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Tim

On my home yesterday, I came upon an accident, that was on my route. Normally, I would have been driving by that spot at the time the accident occurred. For some reason, I felt compelled to stop on my way home and grab a coffee. Devine intervention, fluke just plain dumb luck or all of the above? What does the hive mind think?

December 9, 2014 @ 9:05 AM

Argie

What purpose does Eileen serve on H&F podcasts? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just wonder why she's there. She occasionally pipes in with a quick comment (sometimes funny, sometimes not) and I assume she's not working the board, as that's Phil's job. Can someone enlighten me?

December 9, 2014 @ 9:09 AM

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@Argie

She'd be responsible for booking guests... making sure they know when to arrive, etc.

Btw, Howard works his own board. Phil's primary responsibility would be editing the file for terrestrial radio.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:12 AM

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@Tim

Just plain dumb luck.

I'm glad for your sake you avoided the accident.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:13 AM

Lyle Lanley

I have Toronto Mike'd guest requests:

Ron McLean
Bob McCown
Dean Blundell
Steve Anthony
Gord Downie

December 9, 2014 @ 9:25 AM

CAMILLE

Just dropping in to say I really like the redesign. :)

December 9, 2014 @ 9:25 AM

Irv

Well Argie, that Wynne woman did something good. I'm glad to see her speaking out against the Conservatives prostitution bill. It's legal to sell something but illegal to buy it. #LOLfail.

Driving prostitution underground won't make it safer at all. The same sort of mentality was tried in Vancouver decades ago. The hookers worked Davie (area in downtown Vancouver now mostly gay). City Hall forced them out & they landed in the Downtown East Side. Not long after a man named Robert William Pickton arrived & started butchering them and, in some cases, selling their flesh as pork to unsuspecting locals.

I'm glad to see the VPD (Vancouver cops) have stated they'll not be focusing on "sex transactions between consenting adults". Exactly. You've got limited resources so why waste them on that. Van has a deep dark underside that would probably surprise most Canadians. They should be working on fixing that shit.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:28 AM

Speysidephil

@tim

Strange how those things workout. It's not just plain dumb luck, it just wasn't your time, and something within you urged you to stop for that coffee.
Glad your safe.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:36 AM

Ryan G / hobogauntlet.blogspot.ca

@Tim.

God.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:37 AM

Argie

@Irv
First of all I'm not Harper's biggest fan so I'm not sure why you keep addressing his supposed "fails" to me. I'll confess, I don't know much about the hooker bill/law that the Conservatives put in place. I know its been front and centre in MSM but I really have no interest in it. I just wish the said MSM would quit referring to these hookers as "sex workers". It gives the services they provide some legitimacy.

As for Wynne, she has a tendency to take the politically-expedient position. Good for her - she's a true politician.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:44 AM

Irv


Because they are sex workers Argie. It's their body & they're fit to do what they want with it just like people who choose to work in physical jobs. No difference.

This has nothing to do with a Harper fail. It has everything to do with criminality. You force this shit underground and you get the same problem you get with cannabis. A completely illegal & gangster subculture. Well that subculture doesn't operate in a bubble & spills over into our society requiring OUR resources which WE pay for.

Cannabis is the best example. Cultivated in Canada, it was used as a currency to trade for "hard drugs" to be imported into Canada. Cannabis produces "gangster style" profits. An illegal sex trade will do the same thing. When something goes underground, prices rise because risk increases (free market).

December 9, 2014 @ 9:52 AM

Cheryl

My Nets and Suns both lost. My Suns lost by a measly point in overtime. That was no good and my Nets got clobbered. I am really doing bad in my basketball pool. The Raptors had to win again. I should just accept it. They won't lose very often at all. I hope my Nets can find a way to beat them. Anyway, now I have people pissed with me about the football pool because I fought to keep my three teams. Another guy had three as well, but he gave one up. I won't give one up. I'm just going to win all the money, $100.00. If any of my teams go further into the playoffs, then I will get a bit more money. Ravens and Cardinals are going to the Superbowl. Trust me. I'll be $150.00 richer by the beginning of February.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:53 AM

Ryan G / hobogauntlet.blogspot.ca

I like John Tory.

He's a very very smart guy, is good for this city and is a class-act.

But you know what, he really does need to do something about his hair. It's getting a little out of control, and we have to think about the reputation of this city because.....wait..what?..oh..um. sorry. Scratch that.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:53 AM

Gump

@Irv
I agree 100%. Prostitution is never going away and it's best to legalize it and make sure safeguards are in place -- health care, human trafficking protection, providing help to get people out, etc. (and of course tax revenue!). It is a terrible business and I wouldn't hesitate to say that almost everyone has no idea what goes on in that world. My brief exposure to the Red Light district in Amsterdam shocked me -- the exact opposite of sexy.

@Ryan
So close. It was Santa, not God. Both are equal fictitious characters. As my 7 year old told me on the way to school today -- "The Tooth Fairy is just the parents, ha! And the Easter Bunny is really weird. I don't believe that. I don't know about Santa." If he had added God in there, I would have been proud!
Please note however that I do not encourage him to be agnostic/atheist. It's up to him. Two quotes from Richard Dawkins come to mind :
"Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, how to evaluate evidence, and how to disagree with you.”
“Faith can be very very dangerous, and deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong.”

December 9, 2014 @ 10:25 AM

Philly-Bob

Not getting drawn into the God debate again, just making one statement.

@ Gump - to refer to God as a "Fictional Character" is demeaning and insulting and shows an utter lack of class. Shame on you.

That is all..have a great day Hive-mind.

December 9, 2014 @ 11:01 AM

Argie

Another quote about faith:
"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible."
- St. Thomas Aquinas

December 9, 2014 @ 11:14 AM

this guest

@ Tim

Big believer here in coincidence(s).
Synchronicity.
Call it what you will.
Carl Jung wrote about it a lot.
I like Jung.

December 9, 2014 @ 11:23 AM

Argie

@this guest
Great album too.

December 9, 2014 @ 11:25 AM

this guest

wikipedia:

One of Jung's favourite quotes on synchronicity was from Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll, in which the White Queen says to Alice: "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards."[15][16]

'The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday — but never jam to-day.'
'It MUST come sometimes to "jam to-day,"' Alice objected.
'No, it can't,' said the Queen. 'It's jam every OTHER day: to-day isn't any OTHER day, you know.'
'I don't understand you,' said Alice. 'It's dreadfully confusing!'
'That's the effect of living backwards,' the Queen said kindly: 'it always makes one a little giddy at first —'
'Living backwards!' Alice repeated in great astonishment. 'I never heard of such a thing!'
'— but there's one great advantage in it, that one's memory works both ways.'
'I'm sure MINE only works one way,' Alice remarked. 'I can't remember things before they happen.'
'It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards,' the Queen remarked.

December 9, 2014 @ 11:26 AM

Glen

I've been enjoying the Serial podcast since it's debut. There are few questions that are bugging me about this case.

What happened to the car that supposedly hid the murdered young girl in the trunk? I haven't heard that discussed on the podcast.

Also was there any forensic evidence linking Adnan? Jay? other? to her murder? Don't you need this for a 1st degree murder conviction and a lifetime jail term? I haven't heard that much discussed either.

December 9, 2014 @ 11:30 AM

Irv

@Gump

Prostitution is a complex topic & one that few people understand. The assumption is that any woman in the sex trade is there because she's an addict or a victim of abuse. It's a misogynistic opinion (and wrong). Would the same be said about males? Shit, if men could get $300 bucks per hour to have sex we'd have lines around the block applying at brothels.

To start, there are many levels of prostitutes. At one end you've got upscale escorts who may charge $2000.00 per hour. At the polar opposite are those in what is referred to (at least in Vancouver) as the "low track". These women are known as survival sex workers and they're often addicts selling sex to pay for their addictions. Everything else falls in between the above. Only a small minority of sex trade workers are trafficked. Many in society have a hard time imaging those women CHOOSE that lifestyle. There are lots of women out there turning tricks to pay their bills & feed their kids.

When it comes to trafficking it's a completely different topic. Trafficked women may or may not work on the street. Trafficked women are usually moved city to city on a "circuit" to prevent them from building any type of relationship. It's all about isolation. They likely won't have a cell phone as a cell phone is a means to escape or reach out to family or friends. And contrary to popular opinion, their pimps are sometimes not males, but females. I must commend the TV show Blackstone for breaking this stereotype in season 4. Once these women are addicted to something like heroin, it's game over. The problem ain't getting high, it's what is called "dope sickness". It's when you run out of drugs & you need more but don't have them. Dope sickness is excruciating & a nasty part of addiction. If you can't grasp it, I want you to ask yourself this. Why did so many women get in the truck of Pickton, a man who never showered and stunk like pig shit & sucked his dick for $40 bucks. Further, they got in his truck when the street KNEW he may be the killer. The "street" and sex workers have a communication system which is unrivaled. That's how horrible drug addiction is.


December 9, 2014 @ 11:56 AM

this guest

@ Ryan G.
re: 'hair.' LOL

December 9, 2014 @ 1:05 PM

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@Philly-Bob

There's as little evidence that god exists as there is evidence that santa exists.

Without a shred of evidence supporting the existence of god, it's fair to call him/her a fictitious character. At least as fictitious as santa.

December 9, 2014 @ 1:37 PM

Irv

@TM

I am not a believer in the whole "God" thing but I find the topic fascinating. To start, God is close to the spelling of Good. And the Devil is close to "evil". And every culture has some form of "God". Natives call him the "Creator" (North America is Turtle Island). Every other culture seems to believe in some form of Deity. One other point that I think is important to make is human arrogance. Humans, as a species are incredibly arrogant. Throughout all of history we assume our knowledge at the time was factual.

Could there be a God? Well I personally have a hard time with that but the "intelligence analyst" in me challenges that. Are we so sure what we see around us is in fact all their is? What about people who believe in ghosts? In certain cases there are compelling cases to make one believe ghosts could well be a reality. And if that's the case how the hell do we explain that? If the soul of a human can continue to exist after their death, what else can exist?

If saying God exists is just human foolishness than so is saying God doesn't exist. We're only using the information we, as a species, have on-hand at this present time. To imagine we have all the answers is human arrogance at it's best. And those who do not believe will say "well there is no scientific proof". Well there was no scientific proof about bacteria not so long ago yet we recognize it as being real. Whose to say we don't have more to learn?

All I know is that I've seen a good number of people escape their own addictions & personal hell because they believed in a God and Devil. Belief in God gave them the strength to find their way. The existence of the Devil gave them the belief that their weaknesses & mistakes were not solely of their own doing.

Real or imagined, who really cares? I see people say religion is the cause of many horrific wars, etc through human history. And those people are correct. But let's remember many many more people have did the right thing because of their belief in God. And that's a point that's often missed.

December 9, 2014 @ 2:20 PM

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@Irv

The burden of proof is not on me to prove god doesn't exist.

You cannot prove something doesn't exist.

December 9, 2014 @ 2:30 PM

Argie

I love how atheists will usually reference Lennon's "Imagine" (Imagine there's no religion..."). OK, lets look a few countries where there's no religion: North Korea, the USSR, East Germany, Mao's China. Um, not so good eh?

December 9, 2014 @ 2:35 PM

Justin

Mike I have to tell you, saying god is a fictitious character can be offensive to a lot of people. I am not a religious man but I believe in god and can feel and appreciate his presence in the world. That is all the proof I need although I cannot prove 100% that he exists (as can no one else in this world).

RE: John Tory - I must say I have been impressed with him thus far. Although I was a Ford supporter throughout the campaign I never felt Tory would be bad for Toronto. He was the 2nd of two good options for the city. I look forward to seeing what he plans to do in the coming years...just remember that politicians rarely raise taxes or do anything objectionable in their first year in power. Rob Ford himself had a fantastic 1st year. It is after that we will see the real John Tory.

December 9, 2014 @ 2:48 PM

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@Justin

I'm sorry for offending you, but I'm just being honest.

December 9, 2014 @ 2:50 PM

James Edgar

Irv makes some good points in that we Don't know for sure. But there's still nothing other than a 5000 year old book and it's sequels to provide any evidence that god is anything but a "Fictional Character". Just like Santa .

December 9, 2014 @ 2:54 PM

James Edgar

Mike I forgot to say I like the new look.

December 9, 2014 @ 3:00 PM

Irv

Well well well

LINK

December 9, 2014 @ 3:02 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - to me it just smacks of a superiority complex you atheists have. You're smarter than us, you have it all figured out. You can't be certain that God doesn't exist any more than I can be sure he does. I think we can both agree that organized religion has fucked everything up.

More importantly. What is the difference between you calling God a fictional character (something I find very offensive) and me using a racial slur??

Not that I ever would with the United Nations Assembly that is my family lol....but what is the difference Mr. Boon?

December 9, 2014 @ 3:03 PM

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@Philly-Bob

Superiority complex? Hardly.

With absolutely everything else in the universe, you'd be chastised for believing something existed without a stitch of evidence.

I don't understand why you're equating me saying god is a fictional character with racial slurs. They're completely different things. Why do you think they're the same?

December 9, 2014 @ 3:08 PM

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@James Edgar

Thanks, man.

I made a whole bunch of changes based on feedback since I launched the new code on Thursday.

If anyone wants any further changes, just leave a comment and if it makes sense and is possible, I'll do it.

December 9, 2014 @ 3:09 PM

Argie

I'm religious but I don't take offence to anyone calling God a "fictitious character." That's their belief (no pun intended) and since I can't prove to them there is a God, all I can do illustrate what kind of world or society we would be living in if no one believed there was a God. We've seen countries where that was the case, and it aint pretty.

To me its only offensive if someone says something like "anyone who believes in God is an effn moron.

December 9, 2014 @ 3:19 PM

Ryan G / hobogauntlet.blogspot.ca

@Justin

I will agree with you on one point. Saying god doesn't exist offends many folks, which ultimately is a major factor in why we have terrorist attacks and beheadings of innocent people. Just today Richard Dawkins tweeted that an Iraqi interpreter told him he'd cut off his head because Dawkins is a Jew. And he said it with a smile.

Casual acceptance of god and religion is evident in everyday life, yet, if I was to express my views as a non believer, then I'm viewed as troublesome, impolite and offensive. It's funny to me that if religious express their beliefs, it's normal and ok, but if I do, I'm offensive.

December 9, 2014 @ 3:19 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - To me, and maybe only to me, it's insulting. I know you're a good guy and don't mean it that way, but it still insulting.

I compare it to a racial slur because a slur is used to bring the person it's being said to down, while elevating the person saying it. Likening God to a mascot created to sell soft drinks (Santa) is basically calling everyone who believes in Him an idiot. (as in the only an idiot (or a child) would believe Santa exists).

You want to say you don't believe in God, such is your right, but referring to Him as a fictional character crosses a line, in my view.

But I really don't want to go off on a tirade here, just giving my opinion.

How bout them Leafs?

December 9, 2014 @ 3:32 PM

Irv

You know @TM, Philly Bob does have a point on the "superiority complex". I'm not referring to you specifically but sometimes the POV of an atheist comes off high handed and sanctimonious.

Let me use a comparison. I've seen "progressive liberals" label all things Alberta & Calgary as "redneck". They espouse how narrow minded it all is but they themselves are being..narrow minded. Sometimes the most arrogant people view themselves as the most liberal minded & progressive.

Sometimes atheists CAN be a little arrogant. And it's not about belief so much as it is knowing when/what to say at certain moments. Example: Let's say I am invited to a native reserve for a sweat lodge & a feast. These are very important rituals for natives. I would certainly never question or even debate their belief in the "Creator" nor their practice of giving back something when the Creator gives them something (like giving a gift of meat after shooting a deer). Just like some Christian types, atheists sometimes shoot off their mouth at the wrong time. Now, on this blog, all comments are fair game. It's an open forum called Open Mike.

There was a TV show called Caprica which really got into the whole debate on religion (god versus gods), human arrogance, religious fanaticism & humans playing God. The first 10 minutes of episode 1 which shows us where humans will likely take the Internet was fucking brilliant. Great show, got no love & came way to early after BSG.

December 9, 2014 @ 3:35 PM


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@Philly-Bob

But how could I not believe in a non-fictional character?

You're okay if I say "I don't believe in god" but offended when I say "god is fictional". As one who only doesn't believe in the fictional, it's one and the same.

Ask yourself this one simple question... why do you believe in god? I'll bet it's for the same reason you once believed in santa.

December 9, 2014 @ 3:44 PM

Speysidephil

For many commenters there is only Black or White. Nothing in between, no what ifs, no well Maybe's, no it maybe possible, Nope just Black or White. Pretty sad actually.

December 9, 2014 @ 3:50 PM

Irv

Spey.

Big increase in power in Ont is due to NIMBY and to Ont winding down Nanticoke. Nanticoke was pollution central and made the oil sands seem clean

December 9, 2014 @ 3:57 PM

Argie

@speyside
Here's another absolute: Wynne and her party are robbing us blind.

December 9, 2014 @ 4:02 PM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - Because it's a well established FACT that Santa is fictional. All us parents put the toys in our kids stockings that they think come form Santa. No sane person over a certain age believes Santa is real.

Millions (if not billions) of people, many of whom hold high IQ's and degrees from respected institutes of learning, believe in God's existence. That's the difference.

December 9, 2014 @ 4:06 PM

this guest

@ Speysidephil

Re: black and white:

I'll agree with you and using piano keys as the imagery
will say the most beautiful music is when black and white
goes way beyond being only black and white.

December 9, 2014 @ 4:08 PM

this guest

One can define god (God) in various ways
thus creating a sense of fiction or story with
personalized interpretation.

December 9, 2014 @ 4:10 PM

Speysidephil

@this guest

Exactly!

December 9, 2014 @ 4:11 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Philly-Bob

How did we get on this topic again? Oh yeah, it was Gump's fault...

Final word on the subject.... get ready.... this is it from me unless we change the topic....

It's only a well established fact that Santa is fictitious because there's zero proof he exists. That's the same amount of proof we have that god exists.

The fact millions believe god exists without a shred of evidence means absolutely nothing to me.

December 9, 2014 @ 4:19 PM

this guest

Curious George is God
and the Man in the Yellow Hat are the faithful

December 9, 2014 @ 4:36 PM

Rick C in Oakville

@Argie: Yes the Wynne Liberals are definitely robbing us blind according to the Auditor General. Won't be much left in a few years for them to tax us back to prosperity. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ontarians-paying-billions-extra-for-electricity-auditor-general-finds-1.2139544

December 9, 2014 @ 5:15 PM

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If anyone is curious about Toronto radio or just wants to hear me grill Humble and Fred, here's the fresh MP3: http://torontomike.podcastaccelerator.com/100-december-09-2014.mp3

December 9, 2014 @ 5:19 PM

CQ

@Toronto Mike (13:37 p.m.)
"There's as little evidence that god exists as there is evidence that santa exists."

Actually, I was just watching a documentary upon the real life St. Nicklaus. He was a bishop, without much of family connections, in Constantine, who gave of his own money. There is a story of his aiding a man with three daughters. The man couldn't afforded dowries for his girls, meaning that they would end up into prostitution. St. Nick then stealthily deposited a bag of gold coins at their home, three nights in a row. The father naturally waited for his arrival during the third night to thank him.
Today's candy canes represent the bishop's crosier, a curved shepherd stick. The Christmas Tree is, apparently, a triangular representation of the Holy Trinity that points skyward.
Santa Claus was an generalized modification in places such as the American Colonies where growing religious differences conflicted with the shared existing wishes of the public to hold onto various holiday practices.

December 9, 2014 @ 6:39 PM

Army42

Religion is bullshit!!!

George tells it best;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

December 9, 2014 @ 7:30 PM

Tiny Montgomery

"Farmers of North America (based in Saskatoon, Canada) recently offered to buy the Canadian Wheat Board ... The Harper Conservatives rejected the offer. They did not give a reason. They just said 'no'. Now, we hear the minister will hand over the Wheat Board's assets to the private sector (ADM -Archer Daniel Midlands..which has ties to Monsanto) for a grand total -- get this -- of zero."

December 9, 2014 @ 9:27 PM

markosaar

@Argie,

OK, lets look a few countries where there's no religion: North Korea, the USSR, East Germany, Mao's China. Um, not so good eh?

Do you honestly believe this is an argument?

December 9, 2014 @ 9:30 PM

Anonymous

Christians dropped the first A bomb on children and defenseless civilians.

December 9, 2014 @ 9:38 PM

markosaar

My problem with Argie using that argument re: atheists is that for someone that "debates" like he does, I find it unlikely that he just stumbled across that idea. He's probably used it multiple times over the years and is being intellectually dishonest. Then if someone, like me, calls him out, he'll feign outrage at being "attacked".

BUT FOR THE RECORD, the argument is bunk.

First, "North Korea" can be dismissed immediately. North Korea is not atheistic. The state is extremely religious; Dear Leader is worshipped as God as a matter of policy.

With the USSR & China, it's a stretch to label them as "atheistic". The problem is that it ascribes some motivation to atheism. Atheism is an absence of belief in any god. It is not a political ideology, agenda nor philosophy.

He's is ascribing the needs and dogma of the totalitarian state to atheism, either naively, or deliberately confusing the two, just to further his own agenda in his lame attempt at an argument.

No one has ever committed atrocities "because of atheism". But they have over religious differences.

December 9, 2014 @ 10:33 PM

Ben

Anyone have a recommendation for a trustworthy IP hiding software? Will this software also ensure if an email is sent that it wouldn't be traced back to a particular area i.e., city I live in?

Not looking to do something nefarious unless you consider helping a friend do a bit of whistle blowing in his company.

December 9, 2014 @ 10:59 PM

Anonymous

Russia has millions upon millions of devout, religious church-goers.

December 9, 2014 @ 11:01 PM

Irv

Ben

I can help you

December 9, 2014 @ 11:27 PM

Ben

@Toronto Mike: Can you give me Irv's email address or vice verse.

December 9, 2014 @ 11:38 PM

Eekan Boo

Spirituality, faith and religion are each a different concept.

Where knowledge ends, religion begins.
Benjamin Disraeli

December 9, 2014 @ 11:58 PM

Argie

@Mark
Not "feigning" anything. Under Mao's China and the USSR (not present day Russia as Anonymous stated), religion was practically outlawed by the state. Those were two of the most brutal societies of all time. That's all I'm saying.

December 10, 2014 @ 8:15 AM

Argie

I suppose we can assume Jonathan Bernier missed a few history classes in school (re: Mandela). Too funny.
#donttalkjuststopthepuck

December 10, 2014 @ 8:18 AM

this guest

What very, very religious societies again was it
who instituted, profited from, and
built their economies on the human
misery of slavery

some of
the most brutal societies
in the history of the world

December 10, 2014 @ 8:53 AM

this guest

human nature
is not made crystal clear
and sparkling
because
of a bible or 'holy' book
in the palm
of the greased hand

December 10, 2014 @ 9:02 AM

Irv

@Argie

Those religious countries you mention weren't religious by choice, but by military force. Have you ever seen the movie the "Red Violin"?. Part of the film is during the Chinese Revolution & how the government stripped away things like religion & western music.

Those societies were brutal not for lack of religion but because they were under the control of violent dictators.

Mexico is a rather Roman Catholic country as is most of Latin America. Mexico is a place of extreme violence. MS-13 & the drug cartels are beyond ruthless.

December 10, 2014 @ 9:15 AM

this guest

I learned everything
I know about god
from a man
with a bullwhip
in his hand


December 10, 2014 @ 9:17 AM

Argie

@Irv
Read up your history of Mexico from 1900 onwards. Its the complete opposite of a religious country. After doing that, you'll change your mind about Mexico.

December 10, 2014 @ 9:31 AM

4x4 Time

I was in downtown Montreal Sunday- Tuesday for meetings and staying a hotel right by the Bell Centre. The amount of people lined up at Bell Centre to pay their respects on Monday was incredible. I was wondering is there any Maple Leaf "legend" who will get this type of respect when they pass?...Johnny Bower?

December 10, 2014 @ 9:35 AM

this guest

after church on sunday
we'll stroll over to the
slave market

got yer whip ma?

December 10, 2014 @ 9:42 AM

this guest

Zebediah tried to escape last night
after hymn-sing
Sister Sally's gonna put the hot iron
to him while his children watch -
learn their Christian lesson.

Ah, good news. We sold
his youngest to the parson
in Ferguson.

December 10, 2014 @ 9:52 AM

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@4x4 Time

No, we don't have anyone who can match what you saw.

Bower is as close as we come, and it's not nearly the same.

December 10, 2014 @ 10:02 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - but in Typical Leafs fashion, when Wendel or Doigie pass (many years from now hopefully) MLSE and the T.O. Media will try and convince us all that those men are as ingrained in our history as Jean Béliveau is in the Habs (it's like apples and oranges, but they'll try).

Unfortunately, the Leafs just don't have Legends like that....

December 10, 2014 @ 10:13 AM

Philly-Bob

That obviously should have been Dougie (stupid typo's)

December 10, 2014 @ 10:13 AM

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@Philly-Bob

Heck, imagine the scene when Tie Domi passes!

December 10, 2014 @ 10:16 AM

Philly-Bob

@ Mike - I'd expect nothing less than a full state funeral, and a province wide day of mourning!

December 10, 2014 @ 10:22 AM

this guest

A lot of Quebec history tied up in Jean_Béliveau's great story.
Didn't his career stretch back all the way to the Duplessis years?

December 10, 2014 @ 10:35 AM

this guest

He carried himself like an Italian movie star.
What a graceful presence.

December 10, 2014 @ 10:39 AM

Cheryl

How about those Habs. Nice win. Too bad the Leafs had to win as well. My Suns lost, but the Raptors lost as well. My Nets didn't play. They play tonight. Snow on the way. They say 14 cm. I have a feeling I won't see my trainer tomorrow. Anyway, he's not going to drive with 14 cm of snow on the ground, that's for sure. Anyway, Ravens and Cardinals are going to the Superbowl. I don't care if people are pissed off with me. I am winning the money, but I'm not going to get it until the end of January or beginning of February. Another guy had three teams as well, but he was good and dropped a team. Anyway, I'm winning the money. Wish there was a hockey pool, but they don't want one. I'm lousy in the basketball pool though.

December 10, 2014 @ 11:00 AM

Argie

Well thank the baby Jesus that Strombo is nowhere to be found on the coverage of Mr. Beliveau's funeral. MacLean and Friedman aren't perfect but they're much better.

December 10, 2014 @ 1:41 PM

Philly-Bob

Funniest Part of Talladega Nights

Carley: Hey, you know, sweetie, Jesus did grow up. You don’t always have to call him “baby.” It’s a bit odd and off-putting to pray to a baby.

Ricky: Well, I like the Christmas Jesus best and I’m saying grace. When you say grace you can say it to grownup Jesus, or teenage Jesus, or bearded Jesus or whoever you want.

Carley: You know what I want? I want you to do this grace good so that God will let us win tomorrow.

Ricky: Dear tiny Jesus, in your golden-fleece diapers, with your tiny, little, fat, balled-up fists….

Chip: He was a man! He had a beard!

Ricky: Look, I like the baby version the best, do you hear me? I win the races and I get the money.

Carley: Ricky, finish the damn grace.

Cal: I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T shirt, cause it says, like, “I wanna be formal, but I’m here to party, too.” Cause I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party.

Walker: I like to picture Jesus as a ninja fighting off evil samurai.

December 10, 2014 @ 2:11 PM


Anonymous

Guns and roses. And John Denver.

December 10, 2014 @ 4:01 PM


Tiny Montgomery

8 Billion down the drain in Ontario P3s.
http://canadians.org/blog/8-billion-down-drain-ontario-p3s

December 10, 2014 @ 6:57 PM

Tiny Montgomery

Your job goes from 18.32 hourly to 9.50.

Lastly we are increasingly seeing these deals are also a Trojan horse to destroy many unionized support staff and service workers jobs. In addition to expensive financing and construction costs, these P3 hospitals deals often include hidden privatized services such as maintenance, security, cleaning and laundry, adding tens of millions more to the final price tag and reducing health outcomes for patients. When the privatization of services was initiated in 2003 in BC, the wages of housekeeping aides with Aramark (a multinational health privateer/corporation) dropped from the usual rate of $18.32 per hour to the starting wage of $9.50 per hour, raising to a meager $11.21 per hour after 6 years.

December 10, 2014 @ 6:59 PM

Irv

@Tiny.

Some will call me a socialist, but I think a minimum wage of 15$ per hour in a large city makes sense. There was a time when the "working class" could get a decent paying job. It didn't offer them riches, but if offered them the ability to scrape out a living & have a bit of dignity. Today, we have a complete underclass. For many, especially those in the suburbs, they're invisible. But they aren't invisible. My Vancouver condo isn't so far from the Downtown East Side. It's 10 square blocks with some 16000 people yet it consumes 50% of the cities "first responder" budget. We still pay for it.

I'm not a fan of unions, but I'm even less of a fan of multinational corporations whose dick is shoved deep in the asses of politicians. The problem is the "working man" thinks the union represents him. And the "free market business guy" erroneously believes the 1% multinational corporate types represent their best interests. They don't. Both sides have an agenda and neither of them give 0 fucks about you, whether you're getting paid by the hour or your a small/medium sized businessman. The Walmart's of this planet would happily crush both.

The problem with humanity is that we're loyal to our thoughts.

December 10, 2014 @ 8:57 PM

this guest

'loyal to our thoughts'

now that is something to contemplate.
I suppose we are.
keeps new ideas at arms length
wherein lies the problem

December 11, 2014 @ 4:27 AM

Cheryl

My Nets lost. The Leafs won. Anyway, my trainer is coming. I don't know what time he'll get here though. They upgraded it to 15 cm of fricken snow. Not a good thing. I'm surprised he's coming, but it's a good thing. This looks like another bad winter. It sucks. Well, don't want this bad weather on my birthday eve. Today is my birthday eve, the day before my birthday. Tomorrow is my birthday so you guys have to be nice to me. You all love the Ravens and the Cardinals as well as the Habs and Coyotes and Suns and Nets, right?

December 11, 2014 @ 10:17 AM

Irv

SO SOWNY is saying David Marsden was actually fired?

December 11, 2014 @ 11:41 AM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

I tweeted a link to an article yesterday with a quote from Marsden confirming he was fired.

David Marsden's show on 94.9The Rock was cancelled "due to the station's evolution". http://t.co/zWOSaX2ikA

— Toronto Mike (@torontomike) December 10, 2014
December 11, 2014 @ 11:51 AM

Irv

Well kudos to the station for letting him have a last show. That doesn't happen often. I have to be honest, I rarely listened. Same with Spirit of Radio Sundays. For whatever reason, even when I like FM radio, I'm just not that inclined to tune in.

December 11, 2014 @ 12:25 PM

Jason from Sudbury

@Toronto Mike: What happened to the thing that said, "Only 94 comments?" I know this is something trivial but I miss that! I got a kick out of it cause for the longest time I never noticed it there till this one time where I replied to an entry and I think it only had 5 comments.

December 11, 2014 @ 2:15 PM

Toronto Mike Verified as the defacto Toronto Mike

@Jason from Sudbury

Okay, I'll bring it back.

December 11, 2014 @ 2:21 PM

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