Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 315: Guilty Pleasure Jams

Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 315In this 315th episode, Mike celebrates St. Patrick's Day with Elvis as they play their guilty pleasure jams. This episode is exactly 2:06:44.

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Rick C in Oakville

Since it's St. Paddy's day any Spirit of the west?

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March 17, 2018 @ 4:39 PM

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@Rick

No, but lots of fun tunes in this one.

March 17, 2018 @ 5:03 PM

Irv

Wow elvis. That’s some serious ass watch

March 17, 2018 @ 6:08 PM

Irv

@Mike

I cried at the end of Titanic too. Same reason. The realism of what happened was shocking and it made you realize "wow"..all those people froze to death (cause they didn't drown). Plus on the Good Dinosaur when his Dad is washed away.

March 17, 2018 @ 6:27 PM

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Pixar just put the bar too high! Coco, Up, Wall-E, the Toy Storys, Inside Out, The Incredibles, Finding Nemo.... so much gold!

March 17, 2018 @ 6:32 PM

Not Quite Mike

Elvis - still the King!

March 17, 2018 @ 7:16 PM

Irv

Elvis

I have to disagree with you on the BSB being a guilty pleasure. They were a massive pop band and saying you liked them wouldn't draw much attention *unless your friends were all metal heads*. Now Creed, they suck.

Examples of guilty pleasure music

Gerardo - Rico Suave
Aaron Lines - Cheaper to Keeper (perhaps the most country song ever)

As for Pitbull. I like some of his songs, especially Calle Ocho and the one with Ne Yo. It's funny because in the video they tone down Ne Yo's dancing (he's awesome) presumably not to take the spotlight off Pitbull. Pitbull grinds me. He's a cheap, imitation womanizing rapper in the worst way. He reminds me of this guy I worked with during summers in high school. We worked in this factory and this guy would go spend his lunch at the S&S, a strip club in Brampton. He was grossly obese, missing teeth, never showered but would remind me that all the strippers loved the guy and wanted to be with him. He was the most delusional guy I ever met. That's Pitbull.

He grinds me like Sean Paul grinds me. I mean they add that dude to songs solely to stock up his bank account (think the SIA song recently).

March 18, 2018 @ 7:06 AM

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The panel has ruled and has determined that both Pitbull and Backstreet Boys would be a certified guilty pleasure for a 40+ year old man like Elvis.

March 18, 2018 @ 9:03 AM

Irv

I don't know Mike. So BSB was big in the late 90s. So say 15+ years ago making Elvis his mid 20's. BSB would be smack dab in the demo

Now, if he was like 54 and frequently said "this new music is all garbage and these Millennials are lazy kids with fish hooks in their nose" THEN it would be a guilty pleasure.

BTW, Air Supply was indeed a popular band in the early 80's. I think they did a song "Making Love out of nothing at all". Air Supply is the kind of music you use to extract sensitive data out of ISIS operatives. You just keep playing that shit until they finally give in.

As a side note, at one point in time I looked exactly like Nick Carter. Same bad blonde hair style. I should try to find a picture. It could become the next greatest meme. ever.

March 18, 2018 @ 9:23 AM

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@Irv

I think you're overthinking it. :)

March 18, 2018 @ 9:27 AM

Irv

Well Mike, Elvis seems like a pretty modern dude. I mean he knows what Linkedin is so I'm guessing he liked pop music.

And while that probably doesn't seem remarkable it is given some of the audience that reads this blog. Remember, there is a substantial portion of readers who are now in Year 20 of debating if AM 640 is better than AM 1010.

And yeah I'm over thinking things. I been looking out the window of a hospital room for 27 days now (minus the 7 or so I can't remember). I have no Kindle with me. TV sucks. So all that's left is your blog man.

March 18, 2018 @ 9:36 AM

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Elvis only knows pop music because he's got kids. He's an AC-DC / Aerosmith guy.

If you over analyze the guilty pleasure jam game, you kill it.

At its essence, the guilty pleasure jam is a song one might not want to tell people he/she digs it, because that would be rather uncool. For example, your love of an obscure Tom Waits song is most definitely not a guilty pleasure jam but your love for Rednex's Cotton Eye Joe most definitely is.

In 2018 it would be rather uncool for a 40 something year old guy to tell people how much he likes a song from BSB or Pitbull, etc.

It's all fun stuff for therapeutic purposes only.

March 18, 2018 @ 9:53 AM

elvis

Did Irv just give me a compliment? #modernman

While I admit I'm out of the pop music game both my kids and my team at work keep that gumball pop vibe in my life. I've never been one to shy away from horrible pop music but I wouldn't go around admitting it unless asked the direct question. There is no way someone my age should have BSB on their phones unless they were a fan back in the day (which I was not). It's a newer phenomenon for me.

March 18, 2018 @ 9:57 AM

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@elvis

Everything I know about the latest rappers comes from my kids.

I too have always kept my ear to the ground with regards to pop music, however... and there was a NKOTB jam or two back in the day I admittedly liked and would still enjoy today if it came on while I shopped at No Frills.

But I'll save it for Guilty Pleasure Jams Part Two.

March 18, 2018 @ 10:06 AM

Irv

Yes Elvis, I complimented you AND I spent 2 hours all in a row listening to your podcast (minus nurse stuff).

As for pop, I'm 48. I still listen to pop music, notably Z103.5 and what's on Apple's Beats 1. I love the stuff myself, even if it's cheesy as shit sometimes. Don't care. I like Jazz and lots of Classic Rock too ESPECIALLY AC DC (the best hacking music ever). What turns me off is the old white guy-itis stuff where they start on the whole "almost all of today's music is *insert swear word*. It is entirely possible to like Boston AND Camila Cabello.

And, if you have a bunch of friends who are really old and grumpy pop music is great. It's like kryptonite to old white people. They stop by to visit, you throw on some pop and in a short period of time they have to leave. It's like being on the subway and speaking loudly into your phone about your "infectious rash". You'll always have lots of leg space.

March 18, 2018 @ 10:15 AM

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And regarding Pearl Jam.... feel free to dislike Pearl Jam all you like. Consider them overrated too, if you wish. Art is subjective! Heck, Elvis and I could not have disagreed more about Coco in this very episode.

But there's no way in hell you can consider your love for a Pearl Jam song a guilty pleasure. No chance, no way. Pearl Jam is not a guilty pleasure, and despite Elvis's ignorance, the first guilty pleasure jam I chose was not Pearl Jam (or Temple of the Dog!).

March 18, 2018 @ 10:16 AM

hilly

The only reason to hate Pearl Jam is because they were so popular. They're a great band. I'm sure some people hate The Beatles or Led Zeppelin for the same reason.

March 18, 2018 @ 10:26 AM

Irv

I liked the first record, but I never much got into them after that. I think with PJ it's a case of they're way "oversold" as this supposed amazing rock band. Same for the Foo Fighters. But I feel the same about U2. Loved the early stuff, then post Joshua Tree it was "meh" (though I think One is awesome) . Has zero to do with popularity either.

I don't think Nickelback is a guilty pleasure really. I take it for what it is. Well produced pop rock. I own a few Nickelback songs.

Creed was really just what was happening with rock music at the time. That's when the end started. If you watch the video Dani California from RHCP, it's a walk through the history of rock music. It ends with Cobain singing and a candle blowing out (his death). And that was it. Creed, etc, was the "fumes of the gasoline" of rock music.

March 18, 2018 @ 12:32 PM

Jason from Sudbury

I'm 35 and not into pop. BSB, NSink, NKOTB, Brittany, Lady Gaga, no thanks. I have never heard of Camila Cabello. To me its all crap and it all sounds the same. But hey I'm not going to bash you because you like pop. Hey we all like what we like right? Although I do have to admit, that one song from Alessia Cara grew on me a bit a couple years ago, forgetting what it was called now.

My goto is anything from rock, metal, grunge to classic rock. On my phone I have anything from Five Finger Death Punch, Disturbed, Sloan, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Rage, The Glorious Sons, Big Wreck, the Sheepdogs and Zeppelin just to name a few.
I just find it crazy how Nirvana and Alice In Chains are getting to be considered classic rock now. Well according to some radio stations anyway. Either way it makes me feel old. lol

March 19, 2018 @ 3:59 AM

bsmntdwllr73

@Mike
Only a couple of songs into the musical portion of this episode and can't help but feel a real
opportunity was lost!! Personally, I would have gone with Creed's "With Legs (I mean, Arms!!) Wide
Open", but then I'm a total masochistic ear self-polluter!! Acts like Candlebox and Seven Mary Three
were equally guilty of aping Pearl Jam a little too much for comfort!!! Also, totally agree with you
that Air Supply should have gone with the handle The Russells. Vocally the main Russell was close
in timbre to Dennis DeYoung(Styx) and the lead preacher from Stryper in his prime!!

March 19, 2018 @ 10:20 AM

Irv

I guess the real question when it comes to Creed, Nickelback, Theory, etc is what drives our reticence to be ashamed to like it?

My opinion is that it's plain old "rock snobbery" on our behalf. If you step outside all of that and look objectively at Creed or Nickelback they are essentially "mass produced pop-rock bands". Had they been released at any other time in the music cycle they'd have been viewed as big hits. Our mocking them comes because they came at the end of the cycle of rock as a genre in popular culture. Had Creed been released in the late 80's it would have just been a "pop song".

When I was a teen I listened to CFNY but I also listened to Kiss 98.5. Groups like Expose, Brenda K Starr, Taylor Dayne & a swath of Miami based freestyle lit up the dial then. Today they sound absolutely dreadful and entirely dated. They too were at the end of their music cycle. I mean hey, people loved Stevie B at one point.

March 19, 2018 @ 10:54 AM

bsmntdwllr73

@Mike
Katy Perry is best enjoyed with the sound on mute, and some kind of blown up, freeze-framed version of her voluptuousness on a large screen!! And perhaps any hairstyle other than her current one!!
As for Falco, he also had a hit during that period with "Vienna Calling", which is another of those songs with a shout out to 'Toronto, Canada' near the end! Not an add-on after the fact, unlike Huey Lewis and the News' "Heart of Rock and Roll" or Starship's "We Built This City!" "The Sound of Music" from 1986 was another key English track by Mr. Der Kommissar!

March 19, 2018 @ 10:57 AM

bsmntdwllr73

@Irv
Expose and Taylor Dayne were great in their day, especially their tracks that swerved closer to rock:
i.e., "What You Don't Know" and "With Every Beat of My Heart." Stevie B. was a little too cheesy for
my unsophisticated hair metal-lovin' teenage self!!

March 19, 2018 @ 11:01 AM

bsmntdwllr73

@Mike
If I had known that you were bringing R. Kelly to the Guilty Jams party, then I would have made
sure to have sported my galoshes, a rain slicker and also an extra-large umbrella!! I suddenly
can't get B.J. Thomas out of my head, but it's not raindrops that he is singing 'bout in this version!!!

March 19, 2018 @ 11:12 AM

Irv

THIS is a song that's a guilty pleasure. It's so cheesy I cringe, but it was a bomb when it was on the radio.

March 19, 2018 @ 11:18 AM

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As we learned from the Toronto Mike'd episode with Maestro Fresh-Wes, Stevie B discovered Maestro!

March 19, 2018 @ 11:22 AM

bsmntdwllr73

@Mike
Stevie B always seemed to be on Electric Circus all the time back in the day! P.S.,
I wonder how many '90s babies were conceived to "Because I Love You (The
Postman Song)" and why the U.S. Postal Service never adopted it as its anthem?!?

March 19, 2018 @ 11:49 AM

Irv

@Bsmntdwllr73

My guess is that 107.9 and the early incarnation of 103.5 (Hot) gave Stevie B a good following in Toronto. This blog and radio forums don't touch on that subject much, but those stations and 102.1 played a major part in the whole music scene getting traction here. If I recall I believe at one point CFNY even played "I Wanna Be the One" when they went Top 40.

March 19, 2018 @ 12:44 PM

bsmntdwllr73

@Irv
I managed to dodge the so-called bullet of CFNY's pop 'experiment' as I was still listening to IQ of
7 at that point. I switched over to 'NY in the summer of '91 and left for good around the end of
January 2001, after Alan Cross's first station departure. Since then I've listened exclusively to JazzFM,
and have also re-introduced the formerly mighty q back into my musical diet for reasons currently
unknown!!!

March 19, 2018 @ 12:50 PM

Irv

I listened to 102.1 in the 80's when it was the real spirit of radio. I hung on into the early 90's and by 91 was focused on this new station called Energy 108. Later, I would find "The Rock Home of Stockholm" Bandit 105.5 this indie rocker from Sweden. They were like 102 and used the liner "Swedish Radio Sucks. We Suck Less". After that I would go entirely online though I still do listen to Z103 in my car. I'm also a fan of Dave FM out of Kitchener. My opinion is they do rock VERY well. The playlist is very deep and not just the usual cuts. Many times I've been driving and thought "holy shit I haven't heard this for years". On weekends they do triple plays and I've heard songs I didn't know exist by bands like AC DC, etc. And they actually play Motorhead.

Dave is also home to Craig Fee. Craig is the PM drive guy who, to some, is probably MORE grating than I am. (an accomplishment in itself) It's a pleasure to listen to an announcer who speaks his mind though he apparently gets a large number of "please fire this retard" emails to which he has a "butthurt" song. A little bird told me he has huge ratings too

March 19, 2018 @ 1:31 PM

bsmntdwllr73

@Irv
Sounds like a great station. Can't believe a terrestrial radio station plays Motorhead in non- graveyard
shift hours!! And AC/DC deep cuts too?!? Consider me sold!! I guess I now have some online listening to do. Thanks for the tip!

March 19, 2018 @ 1:39 PM

Irv

I copied the list below from the website. I've heard them spin Judas Priest Living After Midnight, Heading out to the highway, Def Lep from the original record. In a triple shot of Sabbath they actually played Sweet Leaf. Q107 or even 97 Rock doesn't go near that stuff. And they play Rage too including the new cut Livin on the 110 from Prophets of Rage

THAT is how rock radio should sound.

SCORPIONS
THE ZOO

07:30PM
Hit Between The Eyes
SCORPIONS
HIT BETWEEN THE EYES

07:25PM
Tease Me Please Me
SCORPIONS
TEASE ME PLEASE ME

DEF LEPPARD
BRINGIN' ON THE HEARTACHE

AC/DC
ROCK 'N' ROLL SINGER

March 19, 2018 @ 2:12 PM

bsmntdwllr73

@Irv
You've definitely got that right!! IQ of 7 doesn't play any of the pre-commercial success Scorpions or Def Leppard tracks (first two superior albums). Not to mention that Black Sabbath of any sort is about
as common as that pesky Halley's Comet! However, Bronski Beat appears to have been scrubbed from their playlist. Now if they had played "Why?" or "Hit That Perfect Beat", well, I wouldn't have had
a problem with that at all!!!

March 19, 2018 @ 2:19 PM

bsmntdwllr73

@Irv
And the q doesn't go anywhere near Judas Priest. "Heading Out to the Highway" is my fave track from
them, even though a lot of their fans dislike the Point of Entry album.

March 19, 2018 @ 2:22 PM

Jason from Sudbury

Discovered Dave FM while visiting fam in Kitchener and I dig it. I'll listen to that online once in a while. Craig Fee is awesome. I remember him from overnights on the Edge.

March 19, 2018 @ 7:12 PM

Jason from Sudbury

Creed has some decent songs. Sure "With Arms Wide Open" is lame and was overplayed when it came out. But "Torn", "What If" and "Bullets" are cool. I don't mind some early Nickelback, but they lost me when they came out with the one song that asks "What the hell is on Joey's head?" I forget the name of it now.
Theory Of a Deadman's first album was good, everything after that not so much, but I really love their new single "RX" that came out last year.

March 19, 2018 @ 7:17 PM

Irv

@Basement

Dave FM reminds me of a station I used to listen to growing up in the south of the mountains in Western Canada. It was called KEZE Spokanes Best Rock. It would spin everything from Duran to Duran rock songs to real metal. Shit, they played Fastway - Say What You Will (which I think I heard on Dave Rocks).

Rock radio in the early years was pretty diverse. Did you know Q107 used to play Life in a Northern Town in some dayparts?

Of note on Dave Rocks. Go over to the numeris.ca page and look at their numbers. They do very well. And that's remarkable because the station is really not that powerful. I think it's just a few thousand watts and it's coverage area is pretty small. They're also very good with social media and the staff seem to be given a lot of freedom.

@jason. The funny part about Fee is that he's a caustic, opinionated in your face guy, but he's a vegan and has 4 kids lol. It's just so anti stereotype.

March 20, 2018 @ 8:27 AM

Al The Royal Pain

Fun episode! But I have to admit...as soon as you started playing Elvis' first guilty pleasure song, I turned off the podcast...went straight to Spotify and blared Boston's Amanda followed by Frozen Ghost's Dream Come True while singing loudly in the car. Once I was thoroughly ashamed of myself, I came back to the podcast to listen to the rest. Thanks for the interesting morning commute!

March 20, 2018 @ 9:05 AM

bsmntdwllr73

@Irv
Fastway, wow!! And Fast Eddie Clarke just passed away several months ago.

March 20, 2018 @ 9:14 AM

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