It's Cold Outside Open Mike

Published by Toronto Mike on January 25, 2013 @ 08:52 in Open Mike

Open MikeThe last time I hosted an Open Mike, it drew the ire of Burkie. Who will I piss off this time?

Let's make this the best Open Mike ever. Rant, rave and/or drool here.

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Mississauga Phil
January 25, 2013 / 09:00

I hear taht Brian Colangelo from the raptors went to a gerbal party with Richard Gere....there ya go Mike...now you have both Brians mad at you

* Please note that the preceeding comment is made by the participant and does not reflect the views of Mike Boon, torontomike.com, or the Toronto Mike's podcast.

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 09:14

Could be a good news/bad news day. The province finally rids itself of the worst Premier ever, but this city might lose its greatest mayor ever.

Say what you will of Ford at least he hasn't cost the taxpayers billions in wasted eff-ups.

Mother Nature
January 25, 2013 / 09:27

I am offended that you said it's cold outside. Are you implying that I want people to get frost bite? This is grounds for a lawsuit. Your papers are being served Michael!

Andrew
January 25, 2013 / 09:43

Howdy Mike, from lovely Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia! The curling is good, the people are nice and we're staying at a nicer version of the Bates Motel.

Looking forward to listening to podcast #22 on the plane home.

Cheers!
Andrew

Toronto Mike
January 25, 2013 / 09:52

@Argie

Well said from many kilometres north of the 416!

Connie
January 25, 2013 / 09:53

I can't stand Liza's voice, the way she speaks grates on me, therefore can't watch that show.

Lorne
January 25, 2013 / 09:59

You want to know the real reason it's so cold outside? You can say you heard it here first.

Jack Frost wasn't replaced because of global warming or arctic air masses. It's because Jack Frost is a bit of a hound, a Tiger Woods you can say.

And Mother Nature certainly plays the field herself. Her marriage to a minor activist in Greenpeace is just a sham.


It didn't take long for those two to hook up. Scandal you say? Yessir.

So splashdown was in December. The winter was going to be warm and mild, and now we have a massive, bitter cold to deal with. The cold front could have been caused by any number of worth candidates, but the lucky weather pattern is none other than our own Jack Frost.

Eventually this may all become public. And you can say you read it here first...

During a tragic time like this, it is important to remember the real victims of such a senseless, needless turn of events.

The Ice Cream vendors.

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 10:00

Mike,

I only want what's best for you city folks.

Lorne
January 25, 2013 / 10:05

@Andrew, cool! Port Hawkesbury was the first Cape Breton stop on my honeymoon. On the main strip, there's a place called A1 Pizza that has a really tasty Donair Pizza:

Google Street View

Mississauga Phil
January 25, 2013 / 10:36

@ Argie- you got your wish...Ford just won the appeal

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 10:40

Finally, reasoning has prevailed. Rob Ford will continue to lead us out of this the mess that Miller created. Maybe now the naysayers will look in the mirror and see what a waste of time and money this witch hunting scandal has created. Today Justice Prevailed.

Andrew
January 25, 2013 / 10:43

@Lorne,

We ate there last night - it was our catering at the rink for lunch and it was outstanding. Never had donair pizza before, but I'd like to have it again. I've been living on real, fresh lobster rolls all week and scallops.

It's a lovely little town, but it rolls up in the winter. Every hotel room is full and places that would normally close up shop for the whole winter are open to welcome everyone here.

6 more draws to go. 3 today 2 tomorrow and the finals on Sunday.

Cheers!
Andrew

Toronto Mike
January 25, 2013 / 10:51

Re: Ford winning his appeal

As always, I fully respect the process.

When his term is up, and we go back to the polls, I'm hoping a better alternative is running and we as a city turf Mr. Ford democratically.

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 10:59

@Mike, Rob Ford is the alternative. We did elect him democratically. I understand that you support solcialist parties as a rule, but what is the main negative that you have against Mr Ford?
The city is better run today than two years ago, you have more disposable income due to Rob Ford than you had two years ago and we will continue to attact business while Rob Ford is in power? I just do not see the negative here.

Toronto Mike
January 25, 2013 / 11:06

@Dave Williams

I realize Rob Ford was elected democratically. I said when his term is up, I hope Toronto votes in someone better.

And your statement I "support solcialist [sic] parties as a rule" is total hogwash. It's not at all true. Provincially, I've voted PC, Liberal and NDP in the past, and federally I've voted Liberal and NDP. Municipally, may I remind you, there are no parties.

And if you really can't see the negative of having Rob Ford in power, I'm not sure I'll ever be able to help you see beyond your blind allegiance.

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 11:15

Thank God common sense prevailed!

I guess Mike and a lot of other people prefer a leader or mayor to be all style with little regard for substance (see Obama) while some others refer substance over style, like Mr. Ford.

Very few politicians possess both - Reagan, Thatcher, Truman being the few.

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 11:17

Mike, no animosity, I would also support a better candidate if there was a better one out there, at this time there is not however.
You did avoid the question though. I am not asking you to change my my on Rob Ford, I am just asking for the main negative that you have against him. I am sure you have not decided keep contributing your tax savings to the city.
Other than his weight that you have mentioned in the past, what is the issue that you do not think he is doing, that he should?
I am interested in the one main point that you feel has been neglected, as this should be open to a healthy mature debate.

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 11:19

@Argie, you should add Mike Harris to that list as well.

Toronto Mike
January 25, 2013 / 11:26

@Dave Williams

If I had to pick one, I'd say it's the fact the mayor of Canada's largest city claimed to be ignorant of the polices and procedures of his office under oath and had demonstrated time and time again to build a constructive consensus with his colleagues at city council.

If this were a job review, I'd say he's not a team player and does not work well with others. I can get past his hatred for the pride parade and bike lanes, but his inability to compromise suggests he shouldn't be mayor.

Oh... and he lies a lot. I'd like a mayor who doesn't lie so much.

Anticipating cease and desist letter from Ford's lawyer in 3... 2... 1...

Sam in Pickering
January 25, 2013 / 11:28

Rob Ford is an idiot. How's that for a reason he lacks the substance a big city mayor needs?

He's dumb and stubborn and Toronto deserves better. I'm sorry he won the appeal.

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 11:30

You're right, Dave. I forgot about Harris.

MAYOR FORD'S LAWYER
January 25, 2013 / 11:36

Mr. Toronto Mike,

You wrote "he lies a lot". Mr. Ford merely lies a little. Delete your remark or we'll file a claim in court.

Sincerely,
Mayor Ford's Lawyer
Dewie, Cheatum & Howe

Lynne
January 25, 2013 / 11:43

Best tweet of the day so far:

Rob Ford sees his shadow. Two more years of winter.

519 Rob
January 25, 2013 / 11:49

@Andrew
Are you competing out East, or just a spectator?
My 'boss' is out there playing right now. He is on Team Rumfeldt (spelling?).

Liz
January 25, 2013 / 11:50

Why is Smithershit weighing in on the Ford victory? He is one super angry dude. Please just go away and take Sarah "WTF Have I Done to My Hair" Thompson with you.

Has Roger Federer jumped the shark? I love watching that guy play so it pains me to think that his best days may be behind him.

The Leafs are actually off to a good start this year - how long will it last? And Cheryl, before you copy and paste your usual tired missive, it was great to see the Leafs hand the Habs a tidy loss the other night.

A follow-up note to those who were kind enough to offer excellent advice re: my son's computer. We dug deep and went the Mac route and I have to say it was the absolute best choice. The capabilities far and away exceed what a PC is capable of. Yes it was a pricey option but one that is proving to be worth it. Thanks again for the help and feedback.

Hey Mike - heard you discussing the Burke predicament with H&F - you were nice and fiesty which made for a good interview. It was played again on the AM820 show last night.

And @Derrick, my observation stands from last week. Spending your days sending out letters such as the one Mike rec'd indeed makes the west-coast based LLB a d-bag. A waste of many years of so-called education.

Dawn Keibals
January 25, 2013 / 11:52

It is so cold outside I just seen Brian Burke's lawyer with his hands in his own pockets.
Kaboom..Try the veal..

Pete McPhedran
January 25, 2013 / 11:53

Best tweet of the day so far:

BREAKING: A three-judge panel has overturned a ruling against Mayor Rob Ford. Ford will remain in office.

That shadow one was pretty funny though.

--Pete

Toronto Mike
January 25, 2013 / 11:58

@Liz

I'm a big Roger Federer. It's amazing he's still this good at his age. He's still a top 3 guy, IMHO.

When it was 3-1 Leafs after one period last night, I was thinking the same thing... nice start for our boys in blue. But when the wheels fell off, I realized we're 2-2 and can't seem to win at home. We're going to have to win at home to make the playoffs.

Thanks for telling me my interview was on terrestrial radio last night. I don't have a good sense as to what parts of the H+F podcast make terrestrial radio. Was I on 1010 last night? I think 1010 uses the same content as 820.

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 12:03

Mike, Rob Ford was elected because he rebelled against the free spending that he witnessed for the 10 years that he was a councellor. The population voted for him with the greatest number of votes for one person in Canadian History because of the abuse and liberties that our city government took with OUR money for years.
If you wanted him to be chummy with council and give in to whatever they wanted, we would just have an extension of the Miller regime.
Sometimes stepping out of the box may seem radical, but not all change is easy for some to comprehend.
What people expect out of government is results and with results come better conditions for people to live within a cities borders. After two years everyone in our city has benfitted from Rob Ford`s policies. If you can dispute how having more disposible income impacts you in a negative way, without any services being comprimised, you will gladly have my vote to the best qulified candidate in the next election.

Glen
January 25, 2013 / 12:05

A story in todays National Post explains how another Ontario reserve has mismanaged it's funds and is now bankrupt.

The former chief of the Gull Bay First Nations Reserve threw 2 Christmas parties and a New Years Party at the same time their only school was closing.

What's telling is the current chief doesn't even live on the reserve but instead has a home in near by Thunder Bay.


Here's the aricle:

http://goo.gl/kL7AL


Maybe instead of protesting Ezra Levant the "Idol No More" movement needs to reexamine the whole reserve system. It doesn't work for the ordinary native person. Only for those in power.

Matt
January 25, 2013 / 12:11

@Liz Adam Vaughn will be worse.

Matt
January 25, 2013 / 12:14

@Liz It's pretty obvious why Smitherman is weighing in. He's a super nice guy and would be a great mayor. We should all vote Smitherman. He would do a much better job than Ford. Health scandals be damned!

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 12:21

Strong post, Liz.

As for RF, I'm afraid he is done - at least as a dominant player. He might have one more grand slam in him but all of the stars would have to line up nicely for him.

He and Sampras will go down as 2 of the best of all time. Enjoy the memories because that's all she wrote for Rog. He's a true champion though.

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 12:25

I must refrain from posting about Slither-man. Our host Mike doesn't need another pack of sharks, err I mean lawyers going after him.

Mississauga Phil
January 25, 2013 / 12:38

I've never once seen mike attack Rob based on his weight. Sure he's poseted a couple of funny pictures, but when it comes down to a debate, Mike has always led with the man's ignorance, tendancy to be a blow hard, and his clear beleif that he is above the rules that the rest of us must follow.

Has Ford done some good? Yes of course he has, I don't think even Mike would deny that, but the man is his own worst enemy.

And since we're asking for defence of positions... could one of your Ford Supporters please defend Rob ford having commuters kicked off a TTC bus so that said bus could go pick up Rob's football team....

Ultimatley, I'm with Mike on this one...the voters will get their say in the next election.

4x4 Time
January 25, 2013 / 12:47

Just back from 4 beautiful days of meetings in St. Simons Island. I have worked with our American friends for years and travel often in the US, but I could just not believe the interest, hype and talk about Manti Te'o. I mean every meal conversation this dude was part of it.The media is obsessed with it. What am I missing, I just don't get it....

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 12:50

Phil, if you took the time to read beyond the headline, you would have discovered that Rob Ford did not order a city bus, the police did. The coach of the other team confronted the referee and caused the incident that dictated the police taking action.
If anything the man`s worst enemy is the Toronto Star, the sad thing is that people live and die on what the Star churns out.
The funny thing here is that the people do not back Ford and what he is trying to achieve, really do not know why they are against him, maybe they are those types that just need to fell like they are part of something.
Ultimatley, the votes had their say in the last election.

Mississauga Phil
January 25, 2013 / 12:59

Dave - if you took the time to listen to someone besides Ford, you'd know that Toronto Police said they had nothing to do with the decision to hyjack the bus...they took their orders from the Mayors office...

Oh, and I hate the Toronto Star...in no small part due to how they have treated the Mayor...no matter what Ford has or has not done, the witchunt they set on him was unexcusable.

I am not some left wing nut who hates Ford for being a conservative...I just think Rob Ford follows his own adgenda...just like all the politicians he bashes..

Mississauga Phil
January 25, 2013 / 12:59

Dave - if you took the time to listen to someone besides Ford, you'd know that Toronto Police said they had nothing to do with the decision to hyjack the bus...they took their orders from the Mayors office...

Oh, and I hate the Toronto Star...in no small part due to how they have treated the Mayor...no matter what Ford has or has not done, the witchunt they set on him was unexcusable.

I am not some left wing nut who hates Ford for being a conservative...I just think Rob Ford follows his own adgenda...just like all the politicians he bashes..

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 13:00

OK, here's my controversial politically incorrect post of the week:

This weekend, the provincial Liberals are choosing their new leader and Premier. Its between Sandra Pupatellol and Kathleen Wynn. I'm exciting at the prospect of Ontario having its first female Premier. That's of course, if Sandra wins - if Kathleen wins, it will just be another one for the old boys club......

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 13:09

"I just think Rob Ford follows his own adgenda"

Phil,

Isn't that what you want your politician to do? He has tried to follow through on the promises he made when he campaigned. I realize he's screwed up up a bit as mayor but cutting staff, expenses and taxes were his promises. He's done most of that.

I don't want a politician who gives in to the opposition. I want a leader who does what he said he would do.

Your buddy Obama is doing just that. He will follow through on being ultra left wing during the next 4 years. In his first term, he was fairly moderate but if I'm a clueless liberal who voted of him, I want him to be as left as possible.

Therefore, conservatives want Ford to be as conservative as possible. PM Harper needs to be way more conservative. He has a majority and yet still panders to liberal interests. This whole idea of "consensus building" is nonsense. A leader leads, he doesn't go with the popular choice.

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 13:13

Phil, he is following the agenda that he ran on and was voted in on. The meat of the agenda was to manage our TAX Dollars responsibly, I have not read or seen any evidence that he has broken that promise. Again, I am sure your life financially is better than it was two years ago due to Rob Ford`s agenda. I suppose we should say shame on him for going against the grain and actually dealing with the issues he was elected on repairing.
I do agree that the Star`s witchhunt is and was deplorable. Lets give this man the next two years to continue to rebuild the city and let the results speak for him.

Argie, that comment may have the LGBT lawyers sending a cease and desist letter to Mike.....lol

The Best of Toronto’s Insane, Terrible Mayor Rob Ford
January 25, 2013 / 13:21

Fellow American: have you heard of Rob Ford, portly Canadian football fan and Mayor of Toronto, Canada's version of New York City? If not, you are missing out — and you better get on the Ford bandwagon soon because he might not be Mayor for much longer.

Back in November, Ford had been automatically expelled from office after a justice ruled that he'd illegally voted to let himself off the hook over improperly solicited lobbyist donations to a football charity he'd started. This morning, Ford won his appeal meaning he will stay on as mayor, at least over the weekend. Next week, an independent audit of his campaign finances will be released; if it goes poorly for Ford he could be removed, again.

And while Ford's removal from office would be good for Toronto, it would be terrible for the rest of us. Because without Rob Ford, we wouldn't have these Rob Ford quotes:

Rob Ford on...

...public health:

"If you are not doing needles and you are not gay, you wouldn't get AIDS probably, that's bottom line... those are the facts."

...urban planning:

"What I compare bike lanes to is swimming with the sharks. Sooner or later you're going to get bitten... Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day."

...immigration:

"Those Oriental people work like dogs. They work their hearts out. They are workers non-stop. They sleep beside their machines. That's why they're successful in life. I went to Seoul, South Korea, I went to Taipei, Taiwan. I went to Tokyo, Japan. That's why these people are so hard workers [sic]. I'm telling you, the Oriental people, they're slowly taking over."

...diversity:

"I don't understand. Number one, I don't understand a transgender. I don't understand. Is it a guy dressed up like a girl, or a girl dressed up like a guy? And we're funding this for -– I don't know, what does it say here –- we're giving them $3,210?"

...procuring Oxycontin:

"I'll try, buddy, I'll try. I don't know this shit [Oxycontin], but I'll fucking try to find it. Why don't you go on the street and score it? Fuck, you know, I don't know any drug dealers at all."

...being asked to be quiet at a Maple Leafs game:

"Are you some kind of right-wing commie bastard?... Do you want your little wife to go over to Iran and get raped and shot?... Green party fucking rules."

Cheryl
January 25, 2013 / 13:34

Sure, my Habs lost to the Leafs, but hey, they won the next two games. My Habs won last night and the Leafs lost. That's great. My Suns won last night as well.

Anyway, Smitherman is way better than Ford. He should become Mayor. Too bad Ford had to win that appeal. That was awful. I wish he would have been kicked out of office.

Blind Dave
January 25, 2013 / 13:42

Well, here on the prairies we are still a little nippy. It's -20 with a -30 wind chill.

I'm usually fairly tolerant of winter, but I have to admit it's starting to wear on me.

I see the Leafs came crashing back to earth last night. Cancel the parade.

Mike: I'll try to find the H&F interview. I'd love to hear what you have to say.

Toronto Mike
January 25, 2013 / 13:53

Here's my appearance on Humble and Fred (I'm in the first 10 minutes): http://handf.corefusion.net/january-24-2013.mp3

Here's my latest podcast in which I talk a lot about Brian Burke: http://torontomike.podcastaccelerator.com/22-january-23-2013.mp3

Missisasuga Phil
January 25, 2013 / 13:55

@ Argie - a leader who doesn't have the support of those he leads, won't be in power for long. Part of being a good leader is listening to people who know more on a subject than you do...and no, borther Doug doesn't count....

4x4 Time
January 25, 2013 / 14:18

I do not live in TO but it is hard not to follow the cities politics. I think the bigger problem than Rob Ford are councillors like Perks, Vaughn, Layton, Fletcher etc. that when you hear them speak or comment they criticize everything and take great offence when they get questioned.

Andrew
January 25, 2013 / 14:29

@519 Rob,

I'm out here working on the TV side for SportsNet. I am the sound engineer for the production. Your boss' team is not doing so well... 0-4 so far.

Cheers!
Andrew

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 14:32

Phil, it is apparent that you have no idea what leadership is about. Leadership is politics is sticking to a platform that you were elected on. Rob Ford was not a favorite councellor, because his lack of popularity amongst his peers due his strong stand for the taxpayer. Does that mean he should not run for mayor because most elected councellors took liberties with our money. The fact is he was elected on a mandate and has stuck to it. It is a refreshing to see someone stick to what the majority of the voting public wants. That my friend is leadership.

Corey
January 25, 2013 / 15:09

Adam Chaleff-Freudenthaler must be beating his teddy bear severly right about now.

Dave Williams
January 25, 2013 / 15:23

Most 28 yr old students usually go by the term doctor, the rest call themselves Adam Chaleff-Freudenthaler.

dizi izle
January 25, 2013 / 16:16

So many lawsuits in this Open Mike!

Sammy
January 25, 2013 / 16:23

I listened to the Humble and Fred podcast today to see how it sounds like that it's on regular radio.

It's tamer and less edgy which is no surprise. Regular radio is tamer and less edgy.

What bothered me was the hypocrisy. Fred is always saying leftys jump on Rob Ford for being fat. This is his go-to mantra. Liberals hate Rob Ford because he's fat.

But today on the show all I heard was how Rob Ford had given up and should just eat buffets from now on because he looks fatter than ever. It was a long bit about Rob Ford's appearance from the guy who claims (falsely) that the only criticism of him is that he's overweight.

Such hypocrisy! And sorry guys but you are short changing the podcast listners to satisfy Astral. Shorter, tamer, less edgy episodes with missing content.

Speysidephil
January 25, 2013 / 16:57

Thanks mike for my laugh of the day.
You comment that you are not socialist, yet federally you vote just that way (liberal and NDP).
And if you don't believe the Libs are socialist just ask Justin.

Toronto Mike
January 25, 2013 / 17:04

@ Speysidephil

I don't think there's a term more widely misused than socialism. It's tossed around as thoroughly negative and used inappropriately all over the place.

But nobody considers the Liberal Party of Canada a socialist party, unless they're using "socialism" as a synonym for "liberalism".

Corey
January 25, 2013 / 17:55

The Stars editorial titled "Chief Theresa Spence can end hunger strike with head high" was a real eye roller. When they can't garner a single comment on their own website supporting their view, that should tell you how out of touch that rag really is.
I see she spent the night in the hospital to recover from her "hunger strike". I'd love to get a peek at that medical report.

Cheryl
January 25, 2013 / 18:11

Well, no Habs tomorrow night. I won't get my Saturday night hockey. I wonder why no Habs tomorrow night. Oh well, they play on Sunday and they will win.

Argie
January 25, 2013 / 19:35

Corey,

Once her doctor looks over her medical chart, his only suggestion to her will be diet and exercise.

Blind Dave
January 25, 2013 / 19:41

Soup, my ass.

How much fast food were they sneaking to her on her "hunger strike"?

Where is Fake Cheryl?
January 25, 2013 / 21:11

I liked her comments. She sounded good. I wish she would post again. I don't like the Habs. Hope they lose. Baseball is great. Hockey is so boring. Rob Ford is the best! My trainer is taking me to Disney World tomorrow. Is it warm in Florida?

Liz
January 25, 2013 / 21:16

@Argie

You're unfortunately right about Federer - got home this afternoon and The Kid was watching the fifth set of the match where Murray won. Let me just say Murray's 'outfit' was too f'ing tight in all the wrong places - eeewwww. Murray's super creepy mom really needs to relax. But sadly, today he was the guy who won more points.

@Sammy

You made some points I want to address - especially where you talk about the H&F podcast. But I am too tired to do a decent job. Unfortunately for everyone, I will be back!

Here comes the weekend!

Rick C in Oakville
January 25, 2013 / 21:49

After spending 2+ hours going from South west mississauga to Humber College to pick up my daughter tonight, maybe it's time to follow Quebec's lead and vote in a Soverign..., whoops got distracted from the stress of driving, Mandatory snow tires. Damn ricers and mini vans with less traction than a pair of crocks on glare ice.

dale
January 25, 2013 / 22:50

I would rather have this weather than +30C & high humidity anytime. Still love seasons, but my best temps. in the Spring & Autumn.

Cheryl
January 26, 2013 / 08:09

At least when it's hot I don't have to worry about people getting stuck in the snow or slippery sidewalks where the city doesn't shovel. Oh well, no habs tonight, but my coyotes play tonight so hopefully they win. My trainer is not taking me to Dizney World by the way. He never said he was. You guys just made that up.

Toronto Mike
January 26, 2013 / 09:17

So this happened last night. The guy won $75,000 for hitting the shot but I love LeBron's reaction.

Toronto Mike
January 26, 2013 / 09:28

@Liz

I'm interested in what you think of what @Sammy wrote....

Corey
January 26, 2013 / 09:36

So I see Clayton Ruby is not willing to step out of the spotlight yet, and is planning an appeal to the Supreme Court on this Rob Ford thing.

I'm fairly neutral on Ford as a suitable Mayor for Toronto - I don't care that much either way, but I am glad he kept his job, only because I found the whole attempt slimy and distasteful. The fact that the attempted ouster was driven by a spiteful little prick who hid in the shadows obsessively tracking Ford's every move because he couldn't stand the fact Ford got elected really galled me.

The National Post's Kelly McParland really nailed it for me. Toronto Mike, I'd like for you to read it and comment.

Toronto Mike
January 26, 2013 / 09:51

@Corey

Am I the only one left who remembers this had absolutely nothing to do with $3,150?

Corey
January 26, 2013 / 10:25

@ Mike -
"The crime he was accused of – and which has now been wisely struck down by Superior Court – involved an ill-advised decision to cast a vote on a matter in which he had a personal (though, as the court ruled Friday, not have a pecuniary) interest."

No ones saying it was about the $3000, but theres no denying that was the catalyst - a petty one at that, which even the council recognized.

Lets put it this way: if chaleff-freudenthaler hadn't noticed this "infraction" and you did, would you have cared enough to pursue it? Doubt anyone else would have, which supports my view that this whole waste of time was driven by petty vindictiveness by a wiener who found himself on the outside once Ford was elected.

Toronto Mike
January 26, 2013 / 10:30

@ Corey

It's funny you see it that way. I see a mayor who refused to not only read the rules but attend the convenient seminars held for new members of council. He remained blissfully ignorant, broke an important rule, and got caught.

He won the appeal on a technicality. Good for him. That's the process.

Maybe next time he'll think twice before violating the conflict of interest act. That benefits us all.

Dawn Keibals
January 26, 2013 / 10:47

I just don't understand all the coverage of the Liebral leadership convention.
The lieberal party in Ontario is dead for the next 20 years.

Corey
January 26, 2013 / 11:08

@ Mike - he didn't get off on a "technicality", he got off because everything that lead up to the conflict-of-interest vote was nullified. What council had tried to do when they attempted to force him to repay the donations was basically illegal. So why aren't you outraged at them for attempting to discredit the Mayor via illegal political maneuvering? Why aren't you outraged that the rest of City Council were "blissfully ignorant" regarding the extent of their power?
They say Ford is partisan and stubborn, but it seems to me that since he was elected, they've focused on attempting to remove him rather than support the mandate given to him by 47% of voters.

Toronto Mike
January 26, 2013 / 11:14

@Corey

I can't do the Ford thing... I just can't do it. It exhausts me.

Topics I can't discuss anymore, because people are steadfast in their beliefs and the circular loop never ends:

Religion
Flu Shots
Rob Ford

I believe religion is bullshit, flu shots are good for you and Rob Ford is an awful mayor. If you disagree with any of that, no logic / reason / science / facts will persuade you.

Off to my son's hockey game.... peace and love to all.

Dave Williams
January 26, 2013 / 11:16

@Toronto Mike; for the past two years having Rob Ford as Mayor has benifited us all. Sure the man is not perfect, but who is? He ran for mayor at a time when the city needed a strong stubborn force to guide us in the right direction and clearly his policies are working.
Mike if you could put your personal feelings aside on the man, and look at what has been accomplished and what the goals are, you would have no choice but to vote for Ford in the next election.

Corey
January 26, 2013 / 12:47

@Mike - I get it. It can be exhausting. So my final word on the subject is to point out that this debate is NOT about whether Rob Ford is a terrible mayor or not. I'm merely pointing out that the "process" you admire was flawed, and originated from less then honorable intentions. City Council is dysfunctional, Ford opponents on council are so blinded by their hatred for the guy that they tried to hijack the democratic process to have him removed. This is clear, and not debatable in light of the judgement passed by the Superior Court yesterday. I believe that the people like yourself feel so strongly about Ford's "awfulness" that they are willing to overlook and even endorse these shenanigans just to get the guy turfed, when there's no way they would support similar actions if it was "their" guy in office.

Matt
January 26, 2013 / 13:51

@Corey

Thanks for posting that, it is a great article.

4x4 Time
January 26, 2013 / 19:42

@Corey...Nailed it dude...

Mississauga Phil
January 26, 2013 / 19:46

@Corey - I agree with you completely. I am the farthest thing from a Ford supporter. However, he was the best of a bad lot. God forbid Toronto got stuck with Smitherman (sorry Cheryl). I think he has benn a sub par mayor, but the way that certain people tried to get him out of office is deplorable. I'd rather see him booted honestly in the next election.

Rick C in Oakville
January 26, 2013 / 19:52

x2 on Corey's comments. The left was just use to their people pulling the strings.

Suburb Steve
January 26, 2013 / 23:25

It's interesting that Rob Ford is accused of being uncompromising or stubborn. However,
When he was one of the few to tell council that the shark fin ban was illegal and voted against it, all were to quick to jump all over him.
Guess what? Courts overturned councils vote.
http://www.torontolife.com/daily/daily-dish/pantry-raid/2012/12/03/shark-fin-ban-overturned/

When Rob Ford told council they could not ban plastic bags and voted against it the majority of council refused to listen and the ban was to take effect. Guess what? With lawsuits pending, council then decided to over rule the ban except for 7 councilors who would rather have the city pay for a law suit they could not win rather then agree with Torontos elected Mayor.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/28/toronto-plastic-bag-ban-delayed-until-lawsuits-settled/

Most recently Ford had his lawyer argued to the appeal court that council had no right to even vote on whether or not he should pay back the $3000. So his vote nor anyone else on councils vote was legal.
Guess what?
He was right again. The appeal court overturned the judges ruling. Mayor Ford remains. Time for all on council to review the rules, put their personal bias aside and represent their constiuents as they were elected to do.


Just sayin'

Sharal
January 27, 2013 / 05:30

My suns lost last night,my coyotes lost last night.I hate baseball it is so boring.Grocery gateway got my order wrong again.Why didn't George Smitherman run for premier last night I would of voted for him,he would be a good premier.

Dave Williams
January 27, 2013 / 07:29

@Sharal, Ontario cannot afford to have curious George as Permier. Leta hope we as a Province never have to deal with his type again.
@Mike, lets allow Ford to do what he was elected for for the next two years and let the results dictate if he is worthy of a second term. He has not let the city down so far.

Cheryl
January 27, 2013 / 08:07

So someone else was posting as me. Lovely. Yes, my Suns and Coyotes both lost. It was a bad night. Well, my Habs will win tonight and my Suns will win tonight. George Smitherman would really make a good premier. I wish he was running. He should have won as Mayor. You guys just don't know him. He's a good guy. He's a very nice guy. Now he is just taking it easy because he's not Mayor or Premier. You have to meet George Smitherman and then you will believe all this.

mississauga phil
January 27, 2013 / 08:34

@cheryl- what about all of the taxpayers money that smitherman gave to his friends? He stole our money...does that sound like a nice man to you?

CQ
January 27, 2013 / 10:13

Cheryl.
If you are reading these comments with audio, the 5:30 a.m. commenter used a different text spelling which sounds the very same.

Andrew
January 27, 2013 / 10:31

Hospitality has been outstanding in Port Hawkesbury, NS, but it's time to go home. One last draw today on SportsNet - the final between Team Stoughton and Team McEwen. An all Manitoba final. Could very well be preview of the provincial finals. If you're a curling fan it should be a great match.

15 days away from home - it's time to go home. As the great Spirit of the West once said..

"I've been gone for a month, I've been drunk since I've left."

Cheers!
Andrew

Tim
January 27, 2013 / 10:45

I went to the Raptors game last night. What a fun night. Great entertainment during breaks. Loud and full of people ( not rich suits) having a great time. The leafs could learn a few things about putting on a show

Dave Williams
January 27, 2013 / 12:05

@Phil, hell must have frozen over, we finally agree on something.
@Cheryl, how does meeting Smitherman change his track record? Maybe he has blinded you, I hope he is not your investment advisor.

Mississauga Phil
January 27, 2013 / 13:00

Dave- we've agreed on more than one occasion, and I'm fine with people disagrreing with me. Life would get pretty boring if we all thought the same.

My only major issue was with you using the death of 18 children as a platform to bring up the pot debate again. No one was talking about it, we were all just mortified that such a thing could happen...and like a piece of trash you thought "hey this sounds like a good time to take a dig at this again"...

That was classless...

Dave Williams
January 27, 2013 / 13:08

@Phil, moving on from the pot debate, there is a reason it is not accepted in society, lets leave it at that.
My question to you is, if you do not like Smitherman for his abuse with our tax dollars, what is wrong for liking what is right with Rob Ford for being responsible with our tax dollars?

Cheryl
January 28, 2013 / 09:38

Speaking of curling, my trainer curls next week in the Provincials. Guess you're going to that, are you, Andrew?

My Habs won last night, but not my Suns. They lost.

Well, George Smitherman is a nice easy going guy and he tries his best. People make mistakes. My trainer voted for him as well. We both voted for him.

Argie
January 28, 2013 / 09:58

I was flipping channels the other night and women's curling came on. So I turned to my wife and said sarcastically, "oh great, women's curling!". She then reminded me "how much worse can women's curling be than men's curling?" I figured good point.

Mississauga Phil
January 28, 2013 / 11:31

@ Dave - Nothing at all. As I have said amny times, Rob Ford's fiscal responsibility isn't my issue with him. It's the other crap that comes with it...the man is his own worst enemy.

@ Cheryl - Giving millions of our dollars to line the pockets of his friends and business parteners is more than just a "mistake"..it is a crime for which I hope he one day pays....I'm sure Mr. Smitherman was very nice to you, but that doesn't change the fact that the man is a liar and a theif.

Andrew
January 28, 2013 / 13:53

@Cheryl - Yes, I will be in Barrie, Ontario covering the men's provincial finals for SNET.

@Argie - It depends. I've watched a lot of shitty men's and women's curling, but overall, the men's game is a lot better than the women's because of strength. The women just can't throw the same weight that the men can to clean out the house, so their game is a little more toned down. I get that curling is not everyone's cup of tea - hell, I've never thrown a rock in my life, but I have covered it for TV since 2007 and from an audio standpoint it's my favourite thing to mix.

Cheers,
Andrew

Dave Williams
January 28, 2013 / 14:09

@Phil, I am sure if the Toronto Star wanted to dissect David Millar, they would have found more issues with him than Rob Ford ever had.
The difference between Rob Ford and David Millar, is that one is a leader and one was a follower.

@ Andrew what type of speaker should I consider a low end Ayon Audio or a mid level PMC?

Mississauga Phil
January 28, 2013 / 14:17

@ Dave - I've already expressed my disdain for the Star.

However, the Star did not make Rob Ford drink and drive, the star did not make Rob for say inappropriate things to people at the ACC, the Star did not make Rob Ford say stupid things like a cyclist getting hit bay a car is their own fault, the Star did not order police to reroute a TTC bus to pick up his football team....Rob Ford said and did these things and should be held accoutnable for them.

I am gald he won in court last week...the way certain people tried to get him out of office is bogus, but can you actually defend the issues I raised here, or will you just skrit the issue...again??

Andrew
January 28, 2013 / 15:24

@ Dave,

Email Mike and get him to forward my email to you. We can chat that way.

Cheers,
Andrew

Dawn Kiebals
January 28, 2013 / 16:31

@Cheyl Please what is the name of your trainers curling team?
I would like to know so I may call my financial consultant Ricco and place some tokens with them along with the Phoenix High School basketball team . Granmama needs new boots.

Cheryl
January 28, 2013 / 20:23

Well, my trainer voted for George Smitherman as well. Don, I don't know if I should tell you the name of my trainer's curling team. You'll make fun of them like you do my Suns. Well, one little hint, it starts with P. That's all I'm giving you.

Rick C in Oakville
January 28, 2013 / 20:57

Starting to think all city staff (and not just in Toronto)are just a bunch of paper pushers, not wanting to provide the customer support level I am used to giving to my company's clients. This will sound petty but here it is. We get 2 Fridays to toss out our Christmas trees for collection. I was away for the first, but the calendar shows Jan 25th for the second. Last Thursday put out the tree, come home Friday my tree (and the neighbours) are still sitting out. Email Accesshalton and get this cute little questionnaire sent so they can open an investigation:
Thank you for your email regarding your missed Christmas tree collection. In order for us to investigate why this has occurred please respond to this email by supplying us with the following information.

Complete Address: (street address, town or city and postal code)

When did you place the Christmas tree at the curb (date and time)?

Was your Christmas tree free of decorations, tinsel, plastic tarp, etc.?

Was anything blocking the collection crew’s view of your Christmas tree (snow bank, parked vehicle, construction, etc.)?

Did the collection crew place a sticker on your materials, indicating why it was not collected?

Thank you in advance for supplying with the additional information. Your assistance will help us rectify and prevent this matter from happening again.

If you have further inquiries, please feel free to contact us again.

I had given them my address and the neighbours in the original email. Just send the truck to pick them up, probably would take less time than composing the email for an investigation.
Petty rant off.

Mississauga Phil
January 29, 2013 / 08:12

@ Rick - It's not petty to expect the service our cities promise for the taxes we pay...

Dave Williams
January 29, 2013 / 08:39

@Phil, sure Rob Ford made some statements that were blown up by the press. Other hsitorical successful polititians have commited the same offence. The public supports these people, because they do the job they were elected for. Ronald Reagan, and Mike Harris are recent examples that were not necessarily like for their personal statements, but did very credible jobs publically. In the last 20 years we have not had a polititian in Toronto protect the taxpayer as Rob Ford has done.
Also, if stating questionalble comments publically was a sign of a poor work ethic, we may be both out of a job.

Cheryl
January 29, 2013 / 09:28

Well, good thing I don't have a Christmas tree to worry about. That's poor customer service indeed. Way to solve the problem is don't buy a tree or if you really want a tree, get an artificial one and you can use it over and over again not having to throw it away. Great win for my coyotes last night 4 to 0 over Nashville.

Mississauga Phil
January 29, 2013 / 11:04

@ Dave - There's a difference between making questionable statements, and asking a man at Leafs game if he wants his wife raped...and what about the drunk driving?? What about the misuse of the TTC?? I'm not questioning Rob Ford's work ethic...I'm questioning his judgement, and I am fully within my rights to do so as Rob Ford has shown many lapses in judgement.

Fiscal responsibility (which I will grant you Rob Ford has shown for the most part)is not the only part of being a Mayor. He is also the representative of Toronto, and he has become a joke on a global (or at least contenenat wide)stage. People in New York LA, Vancouver, pretty much every other major city in North America, laugh at our idiot of a mayor. And they laugh at us for being stupid enough to elect him.

I agree that there weren't any better options, and we'd be much worse off if Smitherman or Vaughan had won, but the fact remains that Rob For is an embarassment to Toronto, being the best of a bad bunch does not make him a great mayor.

CQ
January 29, 2013 / 11:40

@Rick C in Oakville (jan 28)
There's the Hamilton paving story. They noticed decrepancies in the road repair department's work orders. 31 CUPE employees were geo-tracked; 29 got fired, the other two fessed up and took a suspension.

Corey
January 29, 2013 / 17:38

@ Phil -

" People in New York LA, Vancouver, pretty much every other major city in North America, laugh at our idiot of a mayor. And they laugh at us for being stupid enough to elect him."

Really Phil? Seriously? Be honest now, without Google, can you tell me who the Mayor of Los Angeles is? Who is the Mayor of Dallas? What do you know about the Mayor of Philadelphia? I couldn't tell you the name of Vancouver's Mayor without looking it up, but you're going to tell me citizens of every major city of North America are following the exploits of Rob Ford? Please. You're "Mississauga Phil" but you've just managed to reinforce the notion that Torontonians think they live in the centre of the universe. Trust me, beyond the GTA , most people don't pay that much attention. And in the US, most couldn't find Toronto on a map. You needn't worry about being laughed at.

Dave Williams
January 29, 2013 / 19:15

@Phil, I have to agree with Corey on this, people outside of Toronto do not pay attention to the city let alone the mayor.
Remember that when Ronald Reagan was elected, certain types laughed at his track record, today he is remembered as someone who changed his country and the continent for the better and is the measuring stick for all polititians today.
Rob Ford will be remembered in a similar way.

Mississauga Phil
January 30, 2013 / 08:34

@ Corey and Dave - For two guys who accuse Mike of hating Ford no matter what he does, you sure do go just as far the opposite way.

I've asked 3 or 4 times for you to defend Rob Ford's actions, and you don't, you just skirt the issue. THe man has been caught drinking and driving,and he's lucky he didn't kill someone...do you really think the time he was caught is the only time he did it, cause I sure dont'. I asked you to defend things like saying people who ride bikes in toronto deserve to get hit by cars, and you just skirt the issue....

You keep talking about his fiscal responsibility, I don't argue that, but please what about the rest of his actions....

Corey
January 30, 2013 / 09:14

@Phil -

Huh? Where did I indicate I support Ford? I only commented on your silly assertation that the rest of North America is laughing at Toronto. That hardly makes me a Ford fan.

Dave Williams
January 30, 2013 / 09:19

@Phil, what you are trying to say is you want the perfect civilian that has no business sense to become mayor of the city? Get a grip. The man is not perfect outside of politics and he may not be perfect inside of politics, but he is one of the few that has tried to manage our money in a way that is not abusive to the taxpayer. Do I like that he has driven under the influence? That is a silly question. Is the mayor a loose cannon in some instances? Sure he is. He also never stated that anyone deserves to die by riding bikes, he did state that the odds of someone getting hit riding a bike are high as the cities roads were not built for bicycles, but for cars , trucks and buses. I cannot say I agree with every personal rant that the man has, far from it, but I did not vote for him because of his personal beliefs, I voted for him to manage the city.
As a mayor, he has done exactly what WE elected him to do.
Now, if Oliva Chow runs for mayor, her track record of spending abuse and personal gain from the system dates back to when she was a councillor and with her husband lived in a subsidized government property while making over $200,000 combined from taxpayers as representitives of our city.
I will take Rob Fords integrity any day over hers and others who have used our tax dollars as their personal ATM's for decades.

Mississauga Phil
January 30, 2013 / 09:58

@ Corey - I stand corrected

@ Dave - Um...no his exact words were "Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks, not for people on bikes. My heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day."

So you'd prefer we were more like Beiging where it's so smoggy from drivers that a warehouse burned for 3 hours before somebody noticed it was on fire.....

...I wonder how much you'd support Ford if he hit someone you know with his car while they were biking and he was dirnking....

Dave Williams
January 30, 2013 / 10:31

@Phil, if you are insinuating that he is a cronic imparied driver, you may cause Mike to get another cease and desist letter from Ford's laywer.
Phil, you are stretching with all of your assumptions.
I honestly do not think that your heart bleeds for the killed cyclists. Without the aid of google I am sure you would not even beable to recite a single name of a killed cyclist.
For the record, I would like to know who you feel should run for mayor in the next election and why you are making that choice.

Cheryl
January 30, 2013 / 11:01

How about those Habs. They won last night. That's a great thing. The Leafs won though unfortunately.

Corey
January 30, 2013 / 11:10

Yup, at the risk of sounding like I'm on the Ford hit-parade, I have to side with Dave on the debate with Mississauga Phil. Phil, you've basically shown your hand when you make a statement like this,"...do you really think the time he was caught is the only time he did it, cause I sure dont'." You're bringing up a 14 year old incident, when the guy wasn't even a city councillor, let alone Mayor. He completed the terms of his sentence, and although there hasn't been a DUI incident before or after that, you're convinced he's a repeat offender because... I guess because he's Rob Ford and you don't like him. That one statement alone is enough to show your bias - it has absolutely no bearing on his performance as Mayor, but you continually reference it. You interpret Ford's quote on cyclists as, "...people who ride bikes in toronto deserve to get hit by cars.". That statement could just as easily been interpreted as, "Toronto's streets can be a dangerous place for cyclists. The roads weren't built to consider them. Cyclists make their own decision to ride on streets alongside cars, buses and trucks that weren't designed for cyclists." Is Ford an eloquent speaker? Absolutely not. Did he say or even infer that cyclists "deserve" to be hit by cars. Not by a long stretch. Again, making statements like that really shows you have a bias against the guy from the get go.

Toronto Mike
January 30, 2013 / 11:15

I'm happy to start collecting cease and desist letters. I'd like to wallpaper my wall with them.


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