Henry Morgentaler, Dead at 90

In MemoriumHenry Morgentaler was 90. He was the family doctor who led the abortion movement in Canada. He was one of the key players in the 1988 Supreme Court of Canada ruling that declared the law prohibiting abortion unconstitutional.


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Argie

I hope he dressed lightly.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:03 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Argie

Personally, I'm glad Henry Morgentaler had the courage to take a stand for women's rights in this country.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:06 PM

Argie

Mike,

It wasn't courage - it was pure greed. He saw a huge untapped market. He wasn't evil, just greedy.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:21 PM

markosaar

How on earth are abortion services more profitable than any other medicine?

May 29, 2013 @ 2:28 PM

Franco

@Argie Greed? Far from it. “Now in this country, women are not in danger when having an abortion. Women no longer die as a result of abortion. Women no longer get cut up or damaged as a result of abortion. Women no longer lose their fertility because of abortion.” Henry Morgentaler, RIP. Canada is a better place because of him.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:30 PM

Argie

mark,

This should be easy for you to understand: If you provide a new service (that was never offered before), this new service creates a huge revenue stream.

It certainly paid much more than doing regular medical check-ups.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:33 PM

Argie

Franco,

You're wrong - many women still die or are seriously harmed during abortions. Ever heard of Dr Gosnell in the US?

What's really bad, is that taxpayers are paying for this elected surgery.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:36 PM

Lyle Lanley

A true hero. RIP.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:42 PM

Gary

Oh no...not an abortion debate.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:43 PM

Torontonian

Thanks to Morgentaler, that debate's long over in this country.

And he was an atheist so he didn't believe in your hell, Argie.

May 29, 2013 @ 2:46 PM

Argie

Why is it every time someone has the city "toronto" within their screen name, I'm going to disagree with them?

May 29, 2013 @ 2:50 PM

Toronto Mark

Argie, I somehow doubt all the years he spent fighting for abortion and not actively performing medicine, were more profitable, even with fees higher than regular check-ups. There are many easier and more profitable specializations, with the added benefit of far less drama.

We get it, you don't like abortion. You don't have to make shit up.

Now excuse me, I think my uppity girlfriend is at work somewhere. I'm going to go take away her shoes and chain her to the kitchen.

May 29, 2013 @ 3:08 PM

Argie

That's right, Toronto Mark, give her the right to kill her unborn baby. That will her so much more happier.

May 29, 2013 @ 3:11 PM

Toronto Mark

Why do women opt to make that choice when they have it? (And obviously not all do.) What's wrong with letting them choose?

If you're so gung-ho on forcing them to pop out unwanted babies, are you willing to pay more tax to support them on welfare?

What if a woman has sex, accidentally gets pregnant, and the partner flees at the news? Who's going to pay for it?

May 29, 2013 @ 3:17 PM

Argie

Toornto mark,

Ever heard of adoption?

May 29, 2013 @ 3:19 PM

Toronto Mark

http://www.children.gov.on.ca/htdocs/English/infertility/report/foreverfamilies.aspx

In the child welfare system in 2007-08:

There were 18,668 children in the care of a CAS.
Of the children in care, approximately 50% (9,401) were Crown wards (meaning that a CAS has become the “legal parent” of the child).
Only 9% (822) of the 9,401 Crown wards were adopted.

May 29, 2013 @ 3:31 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - Again, who are you to tell someone else what to do with their body? Abortion is a personal choice, and is going to happen. I'd prefer it was done in a safe, clean medical facility by a trained doctor, then in some slum with a coathanger....

May 29, 2013 @ 3:36 PM

Argie

Unfortunately most of those kids are not babies - meaning most prospective parents don't want them.

And yet we have so many North Americans flying to China, Russia, wherever to pay thousands for a baby.

May 29, 2013 @ 3:39 PM

Argie

"then in some slum with a coathanger...."

Seriously, Phil?

May 29, 2013 @ 3:40 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Argie - How do you think abortions were done before they were legal? Do you think doctors were risking their practices?? Nope, they were done by phonies with whatever tools were available....Mothers often didn't survive, and if they did they had lasting damage done to their bodies...

And I notice you didn't answer on what gives you the right to dictate to others. Unless you want to adopt all these children, please STFU...

May 29, 2013 @ 3:43 PM

Argie

phil,

Clearly this is debate is far too deep for you. No point in arguing with you. Go back to your bong.

May 29, 2013 @ 3:54 PM

Liz

@ Argie All this and it ain't even Christmas!

Circular arguments aggravate the hell out of me.

Hey, I thought you agreed to play a little nicer with others? @Mississauga Phil is making some pretty good sense here - and I'd venture to say it's without bong assistance.

@Toronto Mark is also right on the money (I laughed at 'take her shoes and chain her to the kitchen').

@Elba - Without knowing Toronto Mark personally, I'm certain he's joking - you know, jokey jokes. He's not on his way to The Depot for chains and such.

Argie, the ONLY thing you have correct here is that so many NA's are paying thousands for foreign babies. Many reasons, good and bad, for that.


May 29, 2013 @ 4:18 PM

Gump

I believe he was a uniquely Canadian hero when the Supreme Court of Canada validated his belief :

“The right to liberty contained in (Section 7 of the Charter of Rights) guarantees to every individual a degree of personal autonomy over important decisions intimately affecting his or her private life,” Madam Justice Bertha Wilson wrote.

And on topic :

LINK

I personally know 3 women who have had abortions. And although they all have various levels of regret, they are ultimately glad they had the option and went through with it.

May 29, 2013 @ 4:19 PM

Derrick

I generally disagree with Argie, but he did ask a question many are ignoring: Why are abortions covered under public health care? When did being pregnant become a disease or disability similar to cancer or aids?

I suppose the answer is, if healthcare won't cover abortions, then they shouldn't cover births either.

May 29, 2013 @ 4:33 PM

Corey

@Liz -

Wait a second - Phil ended his last comment with,"Unless you want to adopt all these children, please STFU...". That's hardly "playing nice". That's being rude, dismissive and intolerant. Phil gets away with a lot more than it seems around here - I fully expect after the next few exchanges, he'll accuse Argie of bringing things to a new low, even though he actually started the descent into name calling.

May 29, 2013 @ 4:46 PM

519 Rob

I generally stay out of these debates, but I have to agree with Argie on 2 things.

-"And yet we have so many North Americans flying to China, Russia, wherever to pay thousands for a baby".

and

-"He saw a huge untapped market. He wasn't evil, just greedy".

I wont speak to Morgentalers motives - i just dont know what they were - but I will agree with Argie from a finacial stand point. I am sure Morgantaler made out well when abortions became legal.

Having said all that, I do think that abortions are a logical progression in treating the human race right. It is the womans (and mans) choice.

May 29, 2013 @ 4:48 PM

Rob

In regards to adoptions (know people who have adopted), when you want a child you take any route that opens up. In case of people I know, adoption opportunities opened up overseas (while they were waiting to adopt within the country for years) and they didn't want to miss an opportunity.

May 29, 2013 @ 6:21 PM

andrew

These comments are getting sickening.

My thoughts - Abortion is NOT a form of contraception & "mistakes" do happen, but you live by the sword & die by the sword.

May 29, 2013 @ 6:43 PM

markosaar

I never saw Elba's comment, but yes, it was a jokey-joke.

@Derrick as for why are abortions covered? Because there are a lot of terrible consequences when it's not:

-"discount abortions"
-babies carried to term and abandoned
-children that can't speak to their parents about it making awful decisions (and obviously can't afford it)

May 29, 2013 @ 6:44 PM

Mississauga Phill

@ Corey - nope, not saying anything of the sort.

May 29, 2013 @ 9:02 PM

40oz krew

So Argie, outside of whine on this site, exactly what do you do to help women who simply lack the capacity to raise their children?

You see mto live in this twisted fantasy world where you assume everyone had opportunity growing up & where everyone is equipped to raise a child. Typical bullshit from some suburban armchair quarterback on how to make the world a better place. Tell you what Argie, why don't volunteer 10 hours of your time in the 'hood helping struggling single Mom's unable to give their kids a decent upbringing.

You're always against abortion but I never see you champion the right to a woman to receive child support. Please bitch, get a clue.

Would you prefer the child becomes a ward of the "state"? Or would you prefer the Mom can't cope, finds drugs and abandons the kid? Or would you prefer the kid gets shuffled around only to end up being in some kiddie porn snuff film on the darknet viewed by pedophiles? Guess what Argie, there is lots of it out there

You're just another typical middle aged man who has all the answers but is never part of the solution.

May 29, 2013 @ 10:18 PM

Corey

@ Phil - not yet. You were the first to "raise the ante" so to speak, with your "STFU" comment (or should I say lower the level of discourse?). When Argie responds in kind by calling you an idiot, you'll whine.

May 30, 2013 @ 6:57 AM

MIssissauga Phil

@ COrey - Please give me an example of when I've "Whined". People say stupid crap and I respond in kind, or I say stupid crap and they respond in kind, however, I do no "whine".

A may occasionally break into a verse of the stonecutters when someone spouts an insane conspiracy theory....

May 30, 2013 @ 8:25 AM

Elba

@Liz, @Toronto Mark, any negative comments about abuse is just not appropriate - in my opinion. This thread is about the death of Morgentaler - perhaps this commentary should move to the next Open Mike.

May 30, 2013 @ 8:42 AM

markosaar

It was a sarcastic retort aimed at Argie, and appropriate to this thread because Morgentaler was a champion of women's health and rights. I'm not apologising, but of course you have a right to your opinion.

May 30, 2013 @ 12:30 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@markosaar

I'll allow it.

May 30, 2013 @ 12:39 PM

Liz

Hey @Elba - seriously? You need to learn what context is all about.

I'm with the mighty @Markosaar on this one. Every syllable.

Bet you're a super uptight soccer mom who runs around trying to be "the boss of everybody." And, I'll bet political correctness fuels your "judgie" attitude. Willing to bet too that in your world almost everything is inappropriate.

Here's your, "I am fun sucker" t-shirt.

May 30, 2013 @ 1:57 PM

Liz

Oops! Messed up the t-shirt - sorry. It should read, "I'm A Fun Sucker."

Typing too quickly - back to work!

May 30, 2013 @ 2:00 PM

Tron

For me it's pretty simple, a woman has a right to do with her body as she feels. It's her right, i just can't even begin to think how any man (and it's mostly men who seems to scream out most against it) can feel the nerve to tell a woman to make a decision about their body. Woman are not men cattle that you can demand what they do.

May 30, 2013 @ 6:04 PM

Elba

@Liz I read my proposed t-shirt as "I'm a fu@@ sucker". Oops! I do, however, appreciate your use of capital letters in your secondary post. You're correct in that I didn't get understand the context - my bad. Actually, soccer doesn't interest me; I'm a hockey mom of three boys and proud of it.

May 30, 2013 @ 6:22 PM

Argie

Welcome back Irv, I mean 40oz krew.

May 30, 2013 @ 9:28 PM

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