is going through...Good looking fun filled young men in the pictures, really tugs the heart strings...

August 6, 2013 @ 9:47 PM


There's always someone out there who feels the need to own a tiger, python, spider or some other exotic animal without thinking of possible consequences

...kind of puts that cute Ikea monkey in a different light…

August 7, 2013 @ 8:06 AM


I'm going to be very interested in the results of the police investigation into the python story. From everything I've read about constrictors, like all snakes, they're cold-blooded. Because of this, they won't typically expend energy unless they have to. They also won't use constriction as a defence if they feel threatened. It would try to get away until cornered and then maybe strike with a bite. So this snake was apparently actively hunting because it was hungry. But again, that would account for it killing one boy. It wouldn't then unwrap from it's first victim to move on to the next. So were the boys sleeping very closely together and it took them both at once? Maybe I've watched too many Columbo episodes or's just such a weird story.

August 7, 2013 @ 10:26 AM


It would be great. habs and Coyotes in the final. Oh well, less than two months and we get some hockey. Diamondbacks won last night. Yawn. It's a little too late I think. Oh well, playing baseball is a lot better than watching it, that's for sure.

August 7, 2013 @ 10:59 AM

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I'm really missing NHL hockey these days.

The Jays are toast and I'm not really a football guy anymore, so I'm just waiting for the Leafs so I have some good chill programming at night.

August 7, 2013 @ 11:45 AM


Kudos to Minnan-Wong.


August 7, 2013 @ 12:03 PM


H+F desperate to get a guest spot on 88.1? Guess things aren't going as well as they keep yelling about

August 7, 2013 @ 1:13 PM

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Out of curiosity, how well do they claim to be doing?

I mean, they own their own business and deliver their daily content via podcast, SiriusXM and 1010, and can sign up any sponsor they want at any rate they can charge. They're their own bosses, doing the type of show they want to do. Isn't that a pretty cool success story?

August 7, 2013 @ 1:38 PM


@Corey I thought the same thing in that the boys were likely sleeping side by side and were killed at the same time. Also, if the snake fell from the ceiling, wouldn't that have made a noise and woken the man up? There are so many unanswered questions here. Regardless, it's absolutely horrifying.

August 7, 2013 @ 1:57 PM


A guest spot on 88.1 would be nice (that throne thing). But I don't see H & F doing their old cfny announcer thing anymore. At this point they're beyond playing tunes

August 7, 2013 @ 2:42 PM

4x4 Time

I have heard Humble and Fred a few times on Sat Radio in the car. Not really my cup of tea, so I am not a regular listener. But why all the bashing on these guys? They are doing something they have done all their lives on their own dime and trying to carve out a living. What's wrong with that? If you don't like them, don't listen.

August 7, 2013 @ 3:49 PM


Haven't been here for a while, some loose end thoughts. First PYTHON, I feel the same way as when a family member accidentally leaves a gun out, or leaving the key in the ignition & some kid gets in the an accident. It's your responsibility whoever owns this dangerous animal/product. I think we say the term "accident" too often, this is more negligent, which I think is brushed off way too easily.

This week for me is about the Rogers cup Tennis, I think it's the best sporting event value of any of the sports. Early in the tournament a ticket doesn't just get you multiple games in Centre Court, but you can also walk around the grounds during the day (and evening) and there's a handful of other matches going on the same time. During the day there's at times twenty matches you can select and goes on from morning to evening. With tournament style everybody playing hard. The side courts are amazing, with just a few rows you sit just a few feet away from the action. Again best sports value.

Just some quick politics, it looks like some inside the conservative party are turning on Hudak. I said back in May this would happen & Hudak fell right in the trap. With Holyday in, the weasel is in the hen house. Let's get this straight, there's a by-election is in Windsor, London & Ottawa. So they have Hudak paired with Ford who says Toronto should have a special deal for a Casino (what do you think Windsor feels about that) and that Toronto suburb is a second class citizen for not having a subway(couldn't believe Timmy was dumb enough to say that term) So what do bigger population in Ottawa & London feel about that?

It's almost looks like they were sabotaging Hudak chances from within. Put yourself in Ottawa or London shoes who have buses and LRT, is their top level of transit and you hear the "conservative" political pandering to a spoiled Toronto suburb and their crackhead Mayor for a subway not because it's a necessity, but because they are they feel jealous and saying terms like "second class citizen" when everybody else in the province his this "so called" second class transit. Even though Hudak didn't push for casino, being paired with buddy blowhard Ford "we need a special casino deal" didn't help him in Windsor.

August 7, 2013 @ 8:02 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Good points Tron, I have met Hudak a few years ago during one of the election campaigns, and one on one he is very personable. Unfortunately the policy's they have tried to run with are scaring off the urban voters, and his delivery is very robotic. The liberals just seem to have enough Mojo to get them through the scandals. Happen to notice a lot of apologies on the Liberals agenda lately. Deb Mathews apologised today over the cancer drug scandal. Sorry never entered the lexicon of the McGuinty era.

August 7, 2013 @ 8:45 PM



First off, I would be one of the first people here to defend your right to have and express your opinion. I do not have to agree with your opinion either to defend your right to it. In fact, I give credit to those that actually have one! With regard to your approach, I think you would benefit more from a less confrontational, "in your face" method of expressing your opinion.

I have found that expressing the same thing over and over simply irritates some people, however, restating the same opinion with new information or a different approach can often engage people in conversation and even win some over to your side.

I'm really interested in the Ford-haters silence on the Minnan-Wong situation. I mean Mayor Ford didn't attend the Gay Pride parade and was literally and figuratively roasted in the media and on this blog as well as others. Yet Minnan-Wong has done the exact same thing and not a peep. @Argie's comment being the exception.

I recognize that Councillor Minnan-Wong stated his reasons and didn't attend or excused himself from participating, but the point is, he didn't participate and that is what got Mayor Ford roasted.

So, let's hear the vitriol for Councillor Minnan-Wong.

I'm with @Argie on this one. Albeit for completely different reasons. Kudos to Councillor Minnin-Wong


August 7, 2013 @ 9:04 PM


Kudos for what? For not honouring physicians who advocated tirelessly for women and risked their own lives while doing so? Did he spend his time that he wasn't participating in the street-naming ceremony volunteering at a women's shelter or fundraising for the Foster Parents Society?

It's easy not to show up because of your principles, it's harder to actually show up and help people who need it.

August 7, 2013 @ 10:39 PM


Pete: Ford is the leader of this city, shirking a massive tourism-boosting event (presumably) due to personal discomfort. (Meanwhile attending every single relatively minor event.)

Wong is a councilor presiding over a local street naming. Never mind trying to find equivalency between gay rights and abortion, the scale is completely off.

Argie: you're literate and thoughtful. I don't agree with you often, but at least you try to make a case. I'm only really annoyed by Spysidephil who keeps shooting his mouth off, but doesn't actually make any argument.

I guess I used to consider you "homophobic" because I noticed you use mild slurs like "the limp-wristed" to refer to gay people. But using the word to mean "fear of homosexuality", I just don't understand what the problem is with gay couples having property rights, power of attorney, etc. Maybe I've misunderstood you, but you seem to be against allowing them any marriage-like rights.

I know several people I'd put into the same category, so I tend to think of you in the same way, which might not be fair. Other people I've heard have literally claimed that gay marriage cheapens hetero marriage which completely blows my mind. Or that gay adoption is a "sick experiment" ... when there are only children to adopt because of the countless failed hetero relationships.

August 7, 2013 @ 11:32 PM


"...and risked their own lives while doing so?"

Oh please.

August 8, 2013 @ 6:55 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ markosaar - I, for one, know of a few gay couples that I think would make awesome parents. All the more so for the amount of scrutiny they would have to go through before adopting. If two loving people want to raise a child, kudos to them.

Us hetero's only need to have sex to have a screening process there..

August 8, 2013 @ 8:16 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Markosaar: I think the problem with Argie is the way that he positions gays as evil. He absolves the catholic church of guilt, by stating that all the acts of sexual abuse at the hands of priests was the result of gays. This does a great disservice to those affected by sexual abuse and almost makes a mockery of them. Especially girls that were sexually abused.

That of course is just one example of the way he swings a hammer indicating the evils of homosexuality. I also don't think there is a tight rope you can walk where your comments are almost homophobic, but don't go all the way. That's more of a scapegoat, because you say well I didn't use that word or at least I didn't say it like this.

Be against gay marriage or for it, that's your prerogative. I don't think anyone should be prevented from being married. With the caveat that I don't condone arranged marriage or the marrying of children to adults. I don't believe that a church should be forced to marry a gay couple if they have reservations against it as a religious standard. That same church shouldn't be preventing them from marrying anywhere else.

I thought it hilarious this morning when I read this article at the huffingtonpost.

Normally Baird is a blow hard who loves to hear himself talk. I have to commend him on his stance here. That is not what I found funny, is the fact that a woman's group was trying to ban rights for gays. Hypocrisy at its finest.

August 8, 2013 @ 8:20 AM



And just when have I shot my mouth off?
I make comments and ask questions, isn't that what this blog is all about.
Vent, Rant, share stories and ask questions.
Please explain.

August 8, 2013 @ 8:56 AM


@Ben Vidal

The claim made by the Church that acts of sexual abuse & paedophilia are because of gays is absolute nonsense. The bulk of males convicted with paedophilia are heterosexual males. There are a smaller percentage of women who are arrested & convicted for sexual abuse on children. While not always, paedophilia often goes hand in hand with child trafficking. This is nearly always at the hands of some level of organized crime not some gay dude. You'd likely be surprised & frightened to find out the methods used to lure in children.

August 8, 2013 @ 9:11 AM

Ben Vidal

@ AKFAI: I'm well aware of what you just said. Please read what I wrote again. My point was Argie believes its just evil gays being paedophiles. I am well aware of stats and tactics involved in paedophilia and child trafficking. I've worked with and spent time with victims of such abuses. That's why I stated what Argie believes and spouts, does a great disservice to those who have suffered sexual abuse.

August 8, 2013 @ 9:22 AM

4x4 Time

@ AKFAI, Ben Vidal - I am glad I do not know a lot of things, and equally glad there are people that do and try and protect us from such evils.

August 8, 2013 @ 9:48 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Speyside - I'm actually on your side for this one. To my recollection, I've never heard you spout anything that I's consider "Homophobic". It is clear that it is a lifestyle you don't agree with, and that's your right. I think the Amish are silly: the beards, the clothes, the lack of any modern's ridiculous.

To my eye, it becomes homophobia when you start attacking (either verbally or physically) someone based on their sexual preferences. Or when you try to tell someone else how lo live their life.

Again, to the best of my recollection you have not done these things, merely stated you opinion, one i disagree with, but an opinion you are entitled to.

August 8, 2013 @ 9:59 AM



Exactly Phil, I would never spew hate or intolerance.
Each to their own.
Thank you.

August 8, 2013 @ 10:18 AM


Ben I was agreeing with you not challenging you. Argie tends to have opinions sculpted by mainstream media, movies and stereotypes.

The major reason that certain groups seem to go unscathed is because they use 3rd party handlers. Its akin to how Hells Angels use puppet clubs. You insulate the "top brass" as it were.

August 8, 2013 @ 10:40 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Speyside - Just calling it as I see it. I'm trying to revamp the image of "Mississauga Phil" on this blog. While I am passionate about my opinions, I allowed Dave W. to goad me into acting more "angry" than I really am. A lot of that came from the constant pot-shots he would take at me, and then certain folks here coming to his defense when any sane person could see he was trying to get me going. He was a bully in the strictest terms and I do not miss him.

I would miss hearing from guys like you or Argie. I rarely agree with either of you, we look at the world differently, but intelligent debate is something i greatly enjoy.

If people can't see the difference between the way guys like Argie and AFKI act, versus a tool like Dave, more the pity.

August 8, 2013 @ 11:05 AM


I wish I had the time to defend myself but I don't. Too damn busy at work.

I can't even go for a workout today - with my gay friends (who always seem to be working out.....)

August 8, 2013 @ 11:11 AM


Ben,Irvy, and others:

I don't believe being gay is evil or that they're sub-human. I believe everyone should be treated the same (i.e. equal rights for all and no special rights for any).

My only exception where I would differ with most of you would be on same-sex marriage. I place that in the same category as polygamy (which is fine for consenting adults but should not be sanctioned by the state as a marriage). Marriage is a religious sacrament - not a human right like personal safety or the right to be hired based on your qualifications and not your gender, race or sexuality.

I admit in the past I have taken some shots at certain groups but generally those have come after I or a group I'm defending has been attacked. Other times I do it in jest - too bad most people today have lost their sense of humour (at least when it comes to certain protected groups).

God, it seems every Open Mike I have to defend and clarify my positions - getting kind of tired of it.

That's all I have now. Back to work you slackers!

August 8, 2013 @ 12:42 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Phil: so you have to be attacking someone verbally or physically to be homophobic? What about exclusion, outright ignoring or preventing someone from achieving a desire like a job or a sports team?. Actions speak louder than words and none of that has to be an attack.

Great example of a homophob that didn't attack verbally or physically is Terrence Young. MP for Oakville. This guy is a massive douche bag for a number of reasons. I used to serve/manage at a restaurant in Oakville that doesn't exist now. This turd used to come in with a harem of women(I can only assume interns). If one of the two gay guys working at the restaurant got him seated in their section he would ask the manager to be moved immediately to a section that had a good looking female server. Chances are the place he got moved to he received worse service than he would if he was served by one of the gay servers. Heaven forbid it was a slow day, if big ol baby Terrence young had to be served by one of the gay guys, he would be an absolute asshole to them. Not once did he have to mention their sexual preference for everyone to plainly see he had a disdain for gay people. I could go on about this asshole forever as he frequented this establishment 3 or 4 times a week. Most of the time with his harem of women and then sometimes with his wife. If you ever mentioned seeing him earlier that week, he'd get mad and treat you like shit. Mainly I assume because he was up to no good with his harem of women. There were even times when he expected free food, because we should know who he is. Of course these latter points have nothing to do with his like or dislike for gay people. Simply the fact that he's just an all around bag of dicks.

@AKFAI: My apologies. I didn't think you were attacking, I thought perhaps you thought my view was in line with Argies. My mistake

August 8, 2013 @ 12:49 PM

Ben Vidal

In other new, or the farce of a news station. I felt bad for sun News today. I watched it more than the comedy channel for things to laugh about. I did however enjoy one comment on the Globe and Mail about it.

"Seriously, how can you be all right-wingy and freemarkety and ask for to be a "must carry". Aren't these people all about freedom of the individual consumer to choose?

They think freedom is the freedom to bankrupt one's self for surgery, surely freedom is also whether or not to order an obscure cable "news" channel."

I am glad they got all 50,000 people who actually watch that channel to sign a petition.

August 8, 2013 @ 1:00 PM


And Ben it was a SUN big wig who had no interest in the whole thing just a couple of years ago. My how things change. The "free market" is only good when its on your side

August 8, 2013 @ 1:41 PM


@Ben - unless there's more to the story you didn't relate, it sounds to me like the douchey MP was just more interested in ogling a hot young waitress than being served by a dude. Creepy and odious to be sure, but I don't get the homophobic connection. If the first server was a straight male, did he stay put?

August 8, 2013 @ 2:11 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: Sorry I didn't quantify that. Yes he would stay put if the guy was straight. I had the unpleasant task of serving him a couple of times with no request to be moved. Whereas the two gay servers were openly gay, and had a certain flare that they openly indicated made them look like they were on fire(their words not mine).

Don't get me wrong he was a bit of a dick to everyone. It was the almost open hostility and preparedness to spit venom that would occur the moment he received service from either of them vs. how the rest of us were treated.

Also a number of situations in which that as one of the servers in question laughter would erupt immediately after order was placed with Terrence often pointing or all eyes moving to the server in question.

Most telling was the tip, everyone received approximately 10% from this cheap douche. Whereas either of the gay servers(who were perhaps the best on staff) received whatever took the guy to round up i.e., $39.41 to $40.00 or $56.13 to $57.00.

August 8, 2013 @ 2:27 PM


@ Ben
Why do you and the others have to keep using the buzzword "homophobic"? The guy's is obviously a dick - plain and simple.

By labelling him "homophobic" does that somehow put him on a level with Paul Bernardo or other serial killers? Who gives a crap if he doesn't like gay people? He's just an dick who cheats on his wife and is a cheapskate. End of story.

August 8, 2013 @ 2:57 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Amen

@ Ben - I worked in restaurants for years. I am the farthest thing from a "homophobe" and I'd prefer not be served by gay servers, and here's why:

It has been my experience after 10+ years in hospitality that most gay servers walk around with a massive chip on their shoulders. They tend to be the most flamboyant of people, and get into borderline reverse homophobia (hating straight people, men specifically, for no other reason than they are straight). They tend to be rude, snobby and impossible to deal with. A simple request gets you a roll of the eye like you are inconveniencing them.

So, while this MP seems like a massive douche, and the servers in question may be the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet, they could just as easily be like the majority of gay men I have dealt with in the restaurant industry.

I managed a fine dining restaurant in Oakville, and had a server who happened to be gay. He looked down, and talked down, to the "slobs" (his words not mine) in the kitchen. He went to far one night and our chef demanded this server be let go.

He immediately cried "homophobia" despite the fact that not 2 days earlier I had removed 2 guests from the restaurant who made derogatory remarks in his direction. The guy was fired because he was a jackass and impossible to work with. But of course, in his mind it was all bout him being gay....

August 8, 2013 @ 3:22 PM


While we're on the topic, what is with the affectation that some gay men put on? Like the guys in Ben's story - the practiced, over-the-top "flamboyance", stereotypical lisping etc. Is it just a deliberate statement to broadcast that they're gay and proud to be?

August 8, 2013 @ 3:45 PM

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Something like that...

August 8, 2013 @ 3:48 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Phil: I care nothing for other servers. I care about the treatment the ones in question received. There are bad, straight servers all over the place. So your point is moot. I don't need generalization from you Phil. I also worked in the hospitality industry for nearly 9 year and I could argue the opposite to you. It doesn't matter. I measure the consistent situation based on what I witnessed and the character of both parties involved.

Yes he is a massive douche, but what he demonstrated to those in question was nothing short of intolerance.

@ Argie: Get over yourself. As I said before you can't walk the line saying my comments are in jest or well at least I didn't say that. My whole point which of course Mississauga Phil never addressed is that you don't have to be physically and verbally attacking someone to be homophobic, racist or sexist. Passive aggressive overtures work just as well, or even no overture at all.

Clearly certain things fall on deaf ears with you. I understand though. In your case you swing a hammer that borders on offensive about gay people. All the while saying you don't have a problem with them. Then you lament the fact that people refer to you as homophobic. How convenient. You're like that girl in high school sleeping around and seeing more shaft than an elevator. Then the girl in question gets completely offended when someone calls her easy or anything resembling a reference to a slut.

August 8, 2013 @ 3:50 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: I'd argue that for some, such actions are prevalent from a very young age, before the the awareness of what is gay and what is straight is even in that childs head.

August 8, 2013 @ 3:53 PM


@Ben: maybe - for some. I don't remember encountering any kids growing up who fit that description. I don't know any young kids now that I would describe as "flamboyant". It wasn't until high school and college that I ever noticed this behaviour.

August 8, 2013 @ 4:05 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - I don't know the servers in question, so I could say I care not for them.

My point was, many gay men, and i find specifically those drawn to the restaurant industry, don't do themselves any favors with their behavior, and I'm not talking about lisps, or limp wrists, or anything else like that. These men DEFINE themselves by their gayness.

It is the basis of what they are as a person. So instead of being a server, or a friend or a brother, or a partner who happens to be gay, the are GAY FIRST and all of these other things are just secondary characteristics. I am not defined by my sexuality. I am a father, brother, son and friend, who happens to also be straight. These men (and women as well)who are gay first and everything else second are doing themselves no favors.

August 8, 2013 @ 4:15 PM

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@Ben Vidal

There's a great episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm in which Larry refers to this as pre-gay.

The young child has no sexual preference yet, but he's clearly pre-gay.

August 8, 2013 @ 4:15 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: yes for some. One could say I don't remember kids growing up that were meat head sports guys. It wasn't until highschool or college that such behavior became evident. Perhaps in all cases where you end up in a certain group acting a certain way is your feeling of belonging?

It's all about experience in the end, I grew up on a candy cane shaped court in Oakville. Tonnes of kids all around the same age, close knit neighbors. Really a typical Neilsen family street. Just so happened there were two kids on the street, that were very flamboyant from the get go. It was a common belief that one especially was going to be gay. In the end both were. Which for Oakville at the time was big. At that time there was nowhere that either could have picked up the behavior other than from each other, but then it becomes a chicken or the egg situation.

At the same time I don't remember a single person in my graduating grade or the one ahead or below having the same traits.

August 8, 2013 @ 4:18 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Toronto Mike: I remember laughing my ass off(which happens with nearly every curb episode) at that part.

August 8, 2013 @ 4:19 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Phil: Your point in regards to what I was discussing? I don't see it?

August 8, 2013 @ 4:22 PM


@ Phil

Clearly you must have fabricated that story because everyone knows there's no such thing as a mean spirited gay person. They're all good-natured, well-adjusted (cough, cough) caring people that we breeders can all aspire to.

The only people who are jerks, racist and/or a-holes are white Christian hetro men. The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be.

August 8, 2013 @ 6:45 PM

Dan Savage

Halloween is heterosexuals straight pride parade

August 8, 2013 @ 7:01 PM


what a bag of dicks you all are

lead by a neckbeard

get lives

August 8, 2013 @ 7:24 PM


Diamondbacks won yesterday. They're going nowhere though. As for Rogers Cup, I don't follow it. I like playing tennis, but not watching it. It's boring to watch just like I like playing baseball. Oh well, had a conference call today. Another one. We'll be eventually going to mostly editing reports instead of typing them.

August 8, 2013 @ 8:39 PM

Ben Vidal

Awww Argie you are so hard done by.

August 9, 2013 @ 8:14 AM


@ Ben
You seemed to have slipped back to being an obnoxious, annoying lefty. Must be Irv's influence on you.

August 9, 2013 @ 8:31 AM

Ben Vidal

Quite the contrary Argie. As I've said before. There are a number of things that I agree with you on. When I do agree you don't hear a peep out of me. If I disagree with you, then of course you will hear from me.

This issue I don't think there is a middle ground between you and I.


Stop playing the I'm a white guy hard done by card.

Just to reiterate I've never said there aren't people who are shitty human beings and also gay. Unfortunately this is where you and I differ. You see them as mean spirited gay people who also happen to be humans(or sub human in the way you speak of them).

As for Phil's massive generalization comment of having worked with gay people in the restaurant industry, it actually counts for nothing. We all know if it's what you've experienced then it must be true of all circumstances.....

August 9, 2013 @ 8:54 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - Okay buddy. I've been nothing but polite to you, but here's the score.

I have gay friends, I've been to a civil union ceremony and danced at the reception after. I have signed petitions to allow gay adoption.

However, I have also dealt with massive assholes who's define their own life by their sexuality and spew venom at anyone that isn't like them. That makes them as bad as the people they say keep them down. The fact that most of those douchebags I've met happen to have worked in the restaurant industry may be an aberration, or it may not.

But by making an asshole statement that my experiences in life count for nothing makes you a worse douche than you accuse Argie of being (I'm not calling you a douche Argie). Get off your damn high horse, participate in the conversation as opposed to just waiting for your turn to speak. I never said every gay man in the restaurant industry is like that, In simply said the majority of gay folks that I've met who act like that are working in said industry.

I'm one of the few men on this site that will stand up for gay rights every time, and maybe you shouldn't work so hard to alienate folks like me.

August 9, 2013 @ 9:35 AM


Corey. You are aware that Minnan-Wong refused to honour a moment of silence in council when Dr. Henry Morgentaler died in May? A doctor who:

"was threatened with death, attacked with garden shears, roughed up by a mob, caricatured as a baby butcher, splashed with ketchup and accused of fomenting violence. He escaped injury when one clinic was firebombed. After several abortion doctors were shot, he wore bulletproof vests and installed bulletproof windows at home." (from the NYT May 29-13)

Not risky enough for you? 'Please' indeed

August 9, 2013 @ 2:51 PM

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