Last Week of August Open Mike

Open MikeTime flies, doesn't it? August is in the home stretch...

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Finally.... first!

August 23, 2013 @ 8:11 AM


I tired of people thinking something is wrong with me for wanting to do things alone. I go to a lot of events/concerts/comedy shows/movies by myself. It is just nice to have time alone and reflect in ones own thoughts. When I go out with people at time it feels like a chore and drains the heck out of me.

It is starting to become annoying that people I know force themselves to tag along with me (by tickets to the same event) if I am going or pry to what I do on my free time. Am I crazy for just enjoying some solitude when the majority of my day I am surrounded by people I know?

August 23, 2013 @ 8:12 AM

Ben vidal

@ Rob: Don't for a second apologize for going by yourself. I love going to movies alone. I'll often decide to go at a point in time when the GF can't. It's easier you sit where you want and concentrate solely on the movie at hand.

I've been to a bunch of concerts by myself. I only prefer to go by myself to a concert if there isn't a friend that is as big a fan of the band(s) playing.

I used to work as a consultant travelling around Canada and the US. Many projects I worked on by myself. I got used to eating by myself and doing things with the company of others.

August 23, 2013 @ 8:25 AM


Sadder Toronto Park?
Rowntree Mills, in North Etobicoke (above the 401 highway) with its closed to vehicle road entrance.
Toronto Star link, with photo:
High Park. With it's overgrown pond 'maze', and a closed north-east section nature /excerise stations' and steel sculptures trail (for a now fenced and gated dog run before reaching towards either the the small Outdoor Theatre round, or consignment plot gardens).
.25 blog link
The second photo from the top is my favourite.

Note: I used to jog regularly, mostly upon a varied circuit route through High Park's nature trail sections and also across the south side of previously open to view Grenadier Pond (and when that trail portion was of tiny gravel).

August 23, 2013 @ 8:30 AM


@Rob..... Nothing wrong with that at all. I even like to golf alone. Every other Saturday I'll grab my clubs and hit up Oakville Executive for 9 holes. I find it peaceful and relaxing not having to talk for a couple hours.

August 23, 2013 @ 8:31 AM


Holycrap! What a bunch of loners!!!

Actually I'm pretty much the same. I've never gone to a concert or event by myself but I would much rather go for a walk or workout by myself. Whenever I meet up with a friend for lunch, one of us usually late and that can put pressure on us to get back to the office, etc. It can be a chore like Rob said. Its so much easier to grab some food and bring it back to my desk.

August 23, 2013 @ 8:45 AM


We have a leader of a major political party admit that he is an active drug user attempting to become Prime Minister. It shows you the quality of people that are being attracted to the federal liberal party of Canada.

August 23, 2013 @ 8:45 AM

Mississauga Phil

Hey guys...should I start the "pot is not a drug" debate with the newcommer??

August 23, 2013 @ 8:47 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Phil: I think ycagwyw is actually Dave williams.

August 23, 2013 @ 8:49 AM

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Hmmm.... that last comment does sound like Dave Williams.

Goodbye, ycagwyw...

August 23, 2013 @ 8:56 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - Mike and I were discussing that last night....he seems too intelligent to be Dave. Although I don't agree with his slant on things, he does make proper arguments and doesn't seem to resort to name calling and skirting the issue when people disagree with him.

I think Dave has given up on this blog for now, we keep catching him. No matter what name he was using....the doucheness came through...

August 23, 2013 @ 9:01 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - see you posted that while I was typing my comment, now I look like a dummy....I thought we had established ycagwyw wasn't Dave?

August 23, 2013 @ 9:02 AM

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@Mississuaga Phil

I've changed my mind. ycagwyw (which happens to stand for You Can't Always Get What You Want) is most likely Dave. If he/she isn't, I hope they email me.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:04 AM


Yes, Dave Williams is satan while Irv still lurks about here.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:11 AM

Ryan G

@Rob - Agree with you 100%. I love my alone time. And I think it's healthy - it's important for a person to be completely comfortable by themselves. Whether it's going solo to the movies or getting a pint alone at my local pub, I both embrace and protect my need to be all by myself. I'm married and we have a great relationship, but I re-inforce the need for both her and I to retain our individuality and not morph into a single cell organism.

I've seen too many instances of couples who become so reliant on each other that they cannot function without the other. Anything can happen at any time, and I refuse to set myself up for that.

Too often I've seen dudes simply defer many of life's details to their wife. Then when wife goes away (for whatever reason), they are utterly lost - can't turn on a washing machine, pay a bill or stand the thought of doing something alone. And sadly, I've known some people who use that as leverage to keep a person with them for the wrong reasons. Needless to say, that won't happen to me.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:20 AM

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He's not satan, he's banned.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:21 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie: I actually enjoy what Irv has to say. I don't always agree with the slant or the way it's presented. At least Irv addresses whomever he's talking to. Dave Williams just trolls with statements.

@ everyone: Looking for some help. I took up softball two seasons ago. We have a co-ed team slow pitch teamand it's fun to have an evening out and joke around. As a team we perform really really well in our league.

Having never played baseball growing up, there was a certain skill set I had to pick up. When it comes to fielding I don't have any problems. I lock down on right field for all left hitter. I can throw a ball hard fast and far. Perhaps the strongest arm on the team with the ability to throw somone out from the right field all the way at third.

My only problem is my hitting. I can't seem to translate my power into a great swing. I would say every 12 at bats I belt it out of or close to out of the park. The problem is my other 11 at bats. Ball either goes foul and to the left or a pop up. To say the least I'm effing frustrated. Especially knowing the fact that when I connect I can do some damage. I know my stance and swing are off. I just can't fix it

I hate not being able to do something. Especially when it comes to sports. This batting curse is pissing me right off. Especially as it's underhand slow pitch.

What I want to know is if there is any basebal/softball pro out there that wouldn't mind helping me with my swing. or if you know someone involved in baseball/softball that provides lessons for hitting. You'd be compensated for your time. Potentially let mike know with your email address? I would like to improve in time for the fall season that starts in mid september.

Any help would be appreciated.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:28 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - Yup...picked up on that stones reference about a week ago.

@ Argie - there is a difference between Dave and Irv, clearly. Irv at least brings some intelligence to the conversation. You may not like/agree with Irv, but at least he debates and doesn't just plug his ears and scream "I'm right. you're wrong"

August 23, 2013 @ 9:30 AM

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@Ben Vidal

This is slo-pitch, so the pitch has to arch between 6 and 12 feet, right?

August 23, 2013 @ 9:30 AM


@ Ben & Phil
I'm obviously used to people disagreeing with me so that it isn't the issue - its the condescending, insulting way he does it.

It also gets tiresome having him always point out his assets and his caring and giving character as he recounts another antidote of how he's helped with the Vancouver soup kitchens by wiping the nose of some stung out crack whore.

Sure, its entertaining which is why I don't want him banned but its also why Dave W shouldn't be banned.

Just my 2 cents.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:40 AM

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I just chatted via email with ycagwyw and he's no longer banned... he's not Dave Williams.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:43 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Mike: It is slow pitch but there is no real rule regarding the arch or speed. It's with a softball and underhand and you only get three pitches no matter what.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:45 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - I believe the word you are looking for is Anecdote.

The difference between Irv and Dave is simple. Irv is a shit-disturber...he does it to get a rise out of and I are both guilty of that trait from time to time.

Dave was just downright mean spirited and made this blog an unpleasant place to be for many people (including the man who runs it).

@ycagwyw - Welcome back...I was pretty sure you weren't Dave...however...pot is not a drug...

August 23, 2013 @ 9:48 AM

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@Ben Vidal

Ok, that's 3-pitch... it's your teammate pitching to you.

In that case, you can stack the deck in your favour. For example, if you're a right handed batter, ask for the pitch to be outside and drive it over 1st base.

Your best bet for improving your batting average is plenty of batting practice. Level that swing and work on timing... it's all about timing, and practice improves that.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:50 AM


When will this awful Blue Jays season end. This has been absolutley dreadful to watch... Only 1 more week until the NFL starts can't wait.

August 23, 2013 @ 9:56 AM

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@ Jamie

Awful, awful season.

Several times the past few weeks I've sat down to write about this team but each time I've bailed. It's that bad.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:08 AM


Thanks, Phil. I feel like a goof but I'm glad you pointed it out.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:09 AM


The only reason I feel our political leaders should be held to a higher standard in the drug aspect is quite direct. I had a close friend of mine (A Canadian) lose a full scholarship years ago at UTEP for a failed drug test. Yes he did smoke pot, yes he broke the rules, did accept his penalty? He did.
Our leaders are role models period. Whatever they do prior to taking office is one thing, but to consume while in office, what type of message does that send?

August 23, 2013 @ 10:12 AM


Roughly half the concerts I go to are on my own. Most of my friends aren't into electro-industrial.

I enjoy the beer, and almost always find someone to chat with. Occasionally I know the people performing.

I used to watch movies alone when I had split shifts as a waiter. Great way to kill the 2-3 hours.

Back when I used to have work stress, I'd occasionally go have a couple of pints and read a book at lunch. (Actually have a job I enjoy these days.)

August 23, 2013 @ 10:13 AM


Dave is pure blog poison, to quote a wise man. He's gone out of his way to ruin BlogTO's unmoderated comments, and I've seen him shit up other sites.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:15 AM


While I didn’t expect the Jays to be the second coming as the media outlets would have had you believe following the off- season trades...I also didn’t expect them to be this far off the mark

With that many new faces and new manager I’m not sure what we were expecting to happen…certainly not a pennant. I think the Jays have laid a good foundation and provided that no one in the front office hits the “panic button” there should be a better showing next year.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:19 AM


forget football - this is a hockey town - looking forward to the leafs with their new additions. The only minor problem at the moment, is that it appears Kadri is a bit too high on himself. The new MLSE pres - Leweiki, has a another couple of weeks to take down old pics, and learn his players names. Other than that, I think we are in for an entertaining season.
I hope I don't sound too much like Cheryl !!

August 23, 2013 @ 10:19 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ ycagwya - To me, it sends the message that we need to re-evaluate an archaic law regarding a substance that has been proven to have fewer short and long term issues than alcohol.... a substance that a vast majority of North Americans of my generation admit to using.

I'm not some burn out stoner...anything can be abused. When my day is done, my son is in bed, and it's "my time" id much prefer to smoke a joint than pound back a few beers or a glass of JD...

@ Rick 2 - Agreed...HOCKEY'S ALMOST BACK BABY!!!!

@Mark - let him shit up those other long as it ain't here.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:25 AM



Kadri finished with 44 pts in 48 games - and playing on the 3rd line. The Leafs effing better pay him what he's worth or they'll lose him for good when he becomes a free agent.

The money and term they gave Clarkson was insane - and now they're trying to nickel and dime their most talented centre.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:29 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - You are correct about Kadri's stats. However, he was played in very specific situations, and was never the focus of the other team's top shut down guys. I'd like to see him sign a 1 or 2 year "bridge" contract at a more reasonable number (2.5-3 mil per year) like PK Subban did in Montreal.

If he continues to play at such a high level, then yes, give him the big bucks and long term the next time around.

Personally, I'd rather let him walk than risk being saddled with another untradeable contract for a guy who had 1 good season (and a shortened one at that)

August 23, 2013 @ 10:35 AM

4x4 Time

Although I like to support local business, I have a bit of a dilemma. I am not a handyman or DIY kind of guy.
I have 6 small basement windows in my house I want to replace. They are on metal frames, with sliding glass so you can open them with a screen front. They are original, house is about 25 years old.
I got 4 quotes from local windows companies, the average cost is about $700 per window ($4,200.00). I got each company to give me the size and spec of the window they were quoting, and all four were comparable.
Next, I checked to see what local contract labor would be to just install the window. 3 quotes, average around $150.00 per window, one guy said $600.00 for all 6. All quotes included caulking and finishing materials.
Next, I checked buying just the windows from Lowes, Home Depot and Home Hardware. Lowes was the best price - $179.99 each.
The exact same window, specs, size etc from Lowes US (Buffalo) is $120.00, including tax. No duty on windows coming back across the border I am told.
So, local window company – About $4,200.00 all in
Buy the windows in Buffalo - $720.00 + $40.00 in Exchange + $40.00 in Gas = $800.00
Local labor and finishing to install – 6 x $125.00 = $750.00
Buy and Install all in - $1,550.00 a pretty substantial savings
Would you buy from the local window companies or Buy and Install yourself?

August 23, 2013 @ 10:40 AM


Kadri got regular ice time which was not the case with previous seasons.

With more exposure and play time he only improved

August 23, 2013 @ 10:40 AM


Sorry Phil, but you don't piss off the future star of the team.

I'll eat my words if I'm wrong but Kadri is only going to get better. It would help if Carlyle played him more than 15 min a game.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:42 AM

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It's a safe bet Kadri will continue to improve. He's definitely a bright spot on this team, even though my buddy Muzzin wanted to trade him for a bag of pucks last January.

I'm intrigued by the Reimer vs. Bernier battle. I really like Reimer, and was hoping he'd be the sure #1 this season, but clearly MLSE has another idea...

August 23, 2013 @ 10:49 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Again, agreed. But when Carlyle started playing him more than 15 min per game is when his production started to drop off.

He is going to slide into Grabbo's spot on the 2nd line. He needs to suck it up, take his 1 or 2 year bridge contract (at more money than you or i are ever likely to see) and revel in being a hometown kid playing for the leafs.

Sure, Columbus, or some team of that ilk, would give him the 4-5 mil he's looking for to get themselves up to the cap floor, but wouldn't you rather play here??

In TO he's a rock star, he gets to bypass all the lines, and get's first crack at all the women in the bars. I helped open the C-Lounge in Toronto about 8 years back. During the grand opening, Matt Stajan walked in with a bunch of his teammates and announced "Ladies the Leafs are here...who wants to get laid?"

Suffice to say, there were a bunch of takers....

All I'm saying is, the kid could do worse than a couple of years in TO at 2.5-3 mil. It's not like he won't get more once he proves himself...

Both sides are dumb as posts if they let this fall apart...

August 23, 2013 @ 10:57 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Toronto Mike: How was the concert last night?

@ All: I hope whomever is sending death threats to the Rehtaeh Parsons' father get theirs in the end. I also hope the guys involved get charged as adults and suffer the full extent of the law.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:01 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - you are so right. Can't say more than that.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:05 AM


Speaking of being alone, I'm a single lady and want to stay that way. I can do what I want to do when I want to do it. I work at home doing medical transcription as you know. I used to go out to work, started working at home in mid 2002. thing about working at home is no office parties or birthdays to worry about and having to donate money to some kind of kitty or something for birthdays.

Well, you know how I feel about baseball. It's boring. I don't really care about the Diamondbacks, but I like Arizona so I'll find out if they win or lose, but have no idea who plays for them or anything. they suck right now though, but who cares.

Bring on hockey, but the Leafs won't be good this year. Habs are going to beat them October 1.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:09 AM

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@Ben Vidal

The concert is tomorrow night.

She's apparently quite excited about the opening band Emblem3, which I never heard of. I think we'll do dinner downtown before the show and big a big day of it.

I'm as excited as she is, if not more so.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:12 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Cheryl - The Leafs are going to be far superior to the might as well accept that now, it will save you heartache later.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:27 AM

Ken U Barrett

Amazing that some people send out sarcastic tweets about our Mayor today doing nothing but bringing positive publicity to our city,yet the leader of the federal Liberal party admits to doing something that is YES Illegal and NOTHING. Huh

August 23, 2013 @ 11:34 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: you need only read Ken U Barrett's response and YCAGWYW response to Trudeaus pot smoking to see that people are making a fuss of it.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:47 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Toronto Mike: weird how music tastes change from generation to generation. I remember my first concert. It was foo fest over at those hangars out by the airport. Rusty played, Talk show(Stone Temple Pilots minus Weiland when they first kicked him out). Today it's emblem3.

I do remember the excitement though. Also the thrill of buying your first concert T shirt. Oh and the smells. Probably the one thing different between going to a foo's concert as your first vs. emblem3.

I hope you two have a blast there.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:53 AM

Blind Dave

Decided to stick my nose in today. Thanks, Mike.

@Rob @Ben Vidal

Kudos from another happy loner. When I was single, I did all sorts of things by myself and was perfectly happy to do so. I have always enjoyed my own company, and often times (with the exception of a select few), I tolerate people more than I enjoy them.

@Ryan G

Good point about reliance. I've seen couples do that, and my first wife did that with me. Mind you, when you are a couple, chores and such tend to get divided up, so it becomes easy to forget how to do certain things. For example, my wife does the laundry. Now, I was doing my own laundry for 25 years before we met. But I'd have to look twice or thrice at "our" washing machine to be able to figure it out.


Yes, the Jays suck big time. But new faces and a new (regurgitated) manager shouldn't prevent the team from executing basic fundamentals. Good God, a little league team can do the basics competently. The Jays make at least two fundamental mistakes per game. Mike, if you want to write that entry, I'd love your take on why they can't even play with proper execution. Did these guys just get to the bigs and "forget"?


I don't agree with drug use or breaking the law, but it really is pointless to hold athletes, public officials, and others in the limelight, to a higher standard. People are people, regardless. My wife works in the school system, and one of the things she often says to her charges is, "What do you do when eyes aren't watching you?" So it's really up to the individual. But higher standard? Pointless to even ask for it.

I am staining my deck this weekend. Oh, joy...

August 23, 2013 @ 11:56 AM

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My first concert was Chalk Circle, but I didn't choose the act. In fact, nobody told me I could actually request to see a band... so I didn't go to a concert featuring an act I chose until I was in University when I started catching up for lost time.

I think my first show that I initiated was an Edgefest.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:59 AM


@Blind Dave

Then the question is was the "big" trade really that good? As I recall Alex Anthopoulos was praised for this move.

If these guys were as good as touted, the foundamentals should always be there.

August 23, 2013 @ 12:31 PM

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AA wasn't just praised for the trade, he was heavily praised. I was on that bus, too. It looked like a steal.

And on paper, as my bro reminds me, it was a steal.... we should be in a pennant race.

Too bad we had to play the games. It took a week to see this team didn't have it.

August 23, 2013 @ 12:43 PM


@Cheryl 11:09
Not working in an office, another thing is never having a telephone receiver smell like foul manure.
It happened to me. And twice, it was a female marketing director who dialed my number first thing at 9:00 a.m. I wasn't even a part of the marketing department. Nor was I required to use a phone very much at all. Sure, I attended a few forecast meetings along with her and a couple of other executives. This woman had never dialed me directly ever before or since.

August 23, 2013 @ 12:46 PM

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What are you suggesting?

August 23, 2013 @ 12:47 PM



Re: your friend who lost his year for a positive drug test.

This comment (and others) is why you have no credibility. For starters he was kicked out of an AMERICAN University. Excluding Seattle & Washington state American laws pertaining to cannabis are dramatically different. Get caught with small amounts of weed in Canada (under 1oz) chances are you'll get it confiscated & maybe get a ticket. In the USA the possession of a single joint could you get jail time. In theory, Bill Clinton admitting to smoking cannabis could have made travel outside the USA impossible.

You making a comment like that would be like me being an American, coming up to Canada with a loaded Tec9 & walking down the street. When I was arrested at gunpoint I'd say "well we can do this in Texas, so why am I in trouble". It's another case of you twisting facts to meet your agenda.

and "leaders are role models". REALLY? LOL. If that's so why not comment about the current batch of thieves in office or in the senate? And where's the harsh criticism of a drunk Rob Ford? Hey look kids, the mayor of Toronto admits to socializing with known criminals AND drinks AND is clearly a beacon of health.

The answer is simple. It's all about your biased and partisan support.

August 23, 2013 @ 12:52 PM


Put me down as another one who has no problem going to a movie alone, or a restaurant for that matter. I can't imagine going to a concert by myself - not sure why, it just wouldn't be the same for me.

While we're on the subject, what is with parents brining they're kids with them to concerts? I'm not talking about taking the kids to Selma Gomez, Beiber, etc., as Mike is doing. I'm talking about bringing 12 year olds to see your favourite band. The last thing I wanted to do as a kid was listen to my Dad's music - I can't imagine attending a concert with him (not that he'd ever go to one anyway). Why is it so important for these parents to expose their kids to their music? It actually takes away from my experience when I'm into the music and look over and see soccer mom and dad with a 10 year old that's wearing earplugs and looking bored.

August 23, 2013 @ 12:55 PM



Was that Chalk Circle at the precursor to Edgefest? They were shows held at Molson Park in Barrie. Was usually presented by Pizza Pizza and CFNY & tickets were like $5 bucks. I can't remember the name of the show but they were an all day long thing.

August 23, 2013 @ 12:58 PM


Irv he lost a scholarship due to a failed drug test not possession. I suppose I was not clear or you maybe have an issue with comprehension.
The Rob Ford issue I have no comment on as I have no dog in the fight.
The Senate should have been disolved years ago as it has no real impact on Parliment other than to delay the process, I am sure that an audit going back 25 years would find several discrepancies.
Please define the agenda that you claim I represent?

August 23, 2013 @ 1:06 PM

Blind Dave



So if bona-fide major leaguers are not executing as a team, then where is the mental block? It certainly can't be physical if they've come this far.

Does the manager get blamed for the players not playing? Where is the self-discipline? It doesn't seem to be a negative or self-destructing environment in the clubhouse. Not from what I've read anyway.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:06 PM

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I think you're talking about Another Roadside Attraction.

I saw Chalk Circle at the old Ontario Place Forum.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:06 PM

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After further analysis of writing style, messaging and more, I now believe ycagwyw to be Dave Williams.

Dave Williams, please find another online forum to spoil.

The Management

August 23, 2013 @ 1:09 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Cory - You are so right on that one buddy.

A few summers ago, I went to a huge outdoor festival in Orillia that Jack Johnson was putting on. My son was at home with his grandparents.

I had a woman come up to me and my friends and flip out on us for smoking a bit of pot...Really?!?!?! at a Jack Johnson concert you're surprised people are smoking pot.

She didn't want her children smelling it....

Before I could say a word, my buddies wife turned to her and said "do you know where my children are?? At home!! Because I live in reality and know that odds are there's going to be some drinking ad pot smoking going on at an outdoor music festival!"

The woman informed us that she was not fortunate enough to have someone able to take her kids for the weekend.....then don't go to the fucking concert...part of being a parent is having to sacrifice sometimes.....

I can honestly say, it never occurred to me to bring my son to something like that...

August 23, 2013 @ 1:10 PM


@ Corey

I have a few buddies who are so proud of the fact their 10 year old likes "their" music too. They're like "its so cool man, Tyler loves Pearl Jam, Green Day and Nirvana too!"

Its all about having their son as their best friend. They quickly forget they are the Dad and he is the son.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:18 PM


@Toronto Mike 12:47
I've got worst office stories than that.
At one place - I was just hired. The office guys resenting a female manager, were openly speaking about 'contributing' to an anonymous Christmas gift of a perfume bottle. This was to be by adding in their own personal scents, as it were.
At the same place as the manure phone, I once received a decorative watermelon topped fork and spoon plus a small African American Holidays' cookbook as my office Christmas gift. Why? I had no idea; but I was refused an answer of who gave it by its organizing committee.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:18 PM

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@ CQ

Are you of African descent?

August 23, 2013 @ 1:19 PM


@Blind Dave

It's easy to blame the manager/ coaching staff...but I think in this case it’s warranted.

I've never understood why they brought back Gibbons to manage this team. Did he have such a stellar career that warranted a second go around? If we assume that these are in fact good players then it does boil down to how they’re being managed/coached/trained.

Even the greatest players still need some coaching and training from time to time to reach or maintain their potential.

It seems that Gibbons and his staff are merely babysitting these guys until something better comes along…maybe that's the plan?

August 23, 2013 @ 1:20 PM


I googled it and it was CFNY's Canada Day festivals. They had 15 or so bands and were generally cheap (like $5 bucks for a ticket). These happened in the 80's. I believe they later became Edgefest when the station changed it's name.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:23 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - My son likes a lot of my music. But that has more to do with the fact that I refused to drive around listening to the wheels on the bus and such crap.

Hence my little guy has a good appreciation of the Beatles, Stones, Dave Matthews, and other such "family friendly" acts.

However, there is no doubt in my, or his, mind as to who's the parent and who's the child. But you are right, way to many parents of my generation care more about their kids "liking" them then whether the little darlings are going to be productive members of society....I saw a lot of that while coaching Tball...

August 23, 2013 @ 1:24 PM

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On that note...

I think fathers fantasize about their kids loving their sports teams and favourite bands. Like they'll reject the disposable pop band of the day and worship Pink Floyd instead.

My kids are exposed to my music a lot, because I play it in the car or in the home, and they like some of it and hate some of it.

But my son's go-to music right now is Macklemore and Ryan Lewis... and he's really digging Eminem and Kanye West.

And my daughter is all top-40, particularly Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato, etc.

But I remember playing Wham's Make it Big on cassette over and over again. I loved Duran Duran.

Kids will be kids... and when they're teens, you can try and introduce them to your stuff... and maybe they'll take, but maybe they won't...

August 23, 2013 @ 1:24 PM


Irv's go-to insults to conservatives:

"What about Rob Ford?"
"The Senate is a waste of taxpayers money too."
"Ontario sucks."
"I feed and bathe the homeless."
"I'm going sailing with my "friend." (OK, that was just once)

August 23, 2013 @ 1:28 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - of course. I love The Beatles, CCR, Blood Sweat and Tears , The Band, and a hundred other acts because of my Dad. He and I even went and saw Fohgery play at Rama a few years back, but I just couldn't see myself taking my young child, or even my teenager to an STP show or something like that. Until your children are out on their own as Adults, I agree with Argie that there has to be a line between parent and child...

August 23, 2013 @ 1:29 PM


Steve Ballmer is stepping down from Microsoft. It's about time. This guy has been a train wreck at the helm of this firm

- Zune
- Vista
- Windows 8
- Lousy cloud software
- XBOX sold at discount
- surface tablet

August 23, 2013 @ 1:29 PM


@Argie. You mean my criticism of the raging right winger Jack Layton? Oh, I said Senate dude which includes the Liberal senator also on the hook for spending money.

Now Argie, yes I am actively involved in helping homeless people. I'm surprised you take offense to that dude. I mean, it was JESUS who said you should love thy brother.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:32 PM

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@Mississauga Phil

Sure, but if my son said he wanted to see The Hip, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I'd love to see a Hip show with my boy.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:33 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Mike - Fair enough, he's also 13 or so if I recall...I guess at that age I might take mine to a Hip or DMB show or something like that...but the other side of me says that's "my time"...I'm really not sure.

I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it...certainly not taking my 5 year old to a concert...unless it's the Wiggles or something...

August 23, 2013 @ 1:38 PM


Another reason I don't mind going to shows alone, I like taking pictures:

August 23, 2013 @ 1:39 PM


@Argie: I listen to the music I like exactly as much as I can to not get sick of it. If I had a little one playing the shit out of "my" music, it would get tiresome fast.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:42 PM



I got a security bulletin the other day that Apple has apparently created software to disable camera's & filming at concerts & gathering. This was some discussion it could be used at concerts to stop (wait for it) piracy lol

August 23, 2013 @ 1:43 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Hello hive mind...

Quick poll... please take a moment to comment, even if the answer will disappoint me.

Who listens to Humble and Fred's podcast?

Who listens to one of my podcasts, either Toronto Mike'd or Your Blog Sucks?

August 23, 2013 @ 1:47 PM


@Irv, I vaguely recall seeing a patent granted for that kind of technology, but I don't believe it would be implemented anywhere yet.

A good batch of my earlier photos were taken with a pass for a local blog. Nowadays though I just use a nice compact RX100 which is permitted by most rules. ("No detachable lenses.")

August 23, 2013 @ 1:49 PM


@Toronto Mike, I listen to all three. I ended up here by way of H+F.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:49 PM


H&F - Oui

Toronto Miked - Non

Your Blog Sucks - Non

I've mentioned this before - just no time for more than one podcast. I've got things to do.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:53 PM

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@Corey and @markosaar

Thanks for the answers... all readers must answer, even if it's negative x 3.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:55 PM

Mississauga Phil

I have listened to TO Mike'd (not a regular by any stretch). No to the other 2.

It's nothing against the content, but much like Corey, just too busy.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:55 PM


The only one I've listened to has been TO Mike'd. No on the other two.

August 23, 2013 @ 1:58 PM


@Toronto Mike 13:19
As it happens, not at all. No one within that entire office was. I've a got a million of these little office stories.
Like the woman who got a kick out of flirting with the 'losers', myself included. One day she was at another location. So she left her soup and sandwich in the fridge. Sure enough, a known someone sampled half of the soup and half of the sandwich, and returned the rest of these items to the fridge. It wasn't that the guy was a moocher or malcontent. I could figure out the why; the woman was very likely flirting it up again, only this loser was a tad too aged and jaded to respond to it.
Then there's when a 'great guy or gal' openly starts up with some type of 'JAP - Jewish American Pr..." talk. They're not neccessarily racist, it is just that they are trying to find some pretext to getting you into employment (or promotion consideration) trouble. As office darlings, they can talk that stuff up with complete immunity.

August 23, 2013 @ 2:00 PM


I went to the very 1st CFNY / Edgefest - July st, 1987 @ Molson Park Barrie. The tickets were available from Pizza Pizza. The name was "CFNY Canada Day Party". I have a few pics in the album. It was a hot sunny day. I went to this festival year after year, and it included bands included The Northern Pikes, Parachute Club & 54-40 and the Hip - I remember Gord Downie with long hair.. A fun time was had by all !!

August 23, 2013 @ 2:05 PM


as for the podcasts :
H&F - was a regular in the past, but haven't listened in a year
Toronto Miked - frequently
YBS - listed once, would listen again

August 23, 2013 @ 2:07 PM


@Toronto Mike

H&F - everyday

Toronto Mike'd - Yes, when one is posted

Your Blog Sucks - No, not yet

August 23, 2013 @ 2:24 PM

Al The Royal Pain

Mike, I have stopped listening to H&F, but continue listening to both your shows. As others have stated, I don't have time to listen to daily podcasts. All the podcasts on regular rotation on my phone are weeklies with one exception...Prime Time Sports.

August 23, 2013 @ 2:25 PM

Al The Royal Pain

BTW, my band is playing tomorrow night @ the Sgt. Pepper's in Stoufville.

August 23, 2013 @ 2:26 PM


Never listened to H&F. Nothing personal, just never got around to it.

Toronto Mike'd: I listen to most episodes. I did stop listening for a bit when they were an hour long. Sometimes tune out when content isn't appealing to me. That's just personal taste/interest though.

Your Blog Sucks: I listen to it and I enjoy it. Don't think I've missed an episode yet.

August 23, 2013 @ 2:29 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Rosie and I are recording a new episode of Toronto Mike'd next week.

Your Blog Sucks is off for the month of August because Elvis left the country. We'll be back in September, though.

August 23, 2013 @ 2:31 PM


Sportsnet 360 actually aired Rob Ford/Hulk Hogans arm wrestling live! I got a laugh out of it.

August 23, 2013 @ 2:32 PM


Toronto Miked-occasionally
No to the other two

August 23, 2013 @ 2:35 PM


Fukushima: Vast Amounts Of Radioactive Water Creeping Towards Sea

"TOKYO (AP) — Deep beneath Fukushima’s crippled nuclear power station a massive underground reservoir of contaminated water that began spilling from the plant’s reactors after the 2011 earthquake and tsunami has been creeping slowly toward the sea.

Now, 2 1/2 years later, experts fear it is about to reach the Pacific and greatly worsen what is fast becoming a new crisis at Fukushima: the inability to contain vast quantities of radioactive water."

Happy Friday, everyone!

August 23, 2013 @ 2:47 PM


@Ben Vidal: Keep in mind I'm going off of what you posted. Although it's hard to "diagnosis" over the internet I'll try.

It sounds like you might be moving your head too much. Keep your eyes focused on the ball and watch it hit the bat.

Don't try and kill the ball either. Focus on a good solid swing.

Hope that helps.

August 23, 2013 @ 2:47 PM


I have listened but not recently.

@Corey: RE: Fukushima. Prevailing ocean currents mean a beeline for that stuff into Canadian waters. Look at all the debris that floated up from the Tsunami. It could have serious effects on the salmon fishery too.

Why anyone would build a nuke plant anywhere in the ring of fire is beyond me.

August 23, 2013 @ 3:05 PM

4x4 Time

Do not listen to the Podcasts on a regular basis.

August 23, 2013 @ 3:11 PM


I don't listen to any of those podcasts.

August 23, 2013 @ 3:22 PM


Mark, those concert pics are amazing. I love them!

Mike next week is our one-year POD-a-versary. Please don't go overboard on my gift, you know I have simple tastes.

My gift idea for you has been ruined by a certain closing down of a certain Food Building vendor at a certain Toronto fair. Back to the drawing board.

August 23, 2013 @ 3:40 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Be creative and make your own cronut!

August 23, 2013 @ 3:44 PM

Sam in Pickering

Yes - I listen to Toronto Mike'd.

Yes - I listen to Your Blog Sucks

No - I don't listen to Humble and Fred (too many fart jokes)

August 23, 2013 @ 3:46 PM

Dawn Keibals

@ Toronto Mike


August 23, 2013 @ 3:47 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

Toronto Mike Exclusive!

The only picture to include the following people:

Il Duce

August 23, 2013 @ 3:48 PM

Blind Dave

TOM: Listened to about 90% of the shows. Very enjoyable.
YBS: Listened to 50% of the shows. Good content.
H&F: No. I can't stand "idiot morning show" (two guys and sometimes a girl) radio formats.

August 23, 2013 @ 3:49 PM

Al Reda

Wow... but who is who? :)


I listen to Toronto Mike'd and YBS but not H+F.

August 23, 2013 @ 3:50 PM


@Toronto Mike

The funniest thing about that picture is how schlubby the guys look and how much better the gals look. Every single guy in that picture is punching above his weight.

TM'd: Yes
YBS: No - but I'll try it out
HF: I used to, but not in a year

August 23, 2013 @ 3:52 PM


Freddie P looks good.

August 23, 2013 @ 3:58 PM


Haha that reminds me, Howard is a great table guest to sit beside... Never lets your wine glass get too low. Very conscientious. I don't remember much after dinner, including any of that speech controversy! Lol

August 23, 2013 @ 3:58 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


Luckily, I have the video evidence!

Best speeches, ever. Fantastic night... can't believe it was two months ago.


Fred's lost a ton of weight... he's lean and mean, now.

August 23, 2013 @ 4:01 PM


Edge 102 CASBY's announced.

Fave New Artist and they mention Said the Whale. New artist? Their song Camilo hit the Alt Rock charts at #20 in 2009. How is this a new artist?

As heard on The Peak 3+ years ago, a "fave new artist" lol

August 23, 2013 @ 4:19 PM


Great pic.

To borrow Bangar's format:

TM'd: Yes
YBS: Yes
HF: No

August 23, 2013 @ 4:23 PM


I can't believe it either. It seems like when you got engaged, your wedding was so far off, and now you have been married two months. Bananas.

This summer flew by. Went to the CNE last night, it was so much fun. I don't care what anyone says, it may be dirty and make people sick but I love the Ex!

Now going to see the new Woody Allen movie. Hope it's good. I love Cate Blanchett. Have a great weekend everyone xo

August 23, 2013 @ 4:35 PM


H&F- always listen except when Emily Muse or Carla Collins is on

2 others- once or twice

Everyone should see "We're the Millers"
Funniest movie I've seen in a long time. H&F style humour!

August 23, 2013 @ 4:53 PM


TM'd: Yes, but not recently
HF: Yes, but not recently...I have been listening to the Sirius re- broadcast.

August 23, 2013 @ 4:56 PM


Mike, I am not Williams.

August 23, 2013 @ 5:55 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


New evidence suggest you are not in fact Dave Williams.

You are unbanned.

Welcome back.

August 23, 2013 @ 5:59 PM


TO Mike'd - yes all, although I haven't listened to the latest episode yet and not in a hurry to. I prefer the Rosie & Mike format, which I enjoy very much.
This is a quality podcast.

YBS - yes so far, but I find the mention of 'sucks' 10 times an episode really annoying, Not a priority going forward.

H&F- yes all, but they are pushing it. For two guys who complain about how rough they have it trying to make a buck, they are off on vacations and short weeks an awful lot. Sometimes I feel like I'm a burden to them as a listener. They expend great effort self promoting (to listeners and to celebs) and airing testimonials of people telling them how great they are ( emails and listeners dropping in). Some of the guests are just content fillers, they have no interest or connection to the guest. I could hear that crap on a Morning With Ditz & Dufus tv show (if I had a tv, which is why i don't). They've really slipped into a typical radio format (keep it moving, short segments), the opposite of what made their podcast so good the first year.

I listen to many podcasts.

August 23, 2013 @ 6:01 PM


I find debate about the possible entry of Verizon into the Canadian wireless market hilarious. I hear things like how a giant American company is getting special treatment and wouldn't serve the needs of rural Canadians.


No one seems to mind that the sale of beer in Ontario is 100% controlled by foreign companies. The profits from every beer you buy at the Beer Store or at a bar go outside the country. I wonder if Anheuser-Busch cares about rural communities?

Yet everyone is having seizures at the idea Verizon getting 12% of the wireless market.

August 23, 2013 @ 6:22 PM


"Sometimes I feel like I'm a burden to them as a listener."
What about the burden of the announcer? Really sounding like they would be happier moving on from this.

August 23, 2013 @ 7:32 PM


According to The Star, politicians admitting to smoking pot makes them "cool". Is this not the same paper trying to rip Ford for "alledged" drug use. Pot or Crack, both are illegal substances.


August 23, 2013 @ 10:27 PM


Being honest about it sure was fucking cool.

Ford just lies through his teeth.

And really, a puff of mary jane at a party isn't the same as smoking crack with criminals.

August 23, 2013 @ 10:48 PM


so.. snorting coke at a black-tie with a bunch of 1% ers is nothing like snorting coke with a dealer.

I don't have a problem with a politician smoking pot or hash or oil. Big Deal. It just makes them typical of the constituency. And it makes them believable. If anything, i'm disappointed Trudeau played it like he's only had a puff or two. Give me a break. Just say you do it.

August 23, 2013 @ 11:19 PM

4x4 Time

Sorry, that post above with The Star story about Justin Trudeau being "cool" for smoking pot was me.
If Ford did in fact smoke crack, and came clean up front, would the Star portray him as "cool"? I know there is a huge difference between pot and crack, but both are still illegal drugs. More importantly would voters resonate more with Ford and have increased support for him if he did admit guilt if he did smoke crack?

August 24, 2013 @ 8:21 AM


No, don't listen to Humble and Fred. No, don't listen to any podcasts. Would prefer to either listen to audio books, my own music or when hockey starts again, hockey. I like commenting here though.
I'm a Habs fan so of course they will beat the Leafs. They have to and my coyotes will do great as well.

This is the thing about working at home. I don't have to buy office Christmas gifts. At my first job, we had to draw a name, but then we had to buy presents for everyone. That sucked. I just got little things, for everyone, but then I would get really big presents. Glad those days are over.

August 24, 2013 @ 8:38 AM

4x4 Time

Yesterday I was told by someone who works for Air Miles that the program they have with the LCBO costs the LCBO “well into 8 figures”. I asked why they offer this promotion and was told it was too reward ‘customer loyalty” and strengthen “brand awareness”.
I can understand this strategy if the LCBO was a private company fighting for market share, but the LCBO is a taxpayer funded organization and a monopoly business with no real competition.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy Air Miles like everyone else, but in this case could taxpayer money be better spent on other programs? Not that it likely would.

August 24, 2013 @ 8:38 AM


@Matt Aug. 23, 14:32
Mayor Ford had a training partner earlier this week, 92 year-old Mississauga Mayor Hazel McCallion.

@Glen 18:32
Yeah. And where was the reverse outrage when our Conrad Black was a foreign owner of major U.S. newspapers, or last year when 100% of the CW network's new shows were made in Canada?

August 24, 2013 @ 8:45 AM


@Anon&on -
"...They expend great effort ... airing testimonials of people telling them how great they are ( emails and listeners dropping in)."

Yes. This is quickly becoming my least favourite part of the show. Guys, you already have me as a listener. I couldn't care less if your inbox is filled daily with 10,000 emails from other listeners telling you how much they love you. I don't need to hear them. What, is hearing how much others love the show supposed to validate my decision? Knock off the love-fests and work on providing the original content that hooked me in the first place.

August 24, 2013 @ 8:53 AM


@4x4 Time -

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the LCBO is self sustaining. Unlike most government organizations, they bring in revenue and are profitable. Those promotions are paid for from the sale of booze, not tax dollars.

August 24, 2013 @ 8:59 AM

4x4 Time

@Corey...Thanks, not sure how LCBO works, but I just thought it weird to spend money on loyalty and brand in a monopoly.

August 24, 2013 @ 9:20 AM


People have questioned LCBO's magazine and street advertising too.

I don't think there's any doubt that it's poorly run with piles of questionable decisions (they don't even use their purchasing power to get better deals on stock, they've apparently even asked for higher prices for "social responsibility"). It's profitable solely because it's a monopoly.

August 24, 2013 @ 9:31 AM


@ben vidal as for the difference in musical tastes between generations, for some demos I don't think that it has changed much. When I was growing up say middle school-junior high years, the girls all loved the pop music of that era (bsb,nsynce,Brittney spears, ace of base, boyz 2 men, spice girls...ect) while the boys were into Metallica, rage, offspring, pearl jam, nirvana, green day...ect). I'm sure if Selena Gomez and Emblem3 were around in the mid-late 90's that would have been loved the girls back then as well.

A question for parents out there, what is an appropriate age to take your child to there first concert or should I say rock concert? The first concert I went to was Summersault 98, I would have been 14 at the time. The reason I ask what age is appropriate is I went to a Phish show this summer as was surprised by the number of kids there. Not young teens 12-15, but kids like ages 3-10.

@ Toronto Mike This week I learned that my best friend growing up now has a baby brother. My friend is 29 and his brother is 27. Just wondering should you and your lovely new wife decide to have children at some point, would the gap in ages between james and michelle and the new baby be something that you would think about? I realize that now the gap wouldn't be that large, but say you wait 5, 10, 15 years

August 24, 2013 @ 12:14 PM

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There's going to be over 12 years difference in age between my oldest and my youngest. Even my Selena Gomez fan daughter will be almost a decade older. So they'll be less playmates and more mentors / nurturers.

It's going to be different... I'm hoping my first two kids embrace the role.

August 24, 2013 @ 2:29 PM


Probably the biggest concert taking place this summer is happening in Simcoe, Ontario this weekend featuring Mumford and Sons.
Up to 60,000 people attending to see this great band.
Not a word about it in the Toronto media, at least that I have seen.
What's up with that???

August 24, 2013 @ 8:54 PM


The problem with concerts is that they're so loud these days. They overdo the speakers so go to hardly any. Anyway, maybe bring Ray Girard for some podcasts and I would listen. That would be good.

August 24, 2013 @ 9:13 PM


The numbers I read in a piece about the gentlemen of the road concert in simcoe mentions 60k people attending and in the same breath mentions 35k ticket holders. I would guess the lack of media attention would be based on the fact Mumford and sons are playing Toronto in a couple of days.

August 24, 2013 @ 9:20 PM

Rick C in Oakville

Mike: Did I miss an anouncement regarding your future father hood? I know you had mentioned your intentions before.
I listen to all 3 Podcasts, as I get alot of driving time where radio is just not engaging me, and I feel a connection with the presenters. I will always listen to H&F, just the kind of fan I am, but to defend the listener emails: they will take criticism and air it, as I have sent emails (and they have read them on air) regarding content etc. You would never see that on any other show produced elsewhere.
@4x4 Time: Check out what maybe Home Depot's contractors would charge, knowing the numbers you have. At least buy the windows locally and then have the flat rate carpenter you contacted install them for you. I just think in the current market that most contractors have a ton of work, and toss you a price that if you go for it, they can afford to sub contract to a buddy they work with. My sister took 3 months to find a contractor to do a small (under $8,000) bathroom reno, as they all were too busy with bigger jobs

August 24, 2013 @ 9:57 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Speyside: Never heard a peep either about the Mumford and Sons concert. There have been a lot of great outdoor concerts all around Southern Ontario this year. I think the Ontario Tourism must have given some seed money as they are sometimes mentioned as co-sponsors in advertising.

August 24, 2013 @ 10:00 PM


Yep, 35,000 tickets sold to the concert, an additional 25,000 people visiting Simcoe to enjoy the experience. It's held in the fairgrounds and I'm sure you can at least hear the "experience" if you don't have a ticket.
This in a town with a population of 15,000.
60,000 people showing up for a concert in Ontario
Is at least worthy of some mainstream media coverage.

But I guess if its not in Toronto it didn't happen.

August 24, 2013 @ 10:03 PM

Jason from Sudbury

So I have to ask, what's the big deal about Mumford And Sons? Can't go anywhere without hearing them and seems everybody is into them. Personally I can't stand them and if I hear them on the radio I have to change the channel. Same as the Lumineers.

August 24, 2013 @ 11:56 PM


@Cheryl, I just wear earplugs. Been doing so ever since an overly loud show in 2003 (KMFDM) just ruined my hearing. My ears were ringing for three days afterward.

August 25, 2013 @ 1:22 AM


I tried that. It's still very loud. If you have a special kind of earplugs that work for you, then tell me about them. I don't have any sight so it's really important I don't lose my hearing. If you can see, then losing your hearing isn't as bad.

I never heard of Mumford and Sons. They're probably some modern rock group. They're probably not like Bob Seger or John Mellencamp. Anyway, Bob Seger and John Mellencamp will live forever. they're not going to die any time soon.

August 25, 2013 @ 7:55 AM


Went to the Argos game on Friday. Let me paint a picture for you: beautiful sunny weekend evening. The Dome was open. Our Toronto Argonauts are the reigning Grey Cup champions, and first place team this season, with the hottest QB in the league. They are taking on the Calgary Stampeders; a rematch of last year's Cup. All the makings of a great night of football.

20,000 people there. That's it. There looked to be more Stamps fans than Argos fans. There was a pre-game ceremony to honor the 1983 Grey Cup winning team - they brought in most of the team including Condredge Holloway, Terry Greer, etc. If there were 10,000 fans there for that I'd be surprised. No one could even bother to stand up to applaud these guys. I felt embarrassed for them, and for Toronto as a sports town. The Calgary fans basically had the run of the joint, cheering, laughing, while most of the disinterested Torontonians kept their eyes on their smart phones. Pathetic.

August 25, 2013 @ 7:56 AM

Rick C in Oakville

Cheryl: You can have custom filtered plugs made by an audiologist to help reduce the harmful noise and allow the music through, similar to what you see musicians wearing. You can also get generic ones on line the Etymotic Research units are very good, and you can also get them from a local audiologist. Avoid the big chain hearing stores, there are a lot of small private practice specialists. Marshall Chasin is a local Audiologist who specialises in this, being a musician also, he has personal experience.
@Jason: Being of Scottish/Irish with some down east descent I love the Celtic sound of their music,just a nice departure from the canned dance music heard none stop around Toronto. But just like the bag pipes, it is personal taste for sure.

August 25, 2013 @ 8:17 AM


@Speysidephil I live on the East Coast and after watching the pissing contest that has been going on for the last decade between Halifax and Moncton with regards to the size of their concerts, I'm skeptical of the 60k number for the Mumford concert. If 60k is accurate I'm sure it is a great thing for the local economy of Simcoe, actually I'm sure that 35k people is a great thing for the local economy. That's one of the nice things about the gentlemen of the road festival, Mumford tries to put the shows in smaller cities off the beaten path. I know last year one of the four stops on the tour was in Portland Maine, while bigger then Simcoe when a band announces 4 American dates for an entire summer Maine seems like a strange choice for one of them.

As for why Mumford is so popular, to me personally it's because they are fit into many radio formats, broke through on the radio on modern alt rock stations, then the rock stations, then the 40 stations. In addition to Mumford and the Lumineers, I would also put grouplove and of monsters and men.

August 25, 2013 @ 10:37 AM


@Corey - You accurately described why I do not enjoy going to an Argos, and sure, throw in Blue Jays, game. Toronto is a Leafs city - that's the beginning, middle and end of the story. Other teams just do not warrant support - even if they are winners. BMO Field fills up for any two pro teams playing soccer, not TFC. Maybe if the Jays return to their 92/93 form we'll find out otherwise.

Mike has written about the sad state of support for the Argonauts on a number of occasions. Too many in Toronto think the city is a first class sports town that deserves an NFL team. It's never going to happen. The main reasons: US television ratings, marketing (Americans do not give a damn about Canada and Canadian teams outside of hockey) - in other words, $$$ money $$$.

People talk about how great it is to go to a game in Buffalo, but as I listen, they are going for the tailgate partying. For years, the Bills have been one of the worst teams in the NFL, worse than the Argos in the CFL. You are not going to get the kind of tailgating anywhere in Ontario, let alone Toronto, for a game. For one, you can bet that we have laws that effectively prevent it - or somebody who will file a legal complaint and shut it all down anyways (this is Ontario). For years, the Bills have had the cheapest tickets in the NFL; they are the fifth lowest this year, at an average of U$120.11. Tickets in Toronto would be significantly more expensive than in economically stifled Buffalo, but lower than the annual Bills in Toronto game. "NFL" fans would go for a year or two, then attendance would fall off a cliff and Toronto would be exposed to Americans, on their national television, for the pathetic sports city that it is.

August 25, 2013 @ 10:39 AM

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Count me as a Mumford and Sons fan.

I dig the blend of rock and folk and his voice. I play their last two albums all the time.

The Lumineers, however, is a different story. I never took to their sound.

August 25, 2013 @ 11:21 AM



Corey I think the scene that you described for Friday nights games is somewhat accurate for the entire league. The only place that I know that the CFL thrives is Saskatchewan. I've been to one CFL game in my life in Calgary. The crowd was about 26000, but I would say half the stadium was wearing Rider green.

For me personally I'm a big NFL fan, but I don't really have any interest in the CFL. For me there are a couple of reasons I'm not really into it. The first is that I view it as a second tier sports league on par with the AHL and CHL. It doesn't mean the games aren't interesting, but I'm not heavily invested the league or the standings.

Secondly, the league does a poor job marketing their stars. Growing up there was flutie, gizmo and pinball, not only did I know about those guys but I knew they were legends in the cfl. Today I can name Ricky Ray and Anthony Calvio.

The third reason I'm not really into the CFL is because the game isn't locally available to me. I'm in Fredericton, if I want to go to a game in person I would have a 8 hour car drive to montreal. If I am driving that distance for a game, I would drive south and go see a Pats game. The CFL has been nice enough the last couple of years to put 1 game in Moncton as a litmus test to see if the CFL would work out here. With no local team to cheer for, the crowds aren't emotionally invested in either team so the crowd seems quiet and uninterested.

August 25, 2013 @ 11:34 AM


@Joel - All of your CFL points are valid. The league has done a decent job of shooting itself in the foot. I think your Calgary experience was an anomaly. We all know the Saskatchewan story. Considering the size and diversity of the market - and the proximity of Seattle - Vancouver does rather well getting a decent number of enthusiastic fans out for Lions games. Then again, the average ticket price for a Seahawks game is U$204.56. ( )

Again, the bottom line is money. Canadians do not have the after-tax disposable income that Americans do. Canadians are also more frugal with their disposable income. Even with whatever degree of financial support they do get from the NFL, the CFL will never be able to afford a parallel level of spending to market the league, let alone the individual teams. Massive spending, promotion and celebration of sports is "American". This is Canada. For better and worse.

August 25, 2013 @ 11:54 AM

Rick C in Oakville

Noticed Indie 88 is running the titles and artists to be displayed on your radio, if capable. Maybe they listened to part of your tweet Mike.

August 25, 2013 @ 8:39 PM


I have to agree about Humble and Fred. I listen a lot, but it's getting a bit irritating how much time off they take. I realize it is their business and they are entitled to do what they like... but... you also have a duty to your listeners if you expect them to be loyal. I couldn't run a business that closed every friday and took weeks off here and there.

August 25, 2013 @ 9:48 PM


Entertaining as always everyone.

@Rosie - I'm pretty sure I made sure you had a good time at the wedding. I have the photo to prove it.

August 26, 2013 @ 6:31 AM

Ben Vidalb

@ Douglas: I don't know where you are getting your facts from that Canadians do not have the after tax disposable income that americans do. Please show me some stats on that.

I also don't know where you came up with the belief they are more frugal with their disposable income.

Please elaborate.

August 26, 2013 @ 9:27 AM


Well, so these customized earplugs are better to use. I know the wax or foam ones you get aren't very good at all.

Anyway, I don't really care about the CFL. I'm an Arizona Cardinals fan in the NFL, but hockey is my favourite and then basketball.

August 26, 2013 @ 11:07 AM


Probably a long shot but I have an extra ticket to Volbeat, All That Remains, Him and Airbourne if anyone is interested. Friend backed out. Shows down at sound academy.

August 26, 2013 @ 2:42 PM


@Ben Vidalb @Douglas

It has more to do with population than money. A lot of Canadians have the money but we just dont have same population density as the US.

The Canadian market cannot compare itself to the US market. Its apples and oranges...

August 26, 2013 @ 3:40 PM

Jason from Sudbury

@Matt: If I was in the area I would definitely be interested lol. Should be a good concert though. Have fun.

August 26, 2013 @ 4:24 PM


Listened to the Mike Muzzin episode of TO Mike'd, and I have to say it was better than expected. Muzzin has a radio voice, TO Mike did a good job of making it work.

August 26, 2013 @ 5:50 PM

Rick C in Oakville

I had heard what sounded like Anti-Psychiatry ads on Newstalk 1010, but wasn't sure I was hearing what I was hearing as it didn't make sense. This discussion on SOWNY kind of clears it up, possibly connected to Scientology.

August 26, 2013 @ 8:50 PM

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