Issues faced by Boys and Men

The Phenomenon of Sneaker CultureMy buddy Tim Legere has written this guest blog entry he calls "Issues faced by Boys and Men". The following words belong to him.

On Thursday April 4th, I attended a seminar at the University of Toronto titled "From Misogyny & Misandry to Intersexual Dialogue".

It was described as:

A conversation exploring the effects on both men and women of our current approach to gender and how we might foster a genuinely intersexual – and intersectional – dialogue that is both broad and deep, while incorporating all aspects of personal and social identity

The main presenters were:

Dr. Katherine Young and Dr. Paul Nathanson, authors of the books “Spreading Misandry” and “Legalizing Misandry”.

Organizers of the event were:

Who am I? Why did I go?

I’m a 50 year old separated Dad of two kids. During the last eight years I have become aware of serious issues that face Boys and Men and require society’s understanding and action. I went to this seminar to understand how these challenges might be solved and perhaps help to make the world a better place for my children.

What are some of the problems of Boys and Men?

  • Fathers receive shared custody of their children less than 10% of the time
  • 71% of all High School Dropouts are from Fatherless Homes
  • Only 42% of Bachelor Degrees are earned by Men
  • 85% of all Children that exhibit Behavioral Disorders come from Fatherless Homes
  • 30% of those named as Fathers who test for Paternity find they are not the Biological Father
  • 40% of Domestic Violence Victims are Men
  • Government funding for Prostate Cancer is 60% less than the amount for Breast Cancer despite Diagnosis Rates being Identical
  • 80% of all Suicides are Men
  • 94% of Industrial Deaths and Accidents happen to Men
  • 97% of Combat Deaths since the 1st Gulf War have been Men

The links to the source of the above statistics can be found on the following website: http://www.avoiceformen.com/activism/about/

Aren’t Men Privileged and the Beneficiaries of the Patriarchy?

MHRA’s contend that much of Feminist Theory is incorrect. Simply holding an opposing viewpoint to Feminism does NOT make MHRA’s anti-women or misogynists. MHRA’s outline some of their beliefs here (as composed by Dean Esmay).

It should be quickly apparent that this topic is NOT something that can be compressed into a sound bite or a 1-2 minute video. It requires significant reflection to understand ALL sides of the arguments before forming a thoughtful opinion.

What happened at this Seminar?

Doctor Young and Nathanson were prepared to discuss both Misogyny and Misandry and propose how different groups (e.g. Feminists and Men’s Human Rights Advocates or MHRA’s) might come together and discuss how they could “tackle” problems.

Unfortunately, staunchly Feminist groups disrupted the seminar by protesting loudly outside the auditorium, presumably setting off a fire alarm (which caused a delay, required a costly response from the fire department and potentially endangered others with a real emergency) and taunting MHRA’s with various shaming and derogatory chants and posters.

Personally, I was very disappointed that the protestors did not attend the seminar, pose questions and generally engage MHRA’s in a more reasonable manner. During the break I watched as several MHRA’s attempted to discuss issues with the protestors. It is my opinion that the MHRA’s were respectful, posed thoughtful questions to protestors and then backed up their positions with studies and statistics. When a Protestor could not answer a MHRA’s question they tended to respond emotionally, attack the MHRA (instead of debating the issue) and then change to another topic.

It seems that any attempt to meet and discuss perceived issues facing Boys and Men are viewed by Feminist Groups as being Misogynistic and therefore these events must be protested. My question to them is what happened to the rights of “Freedom of Speech” and “Opposing Viewpoints”?

The following are a few videos taken during this Seminar.

Feminism versus Freedom of Speech (NSFW)

What Needs to Happen Next?

Professor Young and Nathanson discussed a number of things to assist with an “Intersexual Dialogue”. The following are four items that I recorded and I hope match their suggestions.

  1. People expect to be listened to. Listen carefully
  2. Employ a Non-Hostile Etiquette
  3. Discuss the Future (not the past or who is more of a victim, etc,)
  4. Be Empathetic

I thought this was pretty good advice.

Have there been other Seminars and Lectures with similar Results?

Yes. The following were both delivered on the University of Toronto campus.

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Argie

Mike,

Kudos for sharing this. I saw a bit of the story on Sun News the other day. The protesters were shameful. As usual it was the left doing their best to stifle any dissenting opinion. They like to use the buzzwords like "hate speech" or "misogyny" whenever they disagree with anything.

April 10, 2013 @ 9:26 AM

Tim Legere

What is an MHRA? A Men's Human Rights Advocate.

April 10, 2013 @ 9:30 AM

Oscar

I think they need to exercise more and eat better and maybe they wouldn't have such hate.

Ghandi never acted like this.

April 10, 2013 @ 9:52 AM

Oscar

whoops.. I meant Gandhi

April 10, 2013 @ 9:57 AM

Anonymous

Totally unhelpful ad hominem comment there Oscar, exactly what men don't need to be doing on this.

Here's my "favorite" example of this issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIfwdAxOXjU

If the genders were reversed in this commercial it would have never made it past the pitch meeting, much less on the air.

April 10, 2013 @ 10:17 AM

Ajax Mike

Oops, that Anonymous comment was from me.

Also, now that I've watched the video... the presenter there is not doing himself any favors stooping to the protester's level with the profanity and equally alarmist rhetoric.

April 10, 2013 @ 10:26 AM

Ben Vidal

@Argie: I can tell you one thing, I would say on a number of issues I lean more to the left than I do to the right. That said none of the people protesting, and none of those appalling excuses for women represent any of my views or any of the views of any friends that have a similar social/political leaning as myself. I also think you'd be hard pressed to find many people with a left leaning view, condone or agree with what the group of militant women were saying. I agree with the guy in the video, that woman with the red hair made me want to puke. Whichever of the twits that used the word fascist outside and laughed is a moron. I liken it to when a young child uses the word fart and laughs and all the other kids laugh and start chanting fart. Because that's pretty much what happened in the video with facist.

Ajax Mike: What was alarmist about the rhetoric. I think the way in which he used the profanity, brought some humor to what was otherwise a despicable display of a few. He didn't stoop to their level, they were just angry and vile people and he called them out on what they showed themselves to be. But once again I don't see the alarmist rhetoric, frustration perhaps, but not alarmist.

April 10, 2013 @ 11:04 AM

Ryan G

I read the headline of this as "Issues faced by Boys II Men" so i promptly ignored it.

April 10, 2013 @ 11:39 AM

Argie

Ryan,

Weren't they awful?

April 10, 2013 @ 11:46 AM

Wayner

@Ryan G

still laughing at that one

April 10, 2013 @ 12:08 PM

Ajax Mike

@Ben Vidal

Talking about female supremacy, and using the C**t word puts him in just a bad light as the misguided protesters, in my opinion.

April 10, 2013 @ 12:12 PM

Oscar

Ajax Mike - I hope my comment didn't come across as though I was poking at anyone's weight.

My point was that everyone (the presenter and the woman protesting) seem so angry and full of hate. Perhaps it would do them good to look at Gandhi as an example of protesting and making a point while maintaining a calm soul.

April 10, 2013 @ 2:05 PM

Patrick

I thought it was about the band too.

After reading, not looking at links or other sources, man up. It isn't the men that care that need help.

April 10, 2013 @ 6:54 PM

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