Tuesday Open Mike

Open MikeIt's Tuesday, and you know what that means... it's time for another Open Mike.

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I feel like a bit of Devil's advocate here. Or maybe it's trolling. I can never tell.

@Mike: When Brian Burke's lawyers came knocking, you stated publicly that you would never turn over a poster's private information (IP address, etc).

But what if someone came looking for Rinse, with the intention of using Rinse against Ford? Who would that person have to be for you to turn the information over?

June 18, 2013 @ 9:43 AM

Ryan G

Had the day off yesterday, decided to go see a matinee at Scotiabank Theatre on Richmond.

I had a certain window of time in which I could go, so the only films available for me were Superman 25 or Star Trek 16, or The Purge. I figured I'm kinda gonna know what to expect with the first two , so i opted for the latter, which stars Ethan Hawke, whom I generally like. Interesting concept for a film, but it turned out to be just as predictable as the other two movies. Neat concept, mediocre execution, and some unfortunate acting performances too. One exception is the main "villain" who reminded me a little of Heath Ledger's Joker.

And by the way, if you're going to Scotiabank theatre, hire a Sherpa to haul your gear. The giant escalator is out of commish due to some labour strike. Enjoy those stairs!

June 18, 2013 @ 9:53 AM


I finally watched season 3 episode 9 of Game of Thrones yesterday.


June 18, 2013 @ 10:02 AM


I recently joined Good Life Fitness. I noticed they have these "No judgement" posters all over their lobby. I guess they believe in the trendy "no judgement" slogan which is wrong on so many levels.

Firstly, a semi-hip fitness club repeatedly telling us "judgment is wrong" is ironic. After all, most members join a fitness club because they know they're being judged, sometimes from a far and sometimes to their faces. It human nature to judge - to give an opinion and even make fun of someone's physical appearance. I'm not saying its always justified but we all do it.

The "no judgement" preaching is also wrong because there are times we DO have to judge. We judge others when determining if we want to hang around certain kinds of people. For example, would I be friends with a heroin addict? Um, no. Should I let my kids play with the offspring of ardent communists or fascists? No.

We need and use judgment to separate right from wrong. Sure, many people will say, "who's to say what's right or what's wrong". To that I say, there are certain absolutes that are either right or wrong and when we can't see the difference, we endanger ourselves and loved ones.

In other words, there's nothing wrong with judgment - in fact there should be more judgment in our society and less moral relativism. So go ahead and judge me -because after all, there's a good chance I'm judging YOU!

June 18, 2013 @ 10:12 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - I would say that it is your choice to not hang out with the Heroin addict (I wouldn't either). But why can't your kids play with children of people who's political lean is different than yours? My son plays with all the kids on the street, some of their parents are Christian, some atheist/agnostic, a couple of them are even (gasp!) Muslim. Kids don't tend to discuss politics, or religion when they're playing, they just want other kids to play with.

Yes we all judge...but quite frankly, you judge a bit too much.

June 18, 2013 @ 10:21 AM



"...but frankly, you judge a bit too much." There you go, you have just made a judgment - which is OK.

So you would be OK with your son hanging around with a kid who's parents are skin-head Nazis?

June 18, 2013 @ 10:31 AM


The story of JT accepting $20k as a speaking fee from a Charitable Organization while a paid MP is an interesting one. There have been over 2000 comments made on this story, the vast majority of which are eager to excuse and/or forgive Trudeau. If Harper had taken a fee for speaking while still PM, especially from a charity that is crying broke, does any one here think he would get a pass like JT is?


June 18, 2013 @ 10:49 AM

Ben Vidal

I could care less if Harper, Trudeau, Mulcair or any of the MP's out there were paid money to speak at an event.

Is it Trudeau's fault these charities didn't make money on the event? Lets say you are having party you are charging people to come to. In order to increase revenue you hire a band to play. Then after everything is said and done, not enough people came to the party despite having the band. Should that band pay you money back???

If you've ever worked for a not for profit charity or any charity for that matter. I have and I wouldn't feel very bad for the charity themselves. Have you ever looked at some of these charities and how much of your donation actually makes it into the pocket of the cause they are promoting? In some charities people working there are getting paid TOP dollar to work there. Bloated salaries for people, that are supposed to help raise thousands of dollars. Next time you donate ask the charity how much of your money actually makes it to the cause. Then ask them how much money goes to wages for personnel. You'd be shocked and scared.

It's not Trudeau's fault they are in bad repair financially or they lost money on the event? Nor should it be any MP's fault if they speak at an event and get paid for it that they should then pay back the money because the event resulted in a loss for the charity. If they do a speaking engagement and get offered money, that's great. Even people who hate Trudeau must agree with the basics of a business agreement. Both parties sign a deal, the party providing a service does so. The party fulfills it's commitment. Liability for the success of the even does not rest on the party providing a service unless they do not fulfill their agreed to service. The nerve of the charity or any business for that matter wanting money back because the event was a failure.

At the end of the day none of this matters because the most important line in the story is the very last one.

"Trudeau said the federal ethics watchdog cleared his speaking engagements after becoming an MP."

Everything else is a moot point.

June 18, 2013 @ 11:15 AM


@ Ben - No surprise you think its OK for JT to take the money and run. I respect your opinions but really, can you please be honest in admitting that you would have a problem with Harper doing the same.

I don't have a problem with Trudeau taking money from corporations but he shouldn't accept anything from publicly funded universities, high schools and charities.

I'm sure he's smart enough to realize his popularity goes up every time he appears at one of these engagements - with or without an appearance fee.

June 18, 2013 @ 11:24 AM


Scotiabank Place up here is now the Canadian Tire Centre. You can all die laughing, now.

June 18, 2013 @ 11:28 AM


How bout them Blue Jays! 6 in a row and Reyes was 2 for 3 in his first rehab start in AA. 3 games under .500. Playoffs anyone?

June 18, 2013 @ 11:29 AM

Al The Royal Pain

This Friday is my new band's first gig!

Not that anyone here would come out as it's way up deep in the 905 (north of Newmarket)...but we do have a Toronto gig scheduled for August 17 @ Duffy's Tavern in Bloordale.

Here are the details for that gig.

June 18, 2013 @ 11:31 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - No, I probably wouldn't let my son play with the children of skinheads, touche.

@ Argie - dead on when it comes to Trudeau...God I hope we don't get stuck with him as PM (but I think we're going to...)

June 18, 2013 @ 11:33 AM


@ Phil - I agree it does look like he'll be the next PM. Much like Obama, he'll be elected by the young and stupid as their "savior". Who needs Christ when you have St Justin?

Also like Obama, he's probably not a bad person - he's just an empty suit guided by the wrong people. I suggest people read this article by Ezra Levant:

June 18, 2013 @ 11:48 AM


Mrs. elvis just used a hashtag in a text to me. I'm not sure what I think about that.

June 18, 2013 @ 11:57 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - I disagree with you on Obama, but lets just say for a second you're right about him....you'd Rather have McCain??? or Romney?? (cause you'd have one of them if not Obama.

If my options were McCain, Romney or Trudeau....I'm taking Trudeau.

Thankfully we have Harper as an alternative, he's not perfect, he's not always right, but he's better than Trudeau...

June 18, 2013 @ 11:58 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Argie: No I don't have a problem with anyone doing it. Ok scratch that only people I would have a problem with doing that is anyone from the bloc going around promoting separation. Outside of that they should be free to speak anywhere.

Do you think Trudeau approached these people and said I'll speak at your event, but you must pay me? I'm almost 99% certain that charities, universities, schools and any place he's spoken at have sought him out. Not the other way around. I can say with more certainty that the charity sought him out specifically, because they would have wanted that to result in a greater amount of donations. Charities are notorious for having guest speakers whom they pay top dollar for. So why is it a problem if a politician does it? Universities pay for speakers to come to their campus all the time, why is there a problem with that? If he's not supposed to take money from universities for speaking, then universities shouldn't pay anyone to come speak at their campuses whether they are a politician or not.

@ Phil: One can only hope we get Trudeau over another 4 years of Harper and his band of nut bars.

@ Jamie: I hope they get back over .500. I vowed not to go to anymore games this season until they do.

June 18, 2013 @ 12:02 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - Have you heard any of the things Trudeau said before he decided to throw his hat in the PM ring?? If you aren't a francophone, you're second class to him...I'm not conservative by astreach of the imagination, but Trudeau is a joke and this country will go to pot with him in charge.

June 18, 2013 @ 12:11 PM


The cynic in me says that this is just to drum up pageviews:


I don't know anything about it, but this UK-based site is claiming they obtained the video while in Toronto to cover the MMVAs :rolleyes:

June 18, 2013 @ 12:27 PM


Bah. It sounds like a hackjob from the original Gawker and Star articles. I wouldn't even bother clicking.

June 18, 2013 @ 12:33 PM


@Ben - I'm frankly surprised MP's are allowed to accept fees for speaking engagements. Apparently Trudeau disclosed $1.3 million in earnings from this, some portion of that while an elected MP. Pretty lucrative gig - especially when you can do it at the same time you should be present in Parliament (Trudeau missed 2 votes that particular day) earning your $165,000 regular salary. By the way, there were other speakers at this particular event (including an MLA from Saskatchewan) who did the right thing and declined payment.

June 18, 2013 @ 12:42 PM


The charity issue is a interesting subject.

Trudeau shouldn't have been paid to speak at the event. I actually have an issue with any MP making money outside of their MP job. There's got to be a conflict there.

I'm shocked it's permissible. No elected official should have another job at all. Hell, I'd question their investments if a new law or legislation have that company a higher stock value or any better edge.

June 18, 2013 @ 12:52 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Mcnulty: Like it or not it's permissible. He did his due diligence and cleared it through the ethics watch dog. Until such time as the rules change then that is how things are. Rightly or wrongly. Then there is CPC MP Susan Truppe who kepy working as an assistant manager at a hotel after she was elected in 2011. I think the opposition needs to shut up on all sides, because I think they are jealous they aren't able to command $2.00 to speak. I also think that if the $20,000 is too much why are people willing to pay it???? Can't they get someone else???? Question the charities before you question the speaker.

@ Corey: So he missed two votes. If had committed to speak months before and then the after that point they decided to vote on something should he cancel speaking at the event? I won't even point out how most votes in a majority don't matter from the opposition, but that's neither here nor there. I think you fail to see that people are paid all the time to speak at charity events. So one guy didn't accept money that's great. There are thousands that do. Based on your indication the people working for charities shouldn't be paid either. It should be about the charity, not about getting paid to help other people. Heck read this article here http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Wall+shot+Trudeau+speaking+fees+cheap/8539848/story.html.

The hotels that host these charity events shouldn't charge rental for rooms or conference centers. Their food should also be given for free. I implore you to please find out the % of how much a charity actually donates from every dollar received, it's frightening.

@ Phil: Oh I've heard what Trudeau has said. Not just from the terrible pieced together attack ads harper has out. Yes he made gaffe's, but would you like me to show you all the stuff harper said before becoming an MP and PM? How about even last year when Harper called Calgary the greatest city in the greatest country in the world. Defend that one? or should I go on about all the insulting things he said about Canada when he went to go speak in the US?

June 18, 2013 @ 1:26 PM


@Elvis Hashtags in texts are grounds for divorce.

If you are speaking at a charitable event you SHOULD NOT take payment for doing so! Ever!

Browsing Reddit today and read the "dumbest customer complaints" thread in Ask Reddit. People are pathetic. For those working in customer service, do not tolerate their bullshit. Your self worth is more important than some asshole taking advantage of "customer service"

June 18, 2013 @ 1:37 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ben - Please don't be condescending and act like we all go by PC attack ads. Trudeau is a spoiled little silver spoon kid, who has stated on many occasions that Quebec is the best part of Canada, and has fought tooth and nail anytime people talk about abolishing the fiscal black hole that is our senate. (due in no small part to Quebec being over-represented in the senate). You are as bad as Argie or Speyside in their defense of Ford; you identify yourself as a Liberal, so by default, their candidate must be the right one.

I'm sure Harper does think Calgary is the greatest city in Canada, it's where he's from. Now, if the MAYOR of Toronto (or any other city in Canada) thought Calgary was the best city in Canada I might have a problem.

I can give you a hundred reasons why Harper should be re elected...our country has survived this recession almost perfectly, our housing market did not collapse, our unemployment rate never spiked to obscene levels...the man saw us through it. Can you give me one (just one) legitimate reason, based off his performance thus far, why Trudeau would make a good PM??

June 18, 2013 @ 1:42 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


No, I wouldn't give up Rinse's IP address unless there was a court order forcing me to.

June 18, 2013 @ 1:44 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I'm judging the shit out of you.

June 18, 2013 @ 1:49 PM


@Ben - I understand people get paid all the time to speak at events. I get how that works, I really do. I can also tell you if I told my employer that I wasn't going to be around sometimes because I was making money doing something else, I have a feeling I'd be fired on short order. MPs should not be able to do this, period. The fact that they can currently is not Trudeau's fault, but it should be addressed.
The fact that you're so invested in protecting MPs ability to shirk their regular duties in order to pad their income is interesting. Again, I'll go back to the original premise of my post - if this issue specifically targeted Harper, or Baird or McKay, I have my doubts that you'd be so laissez faire.

June 18, 2013 @ 1:51 PM


@Phil: When you say it's where he's from, are you implying he was born and raised there? That's where he lives now.... certainly not where he was born nor where he was raised. You need to look a little bit further east to find his birth place.

He's the prime minister this country not of Calgary. Anyone that has been to Calgary or been across this great country of ours would certainly agree that Calgary doesn't even come close to being in the top 10 cities.

I have not stated I'm a liberal, I'd like you to find that here on this blog.

You argument in the last paragraph is completely void of a point. You are comparing someone who has been Prime Minister to someone who hasn't. I see how the two can compare. I also know what Harper did before he became PM and there was nothing stellar there. So lets compare on level ground.

I could go on about all the things Harper and his team of cronies have done or haven't done since he took power. You will disagree about it no matter what I say. I do think he was the only leader in the world to state there wasn't a world wide recession occurring, but I could be wrong, even though I wasn't.
None the less think about how great things are next time you are eating beef that has passed through the CFIA after all the cuts he's made.

June 18, 2013 @ 1:56 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Corey: I know it's hard to believe, but I am honestly ok with anyone going to speak at events. I can assure you that it will come out that people from all realms of the political spectrum here in Canada have done so. I won't have a problem with any of them having done it. I will have a problem if there are some who did the same thing but criticized Trudeau for it. As for shirking responsibility I wouldn't go that far. That's a whole other debated.

As for your statement about losing your job if you told your boss you were going to leave work to go make money doing something else. I will counter with the fact that I know there are plenty of CEO's, VP's and others that work in the business world that go to speak at conferences and get paid for it. It's actually quite common practice.

@ Phil: How slimy is the PMO when they have to send information to a news paper and then try to be cowards and say you have to quote us as just a source, but not the PMO. I think I smell some of the skunks and weasels Freddie P is always referring to, except they work with Harper.

June 18, 2013 @ 2:07 PM

Has a brain

The ethics commisioner approved Trudeaus appearances. Trudeau reported this income as is a requirement of MP's who hold private business interests. Backbench and OPPOSITION MPs are permitted to hold business intereste. In 2010, nearly half were doing so.

Stop listening to bullshit spewed by Sun News which is clearly partisan. If you are unable to comprehend whay I just wrote please pull a Cheryl and get off this forum

June 18, 2013 @ 2:10 PM


The recent news that the LCBO had record profits this year had me rolling my eyes.
Of course they had record profits....it's a monopoly for god sakes. No one in this province sells booze.
WalMart would have record profits too if they didn't have to compete with Dominion, Giant Tiger, Real Canadian Super Store, Target, Dollarama, No Frills, etc.
Sell the LCBO and all it's real estate to the private sector. Let the union have the right of first refusal if they wish to buy it. Allow stores like the ones I mentioned above to sell beer, wine and spirits. They would need to purchase a provincial liquor license to do so that's renewed every few years. The Beer Store would also lose it's monopoly on beer sales in Ontario.
Watch billions in tax revenue pour into the coffers of the Ontario government and the thousands of jobs that will be created.
Entrepreneurs are so much better at job creation than any premier no matter what political stripe.

June 18, 2013 @ 2:10 PM


@Ben - I'm NOT okay with any politician doing this. I'm positive you're correct - there will be a lot more of this coming out. As I said, the fact that this is currently allowed is unfortunate. I think it needs to change. When CEO's etc., are being paid to speak at conferences, they are essentially (directly or indirectly) providing marketing for the company they represent. There's an obvious benefit to the company. I don't want my MP promoting his party or platform or vision for Canada and being compensated for it beyond his/her already generous salary.

June 18, 2013 @ 2:25 PM

Ben Vidal

@Glen: Problem is that no political party will dismantle the LCBO it's too lucrative. One of the parties would have sold it by now if they thought it was worth more in the private sectors hands. Even Hudak won't touch liquor, he just wants buck a beer to be sold in convenience stores. I'm sorry I want to be on your side the proof isn't in the pudding to have it the way you indicated.
The numbers don't add up for the government putting this into the private sector to make more money. The money simply isn't there.

Why it should be done is that we would have to pay less for booze overall. The lcbo doesn't even negotiate for better costs often times they accept a higher cost, because they can. That pisses me off. That and the fact that they spend all the money having nice LCBO stores, because lets face it even if all the booze was sold in rat infested hovels they'd still as much booze.

June 18, 2013 @ 2:25 PM


@ Glen - Agree 100%.

@ Has a brain - No one here is saying JT should be thrown in jail or even fined. He followed the rules but the problem is that the rules and law need changing. I guess this has rarely been an issue in the past simply because the last rock star in politics was his crazy daddy.

June 18, 2013 @ 2:25 PM

Another Lurker

I have the video all of Toronto wants to see...

I have the controversial Humble Howard speech from Toronto Mike's wedding!

June 18, 2013 @ 2:29 PM

Ben vidal

@ Corey: You and I can both agree on the fact that no MP should be promoting a party or platform as a speaker. I don't agree with you on the point that someone shouldn't be going to talk about how great people can make their lives, or going to literacy for life to talk about bringing out the best in young people.

June 18, 2013 @ 2:32 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Another Lurker

Do you really have it or are you making a funny after listening to the new episode of Your Blog Sucks.

June 18, 2013 @ 2:32 PM


@Ben - oh, they should be able to talk about all those noble things. Just not for $20k a pop while on the taxpayers clock.

June 18, 2013 @ 3:13 PM


@Toronto Mike

There's no way @Another Lurker has the video. On the other page he says he wants to hear it.

June 18, 2013 @ 3:41 PM

Has a brain

This is a witchunt spearheaded buy Sun News and Ezra Levant. Mr. Levant lacks the capacity to understand the rules and that his beloved Conservatives may have done the same thing. Let the witch hunt begin.

June 18, 2013 @ 3:43 PM


In their 1983 film "Monty Python’s the Meaning of Life," the Pythons defined the meaning of life as "Try to be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try to live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations."

June 18, 2013 @ 3:51 PM

Ben Vidal


Now we know why the conservatives even brought this up as a problem. Seems like that puny charity that had the audacity to ask for the money back has ties to the conservatives. How convenient.

June 18, 2013 @ 4:25 PM


So the Somalia community is upset about the Police Raids.
How ungrateful is that?
You clean up their drug and gun infested hell hole, and then you hold a press conference to tell the world how bad they were treated by the Police.
Just unbelievable!!

June 18, 2013 @ 4:34 PM


@Ben -

Who cares how this came to light? I bet the majority of Canadian (like me) had no idea MPs were free to go around collecting fat fees while skipping out on their regular duties. I'd also wager that once aware of the situation, the majority of Canadians would favour curbing this. Don't tell taxpayers that the six-figure salary and gold-plated pension isn't enough, and that we should approve scheduling events that are only there to fatten the personal bottom line.

June 18, 2013 @ 5:04 PM


So you joined Good Life? Well, your choice, but would rather have a personal trainer than join a gym. Anyway, how about those Bruins. That was a great game. It didn't go into overtime which is wonderful. I changed my mind. I want it to end in five. I know I said I wanted hockey to last long, but I don't want another week of late games that start at 8:20 or later instead of 8:00 when the schedule says. Anyway, I think the Bruins can do it in five. One more win at home and then win in chicago on Saturday night. I think they can do it.

June 18, 2013 @ 5:17 PM



It's criminal that small independent makers of spirits, wine ,and beer have to beg the LCBO to get their products on store shelves. Their very business is predicated on whether the LCBO purchasing agent got laid the night before. That's too much power in the hands of one distributer and another reason why it should be privatized.

June 18, 2013 @ 6:35 PM

Ben Vidal

@ Glen: I completely agree with you. I never said I didn't. Just that no government will sell it off.

June 18, 2013 @ 6:58 PM

Great Lakes Brewery

That's where you're wrong Glen. It's not the LCBO it's the Beer Store with the outrageous stocking cost per package. The liquor store is much more open to new, independent product than the Beer Store. Please check your facts.

June 18, 2013 @ 8:53 PM


I don't care if it is allowed. It shouldn't be. It's another bullshit rule that our elected officials can cash in on. It's no wonder there are so many corrupt politicians.

And this isn't a left vs right issue. It's a good government issue.

And until this came out I was voting Liberal. Now I have to wait and see. It most certainly won't go NDP.

June 18, 2013 @ 8:54 PM

Ben Vidal

@ phil: I sometimes forget how good of a job harper has been doing. Then thankfully an article like this reminds me.

@ mcnulty: your implication that you were liberal until this. so if this occurs with all parties?

June 18, 2013 @ 9:13 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Glen: Been in Alberta for almost 2 weeks, and the liquor stores selection out here is pathetic compared to back home. $10 for 6 cans of Keystone lager. Most of the stores are like a convenience store, with limited selection. Only thing that is nice are the hours, open to 1AM. Ben is bang on, too much of a cash cow for the government to give up to the private sector.

June 18, 2013 @ 9:44 PM

Ben Vidal

7 in a row for the jays. Lets see them make it to 14

June 19, 2013 @ 9:02 AM


They're finally getting good pitching - from their minor leaguers.

June 19, 2013 @ 10:30 AM


So the Jays are getting really good. Hopefully the diamondbacks are doing better, but never mind. I don't listen to baseball, but like everything Arizona. I'll probably be playing some baseball tomorrow. Playing it is a lot more fun.

June 19, 2013 @ 11:14 AM

Mississauga Phill

@ Ben - You're a lot like Dave W was...I didn't ask you why you dont like Harper, I asked you what Trudeau has done to show he'd make a good PM. Please answer the question that was asked, not deflect...

June 19, 2013 @ 11:14 AM


@Toronto Mike

"amazing in the kitchen and the bedroom"

Fucking laughing my ass off here.

June 19, 2013 @ 11:28 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@ markosaar

Thank you. It was meant to be funny....

It wasn't explicit, it wasn't crude, it was cute and funny.

I'm glad my wife gets it... she loved my speech.

June 19, 2013 @ 11:31 AM


Haha. It's very funny. But I kind of agree with Humble & Fred there in the sense that parents "have a right not to know". I agree with you that it's silly to pretend it doesn't happen ... but I can't imagine many parents that would be okay with that.

I'd have to balance the humour/shock value vs. potentially offending in-laws. It would be a very tough decision for me.

June 19, 2013 @ 11:34 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


The moment I think my son or daughter is sexually active, I'm buying a dozen boxes of condoms and putting them all around the house. I'm a realist.

When a 31 year old lives with her 38 year old fiance there's only so much denial I can support.

I'm okay with what I wrote and said. I'd rate it PG.

June 19, 2013 @ 11:37 AM


You can also leave a good sex ed. book in their bookshelf. Worked on me.

June 19, 2013 @ 11:44 AM

Ben Vidal

@ Phil: I thought it was obvious. First being that before entering politics he actually held jobs. You know worked as part of the work force. Trudeau is the only one taking the lead to expose his own financials to the world and pushing for the rest of the liberals to as well. I would say the rebuilding of his party is going to be his biggest achievement. A thing he's not doing by getting in bed with a further extreme of a party in order to consolidate votes. As for campaign platform, usually that comes when there is a campaign for election going on so I'll wait to see on that one. He didn't need to get in bed with big business to raise money , when most of his donations came from the same people he wants to protect. The middle class. Reality is I'd take his experience running for prime minister in 2015 vs. where Harper was when he made his initial bid for prime minister.

Speaking of deflecting phil where is harper from again when you defended his comment about Calgary? You stated that's where he's from right? Are you sure?

June 19, 2013 @ 11:52 AM

Ben Vidal

HAHA Mike. You should also put out information booklets around the house for Birth control too for your daughter. Condoms and a pamphlet whereever they turn and in their lunch boxes as well. (Do people still use lunch boxes?)

Also get someone that they look up to that is more in line to their age to get them on the right track about that stuff. Someone that you can trust will relay the right message that is.

June 19, 2013 @ 11:55 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


I'll do both.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:06 PM


I think it's criminal how politicised basic sex ed. has become in public schools. It was still okayish when I was there, but it trailed off during my time. The public health nurses were no longer used by the time I reached grade 7. As an example, our homeroom teacher (female) and VP (male) taught us that men have two holes in the penis. One for urine, one for semen.

When my younger brother was in grade 4 or 5, our mother of all people volunteered to do it on behalf of the teacher who was too embarrassed. Poor brother.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:13 PM

Ben Vidal

That's the problem markosaar. They shouldn't be teaching sex ed. It should be abstinence programs. That's what god would want. I hear they are really successful down south

June 19, 2013 @ 12:23 PM



All the condoms in the world are not going to protect your kids from getting STDs or even pregnant. Condoms and other birth control methods do fail at times.

A better approach would be to communicate with your kids that their bodies are their own and to respect and protect it.

Teenage sex doesn't have to be inevitable.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:23 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@ Argie

Of course I'll suggest they wait until they're ready, but like I said, I'm a realist.

How many people reading this right now were screwing as a teenager despite what their parents told them?

Teens have sex. I'd like my teenage kids to use a condom every time they do it.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:29 PM



Maybe not inevitable for individuals, but as a group, history and stats do not seem to agree.

And no, condoms are not 100% effective, but they are extremely effective (high 90s "if used correctly" -- part of the point of sex ed), and more effective than no protection.

Obviously abstinence is "100% effective" but it doesn't seem to be realistic.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:32 PM

Ben Vidal

AWW Argie: I was waiting for your comment. HAHAHA. Thank you, that's my first laugh of the day. Teenage sex is the exact definition of inevitable.

Kudos to Mike for accepting it and not taking the ignorant approach that it is a sin and it's ok to have feeling but not to act on them.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:34 PM


I agree, I'm sure most of us were screwing when we were teenagers but a lot of that has to do with the fact our parents knew nothing about teenage sex nor did they want to discuss it with their kids.

I believe you, me and the other 30 and 40 something's out there are more equipped to communicate with our kids in this department.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:35 PM



You're just being ignorant. Why can't you debate like mark?

I seldom agree with him but at least he does it in a non-condescending way.

This has nothing do with "sin". Once a kid has sex (especially a girl), everything changes. The physical and emotional effects can be damaging. Nothing with a little bit of self=control.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:39 PM


Thanks Argie.

I don't know that a teenager is going to care what his/her parents tell him/her but one can try?

Also while I imagine what you say is true, I wouldn't for a moment pretend I could speak for women in that context. That would definitely be a job for her mother I think. Or a book if the mother or some other female to look up to isn't available.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:49 PM

Ben Vidal


I love that you speak on behalf of females. When you become a female then you can talk .

The fact of the matter is that you can't prevent sex in teenagers. You know the success rate of abstinence programs ? That students participating in them are more likely to have anal sex and oral as a result.You can only communicate taking the necessary measures to prevent yourself from an unwanted STD or pregnancy. While trying to guide them to making sure they are ready for it. Because the minute you tell a teen they can't do something or shouldn't be doing something, it often has the opposite effect.

June 19, 2013 @ 12:59 PM


I'm not speaking on behalf of females. I just see the damage caused to teens who aren't ready for sex.

When I say "communicate" I don't mean telling them "I forbid you to have sex". As a parent you try to reason with them - to point out the hazards of doing it at an early age. Today, more and more teenagers are going the abstinent route after seeing the shit their peers and older siblings have went through.

And again, this has nothing to do with religion.

Anyway, they're your kids so do whatever you want.

June 19, 2013 @ 2:20 PM



June 20, 2013 @ 9:52 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


All speeches were great. Mon and I were talking about the wedding last night and we agree it was perfect. It was cool, fun, we never ran out of booze, and all speeches made me smile.

Your speech was great!

June 20, 2013 @ 10:01 AM



Even better, Magder and Ruby LOSE!

June 20, 2013 @ 10:27 AM


Well, the game sucked last night. Bruins lost and it went into overtime. It was sloppy. It sucked. I don't get my wish. I wanted the last game to be on a Saturday, but now it won't be anymore. I said I want hockey all year round, but I want games that start at normal times like 7:00 and even if they start at 8:00, they start on time. Starting the regular season in August would be a good idea. Then only a month with no hockey. Anyway, go Bruins. By the way, my team lead at work is a Habs fan, but now is cheering for the Bruins. Thought I would bring that by you. I work here at home doing medical transcription and I communicate with my team lead by email. Go Bruins.

June 20, 2013 @ 4:56 PM



Wait a sec! In the other post, Monica seems to indicate Howard's speech shouldn't have been included, yet you say you both agree everything was perfect! Why the discrepancy? admit it, this is really your first "post-wedded bliss" sore spot!

June 20, 2013 @ 5:05 PM


Hey Cheryl,

I like hearing about the work you do - tell us more about it when you have a chance. How did you get into that line of work? What's good about it? Or, what parts could you do without? Have you been at it a good, long while or just getting started? Do you find it lonely working at home or does the work keep you so occupied that you don't notice the days passing quickly?


June 20, 2013 @ 9:41 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike


True, Monica wishes Howie didn't say a couple of things he said, but otherwise it was a perfect night and we know Howie meant well.

Five days into this marriage and there's nothin' but bliss!

June 20, 2013 @ 10:01 PM

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