Tuesday Open Mike

Open MikeMark Twain once famously said "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." What did he know?

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Argie

Its a great quote and I'm guessing Twain wouldn't have been a big fan of Twitter, facebook or blogs of any kind.

August 27, 2013 @ 8:17 AM

Boomer

Heading to TO tonight to see Sammy Hagar and Kim Mitchell. Good times!

August 27, 2013 @ 8:34 AM

4x4 Time

After golf yesterday,and sitting around talking about all sorts of things. The MTV video came up and it was agreed that these two losers were terrible singers, and we would never again buy a foam finger at a sporting event.

Then we discussed our favorite singers. People we like to listen too, not necessarily the best singers. Here are my picks – Joe Cocker, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, Jeff Lynne, Gregg Allman…I know, I am old.

August 27, 2013 @ 9:17 AM

Argie

@ 4x4
Two others that come to mind who can't sing but their music is good are Springsteen and Neil Young.

August 27, 2013 @ 9:31 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie- I agree with you on Neil Young, I've always preferred his songs coming outta someone else (if you've not heard the Dave Matthews cover of "Cortez the Killer" you really should)

But Springsteen?? Really...they guy has a great voice for the music he does. Raw and gritty.

No I wouldn't want to hear R&B or smooth jazz sung by him, but for good ol' rock and roll, whats wrong with Springsteen's voice?

August 27, 2013 @ 9:46 AM

markosaar

People that can't sing that I still like listening to... Ian Curtis, and to a lesser extent, Bernard Sumner. Drives my girlfriend crazy if I'm ever playing Joy Division or New Order.

August 27, 2013 @ 9:48 AM

Argie

@ Phil
Sorry man but the dude can't sing. I've had this debate with a tonne of Boss fans. Yeah, the music is good and he can write but his singing is brutal.

I was always a bigger Mellencamp fan. At least he could sing!

August 27, 2013 @ 10:02 AM

Rosie

Love Ian Curtis's voice, and Bob Dylan, but Tom Waits... noooooo
I think Bruce Springsteen has the perfect voice for his songs, all gravelly and rough

August 27, 2013 @ 10:02 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie- See...the ladies dig the gravely voice :)

Nah..I hear you.. You either like that sound or you don't. You and Cheryl can go see Mellencamp together lol

August 27, 2013 @ 10:22 AM

Sam in Pickering

Yes, Mark Twain would have hated Facebook.

But Mark Twain was a snob of sorts who wouldn't want the average person to have a voice because that was to be reserved for him and others of his ilk.

He was a great quote, tho!

August 27, 2013 @ 10:27 AM

Bo

Who else thinks the July Talk guy sounds like Tom Waits?

August 27, 2013 @ 10:27 AM

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I love Tom Waits.

And I love Neil Young.

So much character in those voices... I'll take their voices over a pristine opera singer every day of the week.

August 27, 2013 @ 10:33 AM

Mississauga Phil

Love the Twain quote, but I've always preferred Matt Good's take on it:

"Only you can give to others the impression that you are an idiot"

They're saying the same thing essentially, I just like the can-con twist on it.

August 27, 2013 @ 10:34 AM

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EVERYONE:

I'd really appreciate it if you'd pledge my Terry Fox Run. I'm quite short of my target and there's little time left!

http://my.e2rm.com/personalPage.aspx?registrationID=2050864

August 27, 2013 @ 10:36 AM

Argie

@ Phil
If I go on a date with Cheryl, you'll hear all about it here.

August 27, 2013 @ 10:37 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - One of the first posts up after i found this blog (I was looking for info on Jason Barr, but I digress)....One of the first posts I saw was the "Who wants to date Bev" post.

I think you should sponsor a date for Argie and Cheryl to the next Mellencamp concert in town, and then have both of them write posts on it....should be an interesting read :)

August 27, 2013 @ 10:46 AM

Mississauga Phil

For that matter...is it too late to enter the Bev contest lol...

August 27, 2013 @ 10:47 AM

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Bev is still single... I know I sent her on a couple of dates, but nothing stuck.

I've since decided to leave the matchmaker game.

Argie and Cheryl are on their own!

August 27, 2013 @ 10:48 AM

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Fun Fact: I married Bev's cousin.

August 27, 2013 @ 10:49 AM

Banger

I'll date Bev!

I found the old entry. She's cute!

http://www.torontomike.com/2011/06/who_wants_to_date_bev.html

August 27, 2013 @ 10:51 AM

Speysidephil

COME ON GUYS, LETS HELP MIKE OUT WITH THE TERRY FOX RUN.
EVERY LITTLE BIT WILL HELP.
THIS IS A GREAT CAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, SO LETS DO IT.

August 27, 2013 @ 10:52 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - c'mon let's give those two crazy kids a chance to build on their love of Mellencamp...

It writes itself

"Argie and Cheryl as Jack and Diane: Brought to you by Torontomike.com"

...k maybe not :)

August 27, 2013 @ 10:56 AM

Argie

Oh geez, what have I done???

August 27, 2013 @ 10:59 AM

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I'm not touching the Argie and Cheryl thing, but if anyone wants to date Bev, let me know. Here's an updated pic of her... taken at my wedding. She's the one on the far left.

August 27, 2013 @ 11:01 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - In all fairness, you did nothing but state that you like Mellencamp. I knida did the rest...sorry!

But hey...I'm on your side here. Mike gets all kinds of free goodies for his hard work on this blog...just trying to get him to hook you up with some tix.

August 27, 2013 @ 11:03 AM

Jack

Oh yeah life goes on, long after the thrill of livin' is gone...

August 27, 2013 @ 11:19 AM

Banger

@Toronto Mike

Those are five beautiful women. Wow.

August 27, 2013 @ 11:27 AM

Jon

Good response to the Miley Cyrus controversy:

August 27, 2013 @ 11:44 AM

Bell

@Boomer

Enjoy Kim Mitchell! He puts on a great show...

August 27, 2013 @ 11:49 AM

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One more thing...

If anyone wants to suggest something I should do when in Edmonton this weekend, I'd appreciate it.

August 27, 2013 @ 11:50 AM

Argie

@ Mike
Just pray there's cable! There aint much to do there.

The people are friendly though.

August 27, 2013 @ 11:52 AM

McNulty

Mike

I'm in Edmonton right now. There isn't much to do. Maybe I just can't find it but I can't seem to find it.

And being a match maker is tough business. I was recently set up and it was awkward. However, how the hell else does a 39 year old dude with two kids meet a woman? (That's right, Argie. Still not gay!)

August 27, 2013 @ 12:01 PM

McNulty

Oh. Argie is right. They are nice people.

August 27, 2013 @ 12:01 PM

CQ

Throughout the summer, I've been noticing typing mistakes placed onto various TV screen scrolls. This one for a Lac-Megantic benefit concert wins:
http://blog.fagstein.com/2013/08/27/lac-megantic-wrong-number/
It stated the donation number as a 1-800 number, instead of 1-866.

August 27, 2013 @ 12:07 PM

4x4 Time

My wife and I saw The Butler Sunday night (weird they call it Lee Daniel’s The Butler, I guess this guy is full of himself)

I realize people are slagging this film for the “liberties” Hollywood took in telling the story of Eugene Allen, but I really enjoyed the film, the history lessons of civil rights the US went through and the superb performances of a pretty wide range of interesting actor choices.

Any movie with “Linc Hayes” from the Mod Squad in it is cool by me.

August 27, 2013 @ 12:13 PM

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@ McNulty

I had no idea you were single now... I hope you're doing okay.

I know a 39 (well, he was actually 38 at the time) year old divorced guy with two kids who just got married again. And he's a really cool guy... you'd dig him.

August 27, 2013 @ 1:11 PM

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Re: Edmonton

I'm not there very long... we're flying into Calgary, renting a car and checking out Banff.... then there's a wedding in Edmonton on Saturday morning followed by a long break and then a reception. We'll fly back on Sunday.

So I'm looking to fill that long break... and maybe do something on Sunday morning.

August 27, 2013 @ 1:12 PM

Blind Dave

Hey gang, support Mike's Terry Fox Run. Its a couple of easy mouse clicks.

August 27, 2013 @ 1:27 PM

McNulty

You're in tough for finding something in Edmonton for that time frame. I'm in Calgary on Thursday. It's far better. Big fan of Banff though.

Yeah, it happened last year. I'm better for it, as I'm sure you know.

Clueless how to meet people. But oh well.

Have fun in Banff.

August 27, 2013 @ 1:34 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ McNulty- Straight up brother. I'm 7 months into my split and it was definitely for the best (for myself and my son). Yeah it gets lonely sometimes, but better lonely than in a relationship that is making you miserable.....

...Mike should give all us single dad's hope...

August 27, 2013 @ 1:37 PM

Argie

@ McNulty
There are lots of great single women out there with kids of their own. Only problem, some of those kids might be a pain in the ass.

August 27, 2013 @ 1:59 PM

McNulty

If it wouldn't cause me more grief, I'd blog about the difficulties of being a single Dad, late thirties and finding himself again.

I'm not bitter. Just dealing with reality.

@ Argie. You're absolutely right. Dealing with someone else's kids could be a real issue. It's a stumbling block for sure. I also don't want a woman in her twenties.

Life is still better. I just have less money.

August 27, 2013 @ 2:26 PM

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@McNulty

Money's overrated. You'll make more.

August 27, 2013 @ 2:38 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - But, some of those kids might end up being the greatest thing that ever happened to you. A buddy of mine married a single mom, he said he fell in love with her daughter from the moment he met her...

August 27, 2013 @ 2:55 PM

Argie

@ Phil
Was the daughter at least 18?

Just kidding. I'm not trying to encourage or discourage McN in any way.

August 27, 2013 @ 3:14 PM

ycawgwyw

“We continue to believe that there’s no military solution here that’s good for the Syrian people, and that the best path forward is a political solution,” State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said. “This is about the violation of an international norm against the use of chemical weapons and how we should respond to that.”.

What is going on in Syria is a terrible thing. That being said, lobbing missiles at the country and killing more innocent civilians in the process doesn't make much sense to me. IF we could manage to target some military targets without collateral damage, I might be swayed. We aren't exactly great at that....

August 27, 2013 @ 3:15 PM

Argie

@ ycagwyw

I agree 100%. Another problem is that the rebels are as bad as the govt.

August 27, 2013 @ 3:23 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - nuk nuk nuk...she was 4 at the time smart ass :)

@ycagwyw - You're right of course. And lobbing missiles into populated areas isn't going to win us any friends with the civilians....anyone remember Iraq??

August 27, 2013 @ 3:32 PM

Jamie

Mike have fun in Banff, I worked/lived in Red Deer for 8 months and went to Banff almost every weekend, since you'll be in Edmonton I highly recommend heading to Jasper, it's like banff only supersized and less douchy, I saw more bears (Black and Grizzly)in Jasper than in Banff on the roads and it's more beautiful in my opionion. Either way have fun!

August 27, 2013 @ 3:44 PM

Matt

@Mike: How long is "fall ball" in slo pitch?

Is there age limits? What night(s) do they play?

August 27, 2013 @ 3:53 PM

Marie

@Toronto Mike

Just tried to access the link to pledge your Terry Fox run but it tells me the link is broken. Message: "We're sorry to report that this page is currently not functioning and we apologize for any inconvenience." Its not the usual message I get when I'm trying to access a webpage I'm not allowed to go to.

August 27, 2013 @ 3:57 PM

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@Marie

The link is correct, but the Terry Fox pledge site is down. :(

I'm hoping everyone will try again later and make your pledge then. I'd really appreciate it!

August 27, 2013 @ 4:01 PM

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@Matt

What league are you looking at?

Ages are usually 18+ and the nights depend on the league.

August 27, 2013 @ 4:02 PM

4x4 Time

The Russian government actions regarding the problems in Syria is interesting. The Russian Foreign Minister is on record as saying that there is no proof yet that the Syrian government was involved in last week's reported chemical attack and has accused the US of another “artificial groundless excuses for military intervention", this time in Syria. He also referenced the Weapons of Mass Destruction claim in Iraq.

The Olympics in Russia should be interesting.

August 27, 2013 @ 4:17 PM

Matt

@Mike Just curious. I miss baseball (used to play and umpire until work got in the way) Any leagues around Brampton would be best.

August 27, 2013 @ 4:25 PM

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@Matt

What a coinkydink. I play in Brampton. In the Extreme Slopitch league: http://www.extremeslopitch.com/

They definitely have Fall Ball because I keep getting emails about it. I only play during the summer.

August 27, 2013 @ 4:33 PM

Cheryl

So there are other people who like John Mellencamp. Well, you have taste. He's great. Also you should mention Bob Seger. Bob Seger is a great singer. He can sing. Bruce Springsteen can't sing. He sounds like he has a pain in his belly. My dad said that many years ago when I was listening to the radio and Bruce Springsteen came on. As for Neil Young, he's not bad. I can take him or leave him. I don't like Bob Dylan's voice. As for a date, I am single, but I want to stay that way. I really don't want anyone right now. I never had kids and don't want any.

August 27, 2013 @ 4:50 PM

Ryan G

I dated a woman with a kid once. He wasn't exactly fond of me but I took the high road. Trying to bond with him I was out playing in the park one day and lifted him up, facing away from me.. which is when he proceeded to fart directly in my face.

Coincidence? I think not.

August 27, 2013 @ 5:07 PM

Glen

Has anyone been in Sears lately?


I was there on Saturday to buy a pair of jeans. It had that Eatons death rattle about it. Sales are down and they haven't made a profit in years. I just have this feeling it won't survive much past Christmas.


By the way the best time to buy clothes (or at least jeans) is during the after school sales. Stores have restocked most items. Although if your looking to purchase summer clothes (during summer) in your size you are out of luck.

August 27, 2013 @ 5:48 PM

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@Cheryl

Thank you so much for your generous contribution to my Terry Fox Run!

August 27, 2013 @ 7:45 PM

Rick C in Oakville

If you had enough time, the drive from Banff to Jasper to Edmonton is jaw dropping, but takes about 7-8 hours all in plus driving from Calgary. I think I posted some pics on your blog around Fathers day when I made the trip.

If you are driving back to Calgary on the Sunday, go to the Royal Tyrrell museum in Drumheller, too bad your kids weren't going they would love it.
I haven't got any suggestions for Edmonton, other than the West Edmonton Mall (YAWN) try to spend as little time there as possible.

Glen: Sears is definitely Dead Man Walking.

August 27, 2013 @ 8:12 PM

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And Thank you Rick C in Oakville for the generous donation.

You guys rock!

August 27, 2013 @ 8:13 PM

J9

I was going to say that the best thing about Edmonton is that it is close to Jasper. :-)

On that note, if you have time to drive the Banff - Jasper highway - do it! It is awesome, and well worth the time. I have not spent much time in Banff, but what I saw was really touristy and busy. Maybe you like that, but for my money, Jasper is the place to see.

@ Cheryl - I love the visual about Springsteen's singing style. To be fair, his facial expressions when he is singing make him look like he has a pain in his gut too. However, I am a HUGE fan. He puts on the best, most rock-til-you-drop concerts that I have ever seen.

August 27, 2013 @ 9:03 PM

McNulty

Divorce is so weird. I think some people think it catches. The worst part is how the man is always assumed to be the bad guy. It's either he must have cheated or if she did, there has to be a reason. It's no win.

Bah. I'm just complaining.

Where do 39 year olds meet women?

August 28, 2013 @ 12:53 AM

elvis

McNulty - Singapore and Thailand. You'll have no trouble here.

August 28, 2013 @ 4:58 AM

Corey

Today, while driving to the GO Station, I was sitting behind another vehicle at a traffic light. The driver flicked his cigarette butt out his window onto the traffic median, which prompted my usual reaction of gently beeping my horn and making the "pig face" at them (index finger pushing my nose up). This garnered the usual one finger salute from the flicker.
Nothing more interesting to note, except it got me thinking, how come I have never met a smoker, either in person, or online that will admit to throwing their filthy butts on the ground, yet I see it all the time?

August 28, 2013 @ 8:07 AM

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A MASSIVE thanks to Corey and Elvis who have both pledged my run. That's just awesome...

Prior to the run, I'll post a tribute to the Terry Fox Run sponsors from this site...

August 28, 2013 @ 8:10 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - I'm a smoker, and I can honestly say that most of the time, I find somewhere besides the ground to flick my smoke. I won't go as far as to say I NEVER flick it, but I try not to.

Exceptions - If the place I'm at (restaurant, mall what have you) doesn't have a "butt stop" or something of that ilk.
- In my car and didn't have the foresight to have a half finished pop can/water bottle in there

I even go so far as to butt out my smoke and pocket it until i find a garbage when I'm at the park with my son....nothing bugs me more than seeing cigarette butts where children play...

August 28, 2013 @ 8:27 AM

Corey

@Phil -
Thanks at least for being honest. I still don't get it. There's no reason to litter - I put this in the same category as spitting phlegm, saliva or gum on the sidewalk, none of which i would ever even consider doing. To me, the example of a restaurant that doesn't have an outdoor ashtray amounts to the following thought process: "Hmmm. This establishment isn't facilitating my awful habit by providing me with an ashtray. I guess I have no choice but to flick this germy, non-degradable butt on the ground." Why don't smokers carry these?

August 28, 2013 @ 8:58 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - I did not know such a product existed.

As far as your restaurant comment goes, smoking is still legal. Establishments put out garbage cans so that people don't litter. From my point of view, if you are running a licensed establishment, then you know drinking and smoking go hand in hand. As such, i do feel it is on the establishment to provide somewhere to butt out.

Please tell me what other option I would have at a restaurant that does not provide an outdoor ashtray. (please don't say "well you could not light up" that is being naive...obviously smokers are going to smoke so let's be realistic)

August 28, 2013 @ 9:32 AM

Argie

@ Phil
I'm not slamming smokers, but why do they feel smoking is like a natural bodily function - like going to the washroom?

Also, why do we allow inmates to smoke?

August 28, 2013 @ 9:57 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - its not that I think it's a natural body function, but it is legal (and in fact encouraged by our Gov't due to the immense amount of money they make off us smokers in taxes). So as such, establishments should make allowances for that demographic, or suffer a doorway full of butts...

As far as prisoners go...if they weren't allowed to smoke, what would they trade "bitches" for. (and by 'bitches' i clearly don't mean women).

Seriously though...i have no problem with people being allowed to smoke in prisons..their life's pretty much down the shitter anyways (self inflicted, I know), but let them have it.

August 28, 2013 @ 10:22 AM

markosaar

So this link has been smugly going around on Facebook amongst my irrationally-hate-Harper-and-everything-he-stands-for friends:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/25/confirmed-canada-2011-polls-fraudulent/

Never mind that it's from May ... take a close look at the source. Yikes. Check out the Wikipedia article for Veterans Today if nothing leaps out at you

August 28, 2013 @ 11:03 AM

Cheryl

Well, I don't smoke. I hate the smell of the stuff and I never smoked and never will. Anyway, to each his own. I don't like Bruce Springsteen. Bob Seger is a lot better. He can sing a lot better.

August 28, 2013 @ 11:12 AM

Corey

@Phil - I already did offer you an option. I'm sure there are cheaper varieties of the same product at any tobacco store.

Using your logic, if I'm outside of a restaurant or store, and there isn't a garbage can handy, it's acceptable for me to spit my gum on the sidewalk, or drop my food wrapper or pop can on the ground. Of course it's not acceptable, but for some reason, smokers are able to rationalize and make exceptions for their littering.

August 28, 2013 @ 11:14 AM

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Thanks Jenny for the pledge!!!

August 28, 2013 @ 11:21 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - And I told you I was unaware of the existence of said product. This is going in circles now however. I agree with your point about smokers being inconsiderate, and have stated that I try my best not to fit that stereotype.

August 28, 2013 @ 12:12 PM

4x4 Time

I am a life long non smoker, and so are most of my friends. I have never really been bothered by smokers. Sure I see a lot of butts laying around, but almost see a fair share of Timmies cups and empty plastic water bottles.

August 28, 2013 @ 12:23 PM


Corey

@Phil - it' only going in circles because you seem to exist in a peculiar time warp I can't understand. The sequence of events was as follows:
1) I provided a handy solution for smokers to stop throwing their butts on the ground.
2) You acknowledged you weren't aware of the product. I assumed that after clicking the link, you became aware of the product
3) You then asked me to please provide you with an option to solve the problem.
That's not typically how these exchanges work.

@4x4 - so if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, eh?

August 28, 2013 @ 12:34 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - ....y'know what, I could get into an argument here, but that would just give you the satisfaction...go fight with Irv or something cause I just don't give a shit.

August 28, 2013 @ 12:40 PM

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And a big thanks to Lorne for the generation donation. Keep it up, guys!

Oh.. and thanks, Mom!

August 28, 2013 @ 12:48 PM

Argie

@ Phil
A muslim cleric preaching that??? I can't believe it!

August 28, 2013 @ 12:51 PM

Speysidephil

@ Phil

A "Muslim" preaching this crap. What a bunch on hyporites.

August 28, 2013 @ 12:56 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie and Speyside - There are definitely some backwards assed people out there...

August 28, 2013 @ 1:00 PM

Ben Vidal

RE: smoking. What I loved was working a restaurant. Smokers always were heading for a break as if they were more stressed out than the people not smoking. Then if I a non-smoker wanted 5 minutes to relax have a water and just decompress that was completely unacceptable.

In the end people who didn't smoke actually worked more and harder as a result, but no one ever questioned smokers

In regards to cigarette butts, I find it to be the laziest move to just flick a butt anywhere. Having two dogs, this is a dangerous move especially at parks. I can only imagine when I have a kids.

When you give someone shit for flicking their butt you get the look that says "what else was I supposed to do?". How about put it out on the ground and put them in your pocket. Or how about eat the filter. I mean you are tossing tonnes of poison in your system smoking it. Just eat the filter, it can't be that much worse for your body.

August 28, 2013 @ 1:13 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - Agreed. I used to manage a restaurant, and I made sure my non smoking staff got their 5 min or so of "fresh air" or whatever they wanted when smoke break time came around.

August 28, 2013 @ 1:26 PM

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And thanks Marie C. for your generation contribution!

August 28, 2013 @ 1:27 PM

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And Matt W!

I owe you all a huge thanks. Matt, that pledge was awesome.

August 28, 2013 @ 1:59 PM

Lorne

Hey, lookie at Mike's pledge page now:


August 28, 2013 @ 2:08 PM

4x4 Time

@Corey - No, not at all. I am not in favor of smokers littering, but we as a society are a mass of litters in general. We should all think about properly disposing of all trash, coffee/drink cups, food wrappers and bags, gum, apple cores....etc....

August 28, 2013 @ 2:17 PM

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This is the feel good story of the year... I'm going to write more about it tomorrow.

August 28, 2013 @ 2:20 PM

markosaar

Phil, Argie, Speysidephil:

A Christian idiot could never spout such hatred.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/27/pat-robertson-aids-rings_n_3824401.html

August 28, 2013 @ 2:31 PM

Argie

"In 2010, the Pew Research Centre in Washington published the results of an extensive poll of Middle East countries and tapped into their views of modern life.

According to the Pew results, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan say they would favour making each of the following the law in their countries: stoning people who commit adultery, whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery and the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion."

Just to go back to the article. It isn't so awful that its one crazy cleric - but rather a majority of muslims in these countries feel the same way. But isn't it called the "religion of peace"?

Sincerely,
The Messenger (don't shoot me)

August 28, 2013 @ 2:36 PM

Argie

Yes mark, Robertson said the exact same thing as the cleric and 75% of Christians want stoning brought back. That would be a "no" on both. Good try though.

August 28, 2013 @ 2:55 PM

Nat Post

I smoked pot, lots of it - Rob Ford

August 28, 2013 @ 3:00 PM

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@Nat Post

There's a shocker.

August 28, 2013 @ 3:02 PM

Corey

@Phil - that was cool of you. It must have been a logistical nightmare though - you mean all staff took a 5 min. break at the same time whether they smoked or not? Or everyone got one 5 minute break per hour, or what?

August 28, 2013 @ 3:13 PM

Lorne

I boiled pots. Lots of them.

August 28, 2013 @ 3:17 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - Typically in a restaurant, there is no "leaving the floor" between 6-9 (prime rush hours). Come 9pm every smoker in the restaurant would come up and once with "can I have a smoke"

My typical rule of thumb was 1 dining room, 1 bar and 1 kitchen staff member at a time. It's not like i was sitting there with a stopwatch or anything, and the servers needed to make sure one of their colleagues was keeping an eye on their tables. However, I never cared for the attitude that Ben was describing that smokers were entitled to something due to their addiction.

I had a non-smoker cook who was Muslim and used his time to go say evening prayers at sundown. However, this guy was realistic about it, and if we were too busy for me to let him go right at sundown, he usually responded with "Allah will understand" (a voice of moderate Islam for all you haters...)

August 28, 2013 @ 3:25 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mark - I am fully aware that Christian fundamentalists can be just as nuts as those of other faiths...I have stated that many times on this blog.

I am quite fond of saying that taking Bin Laden or one of his cronies as a realistic representation of all of Islam is like taking the grand Dragon of the KKK as a realistic representation of the Christian West...

I like Argie and Speyside, but please don't lump me in with them when it comes to views on Islam....

August 28, 2013 @ 3:28 PM

Argie

@ Phil
You missed my main point. Never mind the cleric - how about the 75% of muslims in those M/E countries who want Sharia Law? Are the majority of Christians that crazy?

August 28, 2013 @ 3:35 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie- Nowadays...no. Look back in our history and yes absolutely (Salem witch trials, Spanish Inquisition, Crusades...hell the KKK.... anyone??)

Many members of Islam are not raised in the moderate "evolved" society that we enjoy. It isn't the religion that is the problem, it's the people in power delivering the message. I have family that have converted to Islam for marriage, and if you actually read the Quran, most of the hatred and "rules" that the Islamic leaders preach can't be found anywhere.....

Argie, I don't disagree with you that many (maybe even most) Muslims are harsh and brutal, but the fault is in the men in power, not in the faith. The average Muslim needs education and tolerance, not our hatred. It's the only way to fix this...

August 28, 2013 @ 3:41 PM

Mississauga Phil

Oh, and Argie. It isn't 75% of Muslims, I guarantee it's 75% of Muslim MEN. The first step in Bringing them into the 21st century way of thinking is to help their women realize that they have a voice too and should start using it!

August 28, 2013 @ 3:42 PM

Argie

No, Phil, the average muslim needs to think for him/her self. Its not up to us to change - its them. Sorry.

Have you ever heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali? She's the Somali/Dutch former politician who lives on the run for her life from muslim extremists. She's become an atheist (not surprisingly) and she recommends that muslim woman abandon islam but if they feel they have to belong to a religion, they should choose Christianity. Those extremists didn't like hearing that.

As for history, islam has been around since the 7th century. Its been a bloody 1300 years. When exactly are they going to be peaceful?

August 28, 2013 @ 3:51 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Your first statement reeks of xenophobia..guess what buddy..all 9 billion of us are in this together.

As for your second statement. Islam needs more women like her to lead the charge.

As for your third statement. We are fortunate that Christians expanded across the Globe...the farther from the seats of power we got, the more moderate we became...

August 28, 2013 @ 3:54 PM

Mississauga Phil

Oh, and since you're talking ancient history....the crusades...yeah the Muslims totally started that one didn't they?? It wasn't the Christian English trying to cast out the "infidel".

Nope...Muslims went to England and attacked...just like they asked the US to come into their countries during the cold war, kick out the Russians and then leave said countries to twist in the wind...

August 28, 2013 @ 3:58 PM

Argie

@ Phil
Read your history. The Crusades was a correct response to the violent expansion of islam throughout the Holy land.

August 28, 2013 @ 4:03 PM

Mississauga Phil

So, it's on modern Islam to fix their own problem, not us. But our ancestors were fully justified getting in the middle of a fight between Islam and Judaism?

Do you not see the contradictions in your own statements??

...you can't have it both ways man.

August 28, 2013 @ 4:16 PM

J9

It has been proven that this argument will never be won, as we have seen on just about every Open Mike.
Uncle.


August 28, 2013 @ 5:51 PM

James

Hello all! I was one of those dates that Bev had!Thanks Mike! It was just coffee at a Starbucks attached to an indigo.I'm almost old enough to be her dad and I lived quite far away in Pickering so it wasn't really going anywhere. I had a great time though Bev is even better looking in person and quite charming :)

As it turns out I ended up moving from Pickering to Etobicoke last year to move in with my Girlfriend . Who I was fixed up with by a mutual friend :)

On Monday night ,our last on vacation in P.E.I. I asked her to Marry me :)

August 28, 2013 @ 6:42 PM

Tron

So Ford went from "I never see him drink" to being viewed drunk at the Danforth and saying "I drink like everybody else" (because regular 40something father gets drunk at street festivals without his family)to "I coach football so the players don't get involved with drugs" to "I smoked pot - alot of it! hahaha" So the Fords fights against charges of high drug use & selling, but then turn around an jokes about smoking a lot of pot (you know the stuff Doug was said to sell well into his 20s) So what does his hardcore conservative anti-drugs tough-on-crime fishing buddies think of this.

@Mike, have fun at Edmonton but make sure you don't make any sarcastic comments about the city, or the Mayor of the city will freak out, just ask columnist Chris Selley

I am so surprised you haven't done the topic on Toronto life best neighborhoods’ article; I thought it would be right up your alley and interesting what your thoughts are

Best neighbourhoods

August 28, 2013 @ 8:43 PM


CQ

@Tron (Aug 28th) 20:43
Etobicoke - West Mall ranks 139th out of 140? Is somebody else's community feelings being spared?

August 28, 2013 @ 9:51 PM

Corey

So Justin Trudeau admitting he smokes pot has a nation swooning over how cool he is, but Ford doing the same has people shaking their heads in disgust. Interesting.

August 28, 2013 @ 10:19 PM

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@ Corey

Nice try. Nobody I know is the least bit surprised. There's no disgust, either.

August 28, 2013 @ 10:26 PM

Mississauga Phil

@Corey - I for one saw Trudeau's pot confession for the blatant attemp at capturing a disinterested 18-25 demographic for what it was.

If he can even get a hundred thousand stoner kids across Canada to say "he's gonna leaglize weed man" that could make all the difference

August 28, 2013 @ 11:21 PM

Mississauga Phil

Pot's gonna get legalized sooner or later regardless. Its too many potential tax dollars.

Rob Ford admitting to smoking pot is just stupid. Amidst all crack and booze scandals, its just a dumb thing to say. Thats not a political statement, its a fact. Even the most staunch supporter has to admit....that was fucking stupid

August 28, 2013 @ 11:25 PM

Corey

@Phil - so you think it would have been smarter for Ford, amidst all the crack and booze scandals, to deny smoking pot?

"Sure, you've seen me drunk, there's a video of me smoking crack, and when I was arrested in Florida, one of the charges included possession of marijuana, but have I ever smoked pot? No, never!."

August 29, 2013 @ 6:56 AM

Corey

@ Toronto Mike -

What do you mean, "Nice try"? So now we're pretending we aren't disgusted that the Mayor of Toronto is a substance abuser? I thought that was one of the major points of outrage on this blog. He's frequently seen drunk, he's been caught on camera smoking crack, and now, in his own words, he's smoked "a lot" of pot.

August 29, 2013 @ 7:29 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I'm disgusted that our mayor lies through his teeth, isn't accountable for anything and speaks mistruths constantly that Ford Nation buys as facts.

He's a disaster... but I don't know anyone who's disgusted that he smokes weed. We're disgusted by dozens of other things first.

August 29, 2013 @ 8:08 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - No...now would have been a good time for him to have "no comment". The time to admit abuse was during the crack scandal. After which he checks himself into rehab for his obvious alcohol issues and suspected crack issues. I don't care personally, I'd love to see this guy bury himself. I simply said the guy was a dumbass for saying it.

But, as a Ford supporter, you've clearly got blinders on, no matter what he does or says it was the right thing to do.

August 29, 2013 @ 8:14 AM

Argie

@ Phil
He had no other choice than to admit to it. I don't see how that's "fucking stupid" to quote you.

Conservatives have never believed Ford is a saint. He's full of personal flaws. We like him as mayor because he's fiscally conservative - there's a big difference between being fiscally and socially conservative.

In the end, this admission will likely garner more votes for him from the moderates.

August 29, 2013 @ 8:19 AM

Corey

@Phil - you have a habit of confusing me with other posters (remember that hilarious mix up when you accused me of accusing Irvine of being 40oz Krew, when actually it was you?). Go back and read my previous posts on Ford and you'll realize I'm not actually a supporter.

August 29, 2013 @ 8:38 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - I love you Ford Nation people. As long as he "appears to be" financially responsible, he can do whatever he wants. (I say appears to be because no one can show me if the claims he makes of how much money he saved TO is true, and I'm not going to just take his word for it).

The man wouldn't know the truth if it was packed into a pipe for him. But as long as he makes noise about saving money and fighting the leftey "pinko's", then Ford Nation will keep defending all the ridiculous, embarrassing, completely asinine things this man says and does.

How can you, as an intelligent man (and I know you are Argie) possibly continue to defend this idiot?? I just don't get it man.

And while I have your attention, you didn't really answer me on why it's modern Islam's responsibility to fix their own problems, but it was okay of Christians in older times to get in the middle of a fight between Islam and the Jewish...If you're going to make ignorant, inflammatory statements, at least back them up...

August 29, 2013 @ 8:42 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - I don't know man...seems to me you come down on Fordsy's side every time.....


Mr. Moderator - wouldn't you agree?

August 29, 2013 @ 8:43 AM

Argie

" you didn't really answer me on why it's modern Islam's responsibility to fix their own problems, but it was okay of Christians in older times to get in the middle of a fight between Islam and the Jewish"

I didn't answer because it was a stupid analogy. It is Islam's responsibility to fix their own issues just as when Christianity had their issues, they fixed it. I don't see what an issue between the other two religions has to do with that. Also, the Crusades was not just a islam/jewish fight. Christians lived in that area for hundred of years, long before Mohammed and armies arrived.

Besides, I figured it was best to let our debate die - a natural death. However, you really enjoy going on and on with an argument even when there's no chance of either side giving in.

August 29, 2013 @ 8:54 AM

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@Mississauga Phil

I'd say @Corey is a contrarian, like my buddy Freddie P. He likes a good debate, and can switch sides on a dime to get one sparked!

August 29, 2013 @ 8:58 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - Fair enough. However, I don't ever recall a time where Freddie P sided against Ford. Corey may have, I'll take your word for it...

August 29, 2013 @ 9:08 AM

Argie

More and more evidence is coming out about extensive pot usage. Even the great prophet, David Suzuki (peace be upon him) has spoken out on this issue.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/08/28/bc-marijuana-teens-mental-health.html

August 29, 2013 @ 10:46 AM

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@Argie

I believe we should de-criminalize pot usage asap, if not completely legalize it, but I don't partake and I hope my kids don't partake.

My problem with smoking weed is that it makes boredom okay... it essentially makes you content with nothing to do. That's precisely the time when teens get creative... tackle new projects, learn new things, try new things, stir shit up! Boredom is key to this process, and smoking weed makes boredom A-OK.

It's also horrible for your lungs.

August 29, 2013 @ 10:49 AM

Argie

@ Mike
I agree 100%. Pot is in a sense legal - in that no one will go to jail or even be convicted for pot use.

August 29, 2013 @ 10:54 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie/Mike - Pot use in teenagers is a bad idea for all the reasons stated above, and more...but so is Alcohol use by teenagers.

Anything that alters your perceptions is going to have a negative effect on a developing mind.

It should be sold out of the LCBO or some such entity.

August 29, 2013 @ 11:40 AM

markosaar

To remove the Star paywall:

(Instructions for Chrome, but similar for Firefox)

1. install AdBlock Plus (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-plus/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb?hl=en-US)
2. open AdBlock Plus settings (Customize Chrome button -- looks like three horizontal lines on the top right --> Tools menu --> Extensions --> click Options under AdBlock Plus)
3. click the "Add your own filters" tab
4. click "Edit filters as raw text" at the bottom
5. paste the following into the new box:

thestar.com###syncronexOverlay
thestar.com###syncronexOverlayContent
thestar.com##.syncronex-overlay-content

6. click "Apply changes"

I'm sure they'll eventually modify their system to block this eventually, but works for now.

August 29, 2013 @ 12:30 PM

markosaar

Eventually eventually. I edit too much and not enough before I hit "post".

August 29, 2013 @ 12:31 PM

Corey

@markosaar -

I've found simply emptying the cache to work. A lot less trouble too.

August 29, 2013 @ 12:56 PM

Corey

@ Phil
You misinterpret my opposition to Fords opponents as support for Ford.

Regardless of who the Mayor is, I'm against the following:
1) trying to remove an elected official on the grounds of a minor infraction that the average citizen (and apparently city councillors) didn't note or care about. I don't like recall votes like the one that removed Grey Davis as governor of California either.
2) trying to shame and coerce someone into attending a frivolous event put on by a special interest group
3) printing stories admonishing the behaviour of someone based on quotes by unnamed sources, when people who were willing to sign their names were saying the opposite.

None of those things mean I'm a blind Ford supporter.

August 29, 2013 @ 1:11 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Corey - Fair enough. I will keep those points in mind in the future.

August 29, 2013 @ 1:15 PM

markosaar

Corey: I used to visit it in "porn mode" but that stopped working for a few days. It seems to be working again though. I figure they're experimenting with a bunch of settings.

August 29, 2013 @ 1:30 PM

ycagwyw

The NFL has reached a settlement with its former players in its high profile concussion case. I feel this will impact the game like none of us could imagine.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/23380915/nfl-former-players-reach-settlement-in-concussion-lawsuit

August 29, 2013 @ 2:08 PM

4x4 Time

@ycagwyw - Agree, the precedent has been set. The NFL players case was that the NFL knowingly hid or suppressed massive amounts of information regarding concussions in an attempt to downplay the effects they had on players.
How long before Eric Lindros calls Gary Bettman if he has not already.

August 29, 2013 @ 2:40 PM



Cheryl

I don't like Ford and I never will. I didn't vote for him and I won't vote for him in 2014. The guy isn't healthy. My trainer said so.

Anyway, Bob Seger and John Mellencamp will live forever. They won't die any time soon. They will live for a long time yet.

August 29, 2013 @ 6:27 PM

Tron

@Corey, want to give you the benefit of the doubt but you sure do have a lot of Ford's talking points. 1) Ford is a mandatory sentence conservative, no gray area in rulings. But when it concerns Fordie than it's "Not that bad" even though the mandatory sentence he supports in general is what got him. 2) Riding an LRT instead of a subway makes you a "second class citizen" but being gay is a "special interest group". 3)So you are against the unnamed source who said Ford is a public drunk (which video proved soon after) but you are okay with the named Ford lackey who lied to your face saying he "Never drinks"

The third part is what i don't get, why is Ford nation okay being lied to? Why are they okay being made fools of? I remember when Ford was at a hockey game and the Sun (lead butt kisser Warmington accidently put a picture of Ford with beer in a cup) than tried to convince everybody he was drinking ginger ale in a arena beer cup, to continue to push the "I don't drink beer" line. Why bother pushing that lie, what was the point of it? All it does is treat your supporters like idiots. I read on twitter somebody compared Ford to Bieber, Beiber can literally spit on his audience and they would still worship him. Same with Ford.

@SaugaPhil, the timing's a bit strange, remember Ford went from "I don't drink beer" to "Of course I enjoy beers" after the public drunken video came out. Is something about to come out that he can say his "drug of choice" is pot instead of something harsher. Is he really setting up saying that pot was in the pipe (which would be absurd) There also some rumbling tonight that there's documents of Fords voice trying to "buy". Is he ready to spin that he's buying pot instead of something stronger? The whole thing is so strange, make things even odder that he's still palling around with high ranking Conservatives.

On the bright side, I'm in the top 25 neighborhoods. Not to sound rude though but how is Melvern in the top two spots in shopping? What exactly do they mean by shopping?

August 29, 2013 @ 8:24 PM

Corey

@Tron -
I shouldn't really bother trying to defend my opinion, especially when you seem to be deliberately twisting them, but I'll say this.
1) Re-read my last comment. I thought it was pretty clear, but maybe not.
2) I didn't imply being gay was a special interest group. The Pride Week organizers definitely are. Do you think every gay person wants to be associated with the Parade?
3) The story I was referring to with the unnamed sources was the one in which Ford was (according to unnamed sources) asked to leave an event because he was so drunk, while members of the organizing committee personally signed a document saying he was not.

I have no problem stating Rob Ford is a liar. I have no problem stating that i believe he was smoking crack, and that he has outrageous lapses of judgement. I'm on record here several times expressing hope that Gawker would get the video so that Ford would be forced to resign. If I lived in Toronto, I wouldn't vote for him. None of this contradicts anything I wrote in my previous comment, nor does anything in that comment make me a member of Ford nation.

August 29, 2013 @ 9:16 PM

Anonymous

@ Tron
You are an extremist. Yes, there are extremists on the other side of the Ford issue but the only time you come here is to go after Ford in a big, nasty way.

Regardless of any redeeming qualities he may have as a mayor, you and your brethren will do and say whatever it takes to attack him. He can do no right.

I'm on record here as saying Ford has personal issues - certainly more than the average guy. But then again, doesn't everyone have some kind of personal issue???

Obviously you don't like him. I really don't care why you don't. my advice to you would be to not vote for him in 2014. I do however think he should resign if he's ever charged with something illegal. Until then, let the fat man reign!

August 29, 2013 @ 9:50 PM

Argie

Anonymous was me, dammit!

August 29, 2013 @ 9:51 PM

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