Making a Big Deal Out Of Things We Shouldn't Be Making a Big Deal Out Of

clink on gay marriagePresident Barack Obama has endorsed the right of same-sex couples to marry. I was happy to hear it, it's the right thing, but it's time we stop making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a deal out of.

I borrow that sentiment from Clint Eastwood, who says it better than I ever could.

clint

Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want...


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andrew

It's too bad Clint didn't show up when the vote was taken yesterday in North Carolina.

"GO AHEAD, MAKE MY DAY".

Let people live their live how they want, regardless of sex, religion & Rock & Roll. Life is too short.

May 9, 2012 @ 7:11 PM

Mookie

Clint is just the coolest...

May 9, 2012 @ 7:40 PM

elvis

It is a big deal because he is someone who tries to tell us he is a progressive President for change etc... yet has been on the wrong side of the debate and history until today. Clint is a 80+ year old Republican who got it before Obama. At least Obama doesn't wear magic underwear like the other guy.

May 9, 2012 @ 9:20 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@elvis

It's better someone who was wrong reverses his path and becomes right than stays right for consistent messaging.

In other words, I agree he was on the wrong side of the debate for far too long, but now he's on the right side. Better late than never.

May 9, 2012 @ 9:25 PM

Blind Dave

Oh, I agree with the bit about giving people the life they want. After all, there are far too many unhappy people in the world, and it often feels like there's far too little happiness to go round.

I couldn't care less who someone is married to or sleeping with, providing they are consenting adults etc.

But with that said, here we go with the BIG DEAL bit -- Gay Pride Day, LGBT History Month, Black History Month, Garden Meditation Day, Nylon Stockings Day...

Oh wait, that last one sounds ok. :)

So what is being suggested here? We shouldn't make a big deal out of it when it's negative, but it's ok to make a big deal out of it when it's positive? C'mon now, you're never going to have one without the other.

Maybe I'll start a white, straight, married, middle-aged, kinda dumpy looking male day. And we can all have a PARADE, and I'll wear my purple speedo so I can be recognized for who I am and then I can feel so much better about myself until some meanie comes along and says something politically incorrect that crushes my feelings.

Enough already, live and let live, but shut the hell up about it too, please.

May 9, 2012 @ 10:18 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Blind Dave

You must be part of a once-oppressed group to have a day or parade or month or whatever.

You could probably get away with a Blind Parade, but the white, straight, married, middle-aged, kinda dumpy looking male day ain't happening.

White, straight, married, middle-aged, kinda dumpy looking males have never been oppressed.

May 9, 2012 @ 10:20 PM

wsm

I'm pretty sure every day is white straight male day. I say that as a white straight male.

A blind parade would be interesting, though. Certain logistical challenges there.

May 9, 2012 @ 11:14 PM

Blind Dave

True. The only oppression I've had in my life, if you can call it that, was to be singled out and teased mercilessly in school because I was "different". Unfortunately, these days bullying is an epidemic. I wouldn't want to be a kid again. Never.

So while I admit I have never been oppressed, though I am perhaps somewhat part of a minority, I still don't see the point in blowing one's horn to get approval. I went through my poor, poor pitiful me stage as a young man, and went through depression long before it was ever accepted, understood, or properly diagnosed. Flagrant public viewing wasn't going to make it better. But an understanding from within oneself leads to an understanding within others. Quiet knowledge, perhaps?

May 9, 2012 @ 11:17 PM

Blind Dave

@wsm

Yeah, look out for the storefront windows!!!!!!!

May 9, 2012 @ 11:18 PM

Grumpy Penguin

"It's better someone who was wrong reverses his path and becomes right than stays right for consistent messaging."

Perfectly put.

May 9, 2012 @ 11:39 PM

Rob

We live in a great time where we can celebrate our difference and connect with similar minded people through the internet. That is all Black History Month/Gay Pride is for. It is a means for people to embrace different cultures and types of life styles. It is only a big deal because people make it one. I am a "comic nerd" guess what, I would say Comic-Con gets more attention than Black History Month Events/Pride Days. Toronto/Sundance film festivals, Coachella/ South by Southwest, Montreal Comedy Festival, Jazz Festivals, St. Patrick's Days and Columbus day. Just to name a few major festivals that are as big as Pride/Black History Month that no one cries about.
What's the difference? All these events do is embrace the differences between to help people be proud of themselves or their interests. The "big deal" comes from negative perceptions from those that are afraid of those differences.

May 10, 2012 @ 8:01 AM

Rob

The timing of Obama's announcement is what intrigues me the most. I would had expected this after he wins a second term. Doing it before an election shows his confidence that the Republicans have no chance in the upcoming election.
Regardless, it is about time.
Next step is to legalize marijuana.

May 10, 2012 @ 8:04 AM

Mississauga Phil

Amen Clint...amen

Oh and Rob too...lealize it already!!!

May 10, 2012 @ 8:16 AM

Nigel Trousershrapnel

@ Toronto Mike.
Your inability to recognize the plight of Blind Dave and his ilk (straight, married etc.) as oppressed, is in of itself oppressive! When will the discrimation against this much maligned group end. As for the parade, well unless we can get Rob Ford to attend to provide the validation we so desparately need,.....why bother.

May 10, 2012 @ 8:49 AM

Dave Williams

The only way we should leagalize marijuana should be if the users agree to pay their own healthcare costs. The government has enough of an issue trying to curtail healthcare costs. Adding this will add additional health issues that we the public cannot afford.

May 10, 2012 @ 8:50 AM

519Rob

Good on Obama for doing the right thing (eventually).

As far as Clint goes, is he not THE man in Hollywood? Is there any legend bigger than him? Besides, he's 80-something and still a mean looking SOB. If Clint told me to drop and give him 100 push ups, damn it, I'd do what I was told.

May 10, 2012 @ 8:51 AM

Rob

@Dave

I don't smoke marijuana but there is limited evidence suggesting it has any negative impact. As someone who grew up against the substance I was changed when looking at the research.

If significant health concerns are proven through marijuana usage than similar taxes to smoking would be necessary. That being said, at this point in time junk food/pasta/white bread do much more proven damage than marijuana. Should we create a junk food tax to pay for obesity related diseases?

May 10, 2012 @ 9:06 AM

Zach

@Mike

"White, straight, married, middle-aged, kinda dumpy looking males have never been oppressed."

Except the Irish, right?

May 10, 2012 @ 9:07 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Zach

That's why we celebrate St. Patrick's Day with such gusto.

May 10, 2012 @ 9:08 AM

Dave Williams

@Rob even though there have not been enough studies on the negativity of marijuana, sever facts have surfaced.


•Many of the carcinogens and co-carcinogens present in tobacco smoke are also present in smoke from marijuana.


•Marijuana smoking does cause inflammation and cell damage, and it has been associated with pre-cancerous changes in lung tissue.


•Marijuana has been shown to cause immune system dysfunction, possibly predisposing individuals to cancer.

Bottom line: Though marijuana most likely pales in cancer risk when compared to cigarette smoking, it's better to play it safe. There are reasons in addition to lung cancer risk (and the fact that it is illegal) to avoid marijuana. Marijuana likely increases the risk of testicular cancer, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, a type of brain tumor, and the risk of leukemia in the offspring of women who use it during pregnancy.
Are these issues that our already stressed healthcare system can afford? Do you even realize without adding this concern the cost of the Ontario budget is projected to be 75% of government spending by 2025? If raising the price of junk food costs through taxing assists in eliminating obesity, I say tax it.

May 10, 2012 @ 9:49 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Dave WIlliams - In that case better get all people who drink and/or smoke to start paying for their own helathcare, cause those two vices cost us more in healthcare that pot ever could...

May 10, 2012 @ 10:17 AM

Rob

@Dave

I've read that website before and know about similar studies(that website links to books). The key point in this studies is one: none of them can verify that marijuana causes cancer because of limited scale the study was conducted on.

That being said, those studies are based around smoke from marijuana. Not the actual THC which is the hallucinogenic property of the plant. It is important to note that there are multiple methods to ingesting marijuana that avoid the carcinogens that are linked to cancer in cigarettes (such as using the plant as an ingredient through baked goods).

Therefore, even if those studies prove to be accurate and marijuana is linked to cancer we must take into account the following as well.

1) Marijuana is used with much less frequency than cigarettes.
2) Marijuana has multiple medical uses that would reduce costs to the government given that it is much cheaper alternative to regularly prescribed drugs it is replacing.

3) It is the burning process that is dangerous not the actual plant. Eating marijuana and using vaporizers bypass those toxins.

May 10, 2012 @ 12:19 PM

Dave Williams

@Mississauga Phil, the government has provided several free clinics over the years to quit smoking, if they provided the tools to quit and people still chose to smoke, they should be responsible for their own healthcare, as far as drinking goes, the government has not sttempted to assist anyone from abstaining from drinking, so until they do so I say fight one fight at a time. If anyone thinks pot should be legal, they clearly have not read any facts on this destructive drug.

May 10, 2012 @ 12:25 PM

Anonymous

@Dave

"anyone thinks pot should be legal, they clearly have not read any facts on this destructive drug"

Those "fact" you posted from about.ca are in reference to the smoke, not the actual plant. Read my above post, even under the information you posted marijuana remains a safe subtance depending on the ingestion method.

May 10, 2012 @ 1:53 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Dave- Here's a couple of facts for you-

Hemp can be used as a cheaper, easily renewable source for: Clothes, Paper, rope, building materieals, just to name a few.

Moreover, Alcohol does more damage to the human body than THC (even when smoked).

The ONLY reason pot is illeagal is that J. Edgar Hoover and his co-horts ran a smear campaign against it to protect their lumber and grain investments back in the 50's. If pot is so horrible for you why is it prescribed by doctors in virtually every 1st world country??

May 10, 2012 @ 2:56 PM

Dave Williams

If they wanted to change the injestion method to a pill form, I would be in totall agreement, but the smoke is the hazzard. Mississauga, hemp is not marijuana, as well if you trust every doctor, give your head a shake. As well alcohol in moderate use actually is good for the human body, smoked marijuna has more issues than chemical induced cigarettes. This drug should never be legalized, it is a proven gateway drug to other drugs.

May 10, 2012 @ 5:20 PM

Rob

@Dave

Some of the statements your bringing up has me scratching my head.


"As well alcohol in moderate use actually is good for the human body"

Wouldn't the same rules apply to marijuana?


"smoked marijuna has more issues than chemical induced cigarettes."

Where did you get this information from? Every study suggests marijuana is not nearly as harmful as cigarettes. Even the ones you got your information from.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/307/2/173.short

http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21


This drug should never be legalized, it is a proven gateway drug to other drugs.

"This drug should never be legalized, it is a proven gateway drug to other drugs."

Really? Hope your "trolling". :)

May 10, 2012 @ 7:05 PM

Rick C in Oakville

15 years ago I was resistant to the Gay marriage legalisation etc., but having met a gay married couple a few years ago (a co worker of my wife) and getting to know them, I'm glad I'm living Mikes credo of change. I am glad Canadians aren't as caught up in the Christian right power that is evident in the USA. Not trying to be smug or anything, it is just a good feeling knowing we are as accepting as we are.

As for Clint, he is the man!, considering I was a big fan of his "Every Way but loose" tough guy movies in the early 80's, you couldn't ask for a better front man to look up to on this issue.

May 10, 2012 @ 8:57 PM

Irvine

@Dave Williams

For starters Dave, you might want to learn proper spelling. It might help your pathetic arugment.

There are no deaths solely attributed to the use of cannabis. There are 10s of thousands attributed to cigarettes. There are thousands attributed to the use of alcohol. You cannot OD on cannabis either.

The sole reason weed is illegal is because it is in direct competition with "big Pharma". That's why the medical field is using weed for cancer patients, those with fybro, etc. Hard to sell 20 dollar pills when you can grow weed for next to nothing.

Finally your comment on it being a gateway drug is absolute bullshit. I am a volunteer street outreach worker & mentor for recovering addicts. I have met 100's of addicts & mentored dozens of them. I know enough about substance abuse that I can talk to a guy and by the smell of his breath tell you what he's been consuming.

There are no gateway drugs. There are only gateway lifestyles. 100% of the addicts I've talked to had some form of trauma in their life (often multiple forms). To escape that trauma, they found drugs because drugs were the escape. Are you so thick to believe that a teen girl who was molested by her Dad, ran away, was found by a popcorn pimp found her way to crack addiction because she smoked a joint? If there were gateway drugs then ALL people that consumed beer would graduate to hard liquor, then ostensibly become tweakers trying to pick out the crank bugs from under their skin.

The only dark side to cannabis is the proliferation of grow ops and the gang violence. But this ONLY happens because the drug is illegal. It parallels what happened during prohibition. When prohibition ended, so did the gangland side of alcohol. Exactly the same would happen if cannabis was legal. In fact, weed dealers will tell you they LIKE that weed is illegal. The harder it is to get, the higher the profits. It doesn't cost them any more to grow it.

As for your healthcare statement, oh really? Let's review your diet and see how healthy it is. Poor diet causes cardiovascular disease which kills more Canadians prematurely than anything else. Should we yank your health care because of your bad diet?

Go get an education and start by learning to spell.

May 10, 2012 @ 10:03 PM

Dave Williams

@Irvine "For starters Dave, you might want to learn proper spelling. It might help your pathetic arugment."
I did not realize that argument was spelled "arugment". Before you start trying to analyze my statements based on my position, try to understand one thing, the DRUG is still illegal. It is a banned substance. Comparing marijuana to prohibition is a joke. That is just a way of people like you trying to justify the use of a banned narcotic. Look in the mirror and you will see a person that is still viewed as a social reject. On April 20 of every year do you not think that those losers that smoke pot in the local parks are looked on as heros? It is banned for a reason, before you start questioning a persons education it wouldn't hurt to aquire one yourself.

May 11, 2012 @ 8:17 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Dave - "...Is a gateway drug"...you're reading right out of J. Edgar's handbook. I have been smoking pot in moderation for over 10 years and have never felt the temptation to try something harder...never! You sound like an after school special from the 60's. There is no such thing as a gateway drug. I know people who have used actual DRUGS, (cocaine,heroine, meth, ect.) one of my best friends kicked a 5 year coke habbit, he never someked a joint, not once. Moreover, most chemical drugs are "uppers" while pot is a "downer" so the sensations would be totally different.

So please Dave, explain youself as opposed to recycling cliche's from the 60's

May 11, 2012 @ 8:29 AM

Dave Williams

@Mississauga Phil; I am sure your children must be proud. I have however had friends that started with pot and it had led to other things and for a few death. I also must point out that J. Edgar was American, this is Canada, you sir are committing a crime by possessing this drug. For the most of society that attempts to follow the laws of the land. Because you are a 10 year self proclaimed burn out, the fact is it is still not legal in Canada.

May 11, 2012 @ 9:26 AM

Irvine

@Dave Williams

A few things

- it's clear my spelling error was a keyboard typing error. YOUR multiple spelling errors are grammatical. InJestion? It's ingestion.

- Weed is a banned substance. No Dave, it's a decriminalized substance. Surely someone like yourself as well versed in the subject would understand that.

- Your assumption I use weed. Wrong. I am not a weed smoker & generally never have been. My only vice is a couple of cups of coffee & the odd bottle of BC brewed beer. On occasion I'll have a shot of whiskey or wine.

My education: I speek goodly. In lief I learn speek goodly 4 langoowages. I take youniversity too. And computer sirtificashun.

The only social reject Dave is you. Your "knowledge" on cannabis is not based in science; it's based on yellow journalism from the past. Cannabis was originally banned in the USA because the government claimed it made people into "madmen". Witness the movie "Reefer Madness". Later, the government changed it's tune saying that cannabis was illegal because it turned people into pacifists. Pacifists could be easily manipulated by the "commies" and would not fight for America. And remember the study that said weed killed brain cells? A bunch of monkeys were given huge quantities of pot smoke. What was NOT included in that pot smoke was oxygen. That's what killed the brain cells. Hold your breath Dave and see what happens (or maybe you have).

Cannabis is a natural weed Dave. What's not natural is 70 year old men with 3 hour hard ons having taking Viagra. Or drugs whose side effects are as nasty as the disease they're meant to cure.

#getabrain

May 11, 2012 @ 9:40 AM

Mississauga Phil

@ Dave - Actually yes, my son is very proud of me. I am his best friend, and hero, as he tells me on a daily basis.

I am most certainly not a burn out, I work 2 jobs so that my wife can focus on finishing the college program that was interupted by the birth of our son. I don't smoke weed at all hours of the day, there are no posters ofr Bob Marley or Che Guerra on my wall. I smoke a j when my day is over (dinner cooked, son bathed and in bed). If you are half the man I am then you're off to a good start.

This is not ego speaking, it is a fact. The entire focus of my life is providing for my family, so if I prefer to unwind with a joint instead pounding back 3-4 drinks, who are you to judge or look down on me.

You seem to operate completly off of steriotypes. You might want to re-think your pre-conceptions.

May 11, 2012 @ 9:47 AM

Mississauga Phil

Oh, and to quote the great Ben Harper

"My choice is what I choose to do, and if I'm causing no harm it shouldn't bother you. You're choice is who you choose to be and if you're causing no harm then you're alright with me."

How about a bit more love and a bit less judgment.

May 11, 2012 @ 9:52 AM

Dave Williams

@Irvine, our forefathers must have been the most dense people on the planet. It seems that you want to be selective in what science has done to protect the human race. I will bet that you would be the one to reject the polio shot if it was new today. Irvine I honestly feel sorry for you. I am sure you are looked at in a high light with your limited group of friends.
@Mississauga, I am sure your opinion may change when you have to explain why to your chilren why dad has been arrested for drug possession. If this is what you consider to be a good role model, you my friend need some serios help. As well, if you were half the man that I am, you would be twice the man that you are.

May 11, 2012 @ 10:02 AM

Mississauga Phil

So basically Dave is a judgemntal prick who enjoys speaking out of an oriface that is usually reserved for waste disposal.

Gotcha, no room for an intelligent debate here, he's right we're wrong. Because I smoke a bit of weed I'm automatically a burnout that will surely end up in jail.

I'm honestly done with you Dave. Irvine and I have often disagreed on theis blog, but at least he'll debate facts with you not just plug his ears and say "no no no you're wrong" YOu have brought no facts to this debate, just your own slanted views.

May 11, 2012 @ 10:23 AM

Dave Williams

Mississauga Phil, the facts are that the drug is an illegal substance. Possessing it is punishable by the criminal courts in Canada. If you get arrested, you will have a criminal record, you will have issues travelling outside of Canada. You have not presented an appealing case for the positive merits of this drug. I will hate to be you when you have to explain to your kids why they should'nt use drugs, when you clearly do. Children cannot make the differences between drugs. To them a drug is a drug. You will have a tough time disputing any of the points I just made. Good luck too you, you will need it.

May 11, 2012 @ 10:37 AM

Dave Williams


Marijuana Side Effects

Marijuana side effects come from smoking or consuming the drug and marijuana side effects influence the mind and body of the user. Marijuana side effects can be as seemingly innocent as an increased appetite to as life threatening as lung cancer. Increased likelihood for accidents is also one of the marijuana side effects. Studies show that 6 to 11 percent of fatal accidents are contributed to by marijuana side effects. Other external marijuana side effects include legal problems, work and financial problems and troubles at home.

Marijuana is most often smoked but can be eaten or steeped in tea to drink. Most over-doses occur actually when the drug is eaten because it is easier to consume a large dose all at once. Marijuana side effects from an overdose include toxic psychosis including hallucinations, delusions and a loss of self-identification. When smoked, marijuana is rolled up into a cigarette called a joint or smoked in a pipe or water pipe called a bong. Marijuana has many street names like pot, hash, chronic and there are many paraphernalia available to smoke it.

Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities. Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to.

Marijuana addiction is a progressive disease and marijuana side effects include withdrawal and obsessive thought with the drug when it is not made available. Addiction is identified as a compulsive, uncontrollable craving for the drug even with pending negative consequences. Often users will attempt to stop smoking marijuana for an important event such as a job interview or court hearing and find themselves using very close or just before the event. This act goes beyond a flexing of willpower. This describes being enveloped by a disease that has taken control and needs to be treated.


May 11, 2012 @ 10:39 AM

Irvine

@Dave Williams

Speaking of poor grammar & the inability to spell.......

As for your long winded diatribe on weed, it's not original. Where's the original Dave? On a website called marijuana-addiction.net. And who owns that site Dave? A privately run for profit detox centre. Wow, that's pretty credible. Let me guess, you believed the cigarette companies when they produced "science" to tell you that smoking did not cause cancer.

Oh, the detox centre is in the USA, a country which imprisons up to 800,000 people yearly for possession of small amounts of pot. And why do are these detox centres so common in the USA? That's because the US court system often gives those caught with weed the opportunity to go to "detox" versus being tossed in jail. It's just like "John schools" where guys caught cruising the sex trade strolls are given the opportunity to go "John School" versus facing a charge & possible conviction. Of course there is no proof that John school stops men from cruising the prostitution strolls.

I have refuted each point you've made Dave. Your retort to that is to use tired generalizations & propoganda to attempt to clarify your point. It's not working.

Using commentary from a "for profit detox centre" about the effects of weed is like using the KKK website to argue against immigration. It's not science Dave, it's bullshit. And you know it.

BTW, Mississauga Phil weed use looks to be personal. Given that circumstance, he might get a misdeamour ticket (akin to a speeding ticket). Surely someone as versed as you in cannabis keeps abreast of the CURRENT pot laws.

Rather than troll these forums Dave, my recommendation is you enroll in a rudimentary course on English grammar.

May 11, 2012 @ 12:01 PM

Dave Williams

@Irvine, the information has been around for years it is tough be original when the information has been out there for the masses to consume for years and years. For someone who claims to be a ligustic cop, it is ashame that you cannot understand the content of this concern. Maybe I should simplify it for you. The drug is illegal period. Try crossing an international border with even a minute amount. You will be imprisoned. Minute means small by the way. I did not want to confuse you, though I likely did.
Maybe you hanging out with 100's of addicts has had an effect on you that has yet to be published. Remember, people judge you on the people you are seen with.
I am sure that Phil will have a great time being honest with his kid who calls him a hero on a daily basis, when the kid comes home stoned for the first time and Phil has to explain the negatives about drug use.
Irvine, before you try to slather more of your verbal garbage, talk to your 100's of addict friends ans ask them would they do it all over the same way, or would they try not to start with the non addictive pot?
Get a grip, you are either lost or confused, I am not sure which is accurate.

May 11, 2012 @ 12:34 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Irvine - Ignore this Jackass, there's no talking to him. He keeps trying to bait me by mentioning my son, it's not going to work. I know that I am an outstanding father and it will take a lot more than some idiot on a blog to make me question that.

Oh and I hae been caught (long before i became a father) and I had to make a charitable donation of $100 (I gave it to the Ronald MacDonald house and doubled it to thank God/karma for my good fortune) and that was the end of it.

May 11, 2012 @ 2:24 PM

Dave Williams

@Mississauga Phil, please do not get insulting. No one is trying to bait you on anything. Maybe it is long term use of the drug that is impairing your jugdement, I think they call it paranoid. Now you would think that you getting caught with possession, you may attempt to try to get off this drug. The sad thing here is that most people learn from minor brushes with the law. You sir did not learn your lesson.
You seem to questioning your position as a father, I never have, I am just curious how you will explain the negatives of drugs, when you use them yourself?

May 11, 2012 @ 2:40 PM

Ajax Mike

Hmmm....

"Please do not get insulting"

Preceded by...

"Look in the mirror and you will see a person that is still viewed as a social reject."

"As well, if you were half the man that I am, you would be twice the man that you are."

"Minute means small by the way. I did not want to confuse you, though I likely did."

"Get a grip, you are either lost or confused, I am not sure which is accurate"

Just sayin'...

May 11, 2012 @ 2:58 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Ajax Mike - Couldn't have said it better. Thanks Brother!

May 11, 2012 @ 3:40 PM

Dave Williams

@Mississauga Phil, Mike does make a good point, but those bullet points he made were not insults as much as they were true facts. I highly would doubt that he would see a pot smoking father as a brother in arms.

May 11, 2012 @ 3:50 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Dave, I ask again, who are you to judge me? You have no idea who I am, or the sacrifices I make for my family.

You have turend a healty debate into a bunch of personal attacks. In all honesty, this is the last comment I will make in your direction because you have no desire to have a discussion. I am not paranoid, or burnt out, or suffering any psychosis....please, go fornicate yourself.

...and to dumb it down for you, that means FUCK OFF

May 11, 2012 @ 4:02 PM

Dave Williams

@Phil, I also will cease to comment on this topic. I am sure the juvenile comments that you have dipped to are not you but the drugs talking. I do forgive you as I will take the high road on that type of profanity. You are correct as I do not know what type of sacrifices you have made for your family. I am sure they are noble sacrifices but I ask why you would risk placing your family in jeopardy by doing illegal drugs. If you think your kids do not know, you are wrong, they do. When it comes time for them to make a decision what is right and what is wrong, they will think that dad does it, it can't be wrong. That sir you have to live with. Good Luck.

May 11, 2012 @ 4:12 PM

Irvine

@Dave

I love the thinly veiled hate you have going on toward addicts.

BTW Dave, you seem concerned about the effect being around "100's of addicts" might have on me. As you said, others will judge me for who I interact or who I'm seen with.

Good point.

Mentoring addicts is a volunteer gig for me. My full time gig is "IT Security Specialist". Ostensibly, one might assume I socialize both with white, grey and black hat hackers. Some of those hackers may well be weed smokers & not take too kindly to your posts Dave. They may well write a script in PHP, extract your IP from this site, traceroute it, spend 3-5 minutes until they exploit your home "router" then mirror your port with full access to your data. I witness the very same thing a few weeks ago when a bunch of Bruins fan called that Capitals player (who was black) a nigg3r. Apparently there was one extra tough guy on Twitter that didn't like having the light shined on his racist views. He went "internet Rambo". Not more than 30 minutes later a tweet was directed at him which had his home address, phone number AND a google maps link to a photo of his house. His last tweet was "Hey, I was just kidding around, I really like black people". Then his Twitter account was deleted.

Oh and one last thought. While it's not scientific and based solely on writing, it's my opinion that I'd be far more likely to find YOUR child as the next future addict that will come in for help. One of the more common traits in people who are suffering from addiction was parents who were unlikely to listen, understand or nurture their children. These parents tend to be set in their ways & brought forth their kids failures while ignoring their accomplishments. Ya know what Dave? That's you.

I suspect Phil will admit to his child that he smoked weed. And he'll probably accept his son has casually used drugs. Why a day might come when his son might smoke weed WITH him.

And you know what the difference is Dave? If Phil's kid was ever in real trouble, I bet he comes to his Dad and says I need some help. Your kid? He'll be afraid of you and how you would react. So he'll simply distance himself from you and find "escape" elsewhere in the street.

And then Dave? One day I'll be introduced to him. We'll sit down and I'll start talking to him. I'll ask him a question I always ask "so how was your relationship with your Mom and Dad"

And he'll reply "my dad was a fucking asshole that never listened to what I had to say".

May 11, 2012 @ 10:01 PM

LEW

I have smoked pot for 35 years. I have never become violent or abusive. My father drank, he was abusive and violent. I prefer not to drink, but do enjoy getting a little high. Why do I have to go through life breaking the law, feeding gangs that turn my weed money into guns, instead of going towards health care and the prohibition of guns?

May 12, 2012 @ 1:05 AM

Ajax Mike

@Irvine

*slow clap, nod of approval*

May 12, 2012 @ 11:55 AM

Argie

I wonder how Clint feels about incest or polygamy. I doesn't effect him so why the eff should he care.

Of course to stay relevant in Holly-weird you have to love same sex marriage. Smart move Clint, you old fool.

May 13, 2012 @ 1:55 PM

dave

@Irvine, although I can't stand your anti-Ontario diatribes. You are dead on in this debate...well said....

May 13, 2012 @ 2:47 PM

Mississauga Phil

@ Irvine - As I have stated before, you and I do not always see eye to eye on these little posts, but Thank you. I could not have put it better myself. I really am trying to raise my boy to belive he can come to me with anything. He's only 4 now, lets see how thats working in 10 years or so..

Thanks again brother

May 13, 2012 @ 6:30 PM

Argie

Lets see - Irv and Missi Phil vs Dave. I'm going to go with Dave.

The former have no argument and only show the side effects of long term drug use.

Weed obscures our sense of reality which usually leads to psychological effects like depression and eventually suicide among users.

Anyway, that's my two cents - enjoy your smoke. Its your life.

May 13, 2012 @ 7:35 PM

Mike from Lowville

"toxic psychosis including hallucinations, delusions and a loss of self-identification"


That does it! I'm eating it from now on!

Want a cookie Argie?

May 14, 2012 @ 6:59 AM

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